Donald Duck & Co # 8 - 2000
Egmont front cover, showing Donald in a ski lift, and at the same time
stuck on the top of an elk.
First story out is about Donald Duck (D 99034, 8 pages), written by
Paul Halas and drawn by Marsal.
Donald is tired of winter and snow, and decides to hibernate the rest
of the winter. If bears and hedgehogs can, why not him? He puts on all
the heat he can, and blows the electical system. The electrician won't
come out in the bad weather, so there he is. To get some heat he now needs
wood, and to get that he must go to the forest. He brings some honey
chocolate.
Out there, the car gets stuck in the snow, and Donald finds a cave in which
he can find shelter. And, oops, there's a bear (what a surprise...).
Fortunately the bear likes the chocolate, and they become good friends.
Donald is found and rescued. After the electrical system of his house is
repaired, he discovers that the bear has decided to stay there for the
rest of the winter.
I'm sure there is some point in this story, but I fail to see it.
Next is an old one-pager (KF-05-15-50).
The third story is about Mad Madam Mim (D 96331, 4 pages), written by
Paul Halas and Jack Sutter, and drawn by Millet.
Mim gets a new book from the witch book club. It's about doing magic
with weather. She starts by removing the winter, and lets the spring come
out (I wish I could do that). Soon it shows up that not everyone is happy
about this - like kids with their sleighs. Mim then creates some very
local winters for those who needs it.
Close by is a film studio which is about to make a winter scene. Only
problem is that their snow machines are out of function. One assistant has
noted Mim's local snow weathers, and they get her to the studio. It works
perfect for a very short time, until they discover that her snow is
actually cold, and breaks havoc in the studio.
This could have been pretty good, if there weren't about a million
Mim stories with similar story line. Is it impossible to make up
something new?
The fourth story is about Donald Duck (D 98408, 12 pages), written by
Per Hedman, and drawn by Colomer.
Scrooge wants something far out in an area of wilderness, and sends out
Donald and a professional guide to find it. He won't tell them what it
is, but he'll give them more information when they have reached the
place where it is. The guide is soon tired by Donald, who's not quite
as used to the wilderness as he is.
After a while Donald discovers that there's something mysterious about
the guide. He's talking to someone on a mobile phone, informing this
"someone" about the expedition.
Suddenly the new instructions are dropped from a helicopter, and Donald
and the guide fight to get to them first.
At the same time, Scrooge finds out that Donald's guide is not the one
he hired, but one who has been put in his place by Glomgold, to find out
what Scrooge is up to. The real one is then dropped at the same place by
the same chopper. Together they find what Scrooge wants - a few golden
flowers, which he intends to give to a collector (in return for something,
of course). Now it shows up that both guides are members of an organization
which protects rare plants, and none of them will pick the flowers.
Although quite classical, the idea isn't so bad. But why send Donald
and a guide all the way on the ground, when someone could have just gone
there with the helicopter?
Then a Mickey Mouse story (D 99096, 10 pages), written by Jeff Hamill,
and drawn by Ferioli.
Mickey is chosen to recieve this years prize for being a fellow human
being in Duckburg. What he has done, is to collect old computers, and
giving them to youth clubs that needed them. He's given a lot of attention
by other citizens, which makes him embarrassed. He did this because he
wanted to, not to get a prize for it.
The driver whos taking him in the mayor's limousine, to the reception where
he's to get the prize, is a very bitter man, and his behaviour is really
bad towards Mickey. Mickey tries to be nice to him, but after the driver
collided the car, he (Mickey) realises that he (the driver) is jealous of
him. All the time he does nice things to other people, but never is it
mentioned. But if a celebrity like Mickey does one nice thing, everybody
get to know it, and he gets a prize for it. Mickey tries to make up for
this by bringing the driver with him on the stage at the reception, and
telling that he'll share the prize with a person who all the time works
for the society. The result of this is that Mickey gets even more
attention for being unselfish, and the driver is forgotten. The driver
thinks Mickey used him to get more attention to himself, and is just as
mad as before.
This is a good story. It illustrates well and simple how some people work
for the society because they wants to, how the society needs heroes to
look up to, and how this sometimes can clash together when personal
feelings are messed into it.
Next is an old one-pager (KF 10-10-54).
Then a newer one-pager, about Goofy (D 93002). No credits, but the art
looks like Esteban.
Goofy puts snow chains on his car (it's winter), and claims that nothing
can stop him now. Because a road sign is covered with snow, he drives
against the direction on a one-way street, and has to stop for a snow
plough.
I suppose it was meant to be funny.
The eighth story is the second part of a Donald Duck story beginning in # 7
(D 99171), written by Andreas Pihl, and drawn by Colomer.
I will comment this when I've read it all, but so far I'll at least
say that this is one of the best Duck stories I've read in years!
Last is another old one-pager (KF-12-18-60).
Also with this issue was an extra with the story I-AL-6-1955 by
Guido Martina and Romano Scarpa.
J?rgen
Author
Topic: 200003
(174 messages)
Jorgenb
Donald Duck & Co # 8 2000
Message 1 -
2000-03-01 at 00:56:40
Jorgenb
Reviews and Br'er Rabbit
Message 2 -
2000-03-01 at 00:59:31
Hi, list
I've now sent a review of # 8. Then I'll go backwards - and forwards...
never mind.
I've heard about this censoring of Br'er Rabbit stories earlier, but
I'm still just as puzzled about it's reason.
Sonia said:
| For the last several decades Brer Rabbit stories have generally been
| considered politically incorrect in the USA, due to being offensive to
| many black people.
Offensive to many black people. Ok.
| The original stories date from a time when there was strong discrimination
| in this country,
Dating from a time with strong discrimination. Ok.
| and the characters were seen as mimicking black people's speech and
| behavior (and therefore a sign of disrespect).
The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior. Ok.
What Sonia says is exactly the same as what I've heard before, so I
understand that these reasons actually are why the stories are not
published anymore. Still, it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, if these stories are describing black people as of lesser value,
intellingence or whatever, than people of other races, then I can
understand that they are being offended by them. The thing is, I don't
understand why they automatically would be offended by the reasons Sonia
described.
The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior - which
makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits etc.). Is
this in itself offending?
The stories originated in a period of strong discrimination. By simple
reasoning, the characters in the stories are then identifiable with
discriminated people, and can be assigned the same "low values". Or at
least, they could be at the time the stories were made. Can they still?
My point is that the context the stories now would be published in (if
they were) is much different from the original context. Is it possible
for a child who reads the stories now, to see that they once pictured
a race of "lower value"?
And in a similar way, "Hiawatha" stories (or any stories with Indians)
are banned in the US, just because Indians could be offended by seeing
comic characters mimicking Indians.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I do understand that both black
Americans and Indians have a tough history behind them, but have this
weakened them to such extent that they can't bear to see a black or
an Indian comic character? I would appreciate an answer to this.
And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
And David said:
| ...we produced and published our own new Brer Rabbit stories until
| recently, but we stopped making them lately because we found our readers
| were tired of them.
I can't imagine why... Silly, short stories where the rabbit did nothing
else than making the bear and the fox fall in a pond or something like
that. There is a limit for how many times one can read that story and
enjoy it.
J?rgen
I've now sent a review of # 8. Then I'll go backwards - and forwards...
never mind.
I've heard about this censoring of Br'er Rabbit stories earlier, but
I'm still just as puzzled about it's reason.
Sonia said:
| For the last several decades Brer Rabbit stories have generally been
| considered politically incorrect in the USA, due to being offensive to
| many black people.
Offensive to many black people. Ok.
| The original stories date from a time when there was strong discrimination
| in this country,
Dating from a time with strong discrimination. Ok.
| and the characters were seen as mimicking black people's speech and
| behavior (and therefore a sign of disrespect).
The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior. Ok.
What Sonia says is exactly the same as what I've heard before, so I
understand that these reasons actually are why the stories are not
published anymore. Still, it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, if these stories are describing black people as of lesser value,
intellingence or whatever, than people of other races, then I can
understand that they are being offended by them. The thing is, I don't
understand why they automatically would be offended by the reasons Sonia
described.
The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior - which
makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits etc.). Is
this in itself offending?
The stories originated in a period of strong discrimination. By simple
reasoning, the characters in the stories are then identifiable with
discriminated people, and can be assigned the same "low values". Or at
least, they could be at the time the stories were made. Can they still?
My point is that the context the stories now would be published in (if
they were) is much different from the original context. Is it possible
for a child who reads the stories now, to see that they once pictured
a race of "lower value"?
And in a similar way, "Hiawatha" stories (or any stories with Indians)
are banned in the US, just because Indians could be offended by seeing
comic characters mimicking Indians.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I do understand that both black
Americans and Indians have a tough history behind them, but have this
weakened them to such extent that they can't bear to see a black or
an Indian comic character? I would appreciate an answer to this.
And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
And David said:
| ...we produced and published our own new Brer Rabbit stories until
| recently, but we stopped making them lately because we found our readers
| were tired of them.
I can't imagine why... Silly, short stories where the rabbit did nothing
else than making the bear and the fox fall in a pond or something like
that. There is a limit for how many times one can read that story and
enjoy it.
J?rgen
Kfitz
Reviews and Br'er Rabbit
Message 3 -
2000-03-01 at 07:12:26
Actually, IMHO, the Br'er speak was the speak of all southern illiterates,
Black or White, there are a few examples of this in some of Mark Twain's
writings. -Kathy
Black or White, there are a few examples of this in some of Mark Twain's
writings. -Kathy
Pietro Reynaud-Bersanino
Italian Lira vs Euro
Message 4 -
2000-03-01 at 08:38:02
In DCML digest, Vol 1 #97 - 29/02/00 Santiago Garcia Banhos wrote:
>Today, Right now, the change is:
>
> 1.00 Euro = 1,936.27 Italy Lira
1.00 Euro is **always** 1,936.27 Italian Liras !!!
Pietro
__________________Oooo.____________________________________________
????????? .oooO?? (?? ) A satyagrahi does not wait for others,
????????? (?? )??? ) / but throws himself into the fray,
\ ( (_/ relyng entirely on his own resources.
\_) (Mahatma Gandhi)
??????????????????
>Today, Right now, the change is:
>
> 1.00 Euro = 1,936.27 Italy Lira
1.00 Euro is **always** 1,936.27 Italian Liras !!!
Pietro
__________________Oooo.____________________________________________
????????? .oooO?? (?? ) A satyagrahi does not wait for others,
????????? (?? )??? ) / but throws himself into the fray,
\ ( (_/ relyng entirely on his own resources.
\_) (Mahatma Gandhi)
??????????????????
Frilans Bamse SE - HMJ
Br'er Rabbit etc.
Message 5 -
2000-03-01 at 16:33:55
> J?rgen Andreas Bangor wrote:
> And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
> problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
> problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
> him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
> duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
>
I'm white and as a kid I identified myself with Gottfredsons Mickey
Mouse, who is black.
I think that what you identifies with is the personality and not the
skin color.
> (Hmm, just think of what will happen when Disney Co. realises that their
> main character is black. Maybe Disney Co. will ban itself :-) )
>
/J.
> And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
> problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
> problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
> him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
> duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
>
I'm white and as a kid I identified myself with Gottfredsons Mickey
Mouse, who is black.
I think that what you identifies with is the personality and not the
skin color.
> (Hmm, just think of what will happen when Disney Co. realises that their
> main character is black. Maybe Disney Co. will ban itself :-) )
>
/J.
Anders Christian Sivebaek
#98 - Rabbits
Message 6 -
2000-03-01 at 17:40:14
J?rgen
I love your reviews. And this one made me think that I haven't actually
read no. 8, execept for part 2 of that continued story.
Imagine me sitting at the doctors reading that story. I started
sniffing, but I couldn't begin to cry I thought, people would look at
me. It really was so sad to see Scrooge at that state, and it was
great to see him wake up again.
B'rer Rabbit
That those stories and Hiawatha are banned in the US also confuses me.
What is political correctness? Not to show people how the
duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist of only whites and no Blacks or
Indians.
Not showing the stories I wouldn't call PC, buit censorship in some
way, and that's one of the things that indicates a, excuse me... sick
society.
BTW, it's extremely funny that those Rabbit story woiuld be banned
because one doesn't want to offend the black people. It was the black
slaves in the South who told those stories. Rabbit was then supposed to
be a smart black human and the bear and fox were the stupid white
slave-dealers.
Hiawatha is also a proud american poem (has Longfellow got anything to
do with this?).
I don't see why Indians, Blacks or any other "race" would be offended
to see themselves in a comic, as long as they are carricated in a bad
way.
Are all comics with Indians banned in the US? Does this mean you don't
see comic albums with Yakari, which are so great (But not
Disney-comics)
I love your reviews. And this one made me think that I haven't actually
read no. 8, execept for part 2 of that continued story.
Imagine me sitting at the doctors reading that story. I started
sniffing, but I couldn't begin to cry I thought, people would look at
me. It really was so sad to see Scrooge at that state, and it was
great to see him wake up again.
B'rer Rabbit
That those stories and Hiawatha are banned in the US also confuses me.
What is political correctness? Not to show people how the
duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist of only whites and no Blacks or
Indians.
Not showing the stories I wouldn't call PC, buit censorship in some
way, and that's one of the things that indicates a, excuse me... sick
society.
BTW, it's extremely funny that those Rabbit story woiuld be banned
because one doesn't want to offend the black people. It was the black
slaves in the South who told those stories. Rabbit was then supposed to
be a smart black human and the bear and fox were the stupid white
slave-dealers.
Hiawatha is also a proud american poem (has Longfellow got anything to
do with this?).
I don't see why Indians, Blacks or any other "race" would be offended
to see themselves in a comic, as long as they are carricated in a bad
way.
Are all comics with Indians banned in the US? Does this mean you don't
see comic albums with Yakari, which are so great (But not
Disney-comics)
Arie Fachrisal
Skin color
Message 7 -
2000-03-01 at 20:09:14
Jorgen sez
> And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
> problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
> problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
> him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
> duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew.
It will be very irrelevant. i think some (men) are white, some are black,
some are red (indians), and etc. and etc. but donald IMHO will claim himself
being duck. No color skin whatsoever thank you. Heck, you seriously don't
think the Beagle Boys are yellow and Mickey is black;-) The characters were
made to be universally accepted and so skin color doesn't apply here. Anyway
that's just my opinion.
Best,
> And another question, just because I'm curious. Being white, I have no
> problem with identifying myself with Donald Duck and all his everyday
> problems. Do black people (or people of any other race) indentify with
> him just as easily? I mean, I regard him as white, but being a feathered
> duck, the skin colour is sort of irrelevant.
Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew.
It will be very irrelevant. i think some (men) are white, some are black,
some are red (indians), and etc. and etc. but donald IMHO will claim himself
being duck. No color skin whatsoever thank you. Heck, you seriously don't
think the Beagle Boys are yellow and Mickey is black;-) The characters were
made to be universally accepted and so skin color doesn't apply here. Anyway
that's just my opinion.
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
Brer
Message 8 -
2000-03-01 at 20:20:31
Hi all,
So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may offense the
blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that dialect then? If
he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't include the dialect.
Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she oneself used
spoke in that dialect too???
Oh, and thanks Gerstein, Schulte, Sonia, Rodney for the "enlightment":-)
Best,
So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may offense the
blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that dialect then? If
he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't include the dialect.
Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she oneself used
spoke in that dialect too???
Oh, and thanks Gerstein, Schulte, Sonia, Rodney for the "enlightment":-)
Best,
Sonia_dyer
Brer Rabbit
Message 9 -
2000-03-01 at 21:00:08
The characters are mimicking black people's speech and behavior -
which makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits etc.).
Is this in itself offending?
My point is that the context the stories now would be published in (if
they were) is much different from the original context. Is it possible
for a child who reads the stories now, to see that they once pictured
a race of "lower value"?
And in a similar way, "Hiawatha" stories (or any stories with Indians)
are banned in the US, just because Indians could be offended by seeing
comic characters mimicking Indians.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I do understand that both black
Americans and Indians have a tough history behind them, but have this
weakened them to such extent that they can't bear to see a black or an
Indian comic character? I would appreciate an answer to this.
Hi Jorgen-
I understand your perspective. Perhaps in another hundred years
the Brer Rabbit and Hiawatha stories can be told in the USA in
the original form, and be accepted in their historical context.
In the interim, while many members of a previously discriminated
against ethnic group may not be so "sensitive" about it, others
are. One on-going example is the loud objections by some native
americans to American sports teams like the Braves or the Chiefs
being named in reference to indians, even though the names are
meant to imply courageous warriors. Similarly, in the original
Uncle Remus/Brer Rabbit stories, the rabbit was a very very
clever and inventive fellow. Go figure! I guess you have to
have walked a mile in their shoes for it to make sense. I can
only say that the majority of my black friends still feel they
are discriminated against, just not as openly as in the past.
Sonia
which makes them seen as "black people" (although being rabbits etc.).
Is this in itself offending?
My point is that the context the stories now would be published in (if
they were) is much different from the original context. Is it possible
for a child who reads the stories now, to see that they once pictured
a race of "lower value"?
And in a similar way, "Hiawatha" stories (or any stories with Indians)
are banned in the US, just because Indians could be offended by seeing
comic characters mimicking Indians.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I do understand that both black
Americans and Indians have a tough history behind them, but have this
weakened them to such extent that they can't bear to see a black or an
Indian comic character? I would appreciate an answer to this.
Hi Jorgen-
I understand your perspective. Perhaps in another hundred years
the Brer Rabbit and Hiawatha stories can be told in the USA in
the original form, and be accepted in their historical context.
In the interim, while many members of a previously discriminated
against ethnic group may not be so "sensitive" about it, others
are. One on-going example is the loud objections by some native
americans to American sports teams like the Braves or the Chiefs
being named in reference to indians, even though the names are
meant to imply courageous warriors. Similarly, in the original
Uncle Remus/Brer Rabbit stories, the rabbit was a very very
clever and inventive fellow. Go figure! I guess you have to
have walked a mile in their shoes for it to make sense. I can
only say that the majority of my black friends still feel they
are discriminated against, just not as openly as in the past.
Sonia
Bror.Hellman
Brer
Message 10 -
2000-03-02 at 09:23:49
> Hi all, So the dialogues were written in southern dialects which may
> offense the blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that
> dialect then? If he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't
include
> the dialect.
> Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she
> oneself used spoke in that dialect too???
Well, it's written in southern dialect because Bre'r Rabbit and the
other folks are what usually is known as "southern hicks" or farmer/
country folks. It's an old clich?. Even Goofy speaks similarily in
films.
It's used to depict uneducated, unsophisticated country people,
I don't think anyone could think that Bre'r Bear is ridiculing
"black" people.
I think Disney deliberately took away that accent and stopped
further Bre'r Rabbit stories of two reasons:
1) It's not generally nice to depict people as being more
stupid than others, at least it's not politically correct to
do so for a big multinational company with desperately tries
to uphold some sort of "correct" image.
So, in order to streamline EVERYTHING, almost ALL dialects
and accents are toned down.
2) Bre'r Rabbit, Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox originally comes from
the feature film "Song of the South", which in it's turn is based
on a collection of folktales, etc. called "Uncle Remus Tales".
Well, the narrator in this movie is an old black man. Depicted in
the fashion of the time, which today is much more controversial,
and is - in my opinion - very stereotypical.
Now, I live in Sweden, so I might have got some facts wrong,
but this is how I understand it.
Yours:
Bre'r Hellman
> offense the blacks. One question, why did the writer write in that
> dialect then? If he/she's some kind of racist, i think he/she wouldn't
include
> the dialect.
> Maybe IMO the writer was living in the southern which he/she
> oneself used spoke in that dialect too???
Well, it's written in southern dialect because Bre'r Rabbit and the
other folks are what usually is known as "southern hicks" or farmer/
country folks. It's an old clich?. Even Goofy speaks similarily in
films.
It's used to depict uneducated, unsophisticated country people,
I don't think anyone could think that Bre'r Bear is ridiculing
"black" people.
I think Disney deliberately took away that accent and stopped
further Bre'r Rabbit stories of two reasons:
1) It's not generally nice to depict people as being more
stupid than others, at least it's not politically correct to
do so for a big multinational company with desperately tries
to uphold some sort of "correct" image.
So, in order to streamline EVERYTHING, almost ALL dialects
and accents are toned down.
2) Bre'r Rabbit, Bre'r Bear and Bre'r Fox originally comes from
the feature film "Song of the South", which in it's turn is based
on a collection of folktales, etc. called "Uncle Remus Tales".
Well, the narrator in this movie is an old black man. Depicted in
the fashion of the time, which today is much more controversial,
and is - in my opinion - very stereotypical.
Now, I live in Sweden, so I might have got some facts wrong,
but this is how I understand it.
Yours:
Bre'r Hellman
Kriton Kyrimis
Komix #141
Message 11 -
2000-03-02 at 10:43:38
With a bit of a delay, here's what's in Komix #141 this month:
* A Donald Duck gag cover by Walt Kelly. You can see a scan at
http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141.jpg .
* A three-page article titled "In the Footsteps of MarcoPolo", subtitled
"He was the Man with the millions. Now, a duck is following his
footsteps..."
* Carl Barks' "Treasure of Marco Polo".
* A three-page article titled "The Story of Pinocchio", subtitled "Walt
Disney's classic masterpiece closes 60 years of life this year."
* Don Rosa's "A Matter of Some Gravity".
* Floyd Gottfredson's "Aunt Marissa".
* A one-page collage of drawings by John Lotter (sp?) and Scott Seeto (sp?)
titled "Disney's Great Ladies", Komix' contribution to Woman's Day on
March 8. You can see a scan of this page at
http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141a.jpg .
* A four-page article titled "The Great American School", subtitled
"The journey of comics on the other side of the Atlantic. (The Article's
title is contrived, so that it is reminiscent of the Greek title of the
"Police Academy" series of films.)
* A one-page article titled "From Cathay to Unsteadystan", subtitled
"Carl Barks, uncle Scrooge, and the treasure of Marco Polo".
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Small though it is, the human brain may be quite effective when used
properly!"
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* A Donald Duck gag cover by Walt Kelly. You can see a scan at
http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141.jpg .
* A three-page article titled "In the Footsteps of MarcoPolo", subtitled
"He was the Man with the millions. Now, a duck is following his
footsteps..."
* Carl Barks' "Treasure of Marco Polo".
* A three-page article titled "The Story of Pinocchio", subtitled "Walt
Disney's classic masterpiece closes 60 years of life this year."
* Don Rosa's "A Matter of Some Gravity".
* Floyd Gottfredson's "Aunt Marissa".
* A one-page collage of drawings by John Lotter (sp?) and Scott Seeto (sp?)
titled "Disney's Great Ladies", Komix' contribution to Woman's Day on
March 8. You can see a scan of this page at
http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/komix141a.jpg .
* A four-page article titled "The Great American School", subtitled
"The journey of comics on the other side of the Atlantic. (The Article's
title is contrived, so that it is reminiscent of the Greek title of the
"Police Academy" series of films.)
* A one-page article titled "From Cathay to Unsteadystan", subtitled
"Carl Barks, uncle Scrooge, and the treasure of Marco Polo".
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"Small though it is, the human brain may be quite effective when used
properly!"
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Jorgenb
Skin color
Message 12 -
2000-03-02 at 10:57:45
Arie:
| Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew.
[and some more]
I guess you and Bamse prove what I thought - that the skin colour is just
irrelevant.
BTW, it's funny that you call yourself yellow. When I was a kid we were
told that it was racist to call Asian people yellow. A lot of people
were politically correct on other's behalf in the seventies...
J?rgen
| Being yellow, i've never even think of any skin colour of Donald and crew.
[and some more]
I guess you and Bamse prove what I thought - that the skin colour is just
irrelevant.
BTW, it's funny that you call yourself yellow. When I was a kid we were
told that it was racist to call Asian people yellow. A lot of people
were politically correct on other's behalf in the seventies...
J?rgen
Jorgenb
Brer Rabbit
Message 13 -
2000-03-02 at 11:09:20
Hi, Sonia,
Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm just not familiar enough with
the situation of discriminated Americans to understand. This you
tell, about Indians complaining about names referring to Indians
it... it sounds just ridiculous to me.
Now, I do understand that a lot of non-white Americans still feel
discriminated, and in most cases I would support ways of fighting
against that. But, in my view, this banning hysteria must just
make things worse.
I do have some black friends, BTW, but they're all Africans, and
they don't seem to feel like they have much in common with black
Americans.
J?rgen
Thanks for your answer. I guess I'm just not familiar enough with
the situation of discriminated Americans to understand. This you
tell, about Indians complaining about names referring to Indians
it... it sounds just ridiculous to me.
Now, I do understand that a lot of non-white Americans still feel
discriminated, and in most cases I would support ways of fighting
against that. But, in my view, this banning hysteria must just
make things worse.
I do have some black friends, BTW, but they're all Africans, and
they don't seem to feel like they have much in common with black
Americans.
J?rgen
Jorgenb
#98 - Rabbits
Message 14 -
2000-03-02 at 11:25:31
Anders:
| I love your reviews.
Thanks. A new one (# 7)will arrive in a few minutes. Will try to send
the review of # 9 tomorrow. And, hey! You're "acsive"! I didn't notice
that until I saw your mailaddress now :-)
| And this one made me think that I haven't actually read no. 8,
I hate to say "me too", but now I do - although for me it was # 7.
I sat down to write the review, and then... "This I haven't read, and
this I haven't read". I'd already been told about the new continuation
story, so I moved right to it, and forgot about everything else - except
the Gerstein/Scarpa story (not because I had been told about it - but
because I noticed the first panel of it when looking for the last story).
This story by Andreas Pihl was really touching. I'll comment it in
tomorrow's review.
| What is political correctness?
It is a plague! A plague which we should fight to keep away from
Scandinavia and other more or less unaffected areas.
| Not to show people how the duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist
| of only whites and no Blacks or Indians.
That's exactly what's puzzling me too! I get the impression that
discriminated people are trying to remove any reference to them at
all. That might work, of course; if I don't know about black people,
I can't discriminate them either. But, on the other hand, being
ignorant rarely makes things better.
J?rgen
| I love your reviews.
Thanks. A new one (# 7)will arrive in a few minutes. Will try to send
the review of # 9 tomorrow. And, hey! You're "acsive"! I didn't notice
that until I saw your mailaddress now :-)
| And this one made me think that I haven't actually read no. 8,
I hate to say "me too", but now I do - although for me it was # 7.
I sat down to write the review, and then... "This I haven't read, and
this I haven't read". I'd already been told about the new continuation
story, so I moved right to it, and forgot about everything else - except
the Gerstein/Scarpa story (not because I had been told about it - but
because I noticed the first panel of it when looking for the last story).
This story by Andreas Pihl was really touching. I'll comment it in
tomorrow's review.
| What is political correctness?
It is a plague! A plague which we should fight to keep away from
Scandinavia and other more or less unaffected areas.
| Not to show people how the duckburg-world is? It doesn't consist
| of only whites and no Blacks or Indians.
That's exactly what's puzzling me too! I get the impression that
discriminated people are trying to remove any reference to them at
all. That might work, of course; if I don't know about black people,
I can't discriminate them either. But, on the other hand, being
ignorant rarely makes things better.
J?rgen
Jorgenb
Donald Duck & Co # 7 - 2000
Message 15 -
2000-03-02 at 11:52:16
Donald Duck & Co # 7 - 2000
Dutch front cover, showing Donald's nephews in a hair dresser's
chair wearing big helmets, so the the hairdresser cannot cut their...
er... down?
The first story, about Donald Duck, (D 99049, 10 pages) is written and
drawn by William van Horn.
Again Donald's nephews come home with a lot of new Woodchuck medals,
this time bacause they have survived for two days in a wild valley.
Donald is not impressed. He can do that for twice as long time - and
he's going to prove it. If he can, he'll do the dish washing for a
month, and if he can't, the nephews will do it.
Donald has some luck, and quite a lot of misfortune. A big and furious
bear makes life in the valley a bit difficult. At last, but before the
four days have passed, Donald and the bear end up on a piece of timber
floating down a river. Closer to Duckburg they bump into a dinghy with
a couple of crooks who've kidnapped the city's mayor. Donald rescues him.
Donald hasn't stayed in the valley for four days, but he did come home
with a medal, so for a month they do the dish washing together.
Not much of a story, really, but a lot of good gags. And I like
van Horn's art better and better. He doesn't make Donald look like a
surrealistic lunatic anymore.
Next is an old one-pager (KF 03-08-53).
Then the Mickey Mouse story (History Re-Petes Itself, D 99156, 12 pages)
written by David Gerstein, and drawn by Romano Scarpa.
Mickey has gotten a mysterious invitation to a birthday party. It looks
a bit scary, but Mickey's too curious not to go. Suddenly he's grabbed
and pulled through a window by Black Pete. He has stolen a ray gun which
turns people into babies (who then grows into adults again in fourteen
days). Pete plans to use it on Mickey, and raise him as a scoundrel.
Unfortunately for Pete, he's hit himself. Mickey uses his idea, and
plans to raise him as an honest person. All his friends offer to take
their part of the raising. Little Pete shows up to be a real rascal, but
he's also cute and charming.
As the days pass, Pete grows older, and he starts to scare Mickey's
friends. Although he seems to act like a normal kid, he shows some
tendencies they don't like. On Pete's birthday, he and Mickey goes for
a canoe ride. Suddenly the canoe hits a rock in the river, and Mickey's
thrown into a water fall. Fortunately his backpack gets stuck on an old
branch. Now Pete reveals that he's kept his old personality all the time,
and has just pretended that he was growing up anew. He turns his back to
Mickey, and will just wait there until his birthday wish is fullfilled -
that the branch snaps and Mickey dies.
Then suddenly, Mickey hits him in the back. He's kept the ray gun, and
with it he gave the branch back its youth, and the strength to throw him
back up. Pete and Mickey start to fight on the edge of the water fall, and
it looks bad for Mickey. Then his friends suddenly arrive, and save him.
They had decided to give Black Pete another chance, and showed up at the
right time.
After it's all over Mickey wonders about how he'd liked Pete if he had
become honest. At the same time Black Pete sits in his cell trying his
best not to like Mickey.
As you'll see, I have spent more room on this story than I use to. It
deserves it. And it really deserves a lot more space, but you'd better
read the story yourselves to see.
With a very few exceptions I've thought your stories were pretty good,
David, but this time you've made a _really_ good one. Once you told me
(jokingly) that you put the characters into the story, and then let
their personalities run the story. It does show that this is what you've
been doing here. But it's not quite that simple, of course. A lot of
thinking is needed in creating the personalities, and then "living"
them. And created them, you have - based on stories by Gottfredson and
Scarpa. And this is, in my opinion, the only way to make a good story.
The writer has to somehow "live" the stories he's telling. Anyone can
write a simple Mickey story, based on the Murry mouse, for instance;
it's just to use a predefined plan. But to write a story which makes the
reader believe that this "is", that's a lot more demanding, and it's not
everyone's gift to be able to do it. Don Rosa does it with Donald and his
relatives (and so does Andreas Pihl, provided the story D 99171 starting
in this issue is not just an accident), and you, David, obviously have
acquired (through hard work, of course) the ability to do it with Mickey
and his universe. Good work! I hope we'll see more of this.
And the art. It wouldn't make justice to Scarpa just to say a few words
about it. One really have to see it. Normally I don't like to rate artists,
but some are of course much better than others. And now Scarpa is certainly
on top of my "favourite list" of Egmont Mickey artists - with Ferioli on
a very good second. It's the same with artists as with writers, I suppose,
that they need a strong relation with the character their drawing to make
it "live". And in Scarpa's case the relation is obvious. At the same time
the artist must be confident with the written story. Personally I'm drawing
much worse than Rosa, so I haven't the slightest idea how this works.
Still, after having read most Disney stories ever published in Norway, I
think I've got the ability to see whether an artist cares about the story
he's drawing or not. In this case he does.
Dutch front cover, showing Donald's nephews in a hair dresser's
chair wearing big helmets, so the the hairdresser cannot cut their...
er... down?
The first story, about Donald Duck, (D 99049, 10 pages) is written and
drawn by William van Horn.
Again Donald's nephews come home with a lot of new Woodchuck medals,
this time bacause they have survived for two days in a wild valley.
Donald is not impressed. He can do that for twice as long time - and
he's going to prove it. If he can, he'll do the dish washing for a
month, and if he can't, the nephews will do it.
Donald has some luck, and quite a lot of misfortune. A big and furious
bear makes life in the valley a bit difficult. At last, but before the
four days have passed, Donald and the bear end up on a piece of timber
floating down a river. Closer to Duckburg they bump into a dinghy with
a couple of crooks who've kidnapped the city's mayor. Donald rescues him.
Donald hasn't stayed in the valley for four days, but he did come home
with a medal, so for a month they do the dish washing together.
Not much of a story, really, but a lot of good gags. And I like
van Horn's art better and better. He doesn't make Donald look like a
surrealistic lunatic anymore.
Next is an old one-pager (KF 03-08-53).
Then the Mickey Mouse story (History Re-Petes Itself, D 99156, 12 pages)
written by David Gerstein, and drawn by Romano Scarpa.
Mickey has gotten a mysterious invitation to a birthday party. It looks
a bit scary, but Mickey's too curious not to go. Suddenly he's grabbed
and pulled through a window by Black Pete. He has stolen a ray gun which
turns people into babies (who then grows into adults again in fourteen
days). Pete plans to use it on Mickey, and raise him as a scoundrel.
Unfortunately for Pete, he's hit himself. Mickey uses his idea, and
plans to raise him as an honest person. All his friends offer to take
their part of the raising. Little Pete shows up to be a real rascal, but
he's also cute and charming.
As the days pass, Pete grows older, and he starts to scare Mickey's
friends. Although he seems to act like a normal kid, he shows some
tendencies they don't like. On Pete's birthday, he and Mickey goes for
a canoe ride. Suddenly the canoe hits a rock in the river, and Mickey's
thrown into a water fall. Fortunately his backpack gets stuck on an old
branch. Now Pete reveals that he's kept his old personality all the time,
and has just pretended that he was growing up anew. He turns his back to
Mickey, and will just wait there until his birthday wish is fullfilled -
that the branch snaps and Mickey dies.
Then suddenly, Mickey hits him in the back. He's kept the ray gun, and
with it he gave the branch back its youth, and the strength to throw him
back up. Pete and Mickey start to fight on the edge of the water fall, and
it looks bad for Mickey. Then his friends suddenly arrive, and save him.
They had decided to give Black Pete another chance, and showed up at the
right time.
After it's all over Mickey wonders about how he'd liked Pete if he had
become honest. At the same time Black Pete sits in his cell trying his
best not to like Mickey.
As you'll see, I have spent more room on this story than I use to. It
deserves it. And it really deserves a lot more space, but you'd better
read the story yourselves to see.
With a very few exceptions I've thought your stories were pretty good,
David, but this time you've made a _really_ good one. Once you told me
(jokingly) that you put the characters into the story, and then let
their personalities run the story. It does show that this is what you've
been doing here. But it's not quite that simple, of course. A lot of
thinking is needed in creating the personalities, and then "living"
them. And created them, you have - based on stories by Gottfredson and
Scarpa. And this is, in my opinion, the only way to make a good story.
The writer has to somehow "live" the stories he's telling. Anyone can
write a simple Mickey story, based on the Murry mouse, for instance;
it's just to use a predefined plan. But to write a story which makes the
reader believe that this "is", that's a lot more demanding, and it's not
everyone's gift to be able to do it. Don Rosa does it with Donald and his
relatives (and so does Andreas Pihl, provided the story D 99171 starting
in this issue is not just an accident), and you, David, obviously have
acquired (through hard work, of course) the ability to do it with Mickey
and his universe. Good work! I hope we'll see more of this.
And the art. It wouldn't make justice to Scarpa just to say a few words
about it. One really have to see it. Normally I don't like to rate artists,
but some are of course much better than others. And now Scarpa is certainly
on top of my "favourite list" of Egmont Mickey artists - with Ferioli on
a very good second. It's the same with artists as with writers, I suppose,
that they need a strong relation with the character their drawing to make
it "live". And in Scarpa's case the relation is obvious. At the same time
the artist must be confident with the written story. Personally I'm drawing
much worse than Rosa, so I haven't the slightest idea how this works.
Still, after having read most Disney stories ever published in Norway, I
think I've got the ability to see whether an artist cares about the story
he's drawing or not. In this case he does.