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Can someone email me digest 618? Hotmail seems to have lost it on me.

Thanks!

Mike Rhode
mrhode at hotmail.com

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ARMANDO:

>I'll be more precise tonight (and I'll also provide scans to Petri, for him
>to put them on the net),

I could put it on our pocket book site. It could interest some people
(non-DCML) to see what changes were made.
http://www.perunamaa.net/taskarit/index.html

>but I seem to remember the scene takes just a few panels in the original
>version.
[...]
>The Inducks currently reports that the TM 27 reprint (which came out > in
>1994) is 40 pages long, exactly like the original version - which > seems
>to imply that no addition was made (maybe Marco Barlotti can verify?).

That's funny. The Finnish version is also 40 pages long, so if the original
scene is only few panels they must have cut something out. But I don't
recall any gaps in the plot.
Oh, it would sure be nice to live in a bigger apartment so my collection
could fit in it.

>It seems strange, though, that the Finnish editors had an Italian
>artist perform such a modification... BTW, Petri, could you tell us > in
>which Finnish edition you've read the modified story?

It's in the Finnish pocket book (Aku Ankan taskukirja) number 3 that is the
reprint of Italian CWD 32. Strange, you would think that the change would be
in the Italian edition too. And there is only one year between the two
publications.
How about other reprints? The story is at least reprinted in Lustiges
Taschenbuch 13, Kalle Ankas pocket bok 11 and Mickey Parade 886 (or 12? I
don't get French issue numbers). Is anyone willing to check?

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PETRI
> >but I seem to remember the scene takes just a few panels in the original
> >version.
> [...]
> >The Inducks currently reports that the TM 27 reprint (which came out in
> >1994) is 40 pages long, exactly like the original version - which seems
> >to imply that no addition was made (maybe Marco Barlotti can verify?).
> That's funny. The Finnish version is also 40 pages long, so if the
original
> scene is only few panels they must have cut something out. But I don't
> recall any gaps in the plot.

My mistake: the "scene" I was thinking about was only the final part of the
sequence redrawn by Perego. After looking at Hans's scans, I can confirm
that 3 pages of Carpi art were exactly replaced by Perego's. It'll all
become very clear as soon as Hans puts the Italian version on-line ;-)

> It's in the Finnish pocket book (Aku Ankan taskukirja) number 3 that is
the
> reprint of Italian CWD 32. Strange, you would think that the change would
be
> in the Italian edition too. And there is only one year between the two
> publications.
> How about other reprints? The story is at least reprinted in Lustiges
> Taschenbuch 13, Kalle Ankas pocket bok 11 and Mickey Parade 886 (or 12? I
> don't get French issue numbers). Is anyone willing to check?

Hans already told us about LT 13, and I'm inclined to think that also the
Swedish version be the Perego one. It would be interesting to know which
North-European editor asked for the modification to be performed...
Instead, Mickey Parade 886 came out in June 1969, exactly like Classici 32 -
so maybe they used the Carpi version... perhaps Francois can check?

Ciao,
Armando

Hi Hans, Armando, Petri

Mickey-Parade # 886 bis has the Carpi original version of the "Phantom Blot
Story".

Francois

Yesterday I wrote about the changed (censored?) Bottaro panels of
I TL 385-A in the German pocket book "Lustige Taschenb?cher". I
wrote "issue # 1", but meant "issue # 7". Sorry for that.

I don't know why I didn't think of the following immediately: Plenty
of these changes, including the three Perego pages in (non-Italian)
reprints of I TL 466-B, have already been mentioned (and shown) in
Boemund von Hunoltstein's book "Ehapa durchleuchtet". He made
great efforts to list lots of cases of changed artwork (from minor
changes like removing dollar signs or guns to cutting complete
panels or pages). It's a really interesting book!

The only minor flaw in his book might be that he worked under the
hypothesis that most (if not all) of these changes were done by
Ehapa, the German Disney comics publisher. Probably this is not
true; most of the changes seem the have been made by Mondadori
or Egmont Denmark themselves. But while I always guessed that
the Perego panels that show up in "Lustige Taschenb?cher" from
time to time have been made for the Italian reprint series "I classici
di Walt Disney", this seems not always to be true, as I TL 466-B
shows us.

There is another thing that always made me wonder. For many
decades, Italian pocket book stories have been reprinted in
European comic books (I'm thinking of the "Egmont countries").
Pocket book story pages normally consist of six approximately
quadratic panels, comic book story pages normally have eight non-
quadratic panels. Therefore the reprints had to use "cut and paste"
to rearrange the panels. And even more, the quadratic panels had
to be made non-quadratic. There are two ways of doing this: cut
the top of the panel to reduce the height or add some artwork at
the left or the right to increase the width: both of these possibilities
have actually been realized lots of times.

I'm not familiar with the technicalities of comic book producing, but
I'm pretty sure that rearranging panels, cutting or adding artwork
means a lot of work. Why has this been done? Why decided they
to use Italian pocket book stories in comic books, when there were
lots of Italian four-tier comic book stories ready to use? Any
guesses?

-Hans-

Hans:

> I'm pretty sure that rearranging panels, cutting or adding artwork
> means a lot of work.

Not *that* much work. You can put a junior assistant on the cutting and
pasting. No drawing skills needed (as often can be seen in the result).

--Harry.

Thank you all person that write me in private (and not).
Than Don Rosa tells, I write 6 page whit some curiosity about Lo$ for special book tell "D.u.c.k." (Dedicated Uncle Carl by Keno) edited in 1997 about Disney Italy.
I counted Stated which U$ stay in his life and I reported it, and friends, and persons which was hostile to Scrooge and lot of many curiosity.
I don't know when but if you want I take on line this pages. (I thing about next weekend, near 10 august).

At http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/GattoFF1.jpg there is a history of Gatto in Deutch but there isn't 6th page of it and the story isn't complete. Can you take me page that insn't here, Hans? So thank you for scan.

About English version of this site... after summer... why not. I hope that in december English version is started but I don't know. For now I want do lot of possible in Italian.

About dead in Disney story there is another story where Donald and Gladstone inherit one car and one hotel by Uncle Jasperduck. It was the story I TL 2026 4 (Induck's Code) "Hotel Papeino" written by Francois Corteggiani ad drawn by Silvio Camboni.

Another story, "Paperino e il primo dollaro d'oro" written by Roberto Renzi (it isn't a big artist... he written an history, drawn by Gatto"Eta Beta e il razzo scomparso" (I TL 268), where Eega Beewa has got her legs extendibile than Tiramolla, a famous character of another Italian comics) and drawn by Luciano Gatto is pubblished in Topolino 254 of 9 october 1960. In this story Donald is nomined heir universal of his Uncle Scrooge becouse he died in an incident by plane. In Italy (about Inducks) it's reprint only in "Albo della Rosa" 554.

See you soon...

Francesco

http://digilander.iol.it/lucianogatto
if you want talk me in private write at gerba at libero.it