For Sigvald: As stated by Soeren, Josep Tello Gonzalez produced a large portion
(if not most) of Egmont's Mickey Mouse and Goofy stories from the early 1970s
through much of the 1980s. It is clear that he was partly inspired by Murray's
style. If you mistook that one story for Paul Murray's work, and want to find
more of the same, you should look up Tello stories in INDUCKS. If I were you, I
would look at all his Mickey stories of 13 or more pages (as those are large
enough to capture the feel of Murray's Mickey/Goofy adventures. You must
realise, that he teamed with a wider range of writers than did Murray (many of
whose stories were written by the great Carl Falberg). To me, a few of the
longer stories drawn by Tello were very good, but others were not. You can
click on the D-code, to see what individual magazines, in which countries,
contained those stories. Then, you can identify the Norwegian and Danish comic
books that contained them. Several of them were not printed in Norway, but you
can get the Danish printings (which I know you can read).
Rob
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Rob Klein
Tello
Message 121 -
2003-01-15 at 09:28:17
Jan Roar Hansen
Tello
Message 122 -
2003-01-15 at 14:21:29
Rob Klein wrote.
>Then, you can identify the Norwegian and Danish comic
>books that contained them. Several of them were not printed in Norway, but
you
>can get the Danish printings (which I know you can read).
Most (if not all) of these have been printed in Norway.
As a rule: If they have been printed in Denmark/Sweden,
there are Norwegian printings also.
Jan Roar
>Then, you can identify the Norwegian and Danish comic
>books that contained them. Several of them were not printed in Norway, but
you
>can get the Danish printings (which I know you can read).
Most (if not all) of these have been printed in Norway.
As a rule: If they have been printed in Denmark/Sweden,
there are Norwegian printings also.
Jan Roar
Rob Klein
Tello
Message 123 -
2003-01-16 at 17:16:30
For Jan Roar Hansen: It is true that most of the Tello stories were printed in
Norway, but a few of the largest (30+ pages) were NOT (at least according to
INDUCKS). They were printed not in the Weekly or Monthly, but in special books
in Danmark only.
Rob
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Norway, but a few of the largest (30+ pages) were NOT (at least according to
INDUCKS). They were printed not in the Weekly or Monthly, but in special books
in Danmark only.
Rob
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Tello
Message 124 -
2003-01-16 at 17:32:17
Tello Studios even had their own web site, but it's now disappeared.
www.archive.org archives all contents of the web and helps again:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010705215036/http://www.catworld.net/~jtello/indexa.htm
They have this "wayback machine", which digs up the old versions of long
gone pages - if they are archived.
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www.archive.org archives all contents of the web and helps again:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010705215036/http://www.catworld.net/~jtello/indexa.htm
They have this "wayback machine", which digs up the old versions of long
gone pages - if they are archived.
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Vidar Svendsen
Tello
Message 125 -
2003-01-16 at 19:10:04
Rob Klein:
>For Jan Roar Hansen: It is true that most of the Tello stories were
>printed in
>Norway, but a few of the largest (30+ pages) were NOT (at least according to
>INDUCKS). They were printed not in the Weekly or Monthly, but in special
>books
>in Danmark only.
The Norwegian part of INDUCKS is very incomplete, so those stories may have
been printed
in Norway.
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>For Jan Roar Hansen: It is true that most of the Tello stories were
>printed in
>Norway, but a few of the largest (30+ pages) were NOT (at least according to
>INDUCKS). They were printed not in the Weekly or Monthly, but in special
>books
>in Danmark only.
The Norwegian part of INDUCKS is very incomplete, so those stories may have
been printed
in Norway.
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Simo Malinen
Tello
Message 126 -
2003-01-16 at 19:26:31
ROB KLEIN:
>For Sigvald: As stated by Soeren, Josep Tello Gonzalez produced a large
>portion (if not most) of Egmont's Mickey Mouse and Goofy stories from the
>early 1970s through much of the 1980s. It is clear that he was partly
>inspired by Murray's style. If you mistook that one story for Paul
>Murray's work, and want to find more of the same, you should look up Tello
>stories in INDUCKS. If I were you, I would look at all his Mickey stories
>of 13 or more pages (as those are large enough to capture the feel of
>Murray's Mickey/Goofy adventures. You must realise, that he teamed with a
>wider range of writers than did Murray (many of whose stories were written
>by the great Carl Falberg). To me, a few of the longer stories drawn by
>Tello were very good, but others were not. You can click on the D-code, to
>see what individual magazines, in which countries, contained those stories.
> Then, you can identify the Norwegian and Danish comic books that
>contained them. Several of them were not printed in Norway, but you can
>get the Danish printings (which I know you can read).
>
If you think it's easy to mix Murry and Tello - then you
have also a great change to mix Tello with some other artists.
Some Anders Sorensen also draw a couple shorter Murry-like
fillers, but from the late 1970's to the end of the 80's
especially Antonio Bancells did almost as much stories as
Tello did.
http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/murry_et_co.html
If talking about longer stories (12-25 pages) printed in parts
both Tello and Bancells draw some 50 stories each (total for
both ca. 100 stories).
By my opinion in the 70's the stories and the scripts Tello's
draw were rather naive and clearly aimed for the younger readers
(as well as stories by Danish Nils Rydahl and Adrian Sorensen)
But somehow the style of the stories turned to more mature in
the late 70's and I think Tello did his best works from that
time to the somewhere middle of the 80's.
But back to Murry: I think it's a true shame the Finnish weekly
has almost turned to a pure DUCK retro magazine. No more Paul Murry
stories are printed. Some Ferioli time to time but mostly just
Manuel Gonzales strips and some dusty looking mutilated Gottfredson
pages.
- Simo
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>For Sigvald: As stated by Soeren, Josep Tello Gonzalez produced a large
>portion (if not most) of Egmont's Mickey Mouse and Goofy stories from the
>early 1970s through much of the 1980s. It is clear that he was partly
>inspired by Murray's style. If you mistook that one story for Paul
>Murray's work, and want to find more of the same, you should look up Tello
>stories in INDUCKS. If I were you, I would look at all his Mickey stories
>of 13 or more pages (as those are large enough to capture the feel of
>Murray's Mickey/Goofy adventures. You must realise, that he teamed with a
>wider range of writers than did Murray (many of whose stories were written
>by the great Carl Falberg). To me, a few of the longer stories drawn by
>Tello were very good, but others were not. You can click on the D-code, to
>see what individual magazines, in which countries, contained those stories.
> Then, you can identify the Norwegian and Danish comic books that
>contained them. Several of them were not printed in Norway, but you can
>get the Danish printings (which I know you can read).
>
If you think it's easy to mix Murry and Tello - then you
have also a great change to mix Tello with some other artists.
Some Anders Sorensen also draw a couple shorter Murry-like
fillers, but from the late 1970's to the end of the 80's
especially Antonio Bancells did almost as much stories as
Tello did.
http://www.geocities.com/gearlost/murry_et_co.html
If talking about longer stories (12-25 pages) printed in parts
both Tello and Bancells draw some 50 stories each (total for
both ca. 100 stories).
By my opinion in the 70's the stories and the scripts Tello's
draw were rather naive and clearly aimed for the younger readers
(as well as stories by Danish Nils Rydahl and Adrian Sorensen)
But somehow the style of the stories turned to more mature in
the late 70's and I think Tello did his best works from that
time to the somewhere middle of the 80's.
But back to Murry: I think it's a true shame the Finnish weekly
has almost turned to a pure DUCK retro magazine. No more Paul Murry
stories are printed. Some Ferioli time to time but mostly just
Manuel Gonzales strips and some dusty looking mutilated Gottfredson
pages.
- Simo
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Barks font without Danish/Norwegian special characters
Message 127 -
2003-01-17 at 20:57:32
Hi all!
At
http://www.donald.org/de/barks/barks-font/home.html
one can find a nice Carl Barks font. However this
font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
special characters. This leads me to wonder if
the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
just are a bit little informed? Don't they know
that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
special characters?
Whatever the reason for the lacking Danish/
Norwegian special characters I think that
Donaldists should co-operate over national and
cultural borders. I am thus sure that the Danish
Donaldist Society kindly will offer any help
possible if our German counterparts as a friendly
act decides to include the three extra characters
in that font.
Sigvald :-)
At
http://www.donald.org/de/barks/barks-font/home.html
one can find a nice Carl Barks font. However this
font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
special characters. This leads me to wonder if
the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
just are a bit little informed? Don't they know
that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
special characters?
Whatever the reason for the lacking Danish/
Norwegian special characters I think that
Donaldists should co-operate over national and
cultural borders. I am thus sure that the Danish
Donaldist Society kindly will offer any help
possible if our German counterparts as a friendly
act decides to include the three extra characters
in that font.
Sigvald :-)
Georges Helm
Barks font without Danish/Norwegian special characters
Message 128 -
2003-01-17 at 22:15:27
From: "Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr." <sigvald at duckburg.dk>
> However this
> font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters. This leads me to wonder if
> the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
> just are a bit little informed?
The Font offered by the GERMAN D.O.N.A.L.D. organization offers
a GERMAN font.
The font does not include special Luxembourgish characters as well,
nor does it include French, Spanish, Greek, Cyrillic and more country
specific characters.
Although there are friends of Carl Barks in Luxembourg, Spain, Greece,
Russia a.s.o.
>Don't they know
> that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
> than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
> the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters?
>
> Whatever the reason for the lacking Danish/
> Norwegian special characters I think that
> Donaldists should co-operate over national and
> cultural borders. I am thus sure that the Danish
> Donaldist Society kindly will offer any help
> possible if our German counterparts as a friendly
> act decides to include the three extra characters
> in that font.
What about the other countries' characters, Sigvald?
I wonder whether you are a little bit chauvinistic or not informed.
Georges
> However this
> font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters. This leads me to wonder if
> the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
> just are a bit little informed?
The Font offered by the GERMAN D.O.N.A.L.D. organization offers
a GERMAN font.
The font does not include special Luxembourgish characters as well,
nor does it include French, Spanish, Greek, Cyrillic and more country
specific characters.
Although there are friends of Carl Barks in Luxembourg, Spain, Greece,
Russia a.s.o.
>Don't they know
> that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
> than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
> the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters?
>
> Whatever the reason for the lacking Danish/
> Norwegian special characters I think that
> Donaldists should co-operate over national and
> cultural borders. I am thus sure that the Danish
> Donaldist Society kindly will offer any help
> possible if our German counterparts as a friendly
> act decides to include the three extra characters
> in that font.
What about the other countries' characters, Sigvald?
I wonder whether you are a little bit chauvinistic or not informed.
Georges
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Barks font without Danish/Norwegian special characters
Message 129 -
2003-01-18 at 00:19:08
Georges Helm <geohelm at pt.lu> wrote:
> The Font offered by the GERMAN D.O.N.A.L.D.
> organization offers a GERMAN font.
Not entirely correct...
They offer a font which also is 100% compatible
for Swedish and AFAIK also Finnish. Thus it
works for some Nordic languages, but not for
all!
> The font does not include special Luxembourgish
> characters as well
Does such exist? AFAIK Dutch/Flemmish only uses
the standard 26 letter alfabet (I guess Harry
Fluks can confirm this).
> nor does it include French, Spanish,
I can see that.
> Greek, Cyrillic and more country
> specific characters.
These are complete diffirent alfabets and
is *not* a topic here.
> Although there are friends of Carl Barks in
> Luxembourg, Spain, Greece,
> Russia a.s.o.
Once again - mentioning Greece and Russia here
is *not* correct - this is a discussion about
the LATIN alfabet only.
> What about the other countries' characters,
> Sigvald?
IMO as many special charcters *within* the LATIN
alfabet as possible should be included.
And let me say the following to you all:
As long ago as in the 1980's I made my own
fonts for my Commodore 64. By then I always
included the A, O and U with dots over them.
And I am pretty sure that if Danish Donaldist
Society will ever create it's own font, that
one will include the A, O and U with dots over
them as well.
So please let us all be constructive here.
Sigvald :-)
> The Font offered by the GERMAN D.O.N.A.L.D.
> organization offers a GERMAN font.
Not entirely correct...
They offer a font which also is 100% compatible
for Swedish and AFAIK also Finnish. Thus it
works for some Nordic languages, but not for
all!
> The font does not include special Luxembourgish
> characters as well
Does such exist? AFAIK Dutch/Flemmish only uses
the standard 26 letter alfabet (I guess Harry
Fluks can confirm this).
> nor does it include French, Spanish,
I can see that.
> Greek, Cyrillic and more country
> specific characters.
These are complete diffirent alfabets and
is *not* a topic here.
> Although there are friends of Carl Barks in
> Luxembourg, Spain, Greece,
> Russia a.s.o.
Once again - mentioning Greece and Russia here
is *not* correct - this is a discussion about
the LATIN alfabet only.
> What about the other countries' characters,
> Sigvald?
IMO as many special charcters *within* the LATIN
alfabet as possible should be included.
And let me say the following to you all:
As long ago as in the 1980's I made my own
fonts for my Commodore 64. By then I always
included the A, O and U with dots over them.
And I am pretty sure that if Danish Donaldist
Society will ever create it's own font, that
one will include the A, O and U with dots over
them as well.
So please let us all be constructive here.
Sigvald :-)
Stefan Persson
Barks font without Danish/Norwegian special characters
Message 130 -
2003-01-18 at 00:29:30
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>>The font does not include special Luxembourgish
>>characters as well
>>
>>
>Does such exist? AFAIK Dutch/Flemmish only uses
>the standard 26 letter alfabet (I guess Harry
>Fluks can confirm this)
>
Dutch sometimes uses di?reses, though rarely.
>By then I always
>included the A, O and U with dots over them.
>
FYI: The "dots" are called "umlauts" in English.
Stefan
>>The font does not include special Luxembourgish
>>characters as well
>>
>>
>Does such exist? AFAIK Dutch/Flemmish only uses
>the standard 26 letter alfabet (I guess Harry
>Fluks can confirm this)
>
Dutch sometimes uses di?reses, though rarely.
>By then I always
>included the A, O and U with dots over them.
>
FYI: The "dots" are called "umlauts" in English.
Stefan
Matteo Sonz
Steve Geppi interview
Message 131 -
2003-01-18 at 04:05:13
Another bit of information from the italian "Anonima Fumetti" news agency
(always up-to-date!):
there is an article at
http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/2128.html and
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2129.html
where Steve Geppi analyzes the return of Disney comics in USA, with a lot of
details.
I don't remember exactly if all the topics have been reported yet here on
DCML. Anyway, there is also a hint about a huge electronic archive of Disney
comic pages owned by The Disney Company containing "not only a tremendous
compilation of who's who and what's what, and what's selling, but actually
analysis of how they rate the artists".
Obviously all this can raise discussions on the "owner's rights" subject,
which has been recently a "hot" topic. The existence of such a low-cost
electronic archive is one of the debatable policies of the Disney Company;
on the other hand, from a reader point-of-view, I can only say that this
archive can probably make easier the reprise of the publications in USA.
bye
(always up-to-date!):
there is an article at
http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/2128.html and
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/2129.html
where Steve Geppi analyzes the return of Disney comics in USA, with a lot of
details.
I don't remember exactly if all the topics have been reported yet here on
DCML. Anyway, there is also a hint about a huge electronic archive of Disney
comic pages owned by The Disney Company containing "not only a tremendous
compilation of who's who and what's what, and what's selling, but actually
analysis of how they rate the artists".
Obviously all this can raise discussions on the "owner's rights" subject,
which has been recently a "hot" topic. The existence of such a low-cost
electronic archive is one of the debatable policies of the Disney Company;
on the other hand, from a reader point-of-view, I can only say that this
archive can probably make easier the reprise of the publications in USA.
bye
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
A necessary correction
Message 132 -
2003-01-18 at 05:44:56
Hi all!
Accidentally I messed up and came up with some
wrong information in my previous postings about
the German Carl Barks font. I claimed that the
German alphabet is completely compatible with the
Swedish and the Finnish alphabets. Well ? that's
off course *not* correct as the German alphabet
is lacking the letter called "angel A". The
correct numbers is thus that the German alphabet
includes 28 out of the 29 characters (=96,55%
compatible) in the Swedish/Finnish alphabet and
26 out of 29 characters (=89,66% compatible) in
the Danish/Norwegian alphabet.
Anyway this doesn't change my previous point.
Donaldists should co-operate over national and
cultural borders ? in this case that means that
the German D.O.N.A.L.D. and the Danish Donaldist
Society should start a friendly communication in
order to improve D.O.N.A.L.D.s present product ?
the Carl Barks font. I suppose that NAFSK would
also be interested in such a co-operation!
Sigvald :-)
Accidentally I messed up and came up with some
wrong information in my previous postings about
the German Carl Barks font. I claimed that the
German alphabet is completely compatible with the
Swedish and the Finnish alphabets. Well ? that's
off course *not* correct as the German alphabet
is lacking the letter called "angel A". The
correct numbers is thus that the German alphabet
includes 28 out of the 29 characters (=96,55%
compatible) in the Swedish/Finnish alphabet and
26 out of 29 characters (=89,66% compatible) in
the Danish/Norwegian alphabet.
Anyway this doesn't change my previous point.
Donaldists should co-operate over national and
cultural borders ? in this case that means that
the German D.O.N.A.L.D. and the Danish Donaldist
Society should start a friendly communication in
order to improve D.O.N.A.L.D.s present product ?
the Carl Barks font. I suppose that NAFSK would
also be interested in such a co-operation!
Sigvald :-)
Klaus Harms
DCML digest, Vol 1 #1222 - 6 msgs
Message 133 -
2003-01-18 at 13:24:35
Some bean counter (name in of no interest here) wrote:
> At
> http://www.donald.org/de/barks/barks-font/home.html
> one can find a nice Carl Barks font. However this
> font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters. This leads me to wonder if
> the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
> just are a bit little informed? Don't they know
> that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
> than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
> the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters?
Tee hee, us Germans (who supposedly all designed that particular font,
all 80 million of us in the FRG, not including native German speakers in
other countries) are soo chauvinist, we even keep the letter "?" from
use by us! Now that's what I call national egoism!
Klaus
(a chauvinist)
P.S.: The D.O.N.A.L.D. celebrates its 26th annual congress on April 5th,
2003, in Oldenburg i.O., Germany. Whoever is interested in applied
donaldism is very welcome.
> At
> http://www.donald.org/de/barks/barks-font/home.html
> one can find a nice Carl Barks font. However this
> font does not include the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters. This leads me to wonder if
> the D.O.N.A.L.D. club is chauvinistic, or if they
> just are a bit little informed? Don't they know
> that Barks are popular in other Nordic countries
> than Sweden and Finland? Or don't they know about
> the very existence of the Danish/Norwegian
> special characters?
Tee hee, us Germans (who supposedly all designed that particular font,
all 80 million of us in the FRG, not including native German speakers in
other countries) are soo chauvinist, we even keep the letter "?" from
use by us! Now that's what I call national egoism!
Klaus
(a chauvinist)
P.S.: The D.O.N.A.L.D. celebrates its 26th annual congress on April 5th,
2003, in Oldenburg i.O., Germany. Whoever is interested in applied
donaldism is very welcome.
Freudenfett
Steve Geppi interview
Message 134 -
2003-01-18 at 13:25:29
For those who are understanding German:
I just found a seven-year-old but *up to date* article re. Steve Geppi and Carl Barks with several photos taken at Carl Barks' 95th birthday event.
"Der 95. Geburtstag or Dinner for One"
It's always Steve!
http://www.dreidreizehn.de/lexikon/artikel/art_barksgeburtstag00.html
I just found a seven-year-old but *up to date* article re. Steve Geppi and Carl Barks with several photos taken at Carl Barks' 95th birthday event.
"Der 95. Geburtstag or Dinner for One"
It's always Steve!
http://www.dreidreizehn.de/lexikon/artikel/art_barksgeburtstag00.html
Timo Ronkainen
Carl Barks Script Font
Message 135 -
2003-01-18 at 14:35:33
Klaus Harms wrote:
>we even keep the letter "ß" from...
This "double s" seems to be included, but as "SS". And this is font made by
German... What on...?? ;-)
Well there is also upside down "?" for Spanish.
Timo
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>we even keep the letter "ß" from...
This "double s" seems to be included, but as "SS". And this is font made by
German... What on...?? ;-)
Well there is also upside down "?" for Spanish.
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kylä 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
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¨¨ Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
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"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"
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