Keskustelujen arkisto

I have done what S?ren asked for, also that 3rd panel , which is placed
as the first panel. But I don't really get the xpression to see a b/W
movie in color? Do you mean that the world around the TV/Cinema doesn't
turn b/w because you watch that movie? That would be true.
Speaking of B/W movies, I guess some people think they're boring,
because we usually see in color... but many of the best and funnies
movies seem to be b/w.

HANS
If Gladstone changed the Lentils of Babylon in their publication, I
wonder what version Komix used? I have the Komix-publication of the
story (which I can't read), but it looks very nice.

I'm happy to see that Archontis joined us from his new place in NY,
welcome back:-)

Sprea
It did sounds close... but what do we do then?`Do we have any members
from South America who could take a look at these:

> http://www.geocities.com/FashionAvenue/Mall/5218/howto1.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/FashionAvenue/Mall/5218/howto2.jpg

AC

I hope we can return to an old issue for a moment?
I just received a copy of the German version of my Kalevala story. They
colored the special "interior cover" that I did for them *splendidly*!
Beautiful computer-color effects! And they have a spectacular background
display of red sky and yellow lightning on each page of the story, with my
comic panels "hovering" over the surface and casting shadows back onto it.
It really looks great.
The special font for the Kalevalian dialogue is also quite nice. But as a
German reader pointed out to me, the German translator misinterpreted a key
moment of my dialogue... it was the most important dialogue in the story to
*me*, though I suppose it was not really so important to the Kalevala-quest
plot. Let me describe it briefly...
In my original dialogue, Vainemoinen tells $crooge that he knows $crooge
has a love of a land of ice and snow and grandeur, and $crooge correctly
realizes he means the Yukon of his youth. Then comes the key moment --
Vainy, seeking to make $crooge realize what's important in life, makes
$crooge the offer: "Then COME WITH ME to where I go! Have prosperity
eternal! FORSAKE your OWN Kalevala where a lost love still awaits you!"
(that being Goldie.) This $crooge realizes is not worth eternal wealth, and
he says "no", to which Vainy says "RIGHT CHOICE!"
Now, the German version seems to say something like "Come with me and I'll
take you back to the Yukon where your true love awaits you"... to which
$crooge says "no". Which is absolutely the total opposite of what I wanted,
and seems to make little sense. It was a tiny slip, perhaps the translator
did not understand the English word "forsake" which is an old-fashioned,
seldom-used word. And the Kalevalian phrasing is surely also confusing. But
now I need to ask you folks in Finland and Norway and Sweden and Denmark
and Iceland -- did your version of my dialogue have this same
misinterpretation of my key instant in the story? Or is it okay? (I'm
probably just going to make myself miserable. Ignorance is bliss. But I
really need to know.)
Thanks...

AC:

> > I TL 615-A, I TL 616-A (Sep. 1967)
> > Paperino e i candidati al CIAO
> /Martina/Carpi/30+28/avventura sudamericana/Paperino; Zio Paperone,
> QQQ, Cuordipietra Famedoro

Sprea> It's not this, I just checked :-(

I took a look at a couple of other of Carpi's South American
Adventures, and neither fit. Looking at the few panels we
know from the story, I'm getting more and more convinced
that the art has not only been traced (redrawn) but most
likely the whole story is made by someone copying art
from various sources and making a whole new story of it.
Some of the art is *so* bad - even by Italian standards. ;-)

But perhaps some elements can be traced to original sources:
like the king, wearing a crown (but probably added later)
and a butterfly and suit that makes him look more like a
concert pianist. I'd still say that this is, or has been,
Carpi art.

Researchers should remember that any sources would be pre-1971,
the date of the original publication of "How To Read DD".

--

Thanks, Santiago, for the information about Italian
subscriptions! What would an American think of paying
a hundred dollars a year for a 200 page pocket book
every week with lots of good art, but in a foreign
language? I am not even doing a cold turkey, but
still think it sounds like a sweet deal! :-)

Only too bad and a little incomprehensible that only
a handful of the many Italian Disney book titles are
available to overseas subscribers. Perhaps it would
change if demand was high enough.

I btw got a letter from the publishers of the Dutch
weekly recently, that expressed gratitude that a
foreigner would have interest in their books, and
asked me if I would please visit their web site and
fill in a questionaire. If I did so before December
31st 1999, I would even get a free ticket for the
national Dutch sweepstakes. Only problem is I got
the letter on Jan. 17th.
Well, at least they care. ;-)

--

I've also been meaning to say so: Thanks to 'WunderWurm'
for uploading those rare old Mickey strips. I hope to see
more of them in the future.

oLe
_U

I found the side-by-side comparison very interesting. The
"politically correct" changes are very subtle, but the more you look,
the more you see.

Does anyone else have similar examples?

Thanks,
Sonia

Ole:

> Looking at the few panels we
> know from the story, I'm getting more and more convinced
> that the art has not only been traced (redrawn) but most
> likely the whole story is made by someone copying art
> from various sources and making a whole new story of it.
> Some of the art is *so* bad - even by Italian standards. ;-)

In the book "How To Read Donald Duck", *all* illustrations look like badly
traced copies of the stories. Even the Barks ones. Since the book was not
okayed by Disney, it sounds logical to me that they didn't have original
prints of the artwork.

BTW, the Dutch translation *was* made in cooperation with the Dutch Disney
editors...

--Harry.

ANDERS CHRISTIAN:

> If Gladstone changed the Lentils of Babylon in their publication, I
> wonder what version Komix used? I have the Komix-publication of the
> story (which I can't read), but it looks very nice.

Given that the comparison that we saw was between the Komix and Gladstone
versions, I would assume that Komix used the original version. Too bad they
made a mess of the plot, though, as we discussed a few days ago.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
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Don Rosa asks about the Translation of the IHO most important part of
Kalevala.
I'm happy to tell you that the dansih dialogue on the place you ask for
is precisely what you wrote, just translated. and very nicely
translated. the translator even put in the danish forsage, which is the
same word as you put there.

The german dialogue in the 1 panel in the last line of that page 30 of
the story talks about a heart that has waited/hoped for Scrooge's
return for a long time - Is he ready for that? No.

To return to the coloring of the german version. it looks awsome yes,
with that background, and also the colouring in general is a little
darker (paper-quality?)
The red and lightning with sometimes white spots to bring the ducks in
center is stunning, and I've only found one mistake, and I can be a
nitpicker (or whatever it's called) page 63 of the german mag 8page 32
of the story), the 3rd panel... the read, white fading to the right is
night, but to the left of the panel the white continues one milimeter
too much, and there's no fade. That's the only thing I noticed. I just
read the
verses in the german version through, and it is very nice.

BTW The kavalaeian rhytm isn't supposed to be 8-beat by parts of
texts, but by sound? Is that right? it seems to be so in the german
version at least.

> From: fernandopventura at uol.com.br
In one of my weeklies from the end of the 50'es/beginning of 60'es
there's a christmas story, where Donald and the kids receive cards from
allover, including Jose Carioca, and I think the card includes a
drawing of a pinata, a thing that you hit on and something good comes
out.
Since then I believe he has only appeared in a mag from 1994 where he
was pictured, and referred to the original cartoon he was in.

OLE
Your theories about tracing and copying art from different story to
make
that story that we see panels from in the How to read DD...
I can follow you on the king being some pianist. he doesn't look very
royal,
except for the crown.

I was thinking about asking the danish translator of the book, Mr.
Vinterberg,
but I seem to have forgotten if he works for a newspaper or not... (If
I remembered that, i could contect the paper and ask for him)

Tryg Helseth
> Unfortunately, I don't have this in electronic form.
> I borrowed the magazine from a friend who alerted me to this story.
Okay. How new is the magazine and is it solely norwegian or english?
I ask because i could maybe contact the publisher

> Tryg
> "Maybe I'm glad; maybe I'm sad; maybe I'm just a little mad!" -Gyro
Gearloose
What a nice quote. I remember when i joined this list, and it was one
of the first questions I asked. people answered, including Stefan Dios,
and he also talked about the swedish version that sounded very funny.

HARRY
You're right that all the panels in the HTRDD look badly.. they might
be traced too, and they are most likely photo copies.
Am I right that this book was burned in Chile sometime after it was
written, because of a change of leaders?

There's also other strange mis-translations in the book. The president
of Plain Awfull asks what the ducks can learn them to highen their
morals, and HDL tell him they can teach them to obey their leaders...
In the Barks-versions it was square-dance...
Especially the barks-panels from the Vax Museum showed in the book are
badly copied and looks strange, like the chilean company published
another version of it.

The back of the danish book has one of the panels from the
revolution/king-story with green color, a sort of ad for the book.
where the king says:
Why do the natives and wilds always freely give their treasures and
valuables to the ducks from far countries?
One of the kids ask why there's no parents in his stories. (The he is
supposed to be Walt himself, who was obviously believed by the world to
draw the whole thing himself! imagine how the kids in 1966 must have
fealt... no more duck comics, cause Uncle Walt is dead... (i am quoting
some swedes here:-) and imagine people saying, because barks also
retired that year: I think the quality fell after Walt died...
the other kids ask why Donald is so keen on statues and photoalbums
(most stories in the beginning of the sixites were started with a look
in the album).
Donald asks what HDL are doing in Vietnam (is this a clue to do story
or just a reference to treasure of marco polo?) and if Walt Disney is
so innocent.

The book may say some rightfull things but they don't know much about
what they talk about, and I heard that the actual comic-reader of the
two writers has later regretted that he took part in the writing.

The danish afterword is made by the comic-critic Vinterberg, who also
made a forword for the newest reprint-book in 1999 (1950)

YEp. As the subject line says. I get bored as I can't find any of my
friends here...
Leo J. Herranen
Kohokuja 3
71800 Siilinj?rvi
Finland
E-mail address:leo.herranen at raketti.net

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