>From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:14:25 +0700
>i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM
>story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden
>things???
Yes, this one ("MM outvists the Phantom Blot" from 1939) is one of the best
MM stories I have ever read! More like this is needed!
>>From: Juliet Violette <julietv at email.com>
>>I was wondering... did Carl Barks "invent" Uncle Scrooge? and if so, was
>>he working for Disney or another company?
>Yep, when he was working for Western Publishing if i'm not mistaken.
Correct. "Cristmas on Bear Mountain" was first published in 1947.
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Stefan Persson
DCML digest, Vol 1 #118 - 8 msgs
Message 136 -
2000-03-20 at 22:45:01
Sandven, Halvor
The Ducks are taking over
Message 137 -
2000-03-21 at 10:43:18
Hello!
I just have to make some more comments regarding the increase of
Duck-stories in the weeklies. Besides the danish weekly, I have also run my
system on the dutch and german weeklies, and have found much of the same
results here. The danish publication had in 1999 70,6% duck-related stories
(the highest ever), and 21,2 Mickey-related stories, leaving only 8,2% for
the wolves, rabbits etc. The german publication had this year 74,4%
duck-related stories (also the highest ever) and 20,0% Mickey-related
stories. This was the lowest persentage since 1963. This leaves only 5,6% to
other stuff. The dutch weekly had 60,6% duck-related stories, and this is
about average for the 90ies. There were only 6,0% Mickey-related stories,
and this is also about average for the last years. This leaves 33,4% for
other stuff.
Details will be sent to those who have asked for this.
In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the
Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the
main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about
average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good
stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck
and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's
important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to
my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam
Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future
generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age.
People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that
these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult
readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good.
There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit.
I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's
the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a
fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the
dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories
in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff.
What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject?
---Halvor
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I just have to make some more comments regarding the increase of
Duck-stories in the weeklies. Besides the danish weekly, I have also run my
system on the dutch and german weeklies, and have found much of the same
results here. The danish publication had in 1999 70,6% duck-related stories
(the highest ever), and 21,2 Mickey-related stories, leaving only 8,2% for
the wolves, rabbits etc. The german publication had this year 74,4%
duck-related stories (also the highest ever) and 20,0% Mickey-related
stories. This was the lowest persentage since 1963. This leaves only 5,6% to
other stuff. The dutch weekly had 60,6% duck-related stories, and this is
about average for the 90ies. There were only 6,0% Mickey-related stories,
and this is also about average for the last years. This leaves 33,4% for
other stuff.
Details will be sent to those who have asked for this.
In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the
Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the
main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about
average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good
stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck
and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's
important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to
my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam
Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future
generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age.
People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that
these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult
readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good.
There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit.
I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's
the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a
fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the
dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories
in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff.
What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject?
---Halvor
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Arie Fachrisal
Mm outwits Phantom Blot
Message 138 -
2000-03-21 at 18:04:30
> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> Yes, this one ("MM outvists the Phantom Blot" from 1939) is one of the
best
> MM stories I have ever read! More like this is needed!
Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding car
IS a sight to be seen and remembered. i really like that part and laugh at
the "gag". it was so nicely done and cute how MM chose to swipe off that
camera from a helpless but somewhat stubborn little girl. i agree with you,
this kind of stories should be done more. there's always a bad side in
ourselves, just how and when depends on the situation. BTW another example
of this should be DD in the Golden Helmet, now that showed me that even
heroes can have a gleam in their eyes;-) So are Dd and the Prof real heroes,
nah...the nephews...nah...one of the nephews actually had a gleam in his eye
and heaven knows what will happen if the helmet wasn't thrown away, might as
well all the characters in the story have gleams in their eyes:-)
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
> Yes, this one ("MM outvists the Phantom Blot" from 1939) is one of the
best
> MM stories I have ever read! More like this is needed!
Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding car
IS a sight to be seen and remembered. i really like that part and laugh at
the "gag". it was so nicely done and cute how MM chose to swipe off that
camera from a helpless but somewhat stubborn little girl. i agree with you,
this kind of stories should be done more. there's always a bad side in
ourselves, just how and when depends on the situation. BTW another example
of this should be DD in the Golden Helmet, now that showed me that even
heroes can have a gleam in their eyes;-) So are Dd and the Prof real heroes,
nah...the nephews...nah...one of the nephews actually had a gleam in his eye
and heaven knows what will happen if the helmet wasn't thrown away, might as
well all the characters in the story have gleams in their eyes:-)
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
Kristian Pedersen
Character categories
Message 139 -
2000-03-21 at 19:23:00
Arie Fachrisal wrote:
>>>What is the relation between Mickey
and Jaq&Gus? Cousins? Long cousins? Very long relatives? Very-very long
relatives? Very-very-very long ones? Or not at all?
and Don Rosa wrote:
>>>But what's more amusing to do, and which we've done on here from time to
time, is try to count the number of different types of characters there are
in
Disney comics.
Apart from the categories Don mention, one that springs to my mind is the
anthropomorphized (if such a word exists!) little boat and his father. Their
rare occurrences in the Danish weekly always mystified me when I was a
child!
Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human
clothes
AND horse gear at the same time. I think I remember an old strip in which
he's
much more horse-like and Mickey is trying to tame him. Can this be true? And
are
there other characters that have evolved that drastically?
Kristian Pedersen
(Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!)
>>>What is the relation between Mickey
and Jaq&Gus? Cousins? Long cousins? Very long relatives? Very-very long
relatives? Very-very-very long ones? Or not at all?
and Don Rosa wrote:
>>>But what's more amusing to do, and which we've done on here from time to
time, is try to count the number of different types of characters there are
in
Disney comics.
Apart from the categories Don mention, one that springs to my mind is the
anthropomorphized (if such a word exists!) little boat and his father. Their
rare occurrences in the Danish weekly always mystified me when I was a
child!
Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human
clothes
AND horse gear at the same time. I think I remember an old strip in which
he's
much more horse-like and Mickey is trying to tame him. Can this be true? And
are
there other characters that have evolved that drastically?
Kristian Pedersen
(Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!)
Alexgoe
The Ducks are taking over/
Message 140 -
2000-03-21 at 22:34:01
Hi!
Arie:
> > Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd
> > like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other
> countries
> > so, too. Does anybody know something about this?
> i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM
> story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden
> things??? and he actually swipe a camera from a little girl, now that's
> revolting, it aint somethin i see everyday. Most Mm stories are just too
> boring and cliche with guessable endings (except for good works from Floyd
> and Murry). In my country people also prefers the ducks than the mice.
I should tell that I'm not such a big fan of the MM-stories, but when I see
the
some Duck-stories with every time the same story, I prefer reading the ones
about Mickey. Maybe the stories in the weeklies (the stories after ~ 1994) are
a bit complex and ordinar (beside the Rosa or Barks ones)... IMO they are made
for younger kids, at the age of 8-10. The most important thing in these
stories is
in my impression action and not a good story.
Maybe I dislike them because I'm a fan of the Italian stories, artists and
writers which aren't published in our weekly. Their Mickey-stories are better
than the Egmont stories, just remember the great time-machine stories! MM,
for instance detective stories written by good authors.
Halvor:
> In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the
> Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the
> main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about
> average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good
> stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck
> and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's
> important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to
> my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam
> Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future
> generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age.
> People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that
> these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult
> readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good.
> There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit.
> I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's
> the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a
> fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the
> dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories
> in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff.
>
> What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject?
In my opinion the quality of the stories nowadays isn't very high, it turned
down in the 90ies. Even the Ducks, MM or other stories, they are on a
low level. I hope that these stories will change their principels, meaning
not making them based on action and with a more intelligent story. I guess
that these new stories aren't so popular, because in our weekly often old
Barks stories are published...
Alex
Arie:
> > Maybe Mickey isn't so requested any more like he was years ago. So I'd
> > like to ask other members of the mailing list if this is in other
> countries
> > so, too. Does anybody know something about this?
> i am bored reading most MM stories cause of his perfection. i remember a MM
> story by Gottfredson where MM must get several cameras to check for hidden
> things??? and he actually swipe a camera from a little girl, now that's
> revolting, it aint somethin i see everyday. Most Mm stories are just too
> boring and cliche with guessable endings (except for good works from Floyd
> and Murry). In my country people also prefers the ducks than the mice.
I should tell that I'm not such a big fan of the MM-stories, but when I see
the
some Duck-stories with every time the same story, I prefer reading the ones
about Mickey. Maybe the stories in the weeklies (the stories after ~ 1994) are
a bit complex and ordinar (beside the Rosa or Barks ones)... IMO they are made
for younger kids, at the age of 8-10. The most important thing in these
stories is
in my impression action and not a good story.
Maybe I dislike them because I'm a fan of the Italian stories, artists and
writers which aren't published in our weekly. Their Mickey-stories are better
than the Egmont stories, just remember the great time-machine stories! MM,
for instance detective stories written by good authors.
Halvor:
> In my opinion there are a bit too much Duck-related stories in the
> Scandinavian and German weeklies. Of course, good Duck-stories may be the
> main reason to buy these comics, but many of these stories are just about
> average. I would like to see fewer of average Duck-stories, and more good
> stories of the wolves and rabbits and so on. Also, many of these non-Duck
> and non-Mickey stories appeal to the youngest readers, and I think it's
> important that there's som stuff to them too. I like to read the weeklies to
> my children, and my daughter, who is 5 years, often prefers stories by Madam
> Mim and Grandma Duck. To keep the interest in the weeklies for future
> generations, there should be a variety of stories to read for every age.
> People like Gil Turner, Paul Murry, Al Hubbard and so on, have shown us that
> these kind of stories can be very good, and also may appeal to more adult
> readers. A newer artist like David, is also quite good.
> There seems to be a decline of Mouse-stories too, and this worries me a bit.
> I think the quality of these stories nowadays is very high, and often it's
> the Mickey-story I enjoy most in the weekly. Then it's a shame that only a
> fifth of the comic is dedicated to Mickey and friends. I really pity the
> dutch readers who don't get to read many of these very good Mickey-stories
> in their weekly. On the other hand they got more of other stuff.
>
> What do other members on this mailing-list think of this subject?
In my opinion the quality of the stories nowadays isn't very high, it turned
down in the 90ies. Even the Ducks, MM or other stories, they are on a
low level. I hope that these stories will change their principels, meaning
not making them based on action and with a more intelligent story. I guess
that these new stories aren't so popular, because in our weekly often old
Barks stories are published...
Alex
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #102 - 4 msgs
Message 141 -
2000-03-22 at 09:07:13
ARIE:
> MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
in doing Mickey stories...
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"That is the dematerializing control, and that over yonder is the horizontal
hold. Up there is the scanner, those are the doors, that is a chair with a
panda on it, sheer poetry dear boy!"
-----
> MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
in doing Mickey stories...
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"That is the dematerializing control, and that over yonder is the horizontal
hold. Up there is the scanner, those are the doors, that is a chair with a
panda on it, sheer poetry dear boy!"
-----
Stefan Persson
Mm outwits Phantom Blot
Message 142 -
2000-03-22 at 11:23:39
>From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:04:30 +0700
>Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding
>car IS a sight to be seen and remembered.
And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More like
this is wanted!
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>Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding
>car IS a sight to be seen and remembered.
And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More like
this is wanted!
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Namedropping on MM talents
Message 143 -
2000-03-22 at 16:40:20
Arie:
> > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
Kriton:
> Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
> in doing Mickey stories...
I too find the Mickey stories generally to be the best part of the Egmont
weeklies - even when they are not by Gerstein and Scarpa! :-)
But along with good art by Ferioli and Rodrigues and very good stories
especially by Stefan Petrucha and Sarah Kinney, there is also a lot of
things going on in Italy. Especially Tito Faraci, whose work on a few
stories in the Topolino weekly has drawn attention, is getting good
reviews for his work on Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine. This is a book
similar in format to "Paperinik New Adventures", but with Mickey in
the role of the classic American 'gumshoe' detective in the Dixon Hill
tradition. It's got plenty of atmosphere and clever dialog and it's way
better than Egmont's failed attempt at the same approach a few years ago.
Egmont insiders: what's the word on Byron Erickson and Giorgio Cavazzano's
upcoming mega-epic "Huey, Dewey and Louie: World of the Dragonlords"?
When and where should we start looking for the beginning of this long saga?
Kristian Pedersen: Welcome back! Any new stories in the pipes for your fans?
oLe
_U
> > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
Kriton:
> Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
> in doing Mickey stories...
I too find the Mickey stories generally to be the best part of the Egmont
weeklies - even when they are not by Gerstein and Scarpa! :-)
But along with good art by Ferioli and Rodrigues and very good stories
especially by Stefan Petrucha and Sarah Kinney, there is also a lot of
things going on in Italy. Especially Tito Faraci, whose work on a few
stories in the Topolino weekly has drawn attention, is getting good
reviews for his work on Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine. This is a book
similar in format to "Paperinik New Adventures", but with Mickey in
the role of the classic American 'gumshoe' detective in the Dixon Hill
tradition. It's got plenty of atmosphere and clever dialog and it's way
better than Egmont's failed attempt at the same approach a few years ago.
Egmont insiders: what's the word on Byron Erickson and Giorgio Cavazzano's
upcoming mega-epic "Huey, Dewey and Louie: World of the Dragonlords"?
When and where should we start looking for the beginning of this long saga?
Kristian Pedersen: Welcome back! Any new stories in the pipes for your fans?
oLe
_U
Arie Fachrisal
DCML digest, Vol 1 #120 - 5 msgs
Message 144 -
2000-03-22 at 16:41:47
> From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
> ARIE:
>
> > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
>
> Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
> in doing Mickey stories...
Well, er.....to be true, i didn't mean *that* talent when i wrote that line
down. i just mean any artist who is capable to make very good stories is
still to be searched and found in this duck-crazed world. BTW i'm sure if
*that* talent were willing to do just one MM story, maybe MM will find his
long-awaited glory once again. But that's probably a Mission Impossible
thing to do.
Back to lurking mode,
Arie Fachrisal
> ARIE:
>
> > MM is waiting for *that* talent that will
> > bring him once again as the true highlight of Disney.
>
> Well, *that* talent has stated more than once that he's not interested
> in doing Mickey stories...
Well, er.....to be true, i didn't mean *that* talent when i wrote that line
down. i just mean any artist who is capable to make very good stories is
still to be searched and found in this duck-crazed world. BTW i'm sure if
*that* talent were willing to do just one MM story, maybe MM will find his
long-awaited glory once again. But that's probably a Mission Impossible
thing to do.
Back to lurking mode,
Arie Fachrisal
Marco Barlotti
Kristian Pedersen
Message 145 -
2000-03-22 at 17:53:14
At 18:23:00 21/03/00 +0100, Kristian Pedersen wrote:
>
>(Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!)
>
Well, in case you don't remember Kristian, taste his cleverness at
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Stones.html
;-)
Welcome back, Kristian!
Marco
>
>(Just back on the ML after two-year absence in case somebody remembers me!)
>
Well, in case you don't remember Kristian, taste his cleverness at
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Stones.html
;-)
Welcome back, Kristian!
Marco
Arie Fachrisal
Character categories
Message 146 -
2000-03-22 at 17:59:00
> From: Kristian Pedersen <K.Pedersen at Oberthurcs.com>
> Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human
> clothes
> AND horse gear at the same time.
Now that you mention it, now i see it. i never realize that part before.
Wow, thanks and it IS sure an odd thing for good ol Horace to wear that
gear. Maybe he's thinking the gear as his "accessory" to his clothes???
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
> Also, I think Horace Horsecollar is a bit of an oddity, wearing human
> clothes
> AND horse gear at the same time.
Now that you mention it, now i see it. i never realize that part before.
Wow, thanks and it IS sure an odd thing for good ol Horace to wear that
gear. Maybe he's thinking the gear as his "accessory" to his clothes???
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
Arie Fachrisal
Mm outwits Phantom Blot
Message 147 -
2000-03-22 at 18:03:53
> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> >From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
> >Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding
> >car IS a sight to be seen and remembered.
>
> And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More
like
> this is wanted!
But which artist dare to make MM that "evil" yet more humanistic features?
Disney certainly want to make their mascot a perfect role model for the kids
though i think that the ducks are better role model than MM because of their
similarities with human's twisted egos and behaviors:-)
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
> >From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id>
> >Yes, the evil grin on Mickey's face when he's running away in a speeding
> >car IS a sight to be seen and remembered.
>
> And also all the ways the Blot is trying to kill Mickey, are good. More
like
> this is wanted!
But which artist dare to make MM that "evil" yet more humanistic features?
Disney certainly want to make their mascot a perfect role model for the kids
though i think that the ducks are better role model than MM because of their
similarities with human's twisted egos and behaviors:-)
Best,
Arie Fachrisal
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Hello?
Message 148 -
2000-03-25 at 08:11:20
I wonder why I didn't get my digest the past 2 days.
I have to remind myself that IU have some subjects to talk about:
The new weeklies editorials, the campaign of the danish Lo$-book in
1997/1998
and hopefully my catches today, when I go to a big market.
On the danish list, we've been talking about a barks Library that
should come out in DK. It seems that it will be much like the Gold Book
that we already have, so practically all of us would like better to see
a Scarpa, Strobl or Rosa-Library.
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
I have to remind myself that IU have some subjects to talk about:
The new weeklies editorials, the campaign of the danish Lo$-book in
1997/1998
and hopefully my catches today, when I go to a big market.
On the danish list, we've been talking about a barks Library that
should come out in DK. It seems that it will be much like the Gold Book
that we already have, so practically all of us would like better to see
a Scarpa, Strobl or Rosa-Library.
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Vainio Jyrki
Erlangen Salon
Message 149 -
2000-03-25 at 14:25:52
Can any of the list members help me to find information on the Erlangen
Comics Festival? Will there be one this year? Do they have a web site?
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland
Comics Festival? Will there be one this year? Do they have a web site?
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland
Arie Fachrisal
DCML digest, Vol 1 #120 - 5 msgs
Message 150 -
2000-03-25 at 18:53:39
Hi all,
Funny....since this DCML digest vol 1 #120-5msgs on 22nd March, i haven't
received any digest from this mailing list. Is there something wrong with my
mail program or everybody also don't get any digest since???
thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal
Funny....since this DCML digest vol 1 #120-5msgs on 22nd March, i haven't
received any digest from this mailing list. Is there something wrong with my
mail program or everybody also don't get any digest since???
thanks in advance,
Arie Fachrisal