HARRY:
> > But i was wondering how does everybody knows what he has on his
> > bookshelves?
>
> Simple. I make a photo of it and put it on the web at:
> http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/dekast.jpg
Same for me, except that I have to rely on others to do it on my behalf:
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/gr-kkcbl.jpg
> 8-)
Ditto.
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V99 #148
Message 1 -
1999-09-01 at 10:09:23
Arthur Faria Jr.
Shout out to Brazil !
Message 2 -
1999-09-02 at 06:13:34
Michael Naiman wrote:
<< Any Brazilian members see a copy of "Guardians of the Lost Library" in
their native language?
I "need" a copy desparately!>>
I'm not up-to-date about Duck stories published in
Brazil in the last two years, but I'm almost sure that
this story was not published here. I know only 12 (!)
Don Rosa-stories published by Abril
Jovem (Brazilian Disney Publisher) in Portuguese until
now, and their codes are:
AR 109, AR 110, AR 130, AR 143
D 90147, D 90314, D 90345, D 91071, D 91076
H 87112, H 89178
KDO 190
Isn't it a shame?!? :-(
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<< Any Brazilian members see a copy of "Guardians of the Lost Library" in
their native language?
I "need" a copy desparately!>>
I'm not up-to-date about Duck stories published in
Brazil in the last two years, but I'm almost sure that
this story was not published here. I know only 12 (!)
Don Rosa-stories published by Abril
Jovem (Brazilian Disney Publisher) in Portuguese until
now, and their codes are:
AR 109, AR 110, AR 130, AR 143
D 90147, D 90314, D 90345, D 91071, D 91076
H 87112, H 89178
KDO 190
Isn't it a shame?!? :-(
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #152
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Bhc
Disney comics Digest V99 #152
Message 3 -
1999-09-03 at 00:50:03
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
>With the high production [Barks] has done, I'm already very surprised that
>he can remember so much. During at least 1942 to 1958 he did not expect
>that people would value his work so much, and he must have been thinking
>more about the work he still had to make than about the work that he had
>already done.
>
Amen, Daniel. Spot on!
There does seem to be a tendency to think creative types have perfect
memories, particularly of whatever they've done that their fans care the
most about. When a creator falls short in this area, then it is sometimes
seen as though he or she is somehow falling down on the job, as if they
were not fulfilling a requirement for being a creator.
We're damn lucky Carl Barks has recollected all that he has over the last
few decades, and been around to do so. He's long since paid his dues to us
in the Memories of the Creative Process department. (And did he ever owe us
anything anyway?) Let us instead weep and gnash our teeth, if we must, over
all that we shall never know from the memories of all the creators who have
passed away before anyone bothered to pay attention to them or to what
they'd done.
Gary
****************************
"I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it
soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
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Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone
>With the high production [Barks] has done, I'm already very surprised that
>he can remember so much. During at least 1942 to 1958 he did not expect
>that people would value his work so much, and he must have been thinking
>more about the work he still had to make than about the work that he had
>already done.
>
Amen, Daniel. Spot on!
There does seem to be a tendency to think creative types have perfect
memories, particularly of whatever they've done that their fans care the
most about. When a creator falls short in this area, then it is sometimes
seen as though he or she is somehow falling down on the job, as if they
were not fulfilling a requirement for being a creator.
We're damn lucky Carl Barks has recollected all that he has over the last
few decades, and been around to do so. He's long since paid his dues to us
in the Memories of the Creative Process department. (And did he ever owe us
anything anyway?) Let us instead weep and gnash our teeth, if we must, over
all that we shall never know from the memories of all the creators who have
passed away before anyone bothered to pay attention to them or to what
they'd done.
Gary
****************************
"I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it
soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
KOMIX #135
Message 4 -
1999-09-03 at 13:18:50
Fellow Quackeroos:
Here are the features of KOMIX #135, September 1999:
1) A cover by Giorgio Cavazzano taken from the French "Mickey Parade" #217,
showing a menacing Phantom Blot over Mickey, Goofy and Chief O'Hara. KOMIX
lists the artist as "unknown"!
2) "A Worthy Heir", a 3-page editorial on William van Horn with samples of
drawings from his non-Disney work like "Nervous Rex", "Ambrose", and "Critters".
3) Carl Barks' "The Great Wig Mystery", from US #52, 1964.
4) "The Hidden Mickey Mouse", Part II, a 3-page editorial on Rosa's hidden
Mickeys. This time a reference is given at the end of the article:
www.duckburg.dk/mickeys/
5) Van Horn's "Tree's a Crowd", from AR #140, 1989.
6) Barks' "The Hypno-Gun", from WDC&S #145, 1952.
7) Barks' "Jonah Gyro", from US #48, 1964.
8) "The Phantom Blot", a 2-page editorial on the ocassion of the character's
60th anniversary since its first appearance in 1939.
9) "To Catch a Phantom", WDC&S #426, art by Paul Murry, story unknown.
(KOMIX lists original title and appearance of the story as "unknown").
10) "Huey, Louie, and Dewey: From the Archives of KOMIX", a 1-page editorial
with biographical info.
Cheers,
Archontis
Here are the features of KOMIX #135, September 1999:
1) A cover by Giorgio Cavazzano taken from the French "Mickey Parade" #217,
showing a menacing Phantom Blot over Mickey, Goofy and Chief O'Hara. KOMIX
lists the artist as "unknown"!
2) "A Worthy Heir", a 3-page editorial on William van Horn with samples of
drawings from his non-Disney work like "Nervous Rex", "Ambrose", and "Critters".
3) Carl Barks' "The Great Wig Mystery", from US #52, 1964.
4) "The Hidden Mickey Mouse", Part II, a 3-page editorial on Rosa's hidden
Mickeys. This time a reference is given at the end of the article:
www.duckburg.dk/mickeys/
5) Van Horn's "Tree's a Crowd", from AR #140, 1989.
6) Barks' "The Hypno-Gun", from WDC&S #145, 1952.
7) Barks' "Jonah Gyro", from US #48, 1964.
8) "The Phantom Blot", a 2-page editorial on the ocassion of the character's
60th anniversary since its first appearance in 1939.
9) "To Catch a Phantom", WDC&S #426, art by Paul Murry, story unknown.
(KOMIX lists original title and appearance of the story as "unknown").
10) "Huey, Louie, and Dewey: From the Archives of KOMIX", a 1-page editorial
with biographical info.
Cheers,
Archontis
Didier Ghez
Zio Paperone 95
Message 5 -
1999-09-03 at 15:14:19
Hi,
I was wondering if one of the Italian members would have an Zio Paperine
n°95 to exchange ?
Best.
Didier
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I was wondering if one of the Italian members would have an Zio Paperine
n°95 to exchange ?
Best.
Didier
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Arensbergen, J.
U$ BUndle
Message 6 -
1999-09-03 at 15:50:30
Hi Folks
The Life and Times of Uncle $crooge are one of the best Duck stories in
history. That is a fact.
Why isn't there a big binder of al the all the 12 parts?
There are some much more things that can be published in another way. Like
they should also make a comic that tells the story of Donald when he was
young. (And I don't mean Baby Donald from Disney baby)
Of course Scrooge has a much more interesting history as Donald.
I've got a tough question:
When you read the story (H93488) Part 12 of the life and times of Scrooge
you see Donald and HDL watching Know your city on TV. In a certain window
(page 3 window 1) you see the part where U$ fires his whole crew incl. the
father and mother of Donald. You see little Donald running away from the
money bin.
Is there a story about it?
The story Life and Times of Uncle scrooge part 12 has an impressing last
window. You see US sitting in/under his money and his nephew Donald says
that he haven't got any memories to this world. But.... See for yourself
It's a beautiful picture. Don Rosa should make an oil painting of it or a
lithograph.
But you can enlarge it in the copy shop! I did it to and the result was
very good!
The Life and Times of Uncle $crooge are one of the best Duck stories in
history. That is a fact.
Why isn't there a big binder of al the all the 12 parts?
There are some much more things that can be published in another way. Like
they should also make a comic that tells the story of Donald when he was
young. (And I don't mean Baby Donald from Disney baby)
Of course Scrooge has a much more interesting history as Donald.
I've got a tough question:
When you read the story (H93488) Part 12 of the life and times of Scrooge
you see Donald and HDL watching Know your city on TV. In a certain window
(page 3 window 1) you see the part where U$ fires his whole crew incl. the
father and mother of Donald. You see little Donald running away from the
money bin.
Is there a story about it?
The story Life and Times of Uncle scrooge part 12 has an impressing last
window. You see US sitting in/under his money and his nephew Donald says
that he haven't got any memories to this world. But.... See for yourself
It's a beautiful picture. Don Rosa should make an oil painting of it or a
lithograph.
But you can enlarge it in the copy shop! I did it to and the result was
very good!
Donald Ault
Disney comics Digest V99 #152
Message 7 -
1999-09-04 at 06:46:53
I conveyed to Carl Barks Daniel van Eijmeren's theory about the snow statue
contest having been constructed out of the "lost" bobsled race story, and he
responded to me with the following fax message;
"About Daniel van Eijmeren's theory that I built the Snow Statue story in
1956-57 from scraps I cut from an earlier 1955 bobsled race script that
mysteriously disappeared, I protest that the Snow Statue tale was completely
done with original thinking in late 1955. I remember nothing of the bobsled
race.
"In spite of the many claims by certain fans that I was never able to
originate an original story plot or situation, I protest that almost every
story I concocted was created from scratch.
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic, anyway.
Carl"
I spoke to Carl on the phone about this matter after I received his fax, and
I clarified that, as I understand it, Daniel was arguing that Carl had
reconstructed the snow statue story *immediately* after submitting the
bobsled story, which Daniel presumed was rejected since it was never
published. As Carl informed me, however, his records show that he was paid
$375 for the bobsled race story (the standard amount for a ten-page story at
that
time), which means it wasn't officially rejected as was some of his other
material, such as the sequences of events that were cut from "Back to the
Klondike" or "Trick or Treat," for which he was never paid anything. I also
explained that I didn't think anyone was accusing him of not thinking up
original ideas, but over the years Carl has gotten the impression from some
of the commentary written on his work that readers often try to focus on his
"sources" rather than on his originality. As I understand it, Carl is
protesting against the tendency in analysis of his work to look someplace
other than his own imagination for the brilliant kernels of the stories he
so meticulously developed.
Donald Ault
Dept. of English
University of Florida
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
FAX: (352) 332-0551
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contest having been constructed out of the "lost" bobsled race story, and he
responded to me with the following fax message;
"About Daniel van Eijmeren's theory that I built the Snow Statue story in
1956-57 from scraps I cut from an earlier 1955 bobsled race script that
mysteriously disappeared, I protest that the Snow Statue tale was completely
done with original thinking in late 1955. I remember nothing of the bobsled
race.
"In spite of the many claims by certain fans that I was never able to
originate an original story plot or situation, I protest that almost every
story I concocted was created from scratch.
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic, anyway.
Carl"
I spoke to Carl on the phone about this matter after I received his fax, and
I clarified that, as I understand it, Daniel was arguing that Carl had
reconstructed the snow statue story *immediately* after submitting the
bobsled story, which Daniel presumed was rejected since it was never
published. As Carl informed me, however, his records show that he was paid
$375 for the bobsled race story (the standard amount for a ten-page story at
that
time), which means it wasn't officially rejected as was some of his other
material, such as the sequences of events that were cut from "Back to the
Klondike" or "Trick or Treat," for which he was never paid anything. I also
explained that I didn't think anyone was accusing him of not thinking up
original ideas, but over the years Carl has gotten the impression from some
of the commentary written on his work that readers often try to focus on his
"sources" rather than on his originality. As I understand it, Carl is
protesting against the tendency in analysis of his work to look someplace
other than his own imagination for the brilliant kernels of the stories he
so meticulously developed.
Donald Ault
Dept. of English
University of Florida
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
FAX: (352) 332-0551
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #153
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Steven L. Stephenson
Steam Calliope
Message 8 -
1999-09-05 at 16:16:46
As a youngster, I remember reading an Uncle Scrooge/Donald Duck comic book
in which the main story involved Donald and/or his three nephews selling a
steam calliope to a hermit. Can anyone suggest when and where (i.e., comic
and issue) this story was published? It was in an American comic book and
probably appeared in the early 1950's. At least this is my best guess.
Steve Stephenson ((Email removed))
in which the main story involved Donald and/or his three nephews selling a
steam calliope to a hermit. Can anyone suggest when and where (i.e., comic
and issue) this story was published? It was in an American comic book and
probably appeared in the early 1950's. At least this is my best guess.
Steve Stephenson ((Email removed))
Rodney W Bowcock Jr.
Re:U$ Bundles
Message 9 -
1999-09-05 at 18:44:06
Shortly after the US publication of the Life and Times, Gladstone
released a hardbound book of the stories in various limited editions. It
seems to me that these are kinda hard to find at this point, but they
also released the stories as part of their Uncle Scrooge Adventures in
Color series. These are still pretty easy to find and run for about 10
dollars each in the US. It should be noted though that chapter Zero and
chapter Six and a half *are not* part of these collections.
Rodney Bowcock
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released a hardbound book of the stories in various limited editions. It
seems to me that these are kinda hard to find at this point, but they
also released the stories as part of their Uncle Scrooge Adventures in
Color series. These are still pretty easy to find and run for about 10
dollars each in the US. It should be noted though that chapter Zero and
chapter Six and a half *are not* part of these collections.
Rodney Bowcock
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Arthur S Bowman
Reprint of "Cash Flow"
Message 10 -
1999-09-05 at 20:26:03
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey everybody,=20
First, Thanks to all of you who helped me find the Gladstone Disney =
Digests. I finally ordered them from Gemstone. They are mostly just =
reprints of late Gold Key and all the Whitman stuff but nonetheless =
important to the history of the American Disney Comic. I don't post =
messages to this list very often, but I have just seen something that =
excited me. While I was browsing the D.U.C.K.hunt website, I came =
across a scan from the story "Cash Flow". I have the original Gladstone =
comic that this appeared in as a first run story, but I would like to =
know if it has re-appeared in an American comic book since its first =
American printing. This is my favorite Don Rosa story and I know that =
the color in the first Gladstone print was not that good. The language =
in the balloons was english though so it must have been American, =
Canadian, or British. Does anyone know? Please tell me if it has been =
re-printed in America. I would like to find this comic. Also, please, =
everyone tell me where I can subscribe to your country's Disney Comics. =
Leave me the e-mail address or physical mailing address. I would like =
a regular influx of Disney comics no matter where from. My wife speaks =
German and is half Cuban. Thanks again,
=20
Sincerely,
Arthur S Bowman
PO BOX 133 =20
Webster, NC 28788 =20
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charset="iso-8859-1"
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hey everybody,=20
First, Thanks to all of you who helped me find the Gladstone Disney =
Digests. I finally ordered them from Gemstone. They are mostly just =
reprints of late Gold Key and all the Whitman stuff but nonetheless =
important to the history of the American Disney Comic. I don't post =
messages to this list very often, but I have just seen something that =
excited me. While I was browsing the D.U.C.K.hunt website, I came =
across a scan from the story "Cash Flow". I have the original Gladstone =
comic that this appeared in as a first run story, but I would like to =
know if it has re-appeared in an American comic book since its first =
American printing. This is my favorite Don Rosa story and I know that =
the color in the first Gladstone print was not that good. The language =
in the balloons was english though so it must have been American, =
Canadian, or British. Does anyone know? Please tell me if it has been =
re-printed in America. I would like to find this comic. Also, please, =
everyone tell me where I can subscribe to your country's Disney Comics. =
Leave me the e-mail address or physical mailing address. I would like =
a regular influx of Disney comics no matter where from. My wife speaks =
German and is half Cuban. Thanks again,
=20
Sincerely,
Arthur S Bowman
PO BOX 133 =20
Webster, NC 28788 =20
Donald Ault
Disney comics Digest V99 #153
Message 11 -
1999-09-05 at 20:52:52
Carl Barks has asked me to post a correction to the message I posted from
him on the Disney Comics Digest V99 #153.
As I originally posted it, the last paragraph of his statement read:
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic."
The last paragraph of his statement should read instead:
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic, or any comic, that critically,
anyway."
This statement now reflects his original intention.
I apologize for any misunderstanding that may have arisen out of my earlier
posting.
Donald Ault
Dept. of English
University of Florida
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
FAX: (352) 332-0551
him on the Disney Comics Digest V99 #153.
As I originally posted it, the last paragraph of his statement read:
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic."
The last paragraph of his statement should read instead:
"It's really no big matter. Less than one-thousandth of one percent of
America's populace ever read a Disney comic, or any comic, that critically,
anyway."
This statement now reflects his original intention.
I apologize for any misunderstanding that may have arisen out of my earlier
posting.
Donald Ault
Dept. of English
University of Florida
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~donault/
FAX: (352) 332-0551
Halsten =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aastebøl?=
Steam Calliope
Message 12 -
1999-09-06 at 11:49:26
At 15:16 05.09.99 +0200, Steven L. Stephenson wrote:
>As a youngster, I remember reading an Uncle Scrooge/Donald Duck comic book
>in which the main story involved Donald and/or his three nephews selling a
>steam calliope to a hermit. Can anyone suggest when and where (i.e., comic
>and issue) this story was published? It was in an American comic book and
>probably appeared in the early 1950's. At least this is my best guess.
>
> Steve Stephenson ((Email removed))
>
The story is "Land of the Totempoles" published in Dell Four Color 263 in
February 1950.
Art and story by Carl Barks.
Halsten
>As a youngster, I remember reading an Uncle Scrooge/Donald Duck comic book
>in which the main story involved Donald and/or his three nephews selling a
>steam calliope to a hermit. Can anyone suggest when and where (i.e., comic
>and issue) this story was published? It was in an American comic book and
>probably appeared in the early 1950's. At least this is my best guess.
>
> Steve Stephenson ((Email removed))
>
The story is "Land of the Totempoles" published in Dell Four Color 263 in
February 1950.
Art and story by Carl Barks.
Halsten
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V99 #153
Message 13 -
1999-09-06 at 13:53:18
> 4) "The Hidden Mickey Mouse", Part II, a 3-page editorial on Rosa's hidden
> Mickeys. This time a reference is given at the end of the article:
> www.duckburg.dk/mickeys/
Note that they don't mention the URL as a reference per se (i.e.,
material they consulted to write the article). They just say to visit
the site for more information on hidden Mickeys.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I don't have a life... I have a program."
-----
> Mickeys. This time a reference is given at the end of the article:
> www.duckburg.dk/mickeys/
Note that they don't mention the URL as a reference per se (i.e.,
material they consulted to write the article). They just say to visit
the site for more information on hidden Mickeys.
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I don't have a life... I have a program."
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Collected Lo$
Message 14 -
1999-09-06 at 14:33:06
ARENSBERGEN J.:
>The Life and Times of Uncle $crooge are one of the best Duck stories in
>history. That is a fact.
>Why isn't there a big binder of al the all the 12 parts?
Now, if that's not an *UNDERSTATEMENT*, I wonder what is!!!!
I have a feeling I will not be the only one to answer this, but the Lo$ has
been collected in paper-back and hard-bound valumes in various countries.
Gladstone has put out a hard-cover volume in the U.S., while in Europe the
collected Lo$ was published in Scandinavia, Italy and France (as far as I
know). The French paper-back edition even includes 2 additional chapters.
I've also seen the Italian and Swedish editions, also nicely done!
Cheers,
Archontis
>The Life and Times of Uncle $crooge are one of the best Duck stories in
>history. That is a fact.
>Why isn't there a big binder of al the all the 12 parts?
Now, if that's not an *UNDERSTATEMENT*, I wonder what is!!!!
I have a feeling I will not be the only one to answer this, but the Lo$ has
been collected in paper-back and hard-bound valumes in various countries.
Gladstone has put out a hard-cover volume in the U.S., while in Europe the
collected Lo$ was published in Scandinavia, Italy and France (as far as I
know). The French paper-back edition even includes 2 additional chapters.
I've also seen the Italian and Swedish editions, also nicely done!
Cheers,
Archontis
Alecto
DCML digest, Vol 1 #657 - 14 msgs
Message 15 -
1999-09-06 at 15:48:02
> Message: 8
> From: Francois Willot <Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr>
> To: "'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Subject: Re: storycodes
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:17:25 +0200
>
> ALECTO:
>
> "Poison Island" is "I AT 106- B" (search for "Poison Island" at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/). No idea for the second one, can you
> provide more information?
Thanks for that, I have the info on the other story now.
>
> This is a good occasion to introduce a new page:
>
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/add.php
>
> There you can index comics (without having to know abbreviations and such).
> Your index will then be added to the database.
New page looks good, but one little problem I noticed with the Australian
section was that the issue series pull down lists "OS: G series comics", this is
not right as there is both a "G" series and an "OS" series, and they are
different(eg.there is a G60 and an OS60).
Tony.
> From: Francois Willot <Willot.Francois at ec-lille.fr>
> To: "'dcml at stp.ling.uu.se'" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Subject: Re: storycodes
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:17:25 +0200
>
> ALECTO:
>
> "Poison Island" is "I AT 106- B" (search for "Poison Island" at
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/). No idea for the second one, can you
> provide more information?
Thanks for that, I have the info on the other story now.
>
> This is a good occasion to introduce a new page:
>
> http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/coa/c1/add.php
>
> There you can index comics (without having to know abbreviations and such).
> Your index will then be added to the database.
New page looks good, but one little problem I noticed with the Australian
section was that the issue series pull down lists "OS: G series comics", this is
not right as there is both a "G" series and an "OS" series, and they are
different(eg.there is a G60 and an OS60).
Tony.