After more than three years in the list I've finally decided to make an
introduc(k)tion of myself... better late than ever! So if you're not
interested in me don't read on :-)
I've also made a page, with some pictures, some scans of fan drawings I have
and many hyperlinks, maybe too many ;-)
Just check it out at http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo/dcml/introduc.htm
I'll copy the text down here, but my suggestion is rather to go see the
page, here you'd miss the pics and the links. (And if there's something
particularly silly in my English, please do tell me, so that I can correct
the page!)
-------------
Who am I anyway?
I was born way back in 1975, on July 29th in a dark and stormy night... ok
no, it was 10:20 am actually. They tell me that one of the very first toys I
was given was a Mickey Mouse puppet, I wonder if that influenced me
somehow...
The first issue of Topolino I was bought was issue #1057 (02-29-1976), even
though I guess I didn't quite... read it right away. I mainly tore it apart,
but not much, since I still have it and haven't replaced it yet! Anyway I
couldn't read that issue (and the following ones) until I was three; at that
age I learned to read with a series of Disney books titled "Learn to read
with Mickey", quite appropriately. But I switched to comics as soon as I
could. I couldn't buy Topolino every week, my mother didn't like comics
(sigh), so I had to earn it, or to buy it secretly... somehow I got thru
this and starting with issue #1588 I've never missed one anymore. Later I've
bought older issues too, now my collection starts around #700.
(In my mind) I used to sort artists in two groups: those who drew big bodies
and those who drew little bodies. In the first group I had Romano Scarpa
(old and new "versions", I didn't know he was only one artist then!),
Massimo De Vita , Giorgio Cavazzano and Luciano Gatto; in the second Carl
Barks, Giovan Battista Carpi, Guido Scala and Sergio Asteriti. I didn't care
much about the other artist (no decent editions of Gottfredson stories when
I was very young, unfortunately!), nor could I tell the writers yet!
After a while I started keeping a count of how many issues I have, I
remember that the first time I counted them they were 144 (I still have the
piece of paper where I wrote it down somewhere!)... impressive! (now they're
thousands of course, see a sample here at the right)
Then I started keeping files. Paper files since it was the '80's, I barely
had a Commodore 64 and I never even thought of using that for this. I wrote
all the data on notebooks... issue, data, price, title, code... it reminds
me of something! Later, when at last I could associate names to art, I also
started writing down long lists of stories for each artist... what can I
tell you, I've been a mad indexer right from the start! I kept doing this
for years, I remember discussing with my school fellows in 1988 about how
good the "Paperolimpiadi" were (while a friend of mine preferred Massimo De
Vita's stories), but then, in about 1992, my interest dropped.
Topolino was going through a very low quality period (but some gems here and
there of course), and it couldn't interest me as it had alwas done. So, even
though I never stopped buying it, I mostly stopped reading it and didn't
care much about it... until...
In 1996 I saw a new magazine at the newsagent's, it was called "I Maestri
Disney" and I HAD to buy it. It was so great I couldn't believe it was
true... had there been such publication when I was a kid I guess it'd have
been heaven for me! But even in 1996 it was great! I couldn't wait for the
next one, so I took a better look at the stands, and saw "Zio Paperone" #94
(That I had stopped buying around issue #20, oh what a mistake!), so I
bought that too and "met" Don Rosa (I'd already seen him on TV program a
couple of months before, though, but not from the start, so when I'd
realized he was a disney artist the program was over) and all those great
experts like Luca Boschi, Leonardo Gori, Alberto Becattini... that sure got
me hooked again!
At the same time I'd started going to Milan every day (I live 30 miles away
from Milan, but I had to go to University. Now, at last, I'm about to
graduate in Computer Science Engeneering) and there I found comic shops! And
in a comic shop I found the books written by these guys! Yellow book, blue
book, red book... all of them. After a while I also found a book about
Cavazzano edited by Luca Boschi that featured Frank Stajano's Cavazzano
article and many internet addresses. I wasn't connected yet to the internet,
but when I did, in 1998, the first places I went check were these...
Finally, on "Fumo di China" #29 (07/1998) there was an article by Luca
Boschi in which he wrote about Per Starb?ck and the Disney Comic mailing
list. I didn't now yet what a mailing list actually was but I suddenly
remembered that Don Rosa in that TV program had said something about it! So
I just got home, looked for it, found it and subscribed!
I didn't take me long to contact Marco, Paolo and all the other indexin'
guys (we weren't named inducks yet), after all, I had a lot of data to
share!
Now I keep buying Topolino (which quality has improved a bit lately), Zio
Paperone, i Maestri Disney, PK2, Witch and everything reprinting stories by
Scarpa, I've also made a site about him, my little tribute to my favourite
Master.
Lately I've started reading other comics too, Marvel stuff mainly (my
favourite writer's Chris Claremont, favourite great artist, Jack Kirby (of
course!), favourite young artist Salvador Larroca); but this is only a
problem for my wallet, not for disney, because I'll always be reading disney
comics now!
To finish this page, I'll add that I read a lot of science fiction too (I
guess I started by reading some SF disney comic story when I was very young)
and my favourite writer is Robert A. Heinlein. I'm also a fan of Buffy the
Vampire Slayer, Star Wars, Star Trek, and Jim Steinman (a rock music
composer). I guess that's all!
--
Sprea
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo
Author
Topic: 200108
(256 messages)
Francesco Spreafico
My Introduc(k)tion
Message 166 -
2001-08-23 at 02:28:13
Paolo Castagno
Floyd Gottfredson art in BATMAN #180.
Message 167 -
2001-08-23 at 13:03:12
Hello,
JTorci3511 at aol.com wrote:
> On the subject below:
> << BATMAN #180 Text on the CGC label reads "Cream to Off-White pages. DC
> Comics, 5/66, File Copy. Floyd Gottfredson art." >>
>
> My best guess is that the uninformed, just-in-it-for-profit, e-Bay seller of
> "canned CGC goods" may have made a serious mistake.
Thanks to you and to all the others who answered my question, it seemed strange to me
that a Batman story could be missed by our Gottfredson experts.
Ciao,
- Paolo
--
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
Piantala tu e il tuo "de quello" porta-jella! (Un soldato in I TL 274-A)
JTorci3511 at aol.com wrote:
> On the subject below:
> << BATMAN #180 Text on the CGC label reads "Cream to Off-White pages. DC
> Comics, 5/66, File Copy. Floyd Gottfredson art." >>
>
> My best guess is that the uninformed, just-in-it-for-profit, e-Bay seller of
> "canned CGC goods" may have made a serious mistake.
Thanks to you and to all the others who answered my question, it seemed strange to me
that a Batman story could be missed by our Gottfredson experts.
Ciao,
- Paolo
--
http://digilander.iol.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
Piantala tu e il tuo "de quello" porta-jella! (Un soldato in I TL 274-A)
Kriton Kyrimis
Daisy's family
Message 168 -
2001-08-23 at 13:34:16
ANDERS CHRISTIAN:
>> It doesn't make Donald and Daisy have an illegal relationship that
>> Donald's sister is married to Daisy's brother.
I don't know about the U.S. (or Denmark for that matter), but in Greece,
a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
be considered incestuous and would not be permitted. The only way two
siblings would be allowed to marry two other siblings in Greece, would
be if they got married at the same time.
>> Incest. Maybe people from Kentucky can tell you all about it.
> I'm not sure that's the word - or maybe my english vocabulary in head is
> just bad.
> In Denmark we make a difference between incest - a grown-up doing
> freadfull things to a minor
This is paedophilia. The word is Greek, literally meaning "love for
children", which is obviously a euphimism, as love for children is one of
the noblest of emotions. [The non-euphimistic Greek word is "paederasty",
but it doesn't quite mean the same thing in English. Look it up if you
really want to know.]
> and blood-shame (?) being a (sexual)
> relationship between brother and sister or the like
And this is, as Harry mentioned, incest.
> I remember from ancient greek class in danish High School that a classmate
> realised the Gods Zeus and Hera had a blood-shame (?) relationship.
An incestuous relationship. Hera was, indeed, both Zeus's sister and
his wife, a fact which Greeks never attempted to hide. I guess that
this is similar to the situation with the royal houses of Europe, where
everybody is everybody else's cousin, uncle, or nephew. [*Why* does
this suddenly remind me of the ducks? :-)] When the choice is limited
[and in Zeus's case it was extremely limited], incest becomes inevitable.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I don't make threats; but I *do* keep promises!"
-----
>> It doesn't make Donald and Daisy have an illegal relationship that
>> Donald's sister is married to Daisy's brother.
I don't know about the U.S. (or Denmark for that matter), but in Greece,
a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
be considered incestuous and would not be permitted. The only way two
siblings would be allowed to marry two other siblings in Greece, would
be if they got married at the same time.
>> Incest. Maybe people from Kentucky can tell you all about it.
> I'm not sure that's the word - or maybe my english vocabulary in head is
> just bad.
> In Denmark we make a difference between incest - a grown-up doing
> freadfull things to a minor
This is paedophilia. The word is Greek, literally meaning "love for
children", which is obviously a euphimism, as love for children is one of
the noblest of emotions. [The non-euphimistic Greek word is "paederasty",
but it doesn't quite mean the same thing in English. Look it up if you
really want to know.]
> and blood-shame (?) being a (sexual)
> relationship between brother and sister or the like
And this is, as Harry mentioned, incest.
> I remember from ancient greek class in danish High School that a classmate
> realised the Gods Zeus and Hera had a blood-shame (?) relationship.
An incestuous relationship. Hera was, indeed, both Zeus's sister and
his wife, a fact which Greeks never attempted to hide. I guess that
this is similar to the situation with the royal houses of Europe, where
everybody is everybody else's cousin, uncle, or nephew. [*Why* does
this suddenly remind me of the ducks? :-)] When the choice is limited
[and in Zeus's case it was extremely limited], incest becomes inevitable.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I don't make threats; but I *do* keep promises!"
-----
SRoweCanoe
Daisy's family
Message 169 -
2001-08-23 at 17:09:14
taking about if Donald and Daisy had sibblings who had married each other:
<<I don't know about the U.S. (or Denmark for that matter), but in Greece,
a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
be considered incestuous and would not be permitted.>>
Wow, really?
Not in the USA. this would be two unrelated by blood people marrying, and would be considered perfectly acceptable, and indeed some would consider it cute and even praiseworthy. No one would be offended or find it at all shocking.
steven rowe
<<I don't know about the U.S. (or Denmark for that matter), but in Greece,
a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
be considered incestuous and would not be permitted.>>
Wow, really?
Not in the USA. this would be two unrelated by blood people marrying, and would be considered perfectly acceptable, and indeed some would consider it cute and even praiseworthy. No one would be offended or find it at all shocking.
steven rowe
Goofy313g
Clarabelle's family tree, scans needed, clarabelle's uncles, horace's sister dorothy
Message 170 -
2001-08-23 at 18:52:18
Please, could somebody send me scans again of Clarabelle's dead uncles (the brothers Cow) from the messages from the beginning of the month titled Death in Disney Comics
???
they are the only characters missing in my tree
Does somebody know about Horace's sister Dorothy Horsecollar?
If you have any information or scans of her, please send me!!!
Rich just told me that this character existed, but I don't know more about that...
Gilles MAURICE
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/
???
they are the only characters missing in my tree
Does somebody know about Horace's sister Dorothy Horsecollar?
If you have any information or scans of her, please send me!!!
Rich just told me that this character existed, but I don't know more about that...
Gilles MAURICE
http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/
Goofy313g
(no subject)
Message 171 -
2001-08-23 at 19:01:07
Hi!
My Mouse family tree have a lot of blancks, so if you can help me, please DO IT ! :-D
Minnie's parents: I just need scans of them, please
Minnie's unamed aunt from "The 'lectro box", (oct25, 1943-feb5, 1944), in a portrait
Mickey's ancestors from a Gag-a-day strip, Oct 1, 1945
Maisie mouse (mickey's niece): I need scans and informations (first appearance, creator...)
Manfred Mouse (minnie's nephew): Idem Maisie
Amelia Fieldmouse (mickey's sister): I need scans
Uncle Pickley: I need scans (uncle of mickey)
Minnie's uncle Topaze: I need scans
Mickey's family tree published in a journal de Mickey
Thank u !!!
Gilles
My Mouse family tree have a lot of blancks, so if you can help me, please DO IT ! :-D
Minnie's parents: I just need scans of them, please
Minnie's unamed aunt from "The 'lectro box", (oct25, 1943-feb5, 1944), in a portrait
Mickey's ancestors from a Gag-a-day strip, Oct 1, 1945
Maisie mouse (mickey's niece): I need scans and informations (first appearance, creator...)
Manfred Mouse (minnie's nephew): Idem Maisie
Amelia Fieldmouse (mickey's sister): I need scans
Uncle Pickley: I need scans (uncle of mickey)
Minnie's uncle Topaze: I need scans
Mickey's family tree published in a journal de Mickey
Thank u !!!
Gilles
Goofy313g
Pete's family tree, Goofey Family Tree, Donald's dog Fido, Tiki, Dinah's puppies...
Message 172 -
2001-08-23 at 19:10:18
I need scans of Maw Pete, Pete's little twin brother "Li'l Pete", and also informations about them
I need scans of Goofy's uncles Gen. Patten Leather, dell' Orklahoma, Howan Dawg, Verner Von Goof,Joe,Angelo and his Aunt Matilda, Wisteria and Goofilia.
And his great-great-great-great grandpapy Josh
And his cousin Batts, his nephews Roderick and Marmaduke
His niece debbie from Goof Troop, his girlfriend Miss Pennypacker from Goof Troop
Yes, it is the emptiest family tree !!!
I need also scans of Donald's dog fido, Dinah the Daschund's puppies, Tiki from Mouseworks.
Gilles
I need scans of Goofy's uncles Gen. Patten Leather, dell' Orklahoma, Howan Dawg, Verner Von Goof,Joe,Angelo and his Aunt Matilda, Wisteria and Goofilia.
And his great-great-great-great grandpapy Josh
And his cousin Batts, his nephews Roderick and Marmaduke
His niece debbie from Goof Troop, his girlfriend Miss Pennypacker from Goof Troop
Yes, it is the emptiest family tree !!!
I need also scans of Donald's dog fido, Dinah the Daschund's puppies, Tiki from Mouseworks.
Gilles
Fluks, H.W.
Norwegian Carl Barks Index
Message 173 -
2001-08-23 at 20:27:21
Last Saturday, I bought (in a shop in Dordrecht): "The Carl Barks Index.
Originals and Reprints 1942-1984". It contains indexes for the USA and
Norway, up to 1984. Issued by "Barks Friends". I found two familiar names in
the book: Geir Hasnes (DCML member in 1994, haven't heard much from him
recently), and Nils Lid Hjort (DCML member recently, hadn't heard much from
him in 1994. 8-).
This index is interesting for me, since I collect Disney comics indexes (as
part of my "Inducks" project). It was issued in the days when USA comics
were about to stop - 2 years before Gladstone started. With only a few Barks
Library volumes issued (which were also quite expensive), lists of "not yet
reprinted in the USA" comic stories were relevant.
Quote: "New WDCs still may be found once a month, but had a short pause
after an uninteresting no. 500. It is planned to stop this glorious series
permanently."
The cover of the index is beautiful (and has become famous in 1984,
according to the index itself 8-). The index itself is quite accurate, with
only some minor errors. To my surprise, rare stories like the Milkman story
and the Christmas Carol story were only mentioned in a 1-page text piece.
A quote I can fully agree with, about Barks' non-Disney stories: "These
certainly deserve to become better known, in particular the Barney Bear &
Benny Burro stories are small masterpieces."
And then I found something funny in the Norwegian index (Norsk sjekkliste).
As far as my Norwegian goes, it says: "The 'I'-books often have shortened or
changed stories, and panels are trimmed. Note that we didn't put
cross-references to these books from the stories in the American index (out
of protest against the I-books' poor quality)".
(The "I"-books were books like "I, Donald Duck", originally made in Italy,
and published all over Europe...)
All in all, a nice historic document for my collection (also giving me some
nostalgic feeling...).
(Does "Barks Friends" still exist?)
--Harry.
Originals and Reprints 1942-1984". It contains indexes for the USA and
Norway, up to 1984. Issued by "Barks Friends". I found two familiar names in
the book: Geir Hasnes (DCML member in 1994, haven't heard much from him
recently), and Nils Lid Hjort (DCML member recently, hadn't heard much from
him in 1994. 8-).
This index is interesting for me, since I collect Disney comics indexes (as
part of my "Inducks" project). It was issued in the days when USA comics
were about to stop - 2 years before Gladstone started. With only a few Barks
Library volumes issued (which were also quite expensive), lists of "not yet
reprinted in the USA" comic stories were relevant.
Quote: "New WDCs still may be found once a month, but had a short pause
after an uninteresting no. 500. It is planned to stop this glorious series
permanently."
The cover of the index is beautiful (and has become famous in 1984,
according to the index itself 8-). The index itself is quite accurate, with
only some minor errors. To my surprise, rare stories like the Milkman story
and the Christmas Carol story were only mentioned in a 1-page text piece.
A quote I can fully agree with, about Barks' non-Disney stories: "These
certainly deserve to become better known, in particular the Barney Bear &
Benny Burro stories are small masterpieces."
And then I found something funny in the Norwegian index (Norsk sjekkliste).
As far as my Norwegian goes, it says: "The 'I'-books often have shortened or
changed stories, and panels are trimmed. Note that we didn't put
cross-references to these books from the stories in the American index (out
of protest against the I-books' poor quality)".
(The "I"-books were books like "I, Donald Duck", originally made in Italy,
and published all over Europe...)
All in all, a nice historic document for my collection (also giving me some
nostalgic feeling...).
(Does "Barks Friends" still exist?)
--Harry.
WL Lilly
" Inpending U.S. Deal "
Message 174 -
2001-08-23 at 21:31:21
So , will this inpending U,S. deal lead to COMIC
BOOKS being issued . I REALLY DON'T CARE - perhaps I'm
overemphasizing th' capitalizing , 'scyooze me - about
another expensive cpffe-table book , though I suppose
that's nice in its own right . Are there going to be
regular comic books - publications ( They don't HAVE
to be - alright , alright , alright - in the "
standard U.S. format " , but they might as well be .
) I want to read Don's " Three Cabelleros Ride Again "
story !!!!! Heck , I'd like to get a look at those "
mangaized remakes " of Barks stories that've been
linked-to panel repros from here !!!!!
Believe me , I can understand the problems that
there may be in financial viability in Disney Comics
in the U.S. ! But , another , " Art Of Walt Disney "
book - which , by my understanding of it , seemed to
be what Sue and Gary mentioned - is not what I'm
looking for !
I can't seem to access the main DCML list at this
time , so , perhaps the more recent postings address
this , I don't know .
I will admit that , when I first heard
about the " new negotiations " , that it was the
Gladstone people , trying for a third swing of the bat
. Since I've found out that it's Geppi , of Dianond -
which holds , basically , a 100% monopoly of
didtribution of comics to comics shops in the
U.S....But , I believe , has never actually PUBLISHED
comics...or anything else...with regularity , anyway !
Also , actually , I really don't think comics
shops-only Disney comics would be what Disney would
want - Or really be likely to make sufficient $ to
turn a profit . Revived U.S. Disney comics would have
to have some newsstand ( meaning - " non-comics shop "
, anyway ) distribution , I think . Would Geppi
propose to do that ? Actually mass market/mewsstand
distribution of " regular " magazines in the U.S. -
meaning TIME , VANITY FAIR , COSMO , READER'S DIGEST ,
etc. , let's not consider comic books , for now , at
all ! - has been going through a lot of
consolidation/losing money , lately , anyway !
I might say something in my next E that will REALLY
start the commotion going !
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BOOKS being issued . I REALLY DON'T CARE - perhaps I'm
overemphasizing th' capitalizing , 'scyooze me - about
another expensive cpffe-table book , though I suppose
that's nice in its own right . Are there going to be
regular comic books - publications ( They don't HAVE
to be - alright , alright , alright - in the "
standard U.S. format " , but they might as well be .
) I want to read Don's " Three Cabelleros Ride Again "
story !!!!! Heck , I'd like to get a look at those "
mangaized remakes " of Barks stories that've been
linked-to panel repros from here !!!!!
Believe me , I can understand the problems that
there may be in financial viability in Disney Comics
in the U.S. ! But , another , " Art Of Walt Disney "
book - which , by my understanding of it , seemed to
be what Sue and Gary mentioned - is not what I'm
looking for !
I can't seem to access the main DCML list at this
time , so , perhaps the more recent postings address
this , I don't know .
I will admit that , when I first heard
about the " new negotiations " , that it was the
Gladstone people , trying for a third swing of the bat
. Since I've found out that it's Geppi , of Dianond -
which holds , basically , a 100% monopoly of
didtribution of comics to comics shops in the
U.S....But , I believe , has never actually PUBLISHED
comics...or anything else...with regularity , anyway !
Also , actually , I really don't think comics
shops-only Disney comics would be what Disney would
want - Or really be likely to make sufficient $ to
turn a profit . Revived U.S. Disney comics would have
to have some newsstand ( meaning - " non-comics shop "
, anyway ) distribution , I think . Would Geppi
propose to do that ? Actually mass market/mewsstand
distribution of " regular " magazines in the U.S. -
meaning TIME , VANITY FAIR , COSMO , READER'S DIGEST ,
etc. , let's not consider comic books , for now , at
all ! - has been going through a lot of
consolidation/losing money , lately , anyway !
I might say something in my next E that will REALLY
start the commotion going !
__________________________________________________
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Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger
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Den Bosch, the Dutch San Diego
Message 175 -
2001-08-23 at 22:03:31
On 22 and 23 September there will be the annual Stripdagen (comic
convention) in Den Bosch. I plan to go there on Saturday, and Fran?ois
Willot will be there too.
Anyone else having plans? (Dani?l? Roy? Angela? Arthur? Duco? Henri? Harry?
Ivo? Wouter? Frank? Alexander? Danny? Jeroen? Anyone living nearby? 8-)
--Harry.
convention) in Den Bosch. I plan to go there on Saturday, and Fran?ois
Willot will be there too.
Anyone else having plans? (Dani?l? Roy? Angela? Arthur? Duco? Henri? Harry?
Ivo? Wouter? Frank? Alexander? Danny? Jeroen? Anyone living nearby? 8-)
--Harry.
Armando Botto
Clarabelle's family tree, scans needed, clarabelle's uncles, horace's sister dorothy
Message 176 -
2001-08-23 at 22:28:01
Gilles wrote:
>Please, could somebody send me scans again of Clarabelle's dead uncles (the
brothers Cow) from the messages from the beginning of the month titled Death
in Disney Comics
The scans we used during that discussion are still on-line:
Original Italian version (drawn by Carpi):
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B3.jpg
German version (redrawn by Perego):
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_a.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_b.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_c.jpg
If you need more scans, just let me know.
While I'm here, a quick answer to Hans, who wrote:
> And while we're at it: could you please check the original version of the
following panel on page 39 of the same story:
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_d.jpg
The Phantom Blot's face looks a bit like Perego art IMO. But maybe I'm just
imagining things...
The original version is identical to the German one. So, probably no Perego
here... maybe Carpi was in a bit of a hurry when he drew that panel ;-)
Ciao,
Armando
>Please, could somebody send me scans again of Clarabelle's dead uncles (the
brothers Cow) from the messages from the beginning of the month titled Death
in Disney Comics
The scans we used during that discussion are still on-line:
Original Italian version (drawn by Carpi):
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/TL466B3.jpg
German version (redrawn by Perego):
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_a.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_b.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_c.jpg
If you need more scans, just let me know.
While I'm here, a quick answer to Hans, who wrote:
> And while we're at it: could you please check the original version of the
following panel on page 39 of the same story:
http://www.geocities.com/kiesl1729/I_TL_466_B_d.jpg
The Phantom Blot's face looks a bit like Perego art IMO. But maybe I'm just
imagining things...
The original version is identical to the German one. So, probably no Perego
here... maybe Carpi was in a bit of a hurry when he drew that panel ;-)
Ciao,
Armando
Shelley Hanson/KlezmerAllThatJazz
Kentucky etc.
Message 177 -
2001-08-23 at 23:07:10
"Incest" is the only word in English to cover sexual contact between
relatives, whether older generation to younger or sibling to sibling. Some
people (and the laws of some states) also consider incest to be sexual
relationships between first cousins. (For example, the children of a man are
first cousins of the children of his brother).
I personally find the idea of Donald and Daisy being anything other than
completely unrelated to be very unsettling and kind of disgusting,
especially as regards the relationship of Huey, Dewey, and Louie to April,
May, and June.
Question for Don Rosa: if a couple gets divorced in Kentucky, are they still
brother and sister?
relatives, whether older generation to younger or sibling to sibling. Some
people (and the laws of some states) also consider incest to be sexual
relationships between first cousins. (For example, the children of a man are
first cousins of the children of his brother).
I personally find the idea of Donald and Daisy being anything other than
completely unrelated to be very unsettling and kind of disgusting,
especially as regards the relationship of Huey, Dewey, and Louie to April,
May, and June.
Question for Don Rosa: if a couple gets divorced in Kentucky, are they still
brother and sister?
Halsten Aastebol
- A christmas for Shacktown No. title
Message 178 -
2001-08-24 at 09:29:04
At 20:01 20.08.01 +0200, Claus Ola Margon H?vik wrote:
> >Christian Sivebaek
>
> > >4. What is the Norwegian name of the story "A christmas for Shacktown"
> >
> > >(Barks)?
> > Would that be Jul i Pengel?se, as in danish?
> >
>
>No, it's "Jul i Blakkegaten"
But it has also been published as "Jul i Pengelens"
Halsten
> >Christian Sivebaek
>
> > >4. What is the Norwegian name of the story "A christmas for Shacktown"
> >
> > >(Barks)?
> > Would that be Jul i Pengel?se, as in danish?
> >
>
>No, it's "Jul i Blakkegaten"
But it has also been published as "Jul i Pengelens"
Halsten
Anders Christian Sivebaek
#643 Kriton, Norway
Message 179 -
2001-08-24 at 13:29:59
> I don't know about the U.S. (or Denmark for that matter), but in
Greece,
> a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
> be considered incestuous and would not be permitted. The only way two
> siblings would be allowed to marry two other siblings in Greece,
would
> be if they got married at the same time.
Doesn't siblings mean brother and sister or does it mean relatives too?
Donald and Daisy aren't brother and sister...
> > I remember from ancient greek class in danish High School that a
classmate
> > realised the Gods Zeus and Hera had a blood-shame (?) relationship.
> An incestuous relationship. Hera was, indeed, both Zeus's sister and
> his wife, a fact which Greeks never attempted to hide. I guess that
> this is similar to the situation with the royal houses of Europe,
where
> everybody is everybody else's cousin, uncle, or nephew.
You're right about that.
Norwegians:
So the Shacktown story has been published under different names?
That's not very unusual here either...
About the Norwegian Index -
Geir J. Netland and Erik H?rthe are involved too, as far as I know.
I don't know if Barks Friends exists, but the index I saw at Sigvald,
was newer than the one from 1984, wasn't it, Geir?
AC
Greece,
> a marriage between Donald and Daisy under these circumstances would
> be considered incestuous and would not be permitted. The only way two
> siblings would be allowed to marry two other siblings in Greece,
would
> be if they got married at the same time.
Doesn't siblings mean brother and sister or does it mean relatives too?
Donald and Daisy aren't brother and sister...
> > I remember from ancient greek class in danish High School that a
classmate
> > realised the Gods Zeus and Hera had a blood-shame (?) relationship.
> An incestuous relationship. Hera was, indeed, both Zeus's sister and
> his wife, a fact which Greeks never attempted to hide. I guess that
> this is similar to the situation with the royal houses of Europe,
where
> everybody is everybody else's cousin, uncle, or nephew.
You're right about that.
Norwegians:
So the Shacktown story has been published under different names?
That's not very unusual here either...
About the Norwegian Index -
Geir J. Netland and Erik H?rthe are involved too, as far as I know.
I don't know if Barks Friends exists, but the index I saw at Sigvald,
was newer than the one from 1984, wasn't it, Geir?
AC
Ivo Van Wieringen
Den Bosch, the Dutch San Diego
Message 180 -
2001-08-24 at 14:54:38
Harry wrote:
>> On 22 and 23 September there will be the annual Stripdagen (comic
>> convention) in Den Bosch.
>> Anyone else having plans?
Harry,
I will be in Den Bosch on Saturday. I visit the Stripdagen since 1980 or so.
I don't exacly why, because it's one big commercial selling circus, and
every year less artists are coming, but it gives the feeling that you are
not alone in reading/collecting comics/graphic novels/sequential art (or
whatever people are calling this types of books).
Ivo
>> On 22 and 23 September there will be the annual Stripdagen (comic
>> convention) in Den Bosch.
>> Anyone else having plans?
Harry,
I will be in Den Bosch on Saturday. I visit the Stripdagen since 1980 or so.
I don't exacly why, because it's one big commercial selling circus, and
every year less artists are coming, but it gives the feeling that you are
not alone in reading/collecting comics/graphic novels/sequential art (or
whatever people are calling this types of books).
Ivo