Hey Rich (and everyone)...
I always assumed that the older-looking lady duck in WDC&S 111 was Daisy's maid, i. e. her hired household help.
Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters were often shown employing maids in the newspaper comics at about this time. Barks would certainly have picked up on this; the WDC&S 111 story makes clear that Barks was reading the contemporary newspaper strips, for he shows Bolivar's puppy Behe, a then-current Karp/Taliaferro creation.
It is tempting -- too tempting, if you ask me, to assume that a newly discovered duckface character in Duckburg must ipso facto be a relative of the ducks we already know. It ain't necessarily so. Can we resist the urge to tie everyone to everyone?
David
Author
Topic: 200401
(338 messages)
Ramapith
RICH, others: "Daisy's mother"
Message 241 -
2004-01-27 at 02:34:24
Arthur Faria Jr.
Biquinho
Message 242 -
2004-01-27 at 05:40:57
Lars wrote:
> By the way, I see you have written a number of Biquinho stories. Do you
> have any thoughts on who his parents might be?
No, I'm not. Biquinho was created by the editors, and their
only concern was to fill a "gap" in the Disney universe:
there were no younger characters than the regular 10-years
old nephews/nieces. But if I'm not wrong, in Don Rosa's Duck
Family Tree we can see that Fethry has a brother, that lumberman
(lumberduck?) who appeared in a Barks story...
> And one other Fethry-related question: I've always thought Gloria is
> Fethry's girlfriend. A while back, though, I read a Brazilian story
> where it seemed like *he* was interested in *her*, but not the other way
> round. Are they a couple, or have I been wrong for all these years?
Yes, Gloria is Fethry's girlfriend in Brazilian stories.
The story you read is probably one of the first stories with Gloria,
when she and Fethry weren't "officially" together.
-- Arthur.
> By the way, I see you have written a number of Biquinho stories. Do you
> have any thoughts on who his parents might be?
No, I'm not. Biquinho was created by the editors, and their
only concern was to fill a "gap" in the Disney universe:
there were no younger characters than the regular 10-years
old nephews/nieces. But if I'm not wrong, in Don Rosa's Duck
Family Tree we can see that Fethry has a brother, that lumberman
(lumberduck?) who appeared in a Barks story...
> And one other Fethry-related question: I've always thought Gloria is
> Fethry's girlfriend. A while back, though, I read a Brazilian story
> where it seemed like *he* was interested in *her*, but not the other way
> round. Are they a couple, or have I been wrong for all these years?
Yes, Gloria is Fethry's girlfriend in Brazilian stories.
The story you read is probably one of the first stories with Gloria,
when she and Fethry weren't "officially" together.
-- Arthur.
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 33
Message 243 -
2004-01-27 at 08:12:50
> From: "Dyer, Sonia" <sonia.dyer at hp.com>
> Subject: Inspiration for Scrooge
> And yet Carnegie was very much driven by the European model you mention.
> Biographies of him show that once he became wealthy, he took his old
> mother back to Scotland, and drove her up and down High Street of the
> town they had left in a big fancy carriage, waving for all their old
> neighbors to see, and then he bought the local castle, and a flower
> garden he and his family were never allowed to set foot in when he was a
> child. Whether it was Andrew Carnegie or his mother driving these
> actions, they were acknowledged to be blatantly intended to generate
> envy from their former European neighbors.
Interesting! So, this is an "Old World" style of reaction to getting rich in
America?
I don't remember my Italian grandfather (the original "Keno"), he died when
I was 5, and nobody ever told me much about him. I think he might have been
a cranky old guy. Or dull, or something. I don't recall anyone speaking
fondly of his memory. But I was told that he came to America as a teenager
from a small town in northeast Italia called Maniago. He was the illiterate
son of a laborer, never had any education and knew the opportunities in
America were his only chance to improve his life. He got off the train here
in Louisville because this is where he ran out of what money he had. I'll
never know any details, but he started his construction business and built
it up for about 10 years until he was a major success (he's said to have
bought one of the first trucks in the state, that's about the only detail I
know), and then went back to Maniago about 1909 to flaunt his wealth in his
hometown. To brazenly show off how well he had done despite his lack of
education, they say he went after and married the daughter of the
aristocratic principal of the local school, had her dash off a bunch of kids
(naming one of them America Rosa) and returned to his life in Louisville in
1913. (Perhaps he'd spent most of his time in America during those years and
moved his family here in 1913?) Thereafter, I believe he returned to Maniago
every year for long visits to play the Big Shot, apparently by himself since
my father never went back to Italia after he was brought to America as a
child. I guess after escaping the European culture where you could never
rise above your caste, Gioachino ("Keno") was flaunting his success with
all these trips and behavior back to his hometown?
I think he also bought homes for the remaining Rosas in Maniago... they had
been female and had married into the Mazzoli family for one. Anyway, none of
my Italian relatives are named Rosa to my knowledge. And that might explain
another tiny mystery -- in recent years Duckfans in and around Maniago have
contacted the remaining Mazzolis who are still living in this house or
houses. I've visited many parts of Italia for comic fairs but never the
northeast, otherwise I certainly would have gone to Maniago. These friends
have given the Mazzolis my name and contact info so that I might communicate
with them, my only relatives left on earth. But they won't respond.
Maybe they fear that, as the last of the Clan Rosa, I own all their homes?
Or... maybe they just plain hated the guts of the American Rosas? Would part
of a European model be to hate the relatives that made it big in America? I
know many older Europeans/Italians feel that their countrymen who fled to
America were "trash". I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me
that during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I already
knew my grandfather was dirt.
> Subject: Inspiration for Scrooge
> And yet Carnegie was very much driven by the European model you mention.
> Biographies of him show that once he became wealthy, he took his old
> mother back to Scotland, and drove her up and down High Street of the
> town they had left in a big fancy carriage, waving for all their old
> neighbors to see, and then he bought the local castle, and a flower
> garden he and his family were never allowed to set foot in when he was a
> child. Whether it was Andrew Carnegie or his mother driving these
> actions, they were acknowledged to be blatantly intended to generate
> envy from their former European neighbors.
Interesting! So, this is an "Old World" style of reaction to getting rich in
America?
I don't remember my Italian grandfather (the original "Keno"), he died when
I was 5, and nobody ever told me much about him. I think he might have been
a cranky old guy. Or dull, or something. I don't recall anyone speaking
fondly of his memory. But I was told that he came to America as a teenager
from a small town in northeast Italia called Maniago. He was the illiterate
son of a laborer, never had any education and knew the opportunities in
America were his only chance to improve his life. He got off the train here
in Louisville because this is where he ran out of what money he had. I'll
never know any details, but he started his construction business and built
it up for about 10 years until he was a major success (he's said to have
bought one of the first trucks in the state, that's about the only detail I
know), and then went back to Maniago about 1909 to flaunt his wealth in his
hometown. To brazenly show off how well he had done despite his lack of
education, they say he went after and married the daughter of the
aristocratic principal of the local school, had her dash off a bunch of kids
(naming one of them America Rosa) and returned to his life in Louisville in
1913. (Perhaps he'd spent most of his time in America during those years and
moved his family here in 1913?) Thereafter, I believe he returned to Maniago
every year for long visits to play the Big Shot, apparently by himself since
my father never went back to Italia after he was brought to America as a
child. I guess after escaping the European culture where you could never
rise above your caste, Gioachino ("Keno") was flaunting his success with
all these trips and behavior back to his hometown?
I think he also bought homes for the remaining Rosas in Maniago... they had
been female and had married into the Mazzoli family for one. Anyway, none of
my Italian relatives are named Rosa to my knowledge. And that might explain
another tiny mystery -- in recent years Duckfans in and around Maniago have
contacted the remaining Mazzolis who are still living in this house or
houses. I've visited many parts of Italia for comic fairs but never the
northeast, otherwise I certainly would have gone to Maniago. These friends
have given the Mazzolis my name and contact info so that I might communicate
with them, my only relatives left on earth. But they won't respond.
Maybe they fear that, as the last of the Clan Rosa, I own all their homes?
Or... maybe they just plain hated the guts of the American Rosas? Would part
of a European model be to hate the relatives that made it big in America? I
know many older Europeans/Italians feel that their countrymen who fled to
America were "trash". I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me
that during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I already
knew my grandfather was dirt.
H.W.Fluks
Jules Coenen
Message 244 -
2004-01-27 at 10:37:51
Pascal wrote:
> I just heard the sad news that Disney comic artist Jules
> Coenen passed away last week.
Sad news indeed.
For a short text by Wilbert Plijnaar (in Dutch), see the bottom of this page:
http://pub75.ezboard.com/fstripnetstripliefhebbersforumfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=58.topic&start=41&stop=48
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wat doe ik hier?"
> I just heard the sad news that Disney comic artist Jules
> Coenen passed away last week.
Sad news indeed.
For a short text by Wilbert Plijnaar (in Dutch), see the bottom of this page:
http://pub75.ezboard.com/fstripnetstripliefhebbersforumfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=58.topic&start=41&stop=48
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wat doe ik hier?"
Kimba1962
DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue 32
Message 245 -
2004-01-27 at 18:35:28
RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy:
> The Brazilian creators opted for
> turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who
> coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist
> and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created
> several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just
> for your information)
Did the Brazilians also give Daisy's PHYSICAL appearance a makeover, as was done on QUACK PACK? In the latter, Daisy was given a new, ribbonless hairdo (feather-do?) and a flattering tube dress. I liked this "new look" very much. The HOUSE OF MOUSE Daisy had longer hair (head-feathers?) than the traditional model but more closely resembled the "classic" Daisy than did the QUACK PACK version. I'll have to look at one or two of those Brazilian panels...
Rich also wrote re the Riverside Rovers:
> Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty &
> Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the
> USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them
> previously in Danish and Chinese
> publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it!
> As i said, having not seen this story until now, I
> sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I
> totally understand. I loved it.
It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype. I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's bonding with the other members of the team?
Chris Barat
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> 3. The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera)
> 4. Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Olaf Solstrand)
> 5. RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera)
> 6. About Daisy (Matthew Williams)
> 7. Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia"
> (Daniel van Eijmeren)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0500
> From: Gary Leach <bangfish at comcast.net>
> Subject: Riddled
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <16A2FEED-4F44-11D8-B639-000393C28E48 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> >> To tease us now would be which, Riddle of the Red Hat?
> >
> > Either that one or Riddle of the Red Hat.
> >
> > Frank
>
> Riddle of the Red Hat? Hmmm...could be, could be. After all, there's
> still the possibility it could be Riddle of the Red Hat. Not that I'm
> saying anything definitive at this point. Wouldn't be prudent.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:40:18 -0200
> From: "Arthur Faria Jr." <afaria at brasopolis.com.br>
> Subject: RE: About Daisy
> To: "DcML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <001b01c3e35e$f33566a0$66a5d6c8 at arthur>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > I've thoroughly enjoyed what folks have had to say about Daisy, and I've
> > been disappointed that the thread hasn't drawn more attention. IMHO, I
> > think Daisy ISN'T a very satisfying character most of the time. (...)
>
> > Daisy has her moments, even though her character has so many diverse
> > incarnations! Some of my favorite Daisy moments (in no particular order)
> > are.
>
> > *The Donald short cartoon, "Donald's Dilemma." She's a strongly
> > identifiable character here, and I love when she shouts "ME! ME! ME!"
> > *The Donald short cartoon, "Daisy's Diary." She is a really sexist
> > stereotype there, but she is awful funny. I love how she looks after the
> > honeymoon is over! I love all of the sailors outside of the chapel too!
> > *The Blocks' "Three Little Cupids." Daisy's a perfect match for Donald in
> > this story! She actually has a tangible personality that isn't an
> > unrealistic superwoman or a sexist stereotype.
> > *Van Horn's "Heavy Duty." I love the unwitting destruction she wreaks on
> > Donald in this story.
> > *Janet Gilbert's "Night Shift." Daisy's a realistic, psychologically
> > satisfying character in a very absurd situation. This story really
> tickled
> > me!
>
>
>
> Matt, unfortunately you never read any of the hundreds of Brazilian
> Daisy stories published in her own comic book "Margarida" from 1986 to 1997
> (257 issues) You can see some covers at:
>
> http://www.papersera.net/vilaxurupita/mg/mg001_025.htm
>
> and complete issue indexing in Inducks. The Brazilian creators opted for
> turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who
> coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist
> and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created
> several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just
> for your information)
>
> Anyway, I'm sure you'd love to read those Brazilian Daisy stories ---
> which were also published in Italy, some in France and few
> in Denmark I guess. (Maybe other countries don't like motivated
> female characters... :-)
>
> -- Arthur.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800
> From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <E1AkrVW-0006Xv-00 at sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time the
> subject was brought up, but now that we've
> had a few stories with them here in the USA it can be added that the translators
> seem to have favored calling P.C. (the
> cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl-faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a
> direct carryover of the already English naming. I
> wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced boy) and CLINT the
> computer remaind unchanged?
>
> Oh, since it wasn't mentioned in Olaf message last time, the name CLINT is an
> acronym for "Computer Limited
> Intelligence Nutty Technocrat" (according to the database).
>
> However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone know?
>
> Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty &
> Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the
> USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them
> previously in Danish and Chinese
> publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it!
> As i said, having not seen this story until now, I
> sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I
> totally understand. I loved it.
>
> Another interesting thing brought up in the story is that we learn that Morty &
> Ferdie live in..... "Mouseton".... Uh, that's the
> first time I've seen Gemstone use that name. I'm pleased. Also, apparently
> their mother (who makes her modern-day
> debut in the USA, I think) writes for the Mouseton Argus, which I assume is
> Mouseton's newspaper?
>
> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to Mouseton,
> also?
>
> I look forward to more of the Riverside Rovers in future issues of Gemstone
> publications. So far, the team-players who
> were named match those of other countries where these tales have appeared. Only
> Nipper, Pat, Mitch and Husky are the
> only ones named so far. It remains to be seen if the rest will be called Spike,
> Sly, Kevin & Wally, and the last member ,
> #12, whose name escapes me at the moment , will be named thusly.
>
> I hope Gemstone will opt to publish some of the newer Junior Woodchuck stories
> featuring the moguls Bertie McGoose &
> Clarissa von Scout in the near future as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Bellacera
> xephyr at cwnet.com
>
>
>
>
> ---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:54 +0100
> From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: xephyr at cwnet.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <opr2cph4hs09gznx at mail.andebyonline.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> På Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800, skrev Rich Bellacera
> <xephyr at cwnet.com>:
>
> > Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time
> > the subject was brought up, but now that we've had a few stories with
> > them here in the USA it can be added that the translators seem to have
> > favored calling P.C. (the cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl-
> > faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a direct carryover of the already English
> > naming. I wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced
> > boy) and CLINT the computer remaind unchanged?
>
> I noticed the "Sonya" name myself, and reacted to it because I thought P.C.
> was such a wonderful name... Oh well...
>
>
>
> > However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone
> > know?
>
> I can make a guess. In Norway, they have the name "IT-gjengen" - "the IT
> posse" or something - where IT is a widely known acronym of information
> technology. Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or
> information technology. To say for sure, I guess one needs access to the
> English version of their first story... Anyone in Egmont who knows?
>
>
>
> > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to
> > Mouseton, also?
>
> I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in
> Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the
> river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated
> accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates).
>
>
> --
> Olaf "the Blue" Solstrand
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:09:51 +0000
> From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> Subject: RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <4013CE2F.6090104 at cwnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Olaf Solstrand said:
> >Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or
> information technology.
>
> The "Information Team"? That makes sense to me, too. IT is an acronym
> for Information
> Technology here in the USA, too.
>
> >> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to
> >> Mouseton, also?
>
> >I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in
> >Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the
> >river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated
> >accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates).
>
> O.K. That could very well be the case in the US English version of the story,
> too, but I'm not sure it's very common in many towns to have more than one
> "team" representing the town, unless, I guess, if the town is quite large enough
> to accommodate many teams. In the story, as presented in MM&F, the "Mouseton"
> team was already full so Mrs. Fieldmouse opted to sign her sons and Gilbert up
> with the Riverside Rovers who happened to be sharing practice in the same park
> as the "FC Mouseton Juniors" (the local Mouseton team). In my own experience,
> my hometown was spread out so far that there was definitely more than one team
> representing my town, but we weren't close enough to share the same practice
> field. So, I guess you could be right. It would also explain why Morty, Ferdie
> & Gilbert had never met any of the other kids before, too if they all live in
> Mouseton.
>
> Thanks, Rich
>
>
>
>
> The Brazilian creators opted for
> turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who
> coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist
> and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created
> several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just
> for your information)
Did the Brazilians also give Daisy's PHYSICAL appearance a makeover, as was done on QUACK PACK? In the latter, Daisy was given a new, ribbonless hairdo (feather-do?) and a flattering tube dress. I liked this "new look" very much. The HOUSE OF MOUSE Daisy had longer hair (head-feathers?) than the traditional model but more closely resembled the "classic" Daisy than did the QUACK PACK version. I'll have to look at one or two of those Brazilian panels...
Rich also wrote re the Riverside Rovers:
> Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty &
> Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the
> USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them
> previously in Danish and Chinese
> publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it!
> As i said, having not seen this story until now, I
> sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I
> totally understand. I loved it.
It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype. I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's bonding with the other members of the team?
Chris Barat
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> 1. Riddled (Gary Leach)
> 2. RE: About Daisy (Arthur Faria Jr.)
> 3. The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera)
> 4. Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Olaf Solstrand)
> 5. RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again) (Rich Bellacera)
> 6. About Daisy (Matthew Williams)
> 7. Question about "Romano Scarpa - Sognando la Calidornia"
> (Daniel van Eijmeren)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0500
> From: Gary Leach <bangfish at comcast.net>
> Subject: Riddled
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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> >> To tease us now would be which, Riddle of the Red Hat?
> >
> > Either that one or Riddle of the Red Hat.
> >
> > Frank
>
> Riddle of the Red Hat? Hmmm...could be, could be. After all, there's
> still the possibility it could be Riddle of the Red Hat. Not that I'm
> saying anything definitive at this point. Wouldn't be prudent.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:40:18 -0200
> From: "Arthur Faria Jr." <afaria at brasopolis.com.br>
> Subject: RE: About Daisy
> To: "DcML" <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <001b01c3e35e$f33566a0$66a5d6c8 at arthur>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > I've thoroughly enjoyed what folks have had to say about Daisy, and I've
> > been disappointed that the thread hasn't drawn more attention. IMHO, I
> > think Daisy ISN'T a very satisfying character most of the time. (...)
>
> > Daisy has her moments, even though her character has so many diverse
> > incarnations! Some of my favorite Daisy moments (in no particular order)
> > are.
>
> > *The Donald short cartoon, "Donald's Dilemma." She's a strongly
> > identifiable character here, and I love when she shouts "ME! ME! ME!"
> > *The Donald short cartoon, "Daisy's Diary." She is a really sexist
> > stereotype there, but she is awful funny. I love how she looks after the
> > honeymoon is over! I love all of the sailors outside of the chapel too!
> > *The Blocks' "Three Little Cupids." Daisy's a perfect match for Donald in
> > this story! She actually has a tangible personality that isn't an
> > unrealistic superwoman or a sexist stereotype.
> > *Van Horn's "Heavy Duty." I love the unwitting destruction she wreaks on
> > Donald in this story.
> > *Janet Gilbert's "Night Shift." Daisy's a realistic, psychologically
> > satisfying character in a very absurd situation. This story really
> tickled
> > me!
>
>
>
> Matt, unfortunately you never read any of the hundreds of Brazilian
> Daisy stories published in her own comic book "Margarida" from 1986 to 1997
> (257 issues) You can see some covers at:
>
> http://www.papersera.net/vilaxurupita/mg/mg001_025.htm
>
> and complete issue indexing in Inducks. The Brazilian creators opted for
> turning that old silly Daisy Duck into a modern, liberated woman who
> coincidently was a "highly motivated TV" (and also newspaper) "journalist
> and career woman". This "New Daisy", as she was known, was created
> several years before Quack Pack and House of Mouse shows (just
> for your information)
>
> Anyway, I'm sure you'd love to read those Brazilian Daisy stories ---
> which were also published in Italy, some in France and few
> in Denmark I guess. (Maybe other countries don't like motivated
> female characters... :-)
>
> -- Arthur.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800
> From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> Subject: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <E1AkrVW-0006Xv-00 at sac-cwmail03.cwnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time the
> subject was brought up, but now that we've
> had a few stories with them here in the USA it can be added that the translators
> seem to have favored calling P.C. (the
> cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl-faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a
> direct carryover of the already English naming. I
> wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced boy) and CLINT the
> computer remaind unchanged?
>
> Oh, since it wasn't mentioned in Olaf message last time, the name CLINT is an
> acronym for "Computer Limited
> Intelligence Nutty Technocrat" (according to the database).
>
> However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone know?
>
> Now, concerning the Riverside Rovers, the Soccer Team which Gilbert, Morty &
> Ferdie joined; their first appearance in the
> USA was published in "MICKEY MOUSE & FRIENDS" # 261. Having only seen them
> previously in Danish and Chinese
> publications, and never this "origin" tale, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it!
> As i said, having not seen this story until now, I
> sort of felt Gilbert's membership on the team seemed out-of-character, but now I
> totally understand. I loved it.
>
> Another interesting thing brought up in the story is that we learn that Morty &
> Ferdie live in..... "Mouseton".... Uh, that's the
> first time I've seen Gemstone use that name. I'm pleased. Also, apparently
> their mother (who makes her modern-day
> debut in the USA, I think) writes for the Mouseton Argus, which I assume is
> Mouseton's newspaper?
>
> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to Mouseton,
> also?
>
> I look forward to more of the Riverside Rovers in future issues of Gemstone
> publications. So far, the team-players who
> were named match those of other countries where these tales have appeared. Only
> Nipper, Pat, Mitch and Husky are the
> only ones named so far. It remains to be seen if the rest will be called Spike,
> Sly, Kevin & Wally, and the last member ,
> #12, whose name escapes me at the moment , will be named thusly.
>
> I hope Gemstone will opt to publish some of the newer Junior Woodchuck stories
> featuring the moguls Bertie McGoose &
> Clarissa von Scout in the near future as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Bellacera
> xephyr at cwnet.com
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:47:54 +0100
> From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: xephyr at cwnet.com, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <opr2cph4hs09gznx at mail.andebyonline.com>
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>
> På Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0800, skrev Rich Bellacera
> <xephyr at cwnet.com>:
>
> > Thanks to Olaf the Blue for sharing his knowledge of the I-Team last time
> > the subject was brought up, but now that we've had a few stories with
> > them here in the USA it can be added that the translators seem to have
> > favored calling P.C. (the cat-faced girl) "Sonya" and Benny (the owl-
> > faced boy) "Beaky" instead of a direct carryover of the already English
> > naming. I wonder why those names were changed and Mack (the dog-faced
> > boy) and CLINT the computer remaind unchanged?
>
> I noticed the "Sonya" name myself, and reacted to it because I thought P.C.
> was such a wonderful name... Oh well...
>
>
>
> > However, I still don't know what the "I" in "I-Team" stands for. Anyone
> > know?
>
> I can make a guess. In Norway, they have the name "IT-gjengen" - "the IT
> posse" or something - where IT is a widely known acronym of information
> technology. Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or
> information technology. To say for sure, I guess one needs access to the
> English version of their first story... Anyone in Egmont who knows?
>
>
>
> > I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to
> > Mouseton, also?
>
> I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in
> Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the
> river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated
> accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates).
>
>
> --
> Olaf "the Blue" Solstrand
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:09:51 +0000
> From: Rich Bellacera <xephyr at cwnet.com>
> Subject: RE: The I-Team & The Riverside Rovers (again)
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <4013CE2F.6090104 at cwnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Olaf Solstrand said:
> >Maybe the I in "I-Team" also stands for information or
> information technology.
>
> The "Information Team"? That makes sense to me, too. IT is an acronym
> for Information
> Technology here in the USA, too.
>
> >> I'm guessing that "Riverside" is the name of a neighboring town to
> >> Mouseton, also?
>
> >I always thought of that name as "the rovers at the riverside in
> >Mouseton(/Duckburg)". As far as I remember, their soccer field is by the
> >river, isn't it? Also, in Norwegian translations it's translated
> >accurately, into "Elvebreddskameratene" (riverside mates).
>
> O.K. That could very well be the case in the US English version of the story,
> too, but I'm not sure it's very common in many towns to have more than one
> "team" representing the town, unless, I guess, if the town is quite large enough
> to accommodate many teams. In the story, as presented in MM&F, the "Mouseton"
> team was already full so Mrs. Fieldmouse opted to sign her sons and Gilbert up
> with the Riverside Rovers who happened to be sharing practice in the same park
> as the "FC Mouseton Juniors" (the local Mouseton team). In my own experience,
> my hometown was spread out so far that there was definitely more than one team
> representing my town, but we weren't close enough to share the same practice
> field. So, I guess you could be right. It would also explain why Morty, Ferdie
> & Gilbert had never met any of the other kids before, too if they all live in
> Mouseton.
>
> Thanks, Rich
>
>
>
>
Rich Bellacera
Daisy & the Riverside Rovers [was: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue
Message 246 -
2004-01-27 at 19:29:49
kimba1962 at comcast.net said:
>RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy:
>> The Brazilian creators opted for
Actually, Arthur Faria wrote the above, not me. :-) But from what I've seen of the Brazilian "make-
over" Daisy's cosmetic make-over was more in the style of clothing. What was more notable was her
personality make-over, in that she was given much more to do than just they typical: screaming at
Donald, gossipping
with her girlfriends, comparing Donald to Gladstone, and getting her hair done. She was given
responsible jobs, shown in leadership positions, even over other
Disney characters, etc. She was presented as a "contemporary" liberated woman.
In some modern stories, not necessarily Brazilian, I noticed that she and
Donald express a much more civil and loving relationship, and she contributes
greatly to the familial atmosphere of the Duck Family, not just as April, May
& June's Aunt, but as a role-model for them (and thus for young girls who read
her comics).
> It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the
collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD
have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar
words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the
old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype.
That was what I meant by my previous impression that Gilbert seemed out-of-place until I read this
story. I was elated by Gilbert's make-over. He retains his "high I.Q." but seems to fit in with
Morty & Ferdie and the other kids somuch better. Halas really did Gilbert's character a BIG favor.
However, the one thing about his new "look" is that he now looks more like Goofy's son, Max.
There's less to distinguish between Max & Gilbert visually now... but, since Max is really part of a
seperate universe, it is fine with me. In the past, to me, Gilbert seemed to be sort of the
Mouseton version of Duckburg's own Newton, Gyro's nephew. I would love to see Gilbert & Newton in
some sort of intelligence competition. But, now, with Gilbert acting more like a "real" kid, and
Newton, likewise, expanding on his own persona as a Junior Woodchuck in modern Italian stories,
their stereotypes have diminished and their personalities have grown.
>I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place
of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's
bonding with the other members of the team?
I missed that... Hmmmm. I'll have to re-read the story and see what I make of it. It could be that
the "Goofy-ese" is a familial trait and no matter how smart a Goof is, he's still genetically
inclined to such outbursts??? I dunno... Max does the same in Goof Troop and the Goofy Movies, as do
many of Goofy's other relatives.
BTW, simba, please be careful about copying the ENTIRE digest in future posts, O.K.?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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>RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy:
>> The Brazilian creators opted for
Actually, Arthur Faria wrote the above, not me. :-) But from what I've seen of the Brazilian "make-
over" Daisy's cosmetic make-over was more in the style of clothing. What was more notable was her
personality make-over, in that she was given much more to do than just they typical: screaming at
Donald, gossipping
with her girlfriends, comparing Donald to Gladstone, and getting her hair done. She was given
responsible jobs, shown in leadership positions, even over other
Disney characters, etc. She was presented as a "contemporary" liberated woman.
In some modern stories, not necessarily Brazilian, I noticed that she and
Donald express a much more civil and loving relationship, and she contributes
greatly to the familial atmosphere of the Duck Family, not just as April, May
& June's Aunt, but as a role-model for them (and thus for young girls who read
her comics).
> It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the
collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD
have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar
words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the
old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype.
That was what I meant by my previous impression that Gilbert seemed out-of-place until I read this
story. I was elated by Gilbert's make-over. He retains his "high I.Q." but seems to fit in with
Morty & Ferdie and the other kids somuch better. Halas really did Gilbert's character a BIG favor.
However, the one thing about his new "look" is that he now looks more like Goofy's son, Max.
There's less to distinguish between Max & Gilbert visually now... but, since Max is really part of a
seperate universe, it is fine with me. In the past, to me, Gilbert seemed to be sort of the
Mouseton version of Duckburg's own Newton, Gyro's nephew. I would love to see Gilbert & Newton in
some sort of intelligence competition. But, now, with Gilbert acting more like a "real" kid, and
Newton, likewise, expanding on his own persona as a Junior Woodchuck in modern Italian stories,
their stereotypes have diminished and their personalities have grown.
>I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place
of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's
bonding with the other members of the team?
I missed that... Hmmmm. I'll have to re-read the story and see what I make of it. It could be that
the "Goofy-ese" is a familial trait and no matter how smart a Goof is, he's still genetically
inclined to such outbursts??? I dunno... Max does the same in Goof Troop and the Goofy Movies, as do
many of Goofy's other relatives.
BTW, simba, please be careful about copying the ENTIRE digest in future posts, O.K.?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Rich Bellacera
Daisy & the Riverside Rovers [was: DCML Digest, Vol 11, Issue
Message 247 -
2004-01-27 at 19:29:49
kimba1962 at comcast.net said:
>RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy:
>> The Brazilian creators opted for
Actually, Arthur Faria wrote the above, not me. :-) But from what I've seen of the Brazilian "make-
over" Daisy's cosmetic make-over was more in the style of clothing. What was more notable was her
personality make-over, in that she was given much more to do than just they typical: screaming at
Donald, gossipping
with her girlfriends, comparing Donald to Gladstone, and getting her hair done. She was given
responsible jobs, shown in leadership positions, even over other
Disney characters, etc. She was presented as a "contemporary" liberated woman.
In some modern stories, not necessarily Brazilian, I noticed that she and
Donald express a much more civil and loving relationship, and she contributes
greatly to the familial atmosphere of the Duck Family, not just as April, May
& June's Aunt, but as a role-model for them (and thus for young girls who read
her comics).
> It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the
collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD
have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar
words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the
old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype.
That was what I meant by my previous impression that Gilbert seemed out-of-place until I read this
story. I was elated by Gilbert's make-over. He retains his "high I.Q." but seems to fit in with
Morty & Ferdie and the other kids somuch better. Halas really did Gilbert's character a BIG favor.
However, the one thing about his new "look" is that he now looks more like Goofy's son, Max.
There's less to distinguish between Max & Gilbert visually now... but, since Max is really part of a
seperate universe, it is fine with me. In the past, to me, Gilbert seemed to be sort of the
Mouseton version of Duckburg's own Newton, Gyro's nephew. I would love to see Gilbert & Newton in
some sort of intelligence competition. But, now, with Gilbert acting more like a "real" kid, and
Newton, likewise, expanding on his own persona as a Junior Woodchuck in modern Italian stories,
their stereotypes have diminished and their personalities have grown.
>I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place
of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's
bonding with the other members of the team?
I missed that... Hmmmm. I'll have to re-read the story and see what I make of it. It could be that
the "Goofy-ese" is a familial trait and no matter how smart a Goof is, he's still genetically
inclined to such outbursts??? I dunno... Max does the same in Goof Troop and the Goofy Movies, as do
many of Goofy's other relatives.
BTW, simba, please be careful about copying the ENTIRE digest in future posts, O.K.?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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>RICH BELLACERA wrote re Daisy:
>> The Brazilian creators opted for
Actually, Arthur Faria wrote the above, not me. :-) But from what I've seen of the Brazilian "make-
over" Daisy's cosmetic make-over was more in the style of clothing. What was more notable was her
personality make-over, in that she was given much more to do than just they typical: screaming at
Donald, gossipping
with her girlfriends, comparing Donald to Gladstone, and getting her hair done. She was given
responsible jobs, shown in leadership positions, even over other
Disney characters, etc. She was presented as a "contemporary" liberated woman.
In some modern stories, not necessarily Brazilian, I noticed that she and
Donald express a much more civil and loving relationship, and she contributes
greatly to the familial atmosphere of the Duck Family, not just as April, May
& June's Aunt, but as a role-model for them (and thus for young girls who read
her comics).
> It helped that Gilbert was given a "makeover" of his own. Away with the mortarboard hat, the
collared shirt, and the pocket pen protector (if he never actually sported the latter, he SHOULD
have!). Here, he looked like a reasonably "normal" kid. He also didn't drop as many two-dollar
words as he used to in those GOOFY filler stories. Halas (the writer) must have recognized that the
old characterization simply wouldn't fly any more, even as a caricatured stereotype.
That was what I meant by my previous impression that Gilbert seemed out-of-place until I read this
story. I was elated by Gilbert's make-over. He retains his "high I.Q." but seems to fit in with
Morty & Ferdie and the other kids somuch better. Halas really did Gilbert's character a BIG favor.
However, the one thing about his new "look" is that he now looks more like Goofy's son, Max.
There's less to distinguish between Max & Gilbert visually now... but, since Max is really part of a
seperate universe, it is fine with me. In the past, to me, Gilbert seemed to be sort of the
Mouseton version of Duckburg's own Newton, Gyro's nephew. I would love to see Gilbert & Newton in
some sort of intelligence competition. But, now, with Gilbert acting more like a "real" kid, and
Newton, likewise, expanding on his own persona as a Junior Woodchuck in modern Italian stories,
their stereotypes have diminished and their personalities have grown.
>I was puzzled by one panel in which Gil started speaking some Goofy-ese ("th'" in the place
of "the," etc.). Was this a goof (hyuck) or was Halas trying to make some sort of point about Gil's
bonding with the other members of the team?
I missed that... Hmmmm. I'll have to re-read the story and see what I make of it. It could be that
the "Goofy-ese" is a familial trait and no matter how smart a Goof is, he's still genetically
inclined to such outbursts??? I dunno... Max does the same in Goof Troop and the Goofy Movies, as do
many of Goofy's other relatives.
BTW, simba, please be careful about copying the ENTIRE digest in future posts, O.K.?
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Dyer, Sonia
Origin of Scrooge
Message 248 -
2004-01-27 at 20:57:22
Don Rosa wrote:
>Would part of a European model be to hate the relatives that
>made it big in America? I know many older Europeans/Italians
>feel that their countrymen who fled to America were "trash".
>I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me that
>during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I
>already knew my grandfather was dirt.
Well the Carnegie's certainly felt their Scottish neighbors
considered them dirt when they left town. The husband was a respectable
linen weaver until driven bankrupt by the Industrial Revolution. In
those days, going bankrupt or just being poor was considered a moral
failing, not just a financial problem.
I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left
town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America
rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt
after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm.
Possible story there.
Sonia
>Would part of a European model be to hate the relatives that
>made it big in America? I know many older Europeans/Italians
>feel that their countrymen who fled to America were "trash".
>I've had a few smiling, friendly old Italians tell me that
>during my trips, as if it was simply common knowledge and I
>already knew my grandfather was dirt.
Well the Carnegie's certainly felt their Scottish neighbors
considered them dirt when they left town. The husband was a respectable
linen weaver until driven bankrupt by the Industrial Revolution. In
those days, going bankrupt or just being poor was considered a moral
failing, not just a financial problem.
I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left
town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America
rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt
after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm.
Possible story there.
Sonia
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 35
Message 249 -
2004-01-27 at 22:49:13
> From: "Dyer, Sonia" <sonia.dyer at hp.com>
> Subject: Origin of Scrooge
> I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left
> town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America
> rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt
> after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm.
> Possible story there.
Yeah -- I did that story over 10 years ago... "Lo$" episode 9, "The
Billionaire of Dismal Downs".
> Subject: Origin of Scrooge
> I wonder what Scrooge's Scottish neighbors thought when he left
> town, dirt poor. And how did they react when he came back from America
> rich? And did Scrooge flaunt his wealth to show his family wasn't dirt
> after all, and to generate envy from the old nay-sayers? Hmmmm.
> Possible story there.
Yeah -- I did that story over 10 years ago... "Lo$" episode 9, "The
Billionaire of Dismal Downs".
Rich Bellacera
Riverside Rover #12?
Message 250 -
2004-01-28 at 00:33:08
Anyone know the name of the 12th member of the Riverside Rovers?
He's a little dogface boy with red hair and bears the number 12 on his uniform. I
know he didn't appear in the first few stories, but I have two Riverside Rover
stories published in China with him. Unfortunately, the Chinese don't always
display the storycode so I can't say which ones they are. I can provide a scan of
the boy if necessary, though. I think I translated his name to "Sam", but I can't
recall if anyone on this List ever verified that name as true.
The other 11 are: Morty & Ferdy [mice], Gilbert [dog], Huskie [dog], Sly [cat],
Spike [goose], Nipper [rat], Wally [dog], Mitch [cow], Pat [pig] & Kevin
[chicken?].
His name is missing from any of the INDUCKS listings.
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/comp2.php?lg=0&default_o=1&ser=Riverside+Rovers
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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He's a little dogface boy with red hair and bears the number 12 on his uniform. I
know he didn't appear in the first few stories, but I have two Riverside Rover
stories published in China with him. Unfortunately, the Chinese don't always
display the storycode so I can't say which ones they are. I can provide a scan of
the boy if necessary, though. I think I translated his name to "Sam", but I can't
recall if anyone on this List ever verified that name as true.
The other 11 are: Morty & Ferdy [mice], Gilbert [dog], Huskie [dog], Sly [cat],
Spike [goose], Nipper [rat], Wally [dog], Mitch [cow], Pat [pig] & Kevin
[chicken?].
His name is missing from any of the INDUCKS listings.
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/comp2.php?lg=0&default_o=1&ser=Riverside+Rovers
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Anthvvuono
Questions for Mr. Rosa
Message 251 -
2004-01-28 at 07:22:27
Dear Don Rosa,
Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet? Also, what
kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French magazine? In the meantime,
I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this
spring in Uncle Scrooge 329. I saw on a comics website that Gemstone is publishing
it then.
Sincerely,
Anthony
Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet? Also, what
kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French magazine? In the meantime,
I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this
spring in Uncle Scrooge 329. I saw on a comics website that Gemstone is publishing
it then.
Sincerely,
Anthony
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 36
Message 252 -
2004-01-28 at 16:13:00
From: Anthvvuono at aol.com
Subject: Questions for Mr. Rosa
>>>>>Dear Don Rosa,
Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet?
I think it will be another "Three Caballeros" story, this one set in Jose's
Brazil since the last one was set in Panchito's Mexico. And it might amuse
the folks there (if they aren't too upset that I don't follow their version
of Jose as a bum/con man) when I tour parts of Brazil during the Recife
comic festival I'm invited to in May.
>>>>> Also, what kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French
magazine?
Pin-ups. The kind men like. No, I mean pin-ups based on the Barks or Rosa
story in the issue. (We refer to PICSOU.) So far I've done pin-ups for "A
Cold Bargain" (already published), "The Guardians of the Lost Library", and
a "generic" Barks homage for a "Barks Homage" issue -- that one is a sort of
game where I show the Ducks marching off on some quest or trip, and I have
insets of 18 different treasures or "unique items" that were featured in
various Barks adventures; the readers (I assume) will be given a chance to
name the items, or maybe they'll just print a key to them on another page.
>>>>In the meantime,
I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this
spring in Uncle Scrooge 329.
I just received the issue of ZIO PAPERONE that featured that story, with
nifty Marco Rota front and back covers with scenes from same. As always, the
Italian presentation is the best thus far, especially with the extensive
lead-in article by DCML member Luca Boschi; I hope the American version will
be even better... except for where they gave the Beagle Boys white colored
hands (creepy... white gloves with hair and fingernails on them? Looked like
something Ed Gein or Hannibal Lector would wear!), the coloring on my stuff
in the Gemstones has been lovely!
The Italian version (and Italian Disney stuff in general) had its own usual
coloring oddity, one I've never asked anyone about... but everyone is always
wearing bright yellow shoes and boots. Is that some sort of in-joke for
Mickey Mouse foot fetishists? Or is it another Ed Gein thing?
Subject: Questions for Mr. Rosa
>>>>>Dear Don Rosa,
Did you come up with an idea for a new story as of yet?
I think it will be another "Three Caballeros" story, this one set in Jose's
Brazil since the last one was set in Panchito's Mexico. And it might amuse
the folks there (if they aren't too upset that I don't follow their version
of Jose as a bum/con man) when I tour parts of Brazil during the Recife
comic festival I'm invited to in May.
>>>>> Also, what kind of pictures have you been drawing for the French
magazine?
Pin-ups. The kind men like. No, I mean pin-ups based on the Barks or Rosa
story in the issue. (We refer to PICSOU.) So far I've done pin-ups for "A
Cold Bargain" (already published), "The Guardians of the Lost Library", and
a "generic" Barks homage for a "Barks Homage" issue -- that one is a sort of
game where I show the Ducks marching off on some quest or trip, and I have
insets of 18 different treasures or "unique items" that were featured in
various Barks adventures; the readers (I assume) will be given a chance to
name the items, or maybe they'll just print a key to them on another page.
>>>>In the meantime,
I'm looking forward to reading your epic "Dream of a Lifetime" later this
spring in Uncle Scrooge 329.
I just received the issue of ZIO PAPERONE that featured that story, with
nifty Marco Rota front and back covers with scenes from same. As always, the
Italian presentation is the best thus far, especially with the extensive
lead-in article by DCML member Luca Boschi; I hope the American version will
be even better... except for where they gave the Beagle Boys white colored
hands (creepy... white gloves with hair and fingernails on them? Looked like
something Ed Gein or Hannibal Lector would wear!), the coloring on my stuff
in the Gemstones has been lovely!
The Italian version (and Italian Disney stuff in general) had its own usual
coloring oddity, one I've never asked anyone about... but everyone is always
wearing bright yellow shoes and boots. Is that some sort of in-joke for
Mickey Mouse foot fetishists? Or is it another Ed Gein thing?
Mickey
Questions about Lo$
Message 253 -
2004-01-28 at 17:38:07
Hi, everybody... I know it might sound incredible: there is still somebody
who have questions about Lo$ (and the Family Tree)! I know that an answer to
the following has been given (or can't!), but I must have missed them :)
Greater the work (Lo$), more the analysis, isn't it?
1) Where does "Abner" comes from about Whitewater Duck? And the "Dabney" for
Humperdink?
2) Are any other b-chapters of the Lo$ planned?
3) Is it now impossible that the Ducks were in Dawson at the time of Scrooge
(as intended in the rejected storyboards of Don Rosa), isn't it? Even if
they didn't met?
4) Is the "Mabel" who appears at the end of the chapter 10 of Lo$ another
homage to Barks?
Sorry for the "bordome" and the mistakes.
bye
Mickey
who have questions about Lo$ (and the Family Tree)! I know that an answer to
the following has been given (or can't!), but I must have missed them :)
Greater the work (Lo$), more the analysis, isn't it?
1) Where does "Abner" comes from about Whitewater Duck? And the "Dabney" for
Humperdink?
2) Are any other b-chapters of the Lo$ planned?
3) Is it now impossible that the Ducks were in Dawson at the time of Scrooge
(as intended in the rejected storyboards of Don Rosa), isn't it? Even if
they didn't met?
4) Is the "Mabel" who appears at the end of the chapter 10 of Lo$ another
homage to Barks?
Sorry for the "bordome" and the mistakes.
bye
Mickey
Lars Jensen
Donald and the Girls
Message 254 -
2004-01-28 at 19:03:32
Nils "Klartekst" Smeby wrote:
> in "The Oddyssey" by Gorm Transgård and Vicar (D96308) Donald is
> shipwrecked on a tropical island and meets a beautiful pearl diver. He
> is certainly in love with her and she seems more than a little
> interested in him too. Wouldn't it be fun if she turned up in Duckburg
> one day? Especially since, according to this story, the reason Donald
> always wears a sailor's suit is so that she will recognize him if they
> ever meet again. A sequal just waiting to be told, hint, hint.
Doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" certainly has possibilities, but I'm not
sure it's a good idea. If we want to avoid the sequel being pointless
(and thus frustrate the readers), it would have to feature more than a
cameo from the girl. She would have to meet up with Donald and get to
know him. Which then raises the problem: If the girl knows everything
about Donald, including who he is and where he lives, why does he
continue to wear his sailor suit after that? And since (for the sake of
continuity) Donald and the pearl diver would have to split up at the end
of the story, we would be reducing the girl from being a mysterious
"lost love" to merely being some girl Donald was interested in at some
point -- but no longer is. (Not as much as he is in Daisy, anyway.)
While doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" might be fun, there's a good
chance it would work negatively on the story it's supposed to be an
homage to.
Lars
> in "The Oddyssey" by Gorm Transgård and Vicar (D96308) Donald is
> shipwrecked on a tropical island and meets a beautiful pearl diver. He
> is certainly in love with her and she seems more than a little
> interested in him too. Wouldn't it be fun if she turned up in Duckburg
> one day? Especially since, according to this story, the reason Donald
> always wears a sailor's suit is so that she will recognize him if they
> ever meet again. A sequal just waiting to be told, hint, hint.
Doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" certainly has possibilities, but I'm not
sure it's a good idea. If we want to avoid the sequel being pointless
(and thus frustrate the readers), it would have to feature more than a
cameo from the girl. She would have to meet up with Donald and get to
know him. Which then raises the problem: If the girl knows everything
about Donald, including who he is and where he lives, why does he
continue to wear his sailor suit after that? And since (for the sake of
continuity) Donald and the pearl diver would have to split up at the end
of the story, we would be reducing the girl from being a mysterious
"lost love" to merely being some girl Donald was interested in at some
point -- but no longer is. (Not as much as he is in Daisy, anyway.)
While doing a sequel to "The Odyssey" might be fun, there's a good
chance it would work negatively on the story it's supposed to be an
homage to.
Lars
Lars Jensen
Vacation
Message 255 -
2004-01-28 at 19:04:07
Hi everybody.
A while back I mentioned obscure Duck Tales character Vacation Van Hump.
I've just learned his name is actually Vacation Van Honk.
Just in case anybody is even remotely interested...
Lars
A while back I mentioned obscure Duck Tales character Vacation Van Hump.
I've just learned his name is actually Vacation Van Honk.
Just in case anybody is even remotely interested...
Lars