Keskustelujen arkisto

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Author

Topic: 200010

(203 messages)
Francesco Spreafico
From: "Antonio Svevi" <robert662 at caramail.com>

>In all European comics I know of, authors get paid
>every time one of their stories is reprinted, in any
>country.

Not in Italy and not by Disney Italia as long as I think to remember.
--
Sprea
Paulo Melo
Hi all.

Probably the European country that prints more stories produced
in Brazil is Portugal. To answer the request of Arthur Faria Jr. (Artur,
obrigado pelas historias do Pena Kid) and also to describe to the readers
of this list what kind of stories Brazil is exporting nowadays, I made a
list of the Brazilian stories published this year in the Disney magazine I
subscribe to: HiperDisney

HiperDisney is a (more or less) monthly Portuguese magazine, featuring 260
pages (short "Brazilian" sized) of usually "older" Disney comics, some
"Disney news" and short articles, reader's comments and games (still, the
core of the magazine are the comics which can occupy up to 230 of those
pages). The criteria for "older" however is very elastic, mainly
concerning stories that haven't been published in Portugal recently (those
are considered "newer" stories, even if originally from the early 80s or
even before that).

It's published by Abril/Controljornal (an Abril associate that is the
Disney publisher in Portugal) and as such many of the comics presented are
from Brazil, but also featured are many Italian and Egmont D-coded
stories.

On occasion "older" one-pagers from America, and other countries
production (some S-Coded and H-coded stories) are also featured.
Some "topical" Disney movie stories have also appeared (with
characters from the Hunchback, Pocahontas and even Tarzan - these aren't
coded but I wouldn't be surprised if some were drawn in Brazil).

Unfortunately, the selection does seem to be most random, with very good
stories alternating with some so-so (sometimes it seems like the editors
look at a couple Brazilian magazines and try to fit them in a volume). In
recent years some "uncoded" stories also appeared, which look like was due
to a lack of interest on the codes rather than an actual attempt to
suppress them (no story codes are added here, the ones presented come from
the originals). As far as I've seen, no Portuguese production of Disney
comics has ever taken place, but the text is usually adapted from the
Brazilian Portuguese to the European variant.

The English translations presented here were done by me, and as such are
not "canonical", and I would welcome any corrections and additions to the
list. Also, in some stories, the lead character is not mentioned in the
title, but I added it preceded by an *. Some stories are also commented,
although very shortly.

Brazilian stories published at HiperDisney in the year 2000 (note -I still
haven't got Vol. 12 No. 2, and No. 11 and 12 are yet to be published. I'll
try adding to it when I get them):

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No 1
B970178 - (Z? Carioca) - Arm?rio X - Os cobradores est?o l? fora
[(Joe Carioca) -The X-File - The collectors are out there...] 13 pages
B970138 - (Z? Carioca) - Brincando de Casinha [(Joe Carioca) Playing
"house"] 7 pages
B810098 - (Prof. Pardal, *Lampadinha) - O feiticeiro volta a atacar
[(Gyro Gearloose, *Little Helper) The medicine-man strikes again] 7 pages
- A good, classic Gyro story
B870093 - (Margarida) - Novata, eu? [(Daisy Duck) Me, a rookie?] 10
pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 3
B960191 - (Z? Carioca) Disk-desencalhe [(Joe Carioca) Dial-a-girlfriend]
9 pages
B970167 - (Z? Carioca) Amigo Cachorro [(Joe Carioca) A dog of a friend]
1 page
B970153 - (Foli?o) Surfando na Internet [(?????) Surfing on the Internet]
5 pages - I Don't know the English name of the character, can anyone help?
(seems an Italian character - member of Peperetta?? Gang)
B970144 - (Z? Carioca) Roupa suja lava-se em casa [(Joe Carioca) The
washing is done at home] 7 pages
B810029- (Z? Carioca) Quando a esmola ? muita... [(Joe Carioca)
When the tip is too big..].7 pages- another "classic" featuring ANACOZECA
- the National Association for Creditors from Joe Carioca
B970149 - (Z? Carioca) A loja no ar [(Joe Carioca) TV-Shopping] 10
pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 4
B890133 - (Urtig?o) O Causo da V?ia Torta [(Moe) The case of the
crooked lady] 9 pages - a great story with a strong "hillbilly" flavor
B890099 - (Urtig?o) Macacadas caipiras [(Moe) Monkeing around in the
country] 6 pages
B960166 - (Morcego Verde) Cad? a bola [(Green Bat) Where is the ball?] 8
pages - the Green Bat is the "super"-hero alter-ego of Joe Carioca
B870134 - (Margarida) Um banho hist?rico [(Daisy Duck) An
historical bath] 10 pages
B890092 - (Urtig?o) O livr?o [(Moe) The (big) book] 6 pages
B880134 - (Maga Patal?gika) A velhinha da hora [(Magica de Spell) The old
lady of the hour] 7 pages - featuring Magica's apprentice nephew,
Peralta, which I only found on Brazilian stories so far ... Is it a
"Brazilian" character?
B890126 - (Urtig?o) Chega de burrada [(Moe) Enough donkeys, already!] 5
pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 5
B890087 -(Urtig?o) Meu docinho de Ab?bora [(Moe) My pumpkin sweet] 8
pages - Moe (almost) meets the Phantom Blot and (definitely) meets Madame
Min
B810071 - (Madame Min) E' aquela ?gua [(Madam Min) Water!!!] 7
pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 6
B930012 - (Gansolino) O pergui?oso [(Gus Gander) The lazy one] 4
pages - an unusual format for a Brazilian story - its an recreational
story, containing several games and puzzles
B890127 - (Urtig?o) Cora??o bobo [(Moe) Foolish heart] 8 pages
B900051 - (Urtig?o) D?-lhe Urtig?o [(Moe) Hit-it, Moe] 8 pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 7
B900115 - (Urtig?o e Madame Min) Asneiras [(Moe and Min)
Foolishness] 9 pages

B860125 - (*Donald) Pat?polis na idade da pedra [(*Donald) Duckburg in the
stone age] 10 pages - first on a series of 7 stories forming a
BIG one (107 pages in total), describing the evolution of Duckburg during
the ages, and the importance of the tic-tac-toe stone on its evolution. A
MUST READ series. (even if the first two stories, added later, are a
little weaker than the rest IMHO)
B860127 - (*Hor?cio) Embarcando numa galera furada [(*Horace
Horsecollar) Boarding a sinking galley] 6 pages
B810040 - (*Peninha) Pena Rubra, o Vinking [(*Fethry) Fethry the Red,
the Viking] 20 pages - the best of the lot, IMHO (but I have a particular
fondness of Fethry, as do many readers of the Brazilian comics)
B810066 - (*Z? Carioca) A invas?o dos piratas [(*Joe Carioca) The pirate
invasion] 18 pages - also very good
B810003 - (*Mickey e Pateta) Correio a cavalo [(*Mickey and Goofy) The
pony express] 15 pages - not par with the former, but still good
B810094 - (*Prof Pardal) O s?culo das luzes [(*Gyro Gearloose) The
century of lights] 20 pages - what can I say... I'm a Gyro fan, so any
good story featuring Gyro is great
B820043 - (*Metralhas) O poderoso Metralh?o [(*Beagle Boys) Al
Beaglone] 18 pages - A fitting end to a very good series

B900007 - (Urtig?o) O feiti?o da Firmina [(*Moe) Firmina's spell] 7
pages - I don't believe Firmina (Moe's housekeeper) is featured outside
Brazil, but it is (was?) very much an item on Moe's stories
B970130 - (Z? Carioca) H? genios e g?nios... [(Joe Carioca)
Geniuses...] 10 pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 8
B00007 - (Z? Carioca) O r?ptil devorador [(Joe Carioca) The
reptile...] 12 pages - first 2000 story from Brazil I read. STRANGE art
(inspired on American (non-Disney) comics and watercolor painting??) .
Well worth a look
B990051 - (Z? Carioca) Papagaio ou pe?o? [(Joe Carioca) Parrot or
Cowboy?] 7 pages - I must say I like the art from the new Joe Carioca
stories
B990048 - (Z? Carioca) A caverna m?gica [(Joe Carioca) The magic cavern] 9
pages
B000059 - (Donald) Um desfile monstruoso [(Donald) A monstrous
parade] 11 pages - The new art doesn't seem "quite right" on the Ducks,
however
?????? - (Mickey) Uma festa muito doida [(Mickey) A very wacky party] 10
pages - No code, but I could swear this is a story from Brazil, from
99/2000 (like the next unnumbered stories on this issue). The new art is
refreshing, but it may be an acquired taste for some. This script is
*really* warped
??????? - (Z? Carioca) O prato do dia [(Joe Carioca) Today's menu] 8
pages - this one is also from Brazil, in the same time frame - don't know
what happened to the codes (perhaps the pages were cropped? Or did they
send the stories without the codes?)
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Que intelig?ncia [(Joe Carioca) Smart... very
smart] 2 pages - like the former
B00057 - (Donald) E para descansar das f?rias? [(Donald) And to relax
from the holidays?] 10 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) O espirito "pascoalicio" [(Joe Carioca) "Eastery"
spirit] 8 pages
??????? - (Mickey e Minnie) Rom?ntico Canino [(Mickey and Minnie)
Dogged Romantic] 8 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Tudo acabado entre n?s! [(Joe Carioca) It's the
end of the road for us!] 10 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) A misteriosa ?rea 13 [(Joe Carioca) Area 13]
(what else?) 13 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) O pr?mio da lotaria [(Joe Carioca) The big
lotto] 8 pages

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 9
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Que artista [(Joe Carioca) What an artist!] 2
pages - "new" art
??????? - (Z? Carioca) As cartas n?o mentem [(Joe Carioca) The cards
don't lie!] 9 pages - "new" art, but less extreme (99 style?)
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Se n?o chover, voc? dan?a [(Joe Carioca)
Either it rains, or you do the dance] 8 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Loucura na pista [(Joe Carioca) Madness on Formula
1] 9 pages
B990041 - (Z? Carioca) Tudo por amor [(Joe Carioca) All for love] 8
pages
B990055 - (*Pedr?o) Pedr?o Madrinho [(?????) Fairy God-Pedr?o?] 11
pages - Pedr?o is a member of Joe Carioca's gang - one of his best
friends. I don't believe it used outside Brazil. Also, I believe it was
the first Disney regular comics character (drawn at least since the 80s,
probably earlier) that is unmistakably a dark-skinned human.
B990054 - (Z? Carioca) Pegou mal [(Joe Carioca) Not so candid
camera] 3 pages
B990043 - (Z? Carioca) O p? frio [(Joe Carioca) Cold foot] 6 pages
B990052 - (Z? Carioca) Rival fixe [(Joe Carioca) A cool rival] 8
pages - again Pedr?o is the real lead in this story, this time in his
"super"-hero alter-ego, Capit?o Porreta (this was the first time I read of
his alter-ego, I'm sure its seldom used)

HiperDisney Vol. 12 No. 10
B990039 - (Z? Carioca) Pipocas [(Joe Carioca) Popcorn] 9 pages - a Green
Bat adventure
B990031 - (Z? Carioca) Ca?adores de Pulgas [(Joe Carioca) Flea
Hunters] 6 pages
B990036 - (Z? Carioca) A verdade est? a saltar [(Joe Carioca) The truth
is hopping there] 8 pages - another X-files parody that's also the sequel
to the previous story
B000015 - (Mickey) e o anivers?rio da Minnie [Mickey) and Minnie's
birthday] 5 pages - in its 2000 stories, the Brasilian artists reverted to
the classic look (red shorts and no shirt) for Mickey
B890179 - (Urtig?o e Firmina) Tradi??o ? Tradi??o [(Moe and Firmina)
Keeping the tradition] 8 pages
B890128 - (Urtig?o) O causo da mulher grande [(Moe) The case of the Big
lady] 7 pages
B990034 - (Z? Carioca) A bicicleta [(Joe Carioca) The bicycle] 6
pages
B990028 - (Z? Carioca) Acampamento de F?rias [(Joe Carioca) Holiday
Camp] 9 pages (Joe's nephews are the true leads of this story)
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Os lavadeiros [(Joe Carioca) Washing] 6 pages
??????? - (Z? Carioca) Mestre do Origami [(Joe Carioca) Origami
master] 1 page

Note on the codes: BYYNNNN: story NNNN of the year YY, produced in Brazil.
YY==00 for 2000.
John Garvin
I was going to let this subject drop since all but one or two were not
responding to the central ideas in my posting. But Kari did, and since he is
so wrong on most points, I can't help it.

"You absolytely must be able to protect your property and get the
money yourself from your work."

I agree. If you recall, I said that I personally believe that all living
creators should be respected.

"Companies (even big ones) must be treated equally to humans."

Wow. No offence, but I could not possibly disagree with this statement more
strongly. Corporations are NOT people, and though they are attempting to, and
in the US have succeeding in, gaining multiple human rights, they are NOT
people! The Disney corporation exists for one reason and one reason ONLY: to
make money. If you believe otherwise, you are kidding yourself. Like most
other corporations, it has a history of exploiting the labor and talents of
others to improve the bottom line. It does not care about creating, it does
not care about people, it does not have any loyalty to any country, it does not
think of the people who work for it as family, it cares about profit. I hope
I'm right when I say that this does not describe most human beings that I
know. If you buy shares in these inhuman moneymaking machines, you get what
you pay for.

"Somebody gave the idea that Disney shouldn't have MORAL right to
its stories, because they dont' print them in the US or pay
artists only once etc. What has that to do with this? Would
there be different rights according to how nice and good you were and
how many people liked you or not? Law in the end really isn't about
moral it is about facts, why?"

Again, wow. I can tell I'm not talking to someone in the USA here. See, we
have a jury system. What that means is that the Jury not only has the power to
decide the facts of a case, but also the justness of the law itself. The
famous OJ Simpson trial became, in part, not so much a murder trial, as a trial
of a very corrupt police system.
Don't forget that I keep calling this an information revolution. Revolution is
all about moral outrage against unjust laws. Of course we will break the law.
If enough laws are broken by moral people fighting for a just cause, change is
made. That is how we Americans enacted civil rights in the south. Again,
don't kid yourself: there are many many bad laws on the books. In my mind,
laws which protect the rights of living creators are good. Laws which allow
corporations to steal from creators in perpetuity, are bad. It is a human
right to break a bad law. If enough people do it, the laws get swept away.

"About public domain. When Bram Stoker wrote his story, he used the old
stories, and legend and the idea of vampires, He didn't create vampires,
he didnt' even create Dracula, but used the story of Vlad Tepes (I'm
not sure how is should be spelled) the monarc who actually lived."

Uh huh. And what about Lewis Carrol? I see that you ignored this example.
Alice in Wonderland was written in the 1865, Through the Looking Glass in 1871,
a little over a hundred years ago. These works contained characters and
locations straight from the imagination of a single author. Again I ask you,
would the world of ideas be a better place or worse, if Carrol had been able to
start a Carrol Corporation, and lock down the use of that intellectual property
for the next thousand years? No Disney Alice In Wonderland animated feature,
no Disney Theme park: Wild Teacup ride, Alice ride, Mad Hatter shop; no Disney
Alice series of books, cups, hats, dolls, shirts, lollypops, and videos.

I think that Lewis Carrol had the right to make money from his characters and
books as long as he was alive. I would even go so far as to say that his
family could profit from them for another 20 years after his death (this is
current copyright law, give or take.) I don't think, had Carrol been writing
under a "work for hire" contract, as Barks had to do his entire life, for a
greedy corporation, that that corporation would be entitled to profit from his
work forever. THAT, is what Disney is fighting for even now. You're darn
right I want a revolution.
Stefan Persson
Could someone please translate this? I can't understand!
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Krause
To: Englische Mailingliste
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:26 AM
Subject: Deutsche Mailingliste

Hi LTBs, Disney oder Carl Barks Fans,

Wenn ihr Lust auf eine Deutsche Mailingliste habt schreibt mir ein Mail.

The LTB-Fansite Master:

Thomas Krause

E-Mail: Thomas.Krause at Firemail.de

oder: T at Krause.as

Homepage: http://home.t-online/home/l-k.krause.gm/LTB

oder: http://www.zap.to/Ltb
Rick Engle
Has anyone heard anything about Galdstone or Rainbow recovering and having
US Duck titles again? This is riduculous that Disney is an American company
and yet we can buy titles here in the US. Everytime I go into my comics
store I get a pang knowing that there are no more duck titles available here
even though they are being churned out elsewhere in the world.
Thanks,
Rick
Antonio Svevi
John Garvin:
>I think that Lewis Carrol had the right to make money
>from his characters and books as long as he was alive.
>I would even go so far as to say that his family
>could profit from them for another 20 years after his
>death (this is current copyright law, give or take.)
>I don't think, had Carrol been writing under a "work
>for hire" contract, as Barks had to do his entire life,
>for a greedy corporation, that that corporation would
>be entitled to profit from his work forever. THAT, is
>what Disney is fighting for even now. You're darn right
>I want a revolution.

And what I was trying to say in my previous message is that
this behaviour is not even legal in some places.

People, associations, companies have been trying to "buy"
the full copyrigths of some famous painters or artists for
years. This is not possible in France. Even if the author or
his family wants to, he can not sell all of its rigths on
his own works to any party.

Disney on the other hand considers they have full rigths to
all comics with Donald or Mickey. Of course, how can an
artist sue Disney or its subsidiaries? What can someone do
against such a big company? nothing. But that doesn't make
it legal.
See? The discussion began wether people on the Internet were
breaking the law. But who really is "breaking" the law?

Francesco:
>>In all European comics I know of, authors get paid
>>every time one of their stories is reprinted, in any
>>country.
>
>Not in Italy and not by Disney Italia as long as I think
>to remember.

Indeed, and this is the Disney exception I wanted to point
out.

Asterix, Lagaffe, and countless other non Disney comics are
owned by their real authors.

______________________________________________________
Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com
Francesco Spreafico
From: "Antonio Svevi" <robert662 at caramail.com>

>>Not in Italy and not by Disney Italia as long as I think
>>to remember.

>Indeed, and this is the Disney exception I wanted to point
>out.

Oops, sorry, I hadn't noticed.

--
Sprea
Henri Kunne
At 18:05 18-10-00 +0200, Per-Erik Malstr?m wrote:

>Henri Kunne wrote:
> > Per, you may be talking about laws and moral idealism, but John is talking
> > about facts and human nature.
>Huh? I don't see what you mean. I asked if it's ok to break the law just
>because it's possible.
>Are you saying it's in the human nature to do so? Are you saying that I'm
>inhuman? :-)

Of course not! Not all people are copy thieves, but some are, and the
Internet's presence makes them
unbeatable, according to me. I really see this is going to have some
setbacks, but I stay convinced
that art as a whole will profit from this evolution.

>Oh, er, the naked-mice part... I don't remember writing that. You must
>have quoted someone else.

Did I? Now take a look:

>The guy who did the "obscene" MM-story (Air Pirate Funnies) is named Dan
>O'Neill. Don't know anything
>about him, except he showed me Mickey & Minnie in the nude, and I still
>haven't recovered!

You didn't retain my quote, so I had to paste it from the previous posting.
In your original of
Tuesday 17th, it hasn't got any > or | sign or whatever. How can that be,
it these words
aren't yours?
Greetings, Henri
Claudio Eckert
Is anyone else going to Frankfurt Book Fair this sunday? (Don Rosa will be
there from 12 to 2 pm.) I'd like to join other ML-Members who want to go
there.

Claudio

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://profiles.msn.com.
Mirko Tavosanis
Hi,

perhaps it's time to say that I published this year (with Fabio Gadducci) a
little book in Italian about copyright in Disney comics :-)

The title of the book is _Casa Disney: Autori e diritto d'autore_
(PuntoZero, Bologna, 2000; ISBN 88-86945-26-4; 14.000 lire or 7,25 euro).
Obviously, we included in the book also interviews with comics creators like
Don Rosa, Luciano Bottaro and Marco Rota. And it was very interesting to
study the strange forms intellectual property can take :-)

Copyright is not a law of nature, of course. The modern concept of copyright
didn't surface until the Eighteenth century, and writers and creators worked
for the publishing industry well before there was something like a copyright
law. Moreover, today's copyright laws are designed according to the needs of
the publishing industry rather than to the needs of the creators: in the
contries that accepted the Berne Convention and the recent German
extensions, copyright now lasts seventy years after the death of a
creator... and this fact has a real meaning only for a publishing house, not
for a creator.

Of course, no one is entitled to break a law. But perhaps it's time for some
changes. Now we have peer-to-peer technology that, coupled with encryption,
could allow users to post on the Internet every kind of "creative work" for
free and without risk of being caught. Could this technology make it
impossible to charge "users" for reading a text or a comic? Perhaps. But
suerly even this would not stop many creators from creating.

Best wishes,

Mirko Tavosanis

http://www.humnet.unipi.it/rogiolo/profili/mirko.html
Per-Erik Malmström
Henri Kunne wrote:
> >Oh, er, the naked-mice part... I don't remember writing that. You must
> >have quoted someone else.
>
> Did I? Now take a look: [...]
> You didn't retain my quote, so I had to paste it from the previous posting.
> In your original of
> Tuesday 17th, it hasn't got any > or | sign or whatever. How can that be,
> it these words
> aren't yours?

Sigh, I make an embarrassing error and shamelessly try to get off the hook, and what do you do: unmask my little cover-up and once again quote m... er, that anonymous Disney lawyer who is lurking on this list. Blame him. Blame Canada.

Ciao,
/Per-Erik
- who, in the future, will try to remember the ":-)"-sign.
Stefan Diös
Many people have already expressed much of my views on this matter, but
still I
feel compelled to contribute. Sorry about the long message. I have
shortened it
considerably.

In recent years, I have been increasingly distraught by some sort of new,
"technological greed" that seems to be popping up everywhere. It's like some
people believe that just because they own a computer, they have a right to get
everything else in the world for free. Obviously, many young (?) people don't
understand what the copyright law is about, or if they do, they somehow decide
they have a supreme right to put themselves above it. Which, of course, is
worse.

On this list, I've been amazed to see people continuously advertising fully
scanned Disney stories for anyone to read or download. An illustrated fan site
is one thing, and should be applauded if it's well maintained, yet I
thought it
should be obvious to anyone that complete stories are way too much. I've been
wondering how they can to this and why somebody doesn't stop them, or even
politely tell them this is a thoughtless thing to do. Did I speak up myself?
No, because I'm lazy (and perhaps cowardly), and because I didn't want to be
the first to rouse a sleeping bear.

And their arguments, now that it's happened? "We don't make a profit from
this." Aha, fine. Tomorrow I'll walk into the jewellers' and take a diamond
bracelet. I'm not gonna sell it, so I'm not making a profit from it. I'm
giving
it to my girlfriend, who wouldn't have bought it otherwise, and the store has
lots of other bracelets anyway, so nobody loses anything. Yes, this situation
is different, but the argument is the same. And how about this: "The Internet
is a free medium. Nobody can stop us, so we can do whatever we want." (Or
similar.) Well, this is very, very na?ve at best. I don't want to think bad of
any true Duck fan, and I'm sure they have been acting with the very best
intentions, so I'll presume that the people involved here are just that...
na?ve. Otherwise, it wouldn't be hard to think of several other, less
flattering attributes for people with this kind of opinions. "Dangerous" would
be one of the more neutral.

Now, I can understand that modern technology allows for some sort of
"information revolution", and even though I'm not much of a revolutionary guy
myself, I can certainly appreciate much of that. But, as has been pointed out,
and needs to be pointed out again: Information and art is not the same
thing, I
repeat NOT the same thing. Granted, the boundaries may be blurry at times, but
most of the time it should be pretty clear-cut what one could do or not.

And publishing complete Disney comic stories is a very clear "not". I think
it's outrageous! Guys, please keep your fan sites! They are beautiful and
informative and do a world of good for budding Duck fans all over the
planet; a
true sign of what dedicated fandom can achieve. But also, for all our sakes,
please keep them clean!!! Make use of the illustration and quotation rights as
much as you dare, but if you really MUST scan a whole story for some friend
who
really, really can't get his hands on the actual magazine... put it on a
secret
page that only a few select people can reach, and DON'T advertise it on a
public forum like this! Please. I'm not saying this to express any sympathy
with the Disney company or its ways to enforce its will, nor am I going to
squeal. I'm just speaking out of what I thought should be common sense for
anybody, and out of concern that all the good things you do may be damaged.

Finally: John Garvin's vision of the future really scares me. I'm not prophet
enough to tell whether it will come true or not, but I believe, for reasons
stated many times recently by wise contributors to this list, that we all
would
do well to try to prevent it for as long as we could. Ah well, so far, so bad.
But when John says things like:

>
> It is a human
> right to break a bad law. If enough people do it, the laws get swept away.

I even get scared of the man himself. From such convictions stem movements
that
I don't want to discuss on this list, or anywhere else, for that matter. I
can't believe that John deep down inside really means that, and wants to
preach
the message to others. Hopefully, he just enjoys some rhetoric drama. Why,
some
of the other things he says actually makes good sense to me! But if he does
mean what he says above... well, I can only hope that none of his friends ever
get into their heads that any law protecting my personal safety is a bad one.

Boy, I never thought I could feel so queasy from reading a discussion about
one
of my favorite fun subjects. I hope I can relax with a good Duck story. On
paper and paid for.

Stefan Dios
Malmo, Sweden
Andy Boettcher
Hi Stefan (and anyone else without access to
German-English ONLINE dictionary or translation
sites):

Here goes:

> From: "Stefan Persson" <reimersholme at hotmail.com>
> To: <Thomas.Krause at Firemail.de>,
> "Englische Mailingliste"
> <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Subject: Re: Deutsche Mailingliste
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:57:02 +0200
>
> Could someone please translate this? I can't
> understand!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas Krause
> To: Englische Mailingliste
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 9:26 AM
> Subject: Deutsche Mailingliste
>
>
> Hi LTBs, Disney oder Carl Barks Fans,

Hi ??? (LTBs), Disney or Carl Barks Fans,
>
> Wenn ihr Lust auf eine Deutsche Mailingliste habt
> schreibt mir ein Mail.
>

If you're interested in a German (language) mailing
list, send me an e-mail.

>
> The LTB-Fansite Master:
>
> Thomas Krause
>
>
>
> E-Mail: Thomas.Krause at Firemail.de
>
> or: T at Krause.as
>
> Homepage:
> http://home.t-online/home/l-k.krause.gm/LTB
>
> or: http://www.zap.to/Ltb
_______________________________________________

Sorry, to disappoint anyone expecting something on
"lust" and nude ducks or mice....but the original
German noun, "Lust", has a wider meaning and in
general usage means only to be keen on or enthusiastic
about something. As to "LTBs" haven't got a clue
(maybe some German Internet or duck insider
abbreviation...)?

Ciao for niao,

Andy Boettcher, Tokyo

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE.
http://im.yahoo.com/
Arthur Faria Jr.
PAULO MELO:

Thanks for the long list of Brazilian stories published
in Portugal. Some remarks:

> B970153 - (Foli?o) Surfando na Internet [(?????) Surfing on the Internet]
> 5 pages - I Don't know the English name of the character, can anyone help?
> (seems an Italian character - member of Peperetta?? Gang)

Foli?o is actually the Aracuan bird who appeared in "The Three
Caballeros" movie (and others). He was reused in many Brazilian stories
of the 80s and 90s as one of the "Adolescentes" (Disney teens), together
with Pata Lee (the Italian Paperetta Ye-ye) and others teen characters
created here in Brazil.

> B880134 - (Maga Patal?gika) A velhinha da hora [(Magica de Spell) The old
> lady of the hour] 7 pages - featuring Magica's apprentice nephew,
> Peralta, which I only found on Brazilian stories so far ... Is it a
> "Brazilian" character?

Bruxinho Peralta isn't Magica's nephew: he's Hazel Witch's and appeared
in one or more stories in the 60s. His original American name is "Witchis Witch"
(if I spelled it right).

> B900051 - (Urtig?o) D?-lhe Urtig?o [(Moe) Hit-it, Moe] 8 pages

This story is the 1st part of a 3-part series, where Hard Haid
Moe (Urtig?o) becomes a kickboxing fighter. Plot by Edgar Herrero, who
wrote the first part. I wrote the next two parts.

> B860125 - (*Donald) Pat?polis na idade da pedra [(*Donald) Duckburg in the
> stone age] 10 pages - first on a series of 7 stories forming a
> BIG one (107 pages in total), describing the evolution of Duckburg during
> the ages, and the importance of the tic-tac-toe stone on its evolution. A
> MUST READ series. (even if the first two stories, added later, are a
> little weaker than the rest IMHO)

This series was titled "Hist?ria de Pat?polis" (Duckburg's History)

> B860127 - (*Hor?cio) Embarcando numa galera furada [(*Horace
> Horsecollar) Boarding a sinking galley] 6 pages

The main character isn't Horace Horsecollar: it's *Boinif?cio*, Clarabelle's
unlucky cousin. This character was created (as well as "new" Daisy) by that time
and the editors wanted to make them well known by the readers, so they ordered
those two stories to be added to the original series when it was reprinted.

> B00007 - (Z? Carioca) O r?ptil devorador [(Joe Carioca) The
> reptile...] 12 pages - first 2000 story from Brazil I read. STRANGE art
> (inspired on American (non-Disney) comics and watercolor painting??) .

First story written and drawn by Fernando Ventura, with colors by
Studio NW.

> B990051 - (Z? Carioca) Papagaio ou pe?o? [(Joe Carioca) Parrot or
> Cowboy?] 7 pages - I must say I like the art from the new Joe Carioca
> stories

Art by Dave Santana, and the first story by Studio NW.

> B000059 - (Donald) Um desfile monstruoso [(Donald) A monstrous
> parade] 11 pages - The new art doesn't seem "quite right" on the Ducks,
> however

Story by Gerson Teixeira, art by Eli Leon. Leon is one of Abril's
veteran artist (since 1984, I guess)

> ?????? - (Mickey) Uma festa muito doida [(Mickey) A very wacky party] 10
> pages - No code, but I could swear this is a story from Brazil, from
> 99/2000 (like the next unnumbered stories on this issue). The new art is
> refreshing, but it may be an acquired taste for some. This script is
> *really* warped

It's B 000043. Art by Roberto Fukue (according to Fernando Ventura).
Again, a *very* veteran artist.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) O prato do dia [(Joe Carioca) Today's menu] 8
> pages - this one is also from Brazil, in the same time frame - don't know
> what happened to the codes (perhaps the pages were cropped? Or did they
> send the stories without the codes?)

It's B 990059. Written by me.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Que intelig?ncia [(Joe Carioca) Smart... very
> smart] 2 pages - like the former

B 000003.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) O espirito "pascoalicio" [(Joe Carioca) "Eastery"
> spirit] 8 pages

B 000013.

> ??????? - (Mickey e Minnie) Rom?ntico Canino [(Mickey and Minnie)
> Dogged Romantic] 8 pages

B 000025.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Tudo acabado entre n?s! [(Joe Carioca) It's the
> end of the road for us!] 10 pages

B 990083.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) A misteriosa ?rea 13 [(Joe Carioca) Area 13]
> (what else?) 13 pages

B 990060. Art by Eli Leon, written by me.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) O pr?mio da lotaria [(Joe Carioca) The big
> lotto] 8 pages

B 990057.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Que artista [(Joe Carioca) What an artist!] 2
> pages - "new" art

B 990100. Art by Dave Santana.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) As cartas n?o mentem [(Joe Carioca) The cards
> don't lie!] 9 pages - "new" art, but less extreme (99 style?)

B 990056. Art by Eli Leon.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Se n?o chover, voc? dan?a [(Joe Carioca)
> Either it rains, or you do the dance] 8 pages

B 990090. Art by Luis Podavin.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Loucura na pista [(Joe Carioca) Madness on Formula
> 1] 9 pages

B 990092. Art by Eli Leon.

> B990055 - (*Pedr?o) Pedr?o Madrinho [(?????) Fairy God-Pedr?o?] 11
> pages - Pedr?o is a member of Joe Carioca's gang - one of his best
> friends. I don't believe it used outside Brazil. Also, I believe it was
> the first Disney regular comics character (drawn at least since the 80s,
> probably earlier) that is unmistakably a dark-skinned human.

Pedr?o ("big" Pedro) was created (probably) in 1973. Very nice
character to write stories of. Sometimes I see Carioca, Nestor and
Pedr?o as a kind of "Three Stooges" -- funny and inseparable!

> B990052 - (Z? Carioca) Rival fixe [(Joe Carioca) A cool rival] 8
> pages - again Pedr?o is the real lead in this story, this time in his
> "super"-hero alter-ego, Capit?o Porreta (this was the first time I read of
> his alter-ego, I'm sure its seldom used)

Four stories AFAIK: B 860120, B 860175, B 930075 and B 990052.

> B990036 - (Z? Carioca) A verdade est? a saltar [(Joe Carioca) The truth
> is hopping there] 8 pages - another X-files parody that's also the sequel
> to the previous story

Art by Gustavo Machado, written by me. X-Files fans shouldn't
miss this story... it's not the best of mine, but Machado made
very nice caricatures of Mulder and Scully (in cameo appearances) ;-)
Curiosity: The editors liked the inteligent fleas of the previous story
(written by me, too) and ordered a sequel showing what happened with them...
so I did it.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Os lavadeiros [(Joe Carioca) Washing] 6 pages

B 990029. Art by Leon, written by me.

> ??????? - (Z? Carioca) Mestre do Origami [(Joe Carioca) Origami
> master] 1 page

B 990032. Written by me. Ok, I admit I don't like to write 1-pagers...

Tchau,
--Arthur.
JALustig
This is addressed to handful of mailing list members who live in the Seattle
area:

I'll be at the Cartoonists Northwest booth at the Northwest Bookfest this
Saturday and Sunday. The Bookfest is at the Stadium Exhibition Center (next
to Safeco Field.) CNW will have booths #218 & 220. I'll be giving leading a
comic book writing workshop from 11-noon on Saturday at the CNW booths. Other
comic creators at the CNW booths include Donna Barr and Roberta Gregory.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14