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Kriton Kyrimis
DANIEL / UNCA CARL:

> I think it will be in a form that readers download from the Internet
> instead of in flimsy books that sell on Newsstands.

One of the things I'd like to see would be a Disney-licensed site, where
one would be able to purchase scans of any story ever published, rather
than having to rely on someone publishing a favorite story somewhere,
in a language that one can read. Perhaps, one day, we will have the
technology to make this possible without compomising Disney's copyright,
and such a site will come into being.

OLIVIER:

> Howcome Barks drew horses instead of goats? There must have been no mention
> of them in his sources. Strange: it seems to be a fixed attribute that
> should be mentioned everywhere, like his hammer.

You mean like the equally "fixed attribute" of Hercules wearing a lion
skin (complete with head) rather than a vest or whatever it is that
Hollywood's perversion of Hercules is wearing in the TV series?

My guess is that people who are only peripherally aware of other peoples'
mythologies, are only aware (if at all) of the most prominent details
surrounding a myth, making erroneous assumptions about the rest. While
I'd never portray Hercules wearing a vest, given that he is part of my
mythology, I had no idea that Thor rode a goat-driven chariot. In fact,
were it not for Barks' story, I wouldn't even know that he rode a chariot
in the sky at all!

JYRI:
>
> Hi, while reading the chapter XII of L&T I started
> wondering what does srooge say (or does he?) in the
> english version when donald and the boys meet Srooge
> the first time in the dranatic half page panel?

[left balloon]
"I am your mother's brother... your uncle..."
[right balloon]
"Scrooge McDuck!"

> Then on the next page HD&L
> tell that they really are donalds sisters kids.

BOYS: Yes... and you're our *great* uncle!
SCROOGE: Huey, Dewey, and Louie, is it? You'll excuse me--I'm not used to
*children*! I never had time to be one myself!

> Then there's the panel where Donald mocks the Eisner
> award. I suppose there was somethin there before it
> was won, what kind panel there was?

If I understand correctly, this panel was added by Don in the expanded
version, which was made after the story had won the award.

This reminds me of an imaginary book mentioned in an article by Douglas
Hofstadter on self-reference, titled "Reviews Of This Book". You'd start
up with an empty book, give it to reviewers to review, then print their
reviews in the second edition of the book, then give them the second
edition to review, so that you could add their reviews in the third
edition, and so on!

> Then reading the lost charts of Columbus I started
> wondering what does the lawyer guy say in the english
> version(if fhere has been one)

There has: Donald Duck Adventures #43, dated April 1997.

> when he throws away
> the cross and says smething about not carrying your
> cross if it isn't necessery.

AZURE BLUE: You don't need *that* useless thing anymore!
SHARKEY: Nixus totus dumporum--meaning "don't bear a cross when it's
not necessary!"

[BTW, I thought I'd caught Don making a mistake, saying "anymore" rather
than "any more", but my American dictionary claims that "anymore" is
the correct word to use in this context. Does anyone know if this is an
American idiom? My British dictionary does not mention this word.]

> Do You Yahoo!?

No!

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Petri Kanninen
HARRY:
>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland? (Or maybe they >are
>"officially" non-existant?)

Actually everyone in Finland should speak Swedish because it's mandatory at
school. ;-)

>Related question: does the Swedish Kalle Anka get published in Finland?

Sure does, at least at the coast where the largest Swedish-speaking
population is. Here in Helsinki you can buy Kalle Anka and Kalle Ankas
Pocketbok even in every bigger foodstore. If you go to a bookstore you find
also other Swedish Disney comics, for example the golden books, a 100-pages
long pocketbook and some albums. From the biggest bookstore (Akateeminen
kirjakauppa) you can also find few German publications. One of them was a
really nice suprise. It is called Die göttliche Entenkömedie (The Divine
Duckcomedy) and it contains the famous Italian story L'inferno di Topolino
(I TL 7-A). All those years learning German were useful after all. :-)
But then again in Lahti where my parents live (100km inland from Helsinki),
there is no Swedish comics available (because almost no one speaks Swedish
as his/hers mother tongue there).

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Ari Seppi
Petri:
>HARRY:
>>How many Swedish-speaking people are there in Finland?
>Actually everyone in Finland should speak Swedish because it's mandatory at
>school. ;-)

Yes, almost (don't forget the people who went to school before Swedish
became a mandatory for everyone) I meant to say "Swedish-like language
speakers who don't speak Finnish". I should be more careful in what I say.

Harry:
>(Or maybe they are "officially" non-existant?)

No, we prefer not doing that kind of things in Finland (although Sami and
some other smaller groups have had some problems). For historical reasons
language rights of Finnish-Swedish population have always been very well
protected.

Petri:
>It is called Die g?ttliche Entenk?medie (The Divine
>Duckcomedy) and it contains the famous Italian story L'inferno di Topolino
>(I TL 7-A).

You mentioned that when it was in stores, but I forgot to get it! I think I
go to hit my head to the wall.

--
Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Eritt?in fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
http://www.sci.fi/~mani/
Stefan Persson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kjell Crone" <kjell.crone at ifsab.se>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: den 13 augusti 2001 12:50
Subject: RE: Scandinavia

> The Finnish Aku Ankka can be found in Sweden too.
> Or could, havn't seen any the last years.

I can't find it anywhere...
Søren Krarup Olesen
I received the following from EKTomp at aol.com

----------

Hello,
I am hoping you can help me. ?I have been all over the internet trying to
find who continued drawing Winnie the Pooh after E.H. Shepard passed away. ?
If you happen to know can you please let me know? ?
Thank you,
Elizabeth

----------

Can anybody help?

S?ren
Olaf Solstrand
Hi. I want to discuss the relations and family of Daisy, Donald's
girlfriend.

I'm working with this - among other things - for my new website now
(www.andebyonline.com), and some thoughts have reached my head:

-1- It has always been an unofficial fact that Daisy's SISTER is the MOTHER
of April, May and June. I disagree with that. I feel that the only logical
explanation for their last name is that Daisy's BROTHER is the FATHER of
April, May and June. We also know that Daisy DO have a sister (from Barks),
therefor the parents of Daisy must have given birth to at least four
children (Daisy, Daisy's sister, the father of AMJ and the father of HDL).

-2- While I was sitting and working with the different characters, it struck
me; can MOBY DUCK - the whale hunter - be Daisy's father? It may sound
crazy, but everything seems correct! His last name is Duck. He's in the
right age. And it explains how Scrooge and Donald know him. It would also
make him to the grandfather of HDL (and AMJ). I'm well aware that Moby Duck
has NOTHING to do with Carl Barks, but I still think about this as a good
solution.

Think about it.

-olaf-

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Olaf Solstrand
H.W. Fluks
> > therefor the parents of Daisy must have given birth to at least four
> > children (Daisy, Daisy's sister, the father of AMJ and the
> > father of HDL).
>
>Why do you think that HDL are related to Daisy and AMJ? I have never >seen
>any evidence of that.

You're right. There is no evidence on that. But it is an unofficial Don Rosa
fact. I like that fact, therefor I adopted it into my mind.

Don Rosa have said many things about his Duck Family tree (most of them I've
read at www.duckhunt.de) and among other things he mentions that the father
of HDL is the brother of Daisy. This explains how they got the "Duck" name.

As a Don Rosa fan, I think of most of the things he say - even those that
are not published - as true (examples; the Ducks' years of birth, the HDL
father = Daisy brother thing etc.). Of course there's exceptions, but this
detail is not one of them.

Was that an answer to your question? :) Remember that everything I say is
what's going on inside MY head. Maybe the inside of your head is completely
different. Maybe it's not possible to find two similar heads in the entire
world. Have a nice day!

-olaf-

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Michael Schartau
I had the same question but then I found out that Don Rosa claims that Daisy is the aunt of HD&L

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palace/439/characters/hdl.html

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
To: "'Olaf Solstrand'" <harryklein at hotmail.com>; <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Daisy's family

> Olaf:
>
> > therefor the parents of Daisy must have given birth to at least four
> > children (Daisy, Daisy's sister, the father of AMJ and the
> > father of HDL).
>
> Why do you think that HDL are related to Daisy and AMJ? I have never seen
> any evidence of that.
>
> --Harry.
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
Fluks, H.W.
Olaf:

> therefor the parents of Daisy must have given birth to at least four
> children (Daisy, Daisy's sister, the father of AMJ and the
> father of HDL).

Why do you think that HDL are related to Daisy and AMJ? I have never seen
any evidence of that.

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Kriton wrote:

> > Then there's the panel where Donald mocks the Eisner
> > award.
>
> If I understand correctly, this panel was added by Don in the expanded
> version, which was made after the story had won the award.

This reminds me of a discussion here on DCML, back in 1995:

<<

Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 08:41 EDT
From: donrosa at iglou.com (Don Rosa)

But here's the award plaque -- I'll hold it up to the computer
screen and you can all take a look. (Clank).

Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 00:23:26
From: Daniel van Eijmeren <daniel at maisie.ow.nl>

Congratulations with your award! Very kind of you to show it with
holding it against the screen, but I have to admit I couldn't quite
clearly see it because the screen was also full of your writing.
Maybe it's a good idea to show it to us in the background of your
next story (for example in Scrooge's office) as a little background
detail?

>>

Don made the extension to chapter 12 afterwards. So it was his way to show
us DCMLers what the award looks like! 8-)

--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Olaf:

> Don Rosa have said many things about his Duck Family tree
> and among other things he mentions that the father
> of HDL is the brother of Daisy.
> Was that an answer to your question? :)

It sure was!

(I'm sure our heads are completely different. But that is not relevant...
8-)

--Harry.
Ari Seppi
S?ren:
>I received the following from EKTomp at aol.com
>----------
>I am hoping you can help me. ?I have been all over the internet trying to
>find who continued drawing Winnie the Pooh after E.H. Shepard passed away. ?
>If you happen to know can you please let me know? ?

I wonder if Elizabeth has mixed up movies, comics and book illustrations.
Aren't the book illustrations always the ones Shepard drew in 1920s and
colored in 1970s? And, of course, Shepard hadn't much (probably anything?)
to do with Disney-versions of Pooh.

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Ari Seppi (mani at sci.fi)
Eritt?in fanaattinen Disney-sarjakuvien ja Harry Potter -kirjojen palvoja
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Links to rare/original/unpublished Barks items. I don't have any
connection with the sellers or the sites. If you've seen other
rare/original/unpublished items, I hope you'll post them to the list
as well. Information is taken from the sellers' descriptions, unless
otherwise noted. ("DvE")

Items at Ebay (http://www.ebay.com):

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CARL BARKS original drawing
Item # 1178478313
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178478313

Here is the original CARL BARKS pencil layout for JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS #10,
"Maple Sugar Time", page 6, from 1971. The ink work was completed by
staff artists at Western Publishing. Pencil on heavyweight paper,
measures 12" x 9" (30,5 x 23 cm). Has several tiny pinpricks in the
upper right corner and has once been folded horizontally and vertically
(barely visible). Otherwise in very good condition. Great quality, full
satisfaction guaranteed! From the collection of noted comic book historian
and Carl Barks Library co-editor Thomas Andrae, comes together with a
certificate of authenticity written by him. The complete pencil script
is published in the Carl Barks Library vol. VI, 1, p.194-197. I had the
whole story up on eBay during the last months and only one other page left.

When they are sold, that's it! Some days ago a handwritten letter by
Carl Barks with drawings of Donald and a nephew sold for $710 on eBay.
Here you can get *15* ducks (including Scrooge) for less! Please feel
free to eMail with any question and have a look at my other auctions.

[Indeed, the pencil script is published in The Carl Barks Library, in
a quality that is good enough to read, but too bad to do justice to
Barks' original art. Do good, detailed quality reproductions exist of
the Junior Woodchuck scripts? DvE.]

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Carl Barks, nice Girl Art, signed
Item # 1177201553
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1177201553

This is a pre-drawing for the oil painting "Old King Cole" it is done
in 1977 in red and black pencil on paper. The drawing is 19 x 25cm and
signed by Carl Barks. For more original art please visit:
[http://www.carlbarksshop.de]

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CARL BARKS ESTATE SIGNED LITHO PRINT 13x17!!!
Item # 1178715934
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178715934

This item was acquired at Carl's estate auction !!

This lot consists of a 13 X 16 1/2 inch OIL PAINTING LITHO PRINT signed
by CARL BARKS on the bottom & will be shrinkwraped on foam board.PICTURE
IS A SAMPLE OF THE PRINT YOU ARE BIDDING ON ,ACTUAL LITHO IS SIGNED NEAR
THE BOTTOM(too big to fit on my scanner!) A GREAT SIGNED PIECE OF ART
FROM CARLS OWN HOME!!WE ALL WILL MISS THE JOY THIS GREAT MAN & ARTIST
BROUGHT TO THE WORLD.

THE AUCTION WAS HELD IN GRANTS PASS,OREGON AT HIS HOME ON JUNE 30 2001 .
I WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE MOST OF HIS DRAWING & PAINTING UTENSILES ALSO &
WILL BE PUTTING MANY UP ON AUCTION SOON! ALL ITEMS WILL COME WITH
AUTHENTICATION FROM THE AUCTIONEER & COPY OF AUCTION RECIEPT.

["Till Death Do Us Part".
Description of size is different to announcement of size. DvE.]

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CARL BARKS ESTATE SIGNED LITHO PRINT 13x16!!
Item # 1178720812
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178720812

This item was acquired at Carl's estate auction !!

This lot consists of a 13 X 16 1/2 inch OIL PAINTING LITHO PRINT signed
by CARL BARKS on the bottom & will be shrinkwraped on foam board.

["The Makings of a Fish Story".
Description same as for previous item. DvE.]

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CARL BARKS ESTATE SIGNED LITHO PRINT 13x16!!
Item # 1178727523
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178727523

This item was acquired at Carl's estate auction !!

This lot consists of a 13 X 16 1/2 inch OIL PAINTING LITHO PRINT signed
by CARL BARKS on the bottom & will be shrinkwraped on foam board.

["In Uncle Walt's Collectery".
Description same as for previous item. DvE.]

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CARL BARKS Progressive Proof Set Signed RARE!
Item # 1178212956
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178212956

This auction is for a superb Carl Barks Progressive Proof Set of "In the
Cave of Ali Baba" produced by Another Rainbow and complete with certificate
and customized linen box. This is one of just 2 German editions, and is
numbered "D Prog 2/2" (and is also one of just six produced worldwide,
according to the certificate). This progressive proof set is comprised of
15 colors and 29 prints that have been sequentially numbered as to their
on-press progression. The final print has gold leaf added and is signed by
Carl Barks! The 29 prints have been inserted in Mylar sleeves for permanent
storage and are housed in a hand-crafted, foil-stamped, customized box. All
prints are 21.5" x 25" with image area of 16" x 20". You can see the
customized box and a few of the prints in the image below.

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- Daniel
Simo Malinen
ARI:
>I wouldn't give up dutchism just yet. While I don't question the Danish
>being the backbone (since they clearly are), I would like to point out the
>H- percentages going up, and that...
>
>>AKU ANKKA (Finnish weekly)
>>DUTCH STORIES (H -coded stories)
>>issues 1999/27-39: 41 pages - 7 stories (9,9% - 9,2%)
>>issues 1999/40-52: 56 pages - 10 stories (13,5% - 16,7%)
>>issues 2000/01-13: 42 pages - 7 stories (10,0% - 10,0%)
>>issues 2000/14-26: 33 pages - 5 stories (8,2% - 7,7%)
>
>... this low figure can be explained by Kuukauden sarjisekstra becoming
>Dutch-only publication in May 2000. And after that...
>
>>issues 2000/27-39: 61 pages - 6 stories (14,7% - 9,5%)
>>issues 2000/40-52: 68 pages - 12 stories (16,7% - 18,5%)
>>issues 2001/01-13: 49 pages - 6 stories (11,5% - 7,9%)
>>issues 2001/14-26: 64 pages - 11 stories (16,2% - 20,0%)
>>issues 2001/27-31: 33 pages - 6 stories (21,9% - 24,0%) <-
>
>the amount of the Dutch stories has risen in Aku Ankka too.
>

Actually I ment those figeres only for a material to make some
general considerations... We should note that one fourth of a year
(13 issues) consists of about 400 - 420 pages of comics (Finnish
weekly) Therefore a drop 13% -> 8% means only some 20 pages
less. That's hardly nothing.

But in the other hand, you're right: Finnish monthly extra AAX
seems to effect Dutch stories published in Finnish weekly.

If looking more closely the Dutch stories published in Swedish and
Finnish weeklies issues 27/1999 - 32/2001 it turns out that in
Swedish weekly there were 33 Dutch stories which were not published
in Finnish weekly. That is about 1/3 of all Dutch stories in Swedish
weekly.

-[Also meaning that about 2/3 of Dutch stories published in
Swedish weekly Kalle Anka & C:o were also being published in
Finnish weekly Aku Ankka. Only four stories published in Finnish
but not in Swedish weekly. ]

Of course - Swedish weekly is having 64 or 96 pages - and Finnish
weekly 36 pages. Cuttings are unavoidable. But this just looks like
Dutch stories are being cutted away just quite like other stories.
However 14 of those 33 Dutch stories have been published in Finnish
monthly extra AAX - and half of them even before Swedish weekly.
Thus AAX is really taking away some Dutch stories from our weekly.

Stories published in KALLE ANKA & C:o but not in AKU ANKKA:
publication: story code / amount of pages - artist [Finnish publication]
KA1999/28: H 85216 / 10 pages - Colomer [AAX1999/04]
KA1999/29: H 93121 / 2 pages - Comicup
KA1999/31: H 92112 / 10 pages - Sander Gulien
KA1999/34: H 93138 / 4 pages - Bas Heymans [AAX1999/05]
KA1999/41: H 91138 / 4 pages - Colomer [AAX2000/01]
KA1999/42: H 92071 / 4 pages - Freddy Milton [AAX2000/01]
KA1999/45: H 88110 / 4 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/01]
KA1999/45: H 94210 / 6 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/03]
KA1999/47: H 91121 / 4 pages - Colomer [AAX2000/01]
KA1999/50: H 93076 / 1 page - Carmen Perez
KA2000/01: H 93054 / 1 page - Bas Heymans
KA2000/12: H 95122 / 10 pages - Bas Heymans
KA2000/16-17 H 93058 / 4 pages - Freddy Milton
KA2000/18: H 95041 / 8 pages - Freddy Milton [AAAP 1 -book]
KA2000/23-24 H 97268 / 9 pages - Mau Heymans [AAAP 1 -book]
KA2000/25: H 96195 / 10 pages - Bas Heymans [AAX2000/09]
KA2000/27: H 95126 / 4 pages - Colomer
KA2000/30: H 91102 / 10 pages - Bas Heymans
KA2000/35: H 93122 / 4 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/06]
KA2000/35: H 98129 / 4 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/06]
KA2000/38: H 95194 / 5 pages - Santiago Barreira
KA2000/44: H 97168 / 6 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/09]
KA2000/49: H 87023 / 11 pages - ? [AAX2001/07]
KA2000/50: H 99046 / 4 pages - ?
KA2001/11: H 95108 / 4 pages - Colomer
KA2001/12: H 95062 / 4 pages - Hans van Oudenaarden
KA2001/25: H 96087 / 4 pages - Colomer
KA2001/26: H 96188 / 5 pages - Comicup
KA2001/28: H 77dd02 / 3 pages - Jippes, de Jonge
KA2001/28: H 77w01 / 5 pages - Dick Matena
KA2001/28: H 86196 / 10 pages - Colomer
KA2001/29: H 87052 / 11 pages - Jan Gulbransson [AAX2000/07]
KA2001/32: H 93137 / 4 pages - Mau Heymans [AAX2000/08]

Stories published in AKU ANKKA but not in KALLE ANKA & C:o
AA2000/27: H 98239 / 18 pages - Daan Jippes (Barks JW -story)
AA2000/52: H 96202 / 4 pages - Comicup
AA2001/04: H 92087 / 10 pages - Bas Heymans
AA2001/16: H 97249 / 5 pages - Jaap Stavenuiter

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- Simo

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