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Thanks to Francois and Marco for the feedback about my
Daisy stories.

Francois:

<< The "Journal de Mickey" made an article on how to draw Daisy (drawings of
Marin) and the change in the personality of this character. They talked
about Brazilian stories which were the first ones featuring Daisy as a
"modern" (uninhibited) woman (they didn't mention that the stories were
from Brazil, but they were clearly referring to these). >>

Great! I thought no one had noticed the "Brazilian new Daisy"
outside Brazil, but it seems I was wrong. I enjoyed very much
writing her stories at that time!
I know the three stories you mentioned (B 870157?, B 870065, B 860186)
and the last one is mine. But the first one is very good for sure (the
writer
seems to be Gerson Teixeira, who is a great Brazilian Disney writer!

Marco:

<< B 900025 - D+A: Nos Tempos do Rock 'n' Roll
This appeared in Italy in August 1992 (issue #428 of "Mega 2000). With a
TERRIBLE translation...
Elvis Pest is called BOB Pest. Now what could possibly be the meaning of
this change??? Any relation with Priestley is lost...
Moreover, in the last panel the TV shows the soccer match ITALY-BRAZIL...
and Donald supports Italy, while Pest supports Brazil...
Aaaaaghhhhhh!!!!! >>

Oops! My fault here...! Actually the rock star's name was Bob Pest...
I remember now that when I was writing the story, I firstly used "Elvis
Pest"
(same name as the radio rock star in Barks' W WDC 229-01 "The
Good Deeds" -- Portuguese version), but I changed to "Bob Pest"
in the last minute because I thought that today children wouldn't
get the reference, and the editors would probably rename
him anyway...
In the original the soccer match on TV wasn't Italy-
Brazil nor any known teams... just two funny and unreal ones.

<< 3. B 910136 - D+A: Juventude Inesquec=EDvel (Unforgettable Youth).
App: US, GD. Art: Eli Leon.
Mmmhhh... something fishy here... can you check the code, please?
Issue #467 of "Mega 2000" carries a story with the code B 910136 NEATLY
written in the splash-panel... too bad it's a story starring Hard Haid Moe
and a motorbike! >>

I checked the code and it's correct = B 910136. And about this
Moe story: I wrote a Moe+Fethry story where Moe misunderstands
an ad which says "Come and take your motorbike right now". He goes
to the store and accidentally rides one through the city...
If this is the same story you've read, its real code is B 910098.

-- Arthur Faria.

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Der Donaldist 108 - a review.

The 108th issue of German scientific magazine "Der Donaldist" has been
published recently. Here is a brief synopsis of its contents:

- Front Cover: by Maikel Das, showing Donald Duck looking at a mushroom
cloud (illustrating an article of Torsten Gerber, see below);
- two (!) proceedings of the 22nd congress of D.O.N.A.L.D. (March 27th 99
in Achim, near Bremen), by Nicola Waldbauer and Torsten Gerber, respectively
(five pages each; elsewhere in the magazine, various newspaper articles on
the congress are reprinted);
- a quiz by Gangolf Seitz (postcards containing the correct solution
"176-167" and sent to Gangolf Seitz, Rossweg 15a, 35094 Lahntal, Germany are in
for a raffle for a "valuable donaldistic item");
- "Strahlende Macht. Atomenergie und ihre Nutzung in Entenhausen" by
Torsten Gerber ("Radiant power. Nuclear energy and its practical application in
Duckburg"): The author enlightens the role of atomic energy in the city of
Duckburg, assuming that Duckburg is a continental power (be it independently
or within a federation of states or countries); data are provided that
Duckburg uses atomic energy as method to maintaion its strategic position, in
competition with enemy countries (such as Brutopia). According to Gerber, atomic
energy is also used for peaceful purposes such as space flight; there is a
hole sector of economy based on nuclear power, and there is strong evidence
that atomic energy has become part of daily life to Duckburgians, even in
children's play;
- an obituary on Thomas Wahle, director of the D.O.N.A.L.D.-Museum in
Heiningen, by Andreas Platthaus. Rest in peace, old pal;
- "Das Leben - Ein Kampf. Archetypen im täglichen Gegeneinander" by Klaus
Harms ("Life - a battle. Archetypes in daily one-against-each-other"): Harms
provides data that daily life of
Duckburg citizens is determined by fighting. Various styles of battling
are analyzed. The author claims that fighting methods in duels without weapons
bear strong similarities to fighting styles of animals or zombies. Hence,
fighting might be a relict of animal origin (so-called archetype) in
Duckburgians;
- also by Klaus Harms is an article supporting the theory of natural
superiority of the decimal system based on observations of blue-green algae;
- "William Van Horn" by Peter Kowalewski: The author gives an overview on
the Disney works of Van Horn, distinguishing four periods (Gladstone
1988-90, Disney 90-92, Egmont 92 till today, Gladstone 94/96). Emphasis is taken on
evolution on drawing and narrative style.
The article is accompanied by an index of US-American and German Editions
of Van Horn's stories (including gag pages, but not counting cover
illustrations) up to Micky Maus issue # 28/99;
- "Duckfilm. Disney-Film-Notizen" by Richard Jebe ("Notes on Disney
films"): Disney cartoons and films that have been running on TV lately are listed,
and new German video editions are noted. A closer look is taken at "Mickey
Mouse Works", the new Disney TV series (not yet running on German TV);
- an untitled feature with excerpts of the pinboard of D.O.N.A.L.D. on the
Internet (go to: http://donald.org, then click the SCHWARZES BRETT link),
most probably by Richard Jebe also;
- plus various features, including impressum by Johnny Grote and back
cover by Anonymous.

That's all, folks. Der Donaldist is available at Johnny Grote, Eupener
Strasse 1, 50933 Koeln, Germany, E-Mail: (Email removed) . Price is DM
8,-- per issue including porto and package. Recent editions are available also.

--- W.W.

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Stefan Persson replied to Francois Willot's question:

>Regarding "Quack Pack", well, I've never heard about this. Could you tell
>me briefly what it is...?

by saying:

<<It's one of those new bad TV-series. Donald and Daisy work for a TV
station.
The art in all the Quack Pack:s that I've seen is quite bad.>>

Yeah, QP laid an egg (no pun intended) with fans on this side of the water as
well. But one shining light in the series was the portrayal of Daisy. She
was an up-to-date career woman in this incarnation but still quite
recognizable as Daisy. And bad art or no, she DID look mighty good.

Christopher E. Barat
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$Disney comics Digest Volume 99 : Issue 157
$
$Contents:
$ (Email removed) Re: Disney comics Digest V99 #156
$ Rodney w bowcock jr. Disney Reprint Ban List
$ (Email removed) vic lockman and eye-opener
$ Fluks, H.W. RE: Bob Moore
$ Nils Lid Hjort Aku Ankka 33/99
$ Francois Willot Daisy
$ Stefan Persson Re: Daisy
$ Arthur Faria Jr. Daisy
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:45:13 EDT
$From: (Email removed)
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V99 #156
$
$Francois Willot wrote:
$ The "Journal de Mickey" made an article on how to draw Daisy
(drawings of
$> Marin) and the change in the personality of this character. They
talked
$> about Brazilian stories which were the first ones featuring Daisy
as a
$> "modern" (uninhibited) woman (they didn't mention that the stories
were
$> from Brazil, but they were clearly referring to these).
$> I remember a few *great* stories from this period:
$> [examples snipped]
$
$So the Brazilian stories made Daisy more of a feminist? Myself, I
prefer the
$version of Daisy that appeared on Quack Pack. That Daisy was more
"with it"
$without engaging in stereotypical "breaking roles" plots.
$
$Chris Barat
$Colonial Heights, VA
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:11:20 -0400
$From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <(Email removed)>
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: Disney Reprint Ban List
$
$I like to set little goals for myself when buying comics, and now I
want
$to get copies of all of the stories on the Disney Reprint Ban List,
at
$least Duck and Mouse ones. I know there are *tons* of Gottfreson
stories
$that are on the list, (*sigh*) and most of those havent been seen
since
$the original printing, so I am mainly interested in other stories
that
$*have* been printed within the last 40 years or so. I know Treasure
of
$Marco Polo is one. Can anyone help me out with more?
$
$
$
$
$Rodney Bowcock
$
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$Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:47:02 EDT
$From: (Email removed)
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: vic lockman and eye-opener
$
$I see that Vic Lockman has a story drawn by Dan DeCarlo that appears
in the
$upcoming November distributed issue of Veronica (#96) from Archie
comics.
$Anybody know if this is Lockman's first Archie comic?
$
$I also should bragthat I am the proud owner of a Barks issue of the
Calgary
$Eye-Opener. Using Gladstone's reprint book, I see that Barks had
allready
$moved to Salt Lake City the month before. I aqhave a rather large
collection
$of early Captain Billy's Whiz Bang, and I am surprised at how much
more
$risque the Eye-Opener actually is. One of the Barks drawings in my
issue is
$quite an eye-opener! My issue also includes a Barks duck drawing!
$
$
$Steven Rowe,
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:23:00 +0100
$From: "Fluks, H.W." <(Email removed)>
$To: 'Santiago García Baños'
<(Email removed)>,
$ DCML <(Email removed)>
$Subject: RE: Bob Moore
$
$Santiago:
$
$> an artist named 'Bob Moore'
$> Could someone tell me if this guy has=20
$> anything to do
$> with that Bob De Moore Herg=E9's collaborator and Tintin drawer=20
$> (form Belgium, I suppose).
$>=20
$> I realize the names BOB and MOORE are actually very common,=20
$> and probably
$> it's just a coincidence, but I would like to know.
$
$They have nothing to do with each other. Bob de Moor is not even
called
$Moore. (And yes, De Moor is from Belgium.)
$
$--Harry.
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:50:20 +0200
$From: Nils Lid Hjort <(Email removed)>
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: Aku Ankka 33/99
$
$I'm admiring the two Don Rosa drawings "lukkari.jpg"
$and "lukkari2.jpg" viewable at http://www.duckhunt.de/ .
$I understand these are published in Finnish Aku Ankka
$some weeks ago in #33/1999.
$
$1. Will these appear also in the Scandinavian editions?
$ Or have they already? (I don't buy the Norwegian DD magazine
$ every week...)
$
$2. How can I get hold of Finnish Aku Ankka issues? I'd like to
$ have a copy of the recent #33 issue, and I'd _very much_ like
$ and need to get hold of the Kalevala story once it's out
$ in November. -- I have friends also needing the Finnish Kalevala,
$ so I would order several copies, once I find out how to
$ do so.
$
$I'm trying to access http://www.akuankka.fi/ , but the page
$is s-l-o-w and anyway probably not set up with a button to
$click-if-you-need-#33/99-sent-to-Oslo.
$
$If anyone of you Finns out there could help me out I would not
$only appreciate it but even pay you for your trouble (in suitable
$comics currency or hard cash). Email me.
$
$Nils Lid Hjort
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:53:07 +0200 (CEST)
$From: Francois Willot <(Email removed)>
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: Daisy
$
$Chris Barat wrote:
$
$> So the Brazilian stories made Daisy more of a feminist? Myself, I
$> prefer the version of Daisy that appeared on Quack Pack. That
Daisy was
$> more "with it" without engaging in stereotypical "breaking roles"
plots.
$
$I think there were some attempts to make Daisy a kind of feminist in
$Italian stories from the 70s. At least there are a few references to
this
$in "Paperinika e il filo di Arianna" drawn by Cavazzano for Topolino
#906.
$
$In this one, Scrooge and Donald's arrogant attitudes really uppset
Daisy
$in such a way that she decides to be "Paperinika" (Super-Daisy), the
$female version of Paperinik. I must say that seeing Donald and
Scrooge's
$(more or less) mysoginous behaviour was very funny (I'm not surprised
$that this story is credited to Guido Martina).
$
$Really an excellent story, perfectly drawn and scripted, however I've
$never been fond of the 2nd part, where Daisy (alias Paperinika) gives
a
$lesson to Donald (and makes him ridiculous).
$
$A female character drawn like a human (without dog nose) also appears
in
$this story. Certain French editors do not like this very much, but it
was
$reprinted in France anyway.
$I've read somewhere that the Italian readers also complained when
this
$story was published in 1973, because Paperinik didn't "win" (as in
the
$previous Paperinik stories).
$
$Regarding "Quack Pack", well, I've never heard about this. Could you
tell
$me briefly what it is...?
$
$ Francois
$
$------------------------------
$
$Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:19:47 CEST
$From: "Stefan Persson" <(Email removed)>
$To: (Email removed)
$Subject: Re: Daisy
$
$>Regarding "Quack Pack", well, I've never heard about this. Could you
tell
$>me briefly what it is...?
$
$It's one of those new bad TV-series. Donald and Daisy work for a TV
station.
$The art in all the Quack Pack:s that I've seen is quite bad.
$
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$Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:06:57 -0300
$From: "Arthur Faria Jr." <(Email removed)>
$To: "DcML" <(Email removed)>
$Subject: Daisy
$
$Thanks to Francois and Marco for the feedback about my
$Daisy stories.
$
$Francois:
$
$<< The "Journal de Mickey" made an article on how to draw Daisy
(drawings of
$Marin) and the change in the personality of this character. They
talked
$about Brazilian stories which were the first ones featuring Daisy as
a
$"modern" (uninhibited) woman (they didn't mention that the stories were
$from Brazil, but they were clearly referring to these). >>
$
$Great! I thought no one had noticed the "Brazilian new Daisy"
$outside Brazil, but it seems I was wrong. I enjoyed very much
$writing her stories at that time!
$I know the three stories you mentioned (B 870157?, B 870065, B
860186)
$and the last one is mine. But the first one is very good for sure
(the
$writer
$seems to be Gerson Teixeira, who is a great Brazilian Disney writer!
$
$Marco:
$
$<< B 900025 - D+A: Nos Tempos do Rock 'n' Roll
$This appeared in Italy in August 1992 (issue #428 of "Mega 2000).
With a
$TERRIBLE translation...
$Elvis Pest is called BOB Pest. Now what could possibly be the meaning
of
$this change??? Any relation with Priestley is lost...
$Moreover, in the last panel the TV shows the soccer match
ITALY-BRAZIL...
$and Donald supports Italy, while Pest supports Brazil...
$Aaaaaghhhhhh!!!!! >>
$
$ Oops! My fault here...! Actually the rock star's name was Bob
Pest...
$I remember now that when I was writing the story, I firstly used
"Elvis
$Pest"
$(same name as the radio rock star in Barks' W WDC 229-01 "The
$Good Deeds" -- Portuguese version), but I changed to "Bob Pest"
$in the last minute because I thought that today children wouldn't
$get the reference, and the editors would probably rename
$him anyway...
$ In the original the soccer match on TV wasn't Italy-
$Brazil nor any known teams... just two funny and unreal ones.
$
$<< 3. B 910136 - D+A: Juventude Inesquec=EDvel (Unforgettable Youth).
$ App: US, GD. Art: Eli Leon.
$Mmmhhh... something fishy here... can you check the code, please?
$Issue #467 of "Mega 2000" carries a story with the code B 910136
NEATLY
$written in the splash-panel... too bad it's a story starring Hard
Haid Moe
$and a motorbike! >>
$
$ I checked the code and it's correct = B 910136. And about this
$Moe story: I wrote a Moe+Fethry story where Moe misunderstands
$an ad which says "Come and take your motorbike right now". He goes
$to the store and accidentally rides one through the city...
$If this is the same story you've read, its real code is B 910098.
$
$ -- Arthur Faria.
$
$--------------------------------
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Christopher E. Barat:
> Stefan Persson replied to Francois Willot's question:
>
> >Regarding "Quack Pack", well, I've never heard about this. Could you tell
> >me briefly what it is...?
>
> by saying:
>
> <<It's one of those new bad TV-series. Donald and Daisy work for a TV
> station. The art in all the Quack Pack:s that I've seen is quite bad.>>
>
> Yeah, QP laid an egg (no pun intended) with fans on this side of the wate
> as well. But one shining light in the series was the portrayal of Daisy.
> She was an up-to-date career woman in this incarnation but still quite
> recognizable as Daisy. And bad art or no, she DID look mighty good.

For anyone interested, there is a picture of *that* Daisy on my site,
and,
while I liked her "hair", to me it was her personality on Quack Pack
that was
outstanding! I watched Quack Pack primarily for her! I had never thought
myself to be a Daisy-Fan until that show! :-) Unfortunately, her role
in the
new animated series, Mickey's MouseWorks, has made her rather annoying as
Minnie's best friend, in her first headliner cartoon. I hope THAT changes
in her next episode!

http://www.jps.net/xephyr/rich/dzone/hoozoo/images/daisy2.gif

Rich Bellacera

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Hi,

I was wondering if any of the Spanish members of this list would know of a
good comic book shop in Madrid where I could find pre-war Disney comics ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Didier

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