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Fluks, H.W.
> From: Eero-Pekka Halinen [mailto:e_halinen at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:36 PM

> I see a quite interesting relation between Finland and Japan.

Which reminds me: there is also an interesting relation between Finland and
Holland: the Dutch publisher of Disney comics (VNU) has recently been taken
over by a Finnish company.
Maybe that will get us even more Kari Korhonen here? 8-)

--Harry.
Francesco Gerbaldo
I lost 2 story where the death is present.

The 1st story (written by Chendi, draw by Gatto) is "Paperino e il faraone" from Topolino 239 (26 june 1960) where an ancestor of Scrooge (Pharaon Papersete) talk a strange Egyptian phrase and he is trasforming in a sarcophagus.

Another story where you can see the death is written by Carl Barks and drawn by Tony Strobl, "King Scrooge the First" (US 71 10/67) where king Khan Khan eat some dust (heroine? :-) and die after few seconds in an horrible way.

Do you remember this story?

For 1st story I can do scan of those figure.

bye Francesco
Francesco Gerbaldo
I lost 2 story where the death is present.

The 1st story (written by Chendi, draw by Gatto) is "Paperino e il faraone" from Topolino 239 (26 june 1960) where an ancestor of Scrooge (Pharaon Papersete) talk a strange Egyptian phrase and he is trasforming in a sarcophagus.

Another story where you can see the death is written by Carl Barks and drawn by Tony Strobl, "King Scrooge the First" (US 71 10/67) where king Khan Khan eat some dust (heroine? :-) and die after few seconds in an horrible way.

Do you remember this story?

For 1st story I can do scan of those figure.

bye Francesco
Petri Kanninen
HARRY:
>Which reminds me: there is also an interesting relation between >Finland
>and Holland: the Dutch publisher of Disney comics (VNU) has >recently been
>taken over by a Finnish company.
>Maybe that will get us even more Kari Korhonen here? 8-)

It's not the whole VNU that the Finnish company bought. The Finnish company
is SanomaWSOY which is the largest publishing house in Finland. Part of
SanomaWSOY is Helsinki Media which is the Finnish Disney-publisher. VNU did
only sell its magazines (not any newspapers) to SanomaWSOY including the
Disney-publications. The reason for the deal was something like to protect
SanomaWSOY from take overs.
Maybe we get to see more Dutch-stories here. Is it the same company that
publishes and produces stories in Holland? We might start to call Dutch
stories Finnish stories. ;-)

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Don Rosa
> From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
> Which reminds me: there is also an interesting relation between Finland
and
> Holland: the Dutch publisher of Disney comics (VNU) has recently been
taken
> over by a Finnish company.
> Maybe that will get us even more Kari Korhonen here? 8-)

You think you're kidding? I didn't want to say anything about this since I
had no idea if it had been officially announced by the companies involved.
The Finnish company that now owns VNU *is* the company that publishes AKU
ANKKA and the other Finnish Disney publications. This will probably mean
some interesting future developments...
Simo Malinen
HARRY:
>Which reminds me: there is also an interesting relation between >Finland
>and Holland: the Dutch publisher of Disney comics (VNU) has >recently been
>taken over by a Finnish company.
>Maybe that will get us even more Kari Korhonen here? 8-)

PETRI:
It's not the whole VNU that the Finnish company bought. The Finnish company
is SanomaWSOY which is the largest publishing house in Finland. Part of
SanomaWSOY is Helsinki Media which is the Finnish Disney-publisher. VNU did
only sell its magazines (not any newspapers) to SanomaWSOY including the
Disney-publications. The reason for the deal was something like to protect
SanomaWSOY from take overs.
Maybe we get to see more Dutch-stories here. Is it the same company that
publishes and produces stories in Holland? We might start to call Dutch
stories Finnish stories. ;-)

Actually it was VNU's magazine publishing unit
(CIG) that was sold to SanomaWSOY. The plan is now
to unite Helsinki Media and CIG as a one bigger
publishing house having it's HQ in Holland.(!)

Since both Disney weeklies (Finnish Aku Ankka and
yes, Dutch Donal Duck) are now published by the
same company it might be likely that in a long term
it will not be economically reasonable for the
company to have two totally different way compiled
36-pager Disney weeklies.
Today those weeklies are way too different. E.g.
Dutch Donald Duck is having absolutely too much old
Egmont stories already seen in Finland years ago.
Changes ahead for both in a future - probably.

- Simo

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Fluks, H.W.
Petri:

> It's not the whole VNU that the Finnish company bought.

Right. Only VNU Tijdschriften B.V.

> Is it the same
> company that publishes and produces stories in Holland?

Yep.

Don:

> > Maybe that will get us even more Kari Korhonen here? 8-)
> You think you're kidding?
> The Finnish company that now owns VNU *is* the company that
> publishes AKU
> ANKKA and the other Finnish Disney publications. This will
> probably mean some interesting future developments...

I don't seriously expect the company to merge its two (culturally very
different) magazine offices.
On the other hand, Finland is already using a lot of Dutch material. So who
knows.

--Harry.
(And the summer here already looks a lot like a sauna...)
Ari Seppi
[OK, SanomaWSOY still has some more countries to take over before they are
the only Disney comics publisher in the world. :-)]

Petri:
>Maybe we get to see more Dutch-stories here.

Isn't this already happening? It seems that the amount of Dutch comics has
been rising (in Aku Ankka too).

Harry:
>Petri:
>> Is it the same
>> company that publishes and produces stories in Holland?
>Yep.

Hmm... This might explain the increased Dutch material (Aku Ankka's cover
change a few years ago, Kuukauden Sarjisekstra -magazine...)

Petri:
>We might start to call Dutch stories Finnish stories. ;-)

Oh, not that. That would ruin the rarity value of the Finnish stories. :-)

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Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
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Stefan Persson
>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Relations
>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 18:34:30 +0100
>
>Ari:
>
> > This might explain the increased Dutch material (Aku
> > Ankka's cover
> > change a few years ago, Kuukauden Sarjisekstra -magazine...)
>
>This must be a coincicence. Both companies only knew about the takeover in
>the past few months.
>
>Probably the Finns have a natural sense for quality. 8-)

The Dutch material has also increased in Sweden, and at the same time Egmont
began to use a lot of Dutch covers, too. But since about a year ago most
covers have been of Danish origin again.

Stefan

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Fluks, H.W.
Ari:

> This might explain the increased Dutch material (Aku
> Ankka's cover
> change a few years ago, Kuukauden Sarjisekstra -magazine...)

This must be a coincicence. Both companies only knew about the takeover in
the past few months.

Probably the Finns have a natural sense for quality. 8-)

--Harry.
Ari Seppi
Harry:
>This must be a coincicence. Both companies only knew about the takeover in
>the past few months.

Oh, so it was really that fast. I assumed it to be more planned.

>Probably the Finns have a natural sense for quality. 8-)

Of course we do. :-)

Stefan:
>The Dutch material has also increased in Sweden, and at the same time Egmont
>began to use a lot of Dutch covers, too. But since about a year ago most
>covers have been of Danish origin again.

Dutchism is a general trend then (what about other countries). Was the
increase of Dutch stories more permanent than the cover experiment? Does
anyone have some percetages?

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Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
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Fluks, H.W.
In case anyone is still interested:

The Dutch weekly DONALD DUCK is currently 2.80 guilders (by advice) = BEF 51
= 400 Pesetas = 1.27 Euro. You get 40 pages, including 4 pages of
advertisements and 3 pages non-Disney comics.

The Dutch monthly (4-weekly, actually) DONALD DUCK EXTRA is 3.45 guilders
(by advice) = 1.57 Euro. You get 32 pages of (Egmont / Old USA) comics, plus
a cover, an editorial page, and 2 ad pages.

With "by advice" I mean that retailers are allowed to sell them at different
(lower) prices, if they want to. Until recently, this was not allowed.

BTW, subscribers get the comics at a lower price, delivered at home, a few
days before they are in the shops.

--Harry.
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Hi friends
I know there was a comic convention in Luxembourg only some weeks ago.
Could one or some of
you who were there tell us about that? I for one would be very
interested in hearing about such a thing.

Overmore I would wonder if there's anyone who knows about the release
of the next Rosa-book in Finland.
When will it be released? What is going to be in it apart from The Lost
Crown Of The Crusader Kings?
And will there be some signing sessions with Don Rosa, as last time,
when the Kalevala-book was released?

A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk
Arthur De Wolf
Hi,

Anders wrote:
> Could one or some of
> you who were there tell us about that?

I was in Luxemburg on Saturday July 14th. It was a 5 hour drive from my home
in Rotterdam. The town in which the comic convention was, Contern, was very
small. Like Rosa said, the comic convention took over the entire town. The
streets in the center were set off. You had to pay entrance to enter the
center of the town (only ~ US$ 2 though). There were stands and tents
everywhere. Most of the Disney comics they had were German, but not so many.
I couldn't find much of interest for myself. Don Rosa was in a seperate
building from all the other artists. The building he was in was a cultural
center. There were thousands of flies inside. Rosa was very busy making
quick drawings for a long line of eager fans. My wife and I asked for a
self-portrait, which is now beautifully framed hanging in our apartment.

It rained a lot when we were there. We arrived at 10am and left at 2pm. By
the time we left, the entire main street was flooded. There were 2 inches of
water over the entire street we had to go through. The people of the stands
were packing up. Comics were floating around down the street. Except for the
drawing, we were soaking wet when we got to the car. We decided to drive
home instead of camping in Luxemburg, which was our original plan.

Kind regards,

Arthur de Wolf
Rotterdam, the Netherlands
DCW: http://www.wolfstad.com/dcw
Ari Seppi
Anders:
>Overmore I would wonder if there's anyone who knows about the release
>of the next Rosa-book in Finland.
>When will it be released?

This year. Since there hasn't been any ads yet, and the release will
probably be before Christmas, the likely months are September, October and
Novevember. The release month was November in 1999, so I'll place my bet on
that this year too.

>And will there be some signing sessions with Don Rosa, as last time,
>when the Kalevala-book was released?

If he does, this time I'll try to be there early enough to make sure, I
don't lose anything. Considering Don's increased popularity I probably
should prepare a tent.

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Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Eritt?in fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
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