- - - - - - -
Dan Gheno article "A Casual Visit with Carl Barks"
"http://www.dangheno.net/mass_media_writings.htm"
Contains some rare photographs. The Article originally
appeared in Crusader Comments, Buyers Guide, Circa 1973.
- - - - - - -
The Kings and Queens of Mythology
"http://www.enchantedimages.com"
Follow "Carl Barks" link, and then "Kings and Queens of Mythology"
to see these non-Disney Barks paintings:
- King Midas (76-08)
- Old King Cole (77-01)
- King Neptune (77-02)
- King Beowulf (78-40)
- Queen of Sheba (96-08)
About "Queen of Sheba", The HTML BarksBase writes:
unfinished ? 8-96 ? oil
Probably Barks began this picture already in 1977 as the 4th painting
of his series ?Kings and Queens of Myth and Legend?.
"http://www.barksbase.de/english/"
Follow "Paintings" and then "Non-Disney paintings".
This site contains a very detailed investigation of Barks' paintings.
-- Daniel
"As we guzzled down the last of our Cokes, Barks pulled out a
photo-statted copy of his very last "Woodchuck" script.
Yet, unlike most comic book scripts it was not type written.
On the contrary, it was drawn out, panel by panel. It was
rendered so expertly, that the script alone could easily serve
as the finished product."
(Dan Gheno - A Casual Visit with Carl Barks)
Author
Topic: 200108
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks sites, about a visit and mythology paintings
Message 61 -
2001-08-10 at 05:45:07
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Danish Mythtic Mystery with goats
Message 62 -
2001-08-10 at 07:15:37
Mythic Mystery (US 34) was altered by a Danish publisher in the
early 1960?s. Thor?s horses were changed into more accurate goats,
which is what they should be.
Example, scanned by Timo Ronkainen, from a xerox:
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/us34-01_danish_goats.gif"
Do you know which publications contain this version?
(Anders And & Co. 1962-28?)
Do you know where to find historical pictures of Thor with goats?
- Daniel
early 1960?s. Thor?s horses were changed into more accurate goats,
which is what they should be.
Example, scanned by Timo Ronkainen, from a xerox:
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/us34-01_danish_goats.gif"
Do you know which publications contain this version?
(Anders And & Co. 1962-28?)
Do you know where to find historical pictures of Thor with goats?
- Daniel
Olivier
Danish Mythtic Mystery with goats
Message 63 -
2001-08-10 at 15:18:13
Hi everyone!
Thanks for the information & scan, Daniel & Timo!
Let's see what we can find about Thor, especially pictures...
(no particular order; just as I find them)
The Encyclopaedia of Norse Mythology
http://www.todd.reimer.com/norse/myth.html#Tanngniost
says that
"Thor rides in a chariot drawn by two goats, Tanngniost (Toothgnasher)
and Tanngrisnir (Toothgrinder). The rolling of the wheels of this chariot is
said to create the thunder that rolls across the heavens."
"Thor's goats could be killed, eaten and revived the next day."
Bulfinch's Mythology ( http://www.bulfinch.org/ )
has an image of Thor and his goats:
http://www.bulfinch.org/fables/bull38.html
(middle of the page)
Not a painting, just a nice drawing.
Art Magick has a painting of Thor
( http://www.artmagick.com/artists/fuseli1.asp#pics )
(bottom of the page), but no goats:
"Thor in the Boat of Hymir"
Thundrune ( http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/rune/399/main.html )
has "Thor Art" and "Classic Thor Pictures" pages; unfortunately,
the latter is a dead link; but on the former has a painting of
"Thor leading the Wild Host" ("A wild aerial procession of spirits
of the dead and Valkyries"); an enlarged detail shows-- er--
well, I can see at least the head of one of the goats.
Thor Minirace ( http://home.12fuel.dk/~thor/ ) : logo.
no great art, just funny.
The Thorshof Thor Page ( http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thor.htm )
has a modern painting of Thor
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thorpic.htm
with some explanation of the symbolic objects (hammer, the thunder flowers, ...).
You will Encarta's first article on Scandinavian Mythology at
http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/43/0431C000.htm?z=1&pg=2&br=1
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/thor.html
has a picture of Odin & Thor-- but no chariot:
http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/norse/thor.html
They have nice engravings of the Thor and Odin (especially Odin),
but Thor is pictured standing.
A page full of information on the Norse Gods (well, there surely are others,
but here's one):
The Pre-Ragnarok Viking Gods
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thorpic.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/13803/stories/thor.html
has a small (that's SMALL) picture of a painting on which you can see
the goats (it's more like a "thumbnail"; but it doesn't link to a larger pix).
http://www.werner-forman-archive.com/Vikings.htm
has pictures of artefacts. Too bad there aren't larger pix.
http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/english/vikingstudies/davidsen/topic1.html
links to
http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/english/vikingstudies/davidsen/researchdocument.html#topic1
which seems to be a rather thorough study of the Marvel's super hero:
"Norse Mythology on Comic Books"-- a very long text.
At the middle of the essay linked to above is a chapter entitled
"The Nine Realms: Interpretations of the Universe".
http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~darmou/asatru_tree.html
displays a diagram of "The Asatru Nine Worlds"
(another site explains Asatru means "treu/loyal to the gods") (?)
... and
http://www.akasha.demon.co.uk/norse.htm
has a very nice diagram of "The Realms of Norse Mythology"
http://www.christmas-day.com/history.html
tells about the relationship between Santa, Odin and Thor.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~aburnham/eng/thorstone.htm
large picture of
"An impressive seven-foot tall standing stone, told in local folklore
to have been a thunderbolt cast down from the skies by Thor, God of storms,
according to Corbett (1962), and first recorded in the late thirteenth century
in the survey of the Chadlington hundred."
I'll stop here. That's enough pages surfed through.
Howcome Barks drew horses instead of goats? There must have been no
mention of them in his sources. Strange: it seems to be a fixed attribute that
should be mentioned everywhere, like his hammer.
The Duck tales by such authors as Barks and Don Rosa are truly wonderful
springboards to learn about history, geography, and mythology. I've wanted
for a while to do a Junior Woodchucks Guidebook on my site with (at least)
links to sites so that when you read "Mythtic Mystery" you can find about the
Norse Gods, or about the Panama Canal when you read "The Sharpie [...]".
Problem: it's a lot of work. But I think I will do a page of links such as this
list.
Have a nice and instructive trip through these pages!
Olivier
Thanks for the information & scan, Daniel & Timo!
Let's see what we can find about Thor, especially pictures...
(no particular order; just as I find them)
The Encyclopaedia of Norse Mythology
http://www.todd.reimer.com/norse/myth.html#Tanngniost
says that
"Thor rides in a chariot drawn by two goats, Tanngniost (Toothgnasher)
and Tanngrisnir (Toothgrinder). The rolling of the wheels of this chariot is
said to create the thunder that rolls across the heavens."
"Thor's goats could be killed, eaten and revived the next day."
Bulfinch's Mythology ( http://www.bulfinch.org/ )
has an image of Thor and his goats:
http://www.bulfinch.org/fables/bull38.html
(middle of the page)
Not a painting, just a nice drawing.
Art Magick has a painting of Thor
( http://www.artmagick.com/artists/fuseli1.asp#pics )
(bottom of the page), but no goats:
"Thor in the Boat of Hymir"
Thundrune ( http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/rune/399/main.html )
has "Thor Art" and "Classic Thor Pictures" pages; unfortunately,
the latter is a dead link; but on the former has a painting of
"Thor leading the Wild Host" ("A wild aerial procession of spirits
of the dead and Valkyries"); an enlarged detail shows-- er--
well, I can see at least the head of one of the goats.
Thor Minirace ( http://home.12fuel.dk/~thor/ ) : logo.
no great art, just funny.
The Thorshof Thor Page ( http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thor.htm )
has a modern painting of Thor
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thorpic.htm
with some explanation of the symbolic objects (hammer, the thunder flowers, ...).
You will Encarta's first article on Scandinavian Mythology at
http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/43/0431C000.htm?z=1&pg=2&br=1
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/thor.html
has a picture of Odin & Thor-- but no chariot:
http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/europe/norse/thor.html
They have nice engravings of the Thor and Odin (especially Odin),
but Thor is pictured standing.
A page full of information on the Norse Gods (well, there surely are others,
but here's one):
The Pre-Ragnarok Viking Gods
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~skegga/thorpic.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/13803/stories/thor.html
has a small (that's SMALL) picture of a painting on which you can see
the goats (it's more like a "thumbnail"; but it doesn't link to a larger pix).
http://www.werner-forman-archive.com/Vikings.htm
has pictures of artefacts. Too bad there aren't larger pix.
http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/english/vikingstudies/davidsen/topic1.html
links to
http://www.gettysburg.edu/academics/english/vikingstudies/davidsen/researchdocument.html#topic1
which seems to be a rather thorough study of the Marvel's super hero:
"Norse Mythology on Comic Books"-- a very long text.
At the middle of the essay linked to above is a chapter entitled
"The Nine Realms: Interpretations of the Universe".
http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~darmou/asatru_tree.html
displays a diagram of "The Asatru Nine Worlds"
(another site explains Asatru means "treu/loyal to the gods") (?)
... and
http://www.akasha.demon.co.uk/norse.htm
has a very nice diagram of "The Realms of Norse Mythology"
http://www.christmas-day.com/history.html
tells about the relationship between Santa, Odin and Thor.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~aburnham/eng/thorstone.htm
large picture of
"An impressive seven-foot tall standing stone, told in local folklore
to have been a thunderbolt cast down from the skies by Thor, God of storms,
according to Corbett (1962), and first recorded in the late thirteenth century
in the survey of the Chadlington hundred."
I'll stop here. That's enough pages surfed through.
Howcome Barks drew horses instead of goats? There must have been no
mention of them in his sources. Strange: it seems to be a fixed attribute that
should be mentioned everywhere, like his hammer.
The Duck tales by such authors as Barks and Don Rosa are truly wonderful
springboards to learn about history, geography, and mythology. I've wanted
for a while to do a Junior Woodchucks Guidebook on my site with (at least)
links to sites so that when you read "Mythtic Mystery" you can find about the
Norse Gods, or about the Panama Canal when you read "The Sharpie [...]".
Problem: it's a lot of work. But I think I will do a page of links such as this
list.
Have a nice and instructive trip through these pages!
Olivier
Anders Christian Sivebaek
Re 630: albums and Goats
Message 64 -
2001-08-10 at 16:39:29
> In Norway the Ducks don't go to Norway in the Lemming story.
> They're going to 'Ostlandia' (Cheese-landia). I guess Norway isn't as
> exotic in Norway as it was to Barks :-)
Here too, but still we're aware that Norway is in the question.
I noticed there's a leming in the background when Donald and the kids
go back to Norway in the From Duckburg to Lillehamme-story by Don.
> >I think the series might even
> > have went on in some double albums also featuring Lucky Luke and
other
> > album-charecters.
> Correct. I don't have of the books. (I hate the idea of putting two
> different albums in one book with a cheap-looking cover).
Me too. but still they were published. Did they have new Barks-albums,
or where they
actually all reprints, if you know?
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> Subject: Danish Mythtic Mystery with goats
> Mythic Mystery (US 34) was altered by a Danish publisher in the
> early 1960?s.
That publisher would be Egmont H. Petersen's fond (fund).
I am going to make a search in my collection as to see when they
actually began
to write Gutenberghus isntead. Later some year in the 90'es they
changed back to
calling themselves Egmont.
The beloved kodex is from Gutenberghus, though it would maybe originate
somewhere in America. (What was that? Calling the kodex beloved? Irony,
Sarcasm or pure blasphemy?)
> Thor?s horses were changed into more accurate goats,
> which is what they should be.
It's correct that it should be goats, but these aren't, they the most
ridicoulous,
most ugly editors corrections I've ever seen! If they really wanted to
correct the
mistakes in the story, they should have contacted Western and they
should
have told Barks to redo the story, with goats, and the right hammer
(Mj?lner).
But why would they do that, we're talking comics - they are for
children - and
they don't deserve quality, right? (what the ....?!?)
> Example, scanned by Timo Ronkainen, from a xerox:
> "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/us34-01_danish_goats.gif"
I'll make a color scan of the original panel tonight, and tell you
where I put it.
> Do you know which publications contain this version?
> (Anders And & Co. 1962-28?)
I would presume that the scandinavian publishers cooperated then as now
-
though there might have been a large pause inbetween the 60'es and now.
So KA 1962-28 and DD1962-28 would be good guesses, though you swedish
and
nowrwegian people here would have to check that. The story doesn't seem
to be published
in germany at the same time, only in MM in 1987, so that would be the
correct
(erm... no, Barks-) version with horses.
> Do you know where to find historical pictures of Thor with goats?
Noone had cameras back then, I would say, just to be funny.
(On the other hand, did any wikings ever see these gods, or did they
make them up?
ask that question to any religion and you'd be hang in certain
countries...)
And I guess the album series Valhalla would be too new, though i would
do a
scan for you, if you like (I would have to borrow the album 1 first).
Seriously, i wouldn't know where to find older paintings or drawings of
those goats. -
I have new books with drawings of the norse gods and such, but that
wouldn't help much...
Yours
AC
> They're going to 'Ostlandia' (Cheese-landia). I guess Norway isn't as
> exotic in Norway as it was to Barks :-)
Here too, but still we're aware that Norway is in the question.
I noticed there's a leming in the background when Donald and the kids
go back to Norway in the From Duckburg to Lillehamme-story by Don.
> >I think the series might even
> > have went on in some double albums also featuring Lucky Luke and
other
> > album-charecters.
> Correct. I don't have of the books. (I hate the idea of putting two
> different albums in one book with a cheap-looking cover).
Me too. but still they were published. Did they have new Barks-albums,
or where they
actually all reprints, if you know?
Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> Subject: Danish Mythtic Mystery with goats
> Mythic Mystery (US 34) was altered by a Danish publisher in the
> early 1960?s.
That publisher would be Egmont H. Petersen's fond (fund).
I am going to make a search in my collection as to see when they
actually began
to write Gutenberghus isntead. Later some year in the 90'es they
changed back to
calling themselves Egmont.
The beloved kodex is from Gutenberghus, though it would maybe originate
somewhere in America. (What was that? Calling the kodex beloved? Irony,
Sarcasm or pure blasphemy?)
> Thor?s horses were changed into more accurate goats,
> which is what they should be.
It's correct that it should be goats, but these aren't, they the most
ridicoulous,
most ugly editors corrections I've ever seen! If they really wanted to
correct the
mistakes in the story, they should have contacted Western and they
should
have told Barks to redo the story, with goats, and the right hammer
(Mj?lner).
But why would they do that, we're talking comics - they are for
children - and
they don't deserve quality, right? (what the ....?!?)
> Example, scanned by Timo Ronkainen, from a xerox:
> "http://www.seriesam.com/barks/us34-01_danish_goats.gif"
I'll make a color scan of the original panel tonight, and tell you
where I put it.
> Do you know which publications contain this version?
> (Anders And & Co. 1962-28?)
I would presume that the scandinavian publishers cooperated then as now
-
though there might have been a large pause inbetween the 60'es and now.
So KA 1962-28 and DD1962-28 would be good guesses, though you swedish
and
nowrwegian people here would have to check that. The story doesn't seem
to be published
in germany at the same time, only in MM in 1987, so that would be the
correct
(erm... no, Barks-) version with horses.
> Do you know where to find historical pictures of Thor with goats?
Noone had cameras back then, I would say, just to be funny.
(On the other hand, did any wikings ever see these gods, or did they
make them up?
ask that question to any religion and you'd be hang in certain
countries...)
And I guess the album series Valhalla would be too new, though i would
do a
scan for you, if you like (I would have to borrow the album 1 first).
Seriously, i wouldn't know where to find older paintings or drawings of
those goats. -
I have new books with drawings of the norse gods and such, but that
wouldn't help much...
Yours
AC
Øyvind K. Sigerstad
Rosas Calendar
Message 65 -
2001-08-10 at 20:01:29
Do anyone have the finnish Calendar that Don drow to sell me?
oifind at online.no
oifind at online.no
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Letters from Carl Barks - part 1
Message 66 -
2001-08-11 at 07:28:18
Since last year I got so busy with the information and material sent
to me by people, that I got very much behind in processing it all.
Thanks to software made for me by a friend (who's DCML-member, too),
I'm now able to work faster. If I don't spend too much time on writing
this very explanation, I might even catch up! :-)
Now, finally, the subject of this email:
A b/w xerox of below typewritten letter was sent to me on November 8, 2000.
Transcription is made by me. I hope it's free of errors. I will make a scan
of the xerox available. As far as I know this letter is unpublished.
If it isn't, please let me know.
Some notes about the contents of the letter:
"Belles to the Klondike" is a non-Disney oil, with number "#20-78"
on the back. It is part of the series "Famous Figures Of History As
They Might Have Looked Had Their Genes Gotten Mixed With Waterfowl."
The back also notes "Comic Art Collection Of T.L. Taylor" and
"Reproduction of this subject in whole or in part prohibited
without written permission of the artist CARL BARKS".
In the below letter, Barks gives additional information about this
copyright notice. He also refers to "lean years", which I think is
a reference to having quit with painting his more popular Disney
subjects in 1976. (Temporarily, as it turned out.)
-- Daniel
- - - - - - -
June 1, 1990
Dear Mr. Leppala:
Thank you for your interesting letter of May 25th and for the
photos and comic books. I am astonished to learn that BELLES OF
THE KLONDIKE has traveled all the way to Finland and that it has
commanded such a respectable price as $65,000 (U.S.). My records
show that I painted and sold the subject in 1978 to a collector
named Terry Taylor for $600. I hope he got a substantial part of
that huge increase in price. It was the patronage of venturesome
buyers like him that kept me going in those lean years.
As for the copyright notice on the back of the painting, it is
intended to stop people from reproducing the subject in such ways
as posters or multiple prints for individual sales. I have no ob-
jection to its use as part of a magazine or newspaper article.
I would only object if Roope-Seta printed it as a "tip-in" on
glossy paper that could be lifted from the magazine whole.
You ask how many non-Disney subjects I have painted. My record
books show that I dashed off about 67, of which 53 are small
8x10 inch comic watercolors. The others are 14x18 inch and 16x20
inch oils. I did a few small landscape paintings in the 1950s
and 1960s that I do not count.
I want to thank collectors like yourself for bidding up the
prices of my older paintings to such respectable levels. You in-
spire new buyers to pay good prices for my new paintings. I only
regret that I am now so old and slow I can barely paint two
subjects a year.
Sincerely
Carl Barks
- - - - - - -
to me by people, that I got very much behind in processing it all.
Thanks to software made for me by a friend (who's DCML-member, too),
I'm now able to work faster. If I don't spend too much time on writing
this very explanation, I might even catch up! :-)
Now, finally, the subject of this email:
A b/w xerox of below typewritten letter was sent to me on November 8, 2000.
Transcription is made by me. I hope it's free of errors. I will make a scan
of the xerox available. As far as I know this letter is unpublished.
If it isn't, please let me know.
Some notes about the contents of the letter:
"Belles to the Klondike" is a non-Disney oil, with number "#20-78"
on the back. It is part of the series "Famous Figures Of History As
They Might Have Looked Had Their Genes Gotten Mixed With Waterfowl."
The back also notes "Comic Art Collection Of T.L. Taylor" and
"Reproduction of this subject in whole or in part prohibited
without written permission of the artist CARL BARKS".
In the below letter, Barks gives additional information about this
copyright notice. He also refers to "lean years", which I think is
a reference to having quit with painting his more popular Disney
subjects in 1976. (Temporarily, as it turned out.)
-- Daniel
- - - - - - -
June 1, 1990
Dear Mr. Leppala:
Thank you for your interesting letter of May 25th and for the
photos and comic books. I am astonished to learn that BELLES OF
THE KLONDIKE has traveled all the way to Finland and that it has
commanded such a respectable price as $65,000 (U.S.). My records
show that I painted and sold the subject in 1978 to a collector
named Terry Taylor for $600. I hope he got a substantial part of
that huge increase in price. It was the patronage of venturesome
buyers like him that kept me going in those lean years.
As for the copyright notice on the back of the painting, it is
intended to stop people from reproducing the subject in such ways
as posters or multiple prints for individual sales. I have no ob-
jection to its use as part of a magazine or newspaper article.
I would only object if Roope-Seta printed it as a "tip-in" on
glossy paper that could be lifted from the magazine whole.
You ask how many non-Disney subjects I have painted. My record
books show that I dashed off about 67, of which 53 are small
8x10 inch comic watercolors. The others are 14x18 inch and 16x20
inch oils. I did a few small landscape paintings in the 1950s
and 1960s that I do not count.
I want to thank collectors like yourself for bidding up the
prices of my older paintings to such respectable levels. You in-
spire new buyers to pay good prices for my new paintings. I only
regret that I am now so old and slow I can barely paint two
subjects a year.
Sincerely
Carl Barks
- - - - - - -
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Letters from Carl Barks - part 2 (last, for now)
Message 67 -
2001-08-11 at 09:18:49
A b/w xerox of below typewritten letter was sent to me on November 8, 2000.
Transcription is made by me. I hope it's free of errors. I will make a
scan of the xerox available. As far as I know this letter is unpublished.
If it isn't, please let me know.
Some notes about the contents of the letter:
A temporary scan of a photo of "Utah Color" can be found at
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/ndp_utah_color-temp_scan.jpg"
Temporary, because I think there are some spots which do not appear
on the photo. (Not counting the flash light.) I briefly reconnected
my flawsy scanner in order to illustrate this letter's contents.
Otherwise it would have had to wait until I have searched and bought
a new one. (Hopefully with a longer lifetime! Snort! Snort!)
The poem is "Ode to the Disney Ducks". A transcription of this poem
can be found at "http://www.barksbase.de/english/", by following the
link "About Carl Barks". The poem is at the bottom of the biography.
Also notice Barks' comment on the possibilities of internet.
BTW. This is be the last part, for now.
-- Daniel
- - - - - - -
May 11, 1999
Markku Kivekas
Dear Markku:
????Many thanks for the birthday presents. Those books of duck stories
make a big impression on people here.
????Thanks, too, for sending the color photo of the little landscape
Marko Leppala bought at a Christie auction. I haven't much record of
the painting. My sales book says I sold it to Bill Grandey in 1988 for
600 dollars. It is one of a few subjects that I used for experiments in
composition and color in the 1950's and 60's.
????Some were watercolors and gouache, some acrylics, and some oils.
This subject, "Utah Color", was one I did over and over with mountains
of different shapes and colors. The buildings were adapted from a
lesson sketch in an old time watercolor instruction book. I invented
the sheep and foreground field.
????I can't remember if this painting started as a watercolor on heavy
paper stock and then was finished with heavy opaque gouache, or if it
was finished with oil colors. It is a good example of how I slowly
changed from a black and white ink cartoonist into an "artist".
????Am glad you like the short poem I wrote about the Disney ducks.
I was inspired by letters I often receive from fans saying they like
the way I taught little lessons in human decency and sensible behavior
in my stories. Believe me, my first aim in constructing scripts was to
make the situations funny. The little lessons crept in as part of the fun.
????I am pleased to see so much interest in the duck stories and paintings.
It proves that Duckburg and its citizens are part of the whole world's
culture and lifestyle. In spite of the present shutdown of duck comics in
America, they will make a comeback even here.
????I think it will be in a form that readers download from the Internet
instead of in flimsy books that sell on Newsstands.
????Good luck to you and all the folks at Aku Ankka. I continue to live on
in fairly good health at 98. My eyesight is growing dim, but otherwise I'm
enjoying good luck, too.
Sincerely,
Carl
- - - - -
Transcription is made by me. I hope it's free of errors. I will make a
scan of the xerox available. As far as I know this letter is unpublished.
If it isn't, please let me know.
Some notes about the contents of the letter:
A temporary scan of a photo of "Utah Color" can be found at
"http://www.seriesam.com/barks/ndp_utah_color-temp_scan.jpg"
Temporary, because I think there are some spots which do not appear
on the photo. (Not counting the flash light.) I briefly reconnected
my flawsy scanner in order to illustrate this letter's contents.
Otherwise it would have had to wait until I have searched and bought
a new one. (Hopefully with a longer lifetime! Snort! Snort!)
The poem is "Ode to the Disney Ducks". A transcription of this poem
can be found at "http://www.barksbase.de/english/", by following the
link "About Carl Barks". The poem is at the bottom of the biography.
Also notice Barks' comment on the possibilities of internet.
BTW. This is be the last part, for now.
-- Daniel
- - - - - - -
May 11, 1999
Markku Kivekas
Dear Markku:
????Many thanks for the birthday presents. Those books of duck stories
make a big impression on people here.
????Thanks, too, for sending the color photo of the little landscape
Marko Leppala bought at a Christie auction. I haven't much record of
the painting. My sales book says I sold it to Bill Grandey in 1988 for
600 dollars. It is one of a few subjects that I used for experiments in
composition and color in the 1950's and 60's.
????Some were watercolors and gouache, some acrylics, and some oils.
This subject, "Utah Color", was one I did over and over with mountains
of different shapes and colors. The buildings were adapted from a
lesson sketch in an old time watercolor instruction book. I invented
the sheep and foreground field.
????I can't remember if this painting started as a watercolor on heavy
paper stock and then was finished with heavy opaque gouache, or if it
was finished with oil colors. It is a good example of how I slowly
changed from a black and white ink cartoonist into an "artist".
????Am glad you like the short poem I wrote about the Disney ducks.
I was inspired by letters I often receive from fans saying they like
the way I taught little lessons in human decency and sensible behavior
in my stories. Believe me, my first aim in constructing scripts was to
make the situations funny. The little lessons crept in as part of the fun.
????I am pleased to see so much interest in the duck stories and paintings.
It proves that Duckburg and its citizens are part of the whole world's
culture and lifestyle. In spite of the present shutdown of duck comics in
America, they will make a comeback even here.
????I think it will be in a form that readers download from the Internet
instead of in flimsy books that sell on Newsstands.
????Good luck to you and all the folks at Aku Ankka. I continue to live on
in fairly good health at 98. My eyesight is growing dim, but otherwise I'm
enjoying good luck, too.
Sincerely,
Carl
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Jyri Lehtinen
Questions
Message 68 -
2001-08-12 at 15:51:52
Hi, while reading the chapter XII of L&T I started
wondering what does srooge say (or does he?) in the
english version when donald and the boys meet Srooge
the first time in the dranatic half page panel?
In the finnish version Srooge says few lines which are
suppose to explain why Donald has been treated as
Srooges brothers child. Then on the next page HD&L
tell that they really are donalds sisters kids.
Then there's the panel where Donald mocks the Eisner
award. I suppose there was somethin there before it
was won, what kind panel there was?
Then reading the lost charts of Columbus I started
wondering what does the lawyer guy say in the english
version(if fhere has been one) thwhen he throws away
the cross and says smething about not carrying your
cross if it isn't necessery. Very funny phrase in
finnish.
Thanks for your answers!
Jyri
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wondering what does srooge say (or does he?) in the
english version when donald and the boys meet Srooge
the first time in the dranatic half page panel?
In the finnish version Srooge says few lines which are
suppose to explain why Donald has been treated as
Srooges brothers child. Then on the next page HD&L
tell that they really are donalds sisters kids.
Then there's the panel where Donald mocks the Eisner
award. I suppose there was somethin there before it
was won, what kind panel there was?
Then reading the lost charts of Columbus I started
wondering what does the lawyer guy say in the english
version(if fhere has been one) thwhen he throws away
the cross and says smething about not carrying your
cross if it isn't necessery. Very funny phrase in
finnish.
Thanks for your answers!
Jyri
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Strange scene in Cibola story? (US 7)
Message 69 -
2001-08-12 at 20:04:21
CAREY FURLONG to FRANCESCO SPREAFICO and me, 21-06-2001:
> [panel 9.6] Perhaps, and in agreement with Daniel and Sprea's
> conjectures, Barks may have drawn Donald out and inserted Scrooge
> to make the scene better support the action in the following panels.
I've tried to compile the information and suggestions about this
subject:
- - - - - - -
Panel 9.6: a vase falls apart from a nephew's hands. It's filled with
jewels, but Scrooge doesn't seem impressed. Instead, he only answers
the nephews' observing that the vase fell apart, saying its "No wonder!"
Panel?9.7: all the ducks gather around the vase's contents and Donald
states they're "beads and JEWELS and ornaments of heavy GOLD!"
Panel?9.8: Scrooge suddenly jumps over the jewels greedily, saying "Let
me have a look at that stuff! I'm an EXPERT on GOLD!
Panel?10.1: Scrooge holds the contents of the broken vase in his hands
and says "It's REAL, boys! And the design shows it's at least a THOUSAND
years old!"
The timing of Donald being the first to identify the vase's contents,
followed up by Scrooge's sudden excitement, might seem a bit strange
and hint at a possible change made by Barks after having inked the story
(or at least this scene). If so, then there are several possibilities of
what might have happened.
Possibility 1: Perhaps Barks looked over the story and decided to make
this theoretical scene a bit more visual by inserting the excited Scrooge
into it.
Possibility 2: Perhaps Scrooge has been redrawn over a previous Scrooge,
that maybe, was already excited by the sight of the jewels. Maybe Barks,
re-reading it, decided to add panel?9.7, and had to change Scrooge in panel
9.6 to be consistent with the following panels.
Possibility 3: Perhaps Barks originally had Donald in panel?9.6 instead of
Scrooge. If that were the case, it could have been Donald in panel?9.6
saying, "No Wonder!" and then in panel?9.7 Donald continues to speak,
saying "It was filled with beads and jewels and ornaments of heavy gold,"
thus completing the earlier statement. This has better continuity, at least
as far as the dialog is concerned. Perhaps, Barks may have drawn Donald out
and inserted Scrooge to make the scene better support the action in the
following panels.
- - - - - - -
Additional notes/guesses:
The action of the excited Scrooge in panel 9.8 looks like panel 5.8.
Maybe Barks found that Scrooge would become too impulsive/
over-enthusiastic in case of possibility 2?
In other words, maybe Barks found that *two* of such impulsive Scrooge
scenes (page 5 and 9) would make Scrooge's interaction in the story too
one-dimensional? With panel 9.7 in between panels 9.6 and 9.8, Scrooge's
enthusiasm is "explained better" than without 9.7.
(Perhaps another, additional reason could be that Barks wanted to pad the
scene, with for example a half page worth of material, because otherwise
the visit to the professor would follow too soon?)
In case of possibility 3, the story was changed without nescessarily
having an effect on the length of the scene (or the story).
If the only change would have been replacing Donald by Scrooge, then
I think that Scrooge in panel 9.8 might have looked too much as if he
jumps out of nowhere. Now, with Scrooge on the foreground in panel 9.6
(instead of Donald), Scrooge's jump in panel 9.8 looks visually more
"balanced" to me.
I hope I've managed to write this down in a clear way, but you'll have
to see the scene in front of you to get what I mean.
In order to find out what possibly happened, it's nescessary to
look at the *original* issue Uncle Scrooge 7. Reprints may have
been retouched too much to give a clue. (I don't have this comic,
so I can't check it myself.)
BTW. Possibility 1 was by me.
I find it very unlikely after having read possibilities 2 and 3.
-- Daniel
"THIRTY DOLLARS! That's more money than there is in the world!
GANGWAY! I'M goin' to be an artist, TOO!"
(Which Barks story? Hint: look for bears, not for ducks.)
> [panel 9.6] Perhaps, and in agreement with Daniel and Sprea's
> conjectures, Barks may have drawn Donald out and inserted Scrooge
> to make the scene better support the action in the following panels.
I've tried to compile the information and suggestions about this
subject:
- - - - - - -
Panel 9.6: a vase falls apart from a nephew's hands. It's filled with
jewels, but Scrooge doesn't seem impressed. Instead, he only answers
the nephews' observing that the vase fell apart, saying its "No wonder!"
Panel?9.7: all the ducks gather around the vase's contents and Donald
states they're "beads and JEWELS and ornaments of heavy GOLD!"
Panel?9.8: Scrooge suddenly jumps over the jewels greedily, saying "Let
me have a look at that stuff! I'm an EXPERT on GOLD!
Panel?10.1: Scrooge holds the contents of the broken vase in his hands
and says "It's REAL, boys! And the design shows it's at least a THOUSAND
years old!"
The timing of Donald being the first to identify the vase's contents,
followed up by Scrooge's sudden excitement, might seem a bit strange
and hint at a possible change made by Barks after having inked the story
(or at least this scene). If so, then there are several possibilities of
what might have happened.
Possibility 1: Perhaps Barks looked over the story and decided to make
this theoretical scene a bit more visual by inserting the excited Scrooge
into it.
Possibility 2: Perhaps Scrooge has been redrawn over a previous Scrooge,
that maybe, was already excited by the sight of the jewels. Maybe Barks,
re-reading it, decided to add panel?9.7, and had to change Scrooge in panel
9.6 to be consistent with the following panels.
Possibility 3: Perhaps Barks originally had Donald in panel?9.6 instead of
Scrooge. If that were the case, it could have been Donald in panel?9.6
saying, "No Wonder!" and then in panel?9.7 Donald continues to speak,
saying "It was filled with beads and jewels and ornaments of heavy gold,"
thus completing the earlier statement. This has better continuity, at least
as far as the dialog is concerned. Perhaps, Barks may have drawn Donald out
and inserted Scrooge to make the scene better support the action in the
following panels.
- - - - - - -
Additional notes/guesses:
The action of the excited Scrooge in panel 9.8 looks like panel 5.8.
Maybe Barks found that Scrooge would become too impulsive/
over-enthusiastic in case of possibility 2?
In other words, maybe Barks found that *two* of such impulsive Scrooge
scenes (page 5 and 9) would make Scrooge's interaction in the story too
one-dimensional? With panel 9.7 in between panels 9.6 and 9.8, Scrooge's
enthusiasm is "explained better" than without 9.7.
(Perhaps another, additional reason could be that Barks wanted to pad the
scene, with for example a half page worth of material, because otherwise
the visit to the professor would follow too soon?)
In case of possibility 3, the story was changed without nescessarily
having an effect on the length of the scene (or the story).
If the only change would have been replacing Donald by Scrooge, then
I think that Scrooge in panel 9.8 might have looked too much as if he
jumps out of nowhere. Now, with Scrooge on the foreground in panel 9.6
(instead of Donald), Scrooge's jump in panel 9.8 looks visually more
"balanced" to me.
I hope I've managed to write this down in a clear way, but you'll have
to see the scene in front of you to get what I mean.
In order to find out what possibly happened, it's nescessary to
look at the *original* issue Uncle Scrooge 7. Reprints may have
been retouched too much to give a clue. (I don't have this comic,
so I can't check it myself.)
BTW. Possibility 1 was by me.
I find it very unlikely after having read possibilities 2 and 3.
-- Daniel
"THIRTY DOLLARS! That's more money than there is in the world!
GANGWAY! I'M goin' to be an artist, TOO!"
(Which Barks story? Hint: look for bears, not for ducks.)
Ari Seppi
Extras
Message 70 -
2001-08-12 at 22:42:01
Anders:
>Finns, tell us about the finnish extra, if there is one? Is it as the
>scandinavian one?
No. Our Extra, Kuukauden Sarjisekstra (Monthly Comics Extra), is the
publication mentioned by Petri sometime ago in Relations-discussion. It is
almost 100% Dutch in both comics and covers (often the covers are cut from
the comics and not actual cover-covers).
>(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
>Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you Swedish-like language
speakers.
:-)
--
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http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
>Finns, tell us about the finnish extra, if there is one? Is it as the
>scandinavian one?
No. Our Extra, Kuukauden Sarjisekstra (Monthly Comics Extra), is the
publication mentioned by Petri sometime ago in Relations-discussion. It is
almost 100% Dutch in both comics and covers (often the covers are cut from
the comics and not actual cover-covers).
>(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
>Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you Swedish-like language
speakers.
:-)
--
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Eritt?in fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
Ari Seppi
Relations - "Dutchism"/Swedish weekly/Finnish weekly
Message 71 -
2001-08-12 at 23:03:37
Simo:
>That much for the "dutchism" in weeklies this time.
>It's quite obvious that Danish stories are still the real backbone
>of both weeklies.
I wouldn't give up dutchism just yet. While I don't question the Danish
being the backbone (since they clearly are), I would like to point out the
H- percentages going up, and that...
>AKU ANKKA (Finnish weekly)
>DUTCH STORIES (H -coded stories)
>issues 1999/27-39: 41 pages - 7 stories (9,9% - 9,2%)
>issues 1999/40-52: 56 pages - 10 stories (13,5% - 16,7%)
>issues 2000/01-13: 42 pages - 7 stories (10,0% - 10,0%)
>issues 2000/14-26: 33 pages - 5 stories (8,2% - 7,7%)
... this low figure can be explained by Kuukauden sarjisekstra becoming
Dutch-only publication in May 2000. And after that...
>issues 2000/27-39: 61 pages - 6 stories (14,7% - 9,5%)
>issues 2000/40-52: 68 pages - 12 stories (16,7% - 18,5%)
>issues 2001/01-13: 49 pages - 6 stories (11,5% - 7,9%)
>issues 2001/14-26: 64 pages - 11 stories (16,2% - 20,0%)
>issues 2001/27-31: 33 pages - 6 stories (21,9% - 24,0%) <-
the amount of the Dutch stories has risen in Aku Ankka too.
--
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>That much for the "dutchism" in weeklies this time.
>It's quite obvious that Danish stories are still the real backbone
>of both weeklies.
I wouldn't give up dutchism just yet. While I don't question the Danish
being the backbone (since they clearly are), I would like to point out the
H- percentages going up, and that...
>AKU ANKKA (Finnish weekly)
>DUTCH STORIES (H -coded stories)
>issues 1999/27-39: 41 pages - 7 stories (9,9% - 9,2%)
>issues 1999/40-52: 56 pages - 10 stories (13,5% - 16,7%)
>issues 2000/01-13: 42 pages - 7 stories (10,0% - 10,0%)
>issues 2000/14-26: 33 pages - 5 stories (8,2% - 7,7%)
... this low figure can be explained by Kuukauden sarjisekstra becoming
Dutch-only publication in May 2000. And after that...
>issues 2000/27-39: 61 pages - 6 stories (14,7% - 9,5%)
>issues 2000/40-52: 68 pages - 12 stories (16,7% - 18,5%)
>issues 2001/01-13: 49 pages - 6 stories (11,5% - 7,9%)
>issues 2001/14-26: 64 pages - 11 stories (16,2% - 20,0%)
>issues 2001/27-31: 33 pages - 6 stories (21,9% - 24,0%) <-
the amount of the Dutch stories has risen in Aku Ankka too.
--
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
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Bror.Hellman
Scandinavia
Message 72 -
2001-08-13 at 11:43:44
> How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or
> maybe they are "officially" non-existant?)
No, on the contrary, Swedish is - and have been since the republics
beginning - an official secondary (minority) language in Finland. Native
swedish speaking Finns also have their own variant of Swedish with many
entirely own words and sayings, etc.
Most signs must be bi-lingual, and all cities have two names as well as the
country itself - Finland, or Suomi as it is named in Finnish, Finland
originally being the Swedish name.
Unfortunately - to my embarrasment and shame as a native swede - the finnish
speaking native swedes have had their language "oficially" non-existant for
centuries.. It's a big disgrace I'm afraid, and hope it's not to late to do
something about that. But it's interesting to compare how two neigbouring
countries treats a large language minority so different..
Maybe Finland as a nation is a nation with higher ethics and better morals
than Sweden? *shrug* Not a pleasant thought for me as a Swede...
> Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published
> in Finland?
Yes, and perhaps.. :-) The Swedish weekly are distributed and sold over
large areas of Finland. The Swedish magazine is priced on the cover in both
Swedish Crowns and Finnish Marks, much like american comics with price in
both US and Canadian dollars...
// Steamboat Willie
P.S.
Btw, to all who missed this: Finnish is and Swedish are very different from
each other being originally from two entirely different language groups.
Finnish is related to Hungarian (very distantly) and Sami; and Swedish are
closely related to Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Faeroese and the Swedish
talked in Finland (which I don't know the proper name for in English.. :-(
) There are also many Norwegian, Danish and Swedish dialects that - should
that part be independent - very well could have been a language of it's
own.. Like Gothlandic, Northwestern Norwegian, etc. They are not closer to
one of the major languages than for example Faeroese and Norwegian...
// StW
P.P.S
.. if Finland and Sweden are to each other as the US are to Canada... Which
is Canada and which is the USA? ;-)
// StW
> maybe they are "officially" non-existant?)
No, on the contrary, Swedish is - and have been since the republics
beginning - an official secondary (minority) language in Finland. Native
swedish speaking Finns also have their own variant of Swedish with many
entirely own words and sayings, etc.
Most signs must be bi-lingual, and all cities have two names as well as the
country itself - Finland, or Suomi as it is named in Finnish, Finland
originally being the Swedish name.
Unfortunately - to my embarrasment and shame as a native swede - the finnish
speaking native swedes have had their language "oficially" non-existant for
centuries.. It's a big disgrace I'm afraid, and hope it's not to late to do
something about that. But it's interesting to compare how two neigbouring
countries treats a large language minority so different..
Maybe Finland as a nation is a nation with higher ethics and better morals
than Sweden? *shrug* Not a pleasant thought for me as a Swede...
> Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published
> in Finland?
Yes, and perhaps.. :-) The Swedish weekly are distributed and sold over
large areas of Finland. The Swedish magazine is priced on the cover in both
Swedish Crowns and Finnish Marks, much like american comics with price in
both US and Canadian dollars...
// Steamboat Willie
P.S.
Btw, to all who missed this: Finnish is and Swedish are very different from
each other being originally from two entirely different language groups.
Finnish is related to Hungarian (very distantly) and Sami; and Swedish are
closely related to Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Faeroese and the Swedish
talked in Finland (which I don't know the proper name for in English.. :-(
) There are also many Norwegian, Danish and Swedish dialects that - should
that part be independent - very well could have been a language of it's
own.. Like Gothlandic, Northwestern Norwegian, etc. They are not closer to
one of the major languages than for example Faeroese and Norwegian...
// StW
P.P.S
.. if Finland and Sweden are to each other as the US are to Canada... Which
is Canada and which is the USA? ;-)
// StW
Fluks, H.W.
Ari: Scandinavia
Message 73 -
2001-08-13 at 12:04:36
Ari:
> >(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
> >Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
>
> Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you Swedish-like language
> speakers. :-)
How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or maybe they are
"officially" non-existant?)
Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
--Harry.
> >(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
> >Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
>
> Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you Swedish-like language
> speakers. :-)
How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or maybe they are
"officially" non-existant?)
Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
--Harry.
Kjell Crone
Scandinavia
Message 74 -
2001-08-13 at 13:50:22
Harry:
>>>(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
>>>Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
>> Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you
>>Swedish-like language speakers. :-)
>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland?
>(Or maybe they are "officially" non-existant?)
>Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
1.
Scandinavia consists of Norway, Sweden, Denmark
"Norden" (the Nordic countries) includes Finland, Iceland, Faroe Islands,
Greenland ?
and sometimes also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. A bit confusing.
2.
Swedish is an official language in Finland (perhaps 5% of the population)
and
Finnish is an offical language in Sweden (maybe 3%, it used to be
"illegal").
Also Sami (?-1% ?) and Romani (I think) are offical languages in Sweden.
Thanks to the European Union.
3.
Most Swedish magazines and all Disney comics have prices in SEK and FIM,
so I guess they are sold in Finland too. At least on ?land.
And other "Swedish areas", mainly on the coast.
The Finnish Aku Ankka can be found in Sweden too.
Or could, havn't seen any the last years.
Also American comics like WDC was sold here 1945-1980 (about).
kjell
>>>(Scandinavia, from what I heard, is by finns considered to be Norway,
>>>Sweden, and maybe Denmark, if we have a good day ;-)
>> Yes, it is handy to have a general name for you
>>Swedish-like language speakers. :-)
>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland?
>(Or maybe they are "officially" non-existant?)
>Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
1.
Scandinavia consists of Norway, Sweden, Denmark
"Norden" (the Nordic countries) includes Finland, Iceland, Faroe Islands,
Greenland ?
and sometimes also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. A bit confusing.
2.
Swedish is an official language in Finland (perhaps 5% of the population)
and
Finnish is an offical language in Sweden (maybe 3%, it used to be
"illegal").
Also Sami (?-1% ?) and Romani (I think) are offical languages in Sweden.
Thanks to the European Union.
3.
Most Swedish magazines and all Disney comics have prices in SEK and FIM,
so I guess they are sold in Finland too. At least on ?land.
And other "Swedish areas", mainly on the coast.
The Finnish Aku Ankka can be found in Sweden too.
Or could, havn't seen any the last years.
Also American comics like WDC was sold here 1945-1980 (about).
kjell
Eero-Pekka Halinen
Scandinavia
Message 75 -
2001-08-13 at 13:51:33
Harry:
>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or maybe they are
>"officially" non-existant?)
Swedish is Finland's second official language! 5,63 % of people here in
Finland speak swedish.
>Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
I'm not sure about that, but I'd say no (though I remember that I saw some
-Kalle Anka-collection- here)
Eero-Pekka
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>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or maybe they are
>"officially" non-existant?)
Swedish is Finland's second official language! 5,63 % of people here in
Finland speak swedish.
>Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?
I'm not sure about that, but I'd say no (though I remember that I saw some
-Kalle Anka-collection- here)
Eero-Pekka
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