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>>>Dear DCML members i'm a new member from Nicosia in Cyprus and i read the
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>>>greek disney magazines.

Welcome to DCML, Agridiotis!
Best Wishes

Apostolis Trikourakis, Athens
E-mail: komix43 at hotmail.com & komix at compulink.gr
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/komixgreekpage
DCML member

Imagine this scenario: you own a copy of the printed comic book UNCLE
SCROOGE 386, the latest issue of Gladstone's third or fourth run of
publishing. Your neighbor is considering buying it, but doesn't know if the
stories are ones he wants to spend $7 on. So you lend him your copy, and it
turns out that he hates the stories in it. Ergo, he does not spend the $7
to buy his own copy. Have you, therefore, robbed Gladstone of $7, even if
you didn't get any money yourself?

(I appreciate the web, but find cyber-comic-reading aggravating--it feels
inherently like I'm just borrowing a "copy" which is not my own.)

--Jonathan Markoff

Dear DCML members i'm a new member from Nicosia in Cyprus and i read the greek disney magazines.

Dear DCML members i searched for the story "Three Caballeros ride Again". If
anybody have it please message me

I've been remiss in not responding to this list for months on end, but I do
at least glance over it when it comes in, and often I read parts of it, no
matter how busy I am. And I SHOULD respond to a lot of stuff here. I just --
well, don't.

But I absolutely can not let this interpretation of the "Fair Use" section
of U.S. copyright law go unresponded-to, because those who act on it may
find themselves very badly hurt. Remember, we are dealing with DISNEY.

"Fair Use" MAY mean that you can make ONE COPY of something which is out of
print, and hand it privately to a colleague for purposes of study. It does
NOT mean you can put it out on the Web for absolutely anybody in the world
to download. It's true that the Web didn't exist when the law was written,
and new interpretations will be called for -- but the very strong trend is
for Web posting to be considered "publication", not "making a copy"; and if
you PUBLISH a complete copyrighted work, you are very definitely violating
the owner's copyright.

Furthermore, last month's comic book is not "out of print" in any meaningful
way. It may very well be that copies are still available from the publisher
(which is what "in print" means) -- in fact, I'll bet quite a few of
Gladstone's comics still are. And even if it does flicker out of print for a
moment, who's to say they don't have a reprint headed for the distributor
even now? Or next month? Or next year? The publisher's ownership of the
material does not evaporate the moment the last copy leaves the warehouse,
nor does its legal ability to control distribution. In any case, a recent
comic book should be easily available to anyone who goes looking and is
willing to pay; and therefore re-publishing it violates the spirit, if not
the absolute narrowest interpretation of the letter of the law.

Picture yourself alone in court, with a hundred Disney lawyers glaring at
you, as are the judge and the jury, and you're saying, "Uh, it was kinda,
well, out of print, y'know, so nobody could get it anymore, and, um..."

Remember, again, who we are dealing with here.

And even STILL furthermore, there's a new U.S. copyright law coming into
effect right about now, and preliminary reports are that "Fair Use" is going
to be a lot harder to justify. Especially when you're dealing with -- well,
the people we're dealing with.

A good rule of thumb about copyrights is that anything, absolutely anything
at all, is protected by copyright if the person claiming it has a lawyer;
and nothing, absolutely nothing at all, is protected by copyright if the
person claiming it doesn't have a lawyer. And if there's one thing Disney
has, it's lawyers.

As to the "Robin Hood" question -- i.e., does Disney have a MORAL right to
its property? I'm not going to get into that, because I haven't fully
thought it through, and probably won't live long enough to fully think it
through. My gut reaction says corporations are not human beings and
therefore don't have the rights of human beings; on the other hand, saying
an entity doesn't have "moral" rights to what it owns looks an awful lot
like the top of a slippery slope, and I'm an owner of intellectual property
myself.

Anybody who wants to post Disney comics on the Web does so at his own risk.
Period. We can argue among ourselves till the cows come home about whether
or not it's okay to do so, but they're the ones you'd have to convince, and
they are notoriously difficult to convince on this point.

Your best bet is to hope they don't catch you. And all I can say with
absolute certainty is that I won't be the one to blow the whistle on you.

Quack, Don

Quack, Don

Read The Daily QuackT Monday thru Saturday:
http://www.back.to/quack

Hi
I'm a duckhunter.
I'm one of those who has scanned stories, again like
everyone else who does so, not for personal profit,
but for the good of fans.
We published the coin last year at Christmas on
duckhunt... So did we take any money from Picsou doing
that? I don't really think so... The issue may have
been sold out at the time we put the story online.
What happened when we put it online that i got many
thank you's and questions about certain pages that
they couldn't download because I'm a yerk at
uploading.
Some nice people, including the author himself warned
us about Disney but nothing happened, and nothing has
happened yet.
Also we scanned this year the story Attaaaaaack, and
put it online. This time we got a nice warning from a
duckhunt-reader who advised us to take the scans away
from the main-page where we linked to them, so we did.
Now, they're just another place, and one of us carries
somehow the repsonsibility.
Our philosophy about putting those two stories online
has been to show them to american and european readers
who didn't read english, and it still is. Now the
story is published in France, Finland and Holland, so
the people from these countries wont have to look at
our page, cause they wont find Don's dialogue there...
only one that I amaturistic translated from french...
with help from nice people.
The case is the same with the Attaaaaaack-story.
Still, the story hasn't been published anywhere else
than those places, and we hvae it there for that
reason. I wonder if we should move it when (hopefully)
Egmont publishes the story in the 3 scandinavian
weeklies. Some american fans still might not have seen
the story.
If our publishing of those stories has helped some
people to discover the talent of Don Rosa, we
fullfilled the purpouse by putting them online.

One thing. I think it was my friend Apostolis or
someone else who has the finnish scans of the
Kalevala-story online... That's funny... Now, of
course we heard that AA has 1,1 million readers, but
they probably have the book... all other nationalities
might not be that strong in finnish... But then they
can do as I did before I learned reading (via the
dansih weekly), read the pictures. The original
dialogue is only known by the publishers and Don
himself, I should think...

Sorry for sending the whole oldlist in connection with
this mail, I'm thinking about forgiving myself
sometime tomorrow.

BTW If I disappear from the list someday you may
expect that some MIB from Di$ney hunted all the
duckhunters down... as though we were ducks in the
hunting season.

AC

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Anders Christian Sivebaek
acsive at yahoo.com

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Hi!
if someone is intrested i see the brazilian cover of Kalevala take a look
at:

http://www.uol.com.br/abriljovem/disney/outubro00/lancamentos.htm

That's it! Ah, there are any brazilian Disney comic published in any other
country THIS year? Abril produced a lot off Z? Carioca, Donald Duck and
Mickey Mouse comics this year and I like to know if any of then is exported!
Maybe Italy?

Many thanks,
Fernando!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando Ventura" <fernandopventura at uol.com.br>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: Kalevala's Brazilian cover and 2000 Abril

>That's it! Ah, there are any brazilian Disney comic published in any other
country THIS year?

B 820273 (Djungelankan och eldens herre!) was published in Kalle Ankas
Pocket 246 (June 2000).