Lars Jensen Wrote:
>
> Don Rosa wrote:
>
> > If Fethry's last name is Duck and he's Donald's cousin,
> > there's no place else he could be than the son of a son of Grandma.
> > And the same goes for Whitewater.
>
> Except for your Duck Family Tree, Whitewater has only ever appeared in
> *one* place: The story "Log Jockey" (WDC 267). Let me quote from the
> beginning of that tale, where Donald and HDL are entering a forest:
>
> > Text: "In a dither of curiosity about his kinfolks, Donald is driving
> > hither and thither tracing the limbs of the Duck family tree!"
> >
> > Donald: "I read in our album that we have a distant cousin named
> > Whitewater Duck living in this forest!"
> >
> > Nephew: "Let him stay distant, Unca Donald! We don't like the idea of
> > tracking down relatives you've never met!"
>
> So Whitewater is not an actual cousin of Donald's -- only a distant
> relative. Which, of course, means that there's no reason why he would be
> the brother of Fethry. Other than their common last name, that is.
Most distant relatives are cousins of some type: third
cousins, fifth cousins, tenth cousins once removed. Barks
says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks
doesn't say he is a first cousin, he could be a tenth cousin
once removed for all we know.
But for the Family Tree, if Whitewater isn't a first cousin,
then Rosa has to make up more relatives. If Whitewater is
a second cousin, then Rosa has to make up a father, brother
and nephew for Humperdink Duck (and wives for all those people
too). If Whitewater is even more distant, even more relatives
must be invented.
So. to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make
Whitewater a first cousin
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Topic: 200401
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Shad Z.
Whitewater and Fethry
Message 316 -
2004-01-30 at 19:39:04
Rich Bellacera
Gemstone Name-of-City "rules"
Message 317 -
2004-01-30 at 19:46:08
sdebeer said:
>I know this has been discussed ad nuaseum before so I don't
>want stir a hornet's nest but didn't Gotfredson once indicate
>that Mickey lived in 'Hometown'?
I dunno if it's been discussed 'ad nauseum' :-), but I think
I recall something about the name "Hometown", too. Evenso,
Gottfredson also used "Mouseville" (as was mention by a letter-
writer in the recent issue of MM&F) in the classic "MM outwits
the [Phantom] Blot" ( http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+039 )
Which I concur as it is written on the Telegram Mickey recieves.
Mouseville & Mouseton are very similar, but I prefer Mouseton.
>Mouseton is such an obvious fabrication.
The same could be said of "Duckburg." Thankfully, though, Duckburg
has been given much more historical credance by those creators
(esp. Barks & Rosa) who explained the name of the Town in story.
"Mouseton" was explained in one MM issue during Disney's run at
publishing the title, which should lend some value to it's continuance
as well. I think it was around the time of this issue:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/KJM+004
I can't recall where, but I seem to remember the name "Mickeyville"
used somewhere also. That, IMHO, is far more contrived
>The old UK Mickey Mouse annuals of the 1960s placed Mickey & the
>gang in Disneyville.
The main problem with this name is that it, again, puts both Mickey
and Donald in the "same" town, which is about the main thing that
GEMSTONE and Disney state is NOT the case, at least as far as the
USA is concerned. "Disneyville" is no better of a name than "Toon
Town," except that it allows for the absence of Roger & Jessica
Rabbit.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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>I know this has been discussed ad nuaseum before so I don't
>want stir a hornet's nest but didn't Gotfredson once indicate
>that Mickey lived in 'Hometown'?
I dunno if it's been discussed 'ad nauseum' :-), but I think
I recall something about the name "Hometown", too. Evenso,
Gottfredson also used "Mouseville" (as was mention by a letter-
writer in the recent issue of MM&F) in the classic "MM outwits
the [Phantom] Blot" ( http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/YM+039 )
Which I concur as it is written on the Telegram Mickey recieves.
Mouseville & Mouseton are very similar, but I prefer Mouseton.
>Mouseton is such an obvious fabrication.
The same could be said of "Duckburg." Thankfully, though, Duckburg
has been given much more historical credance by those creators
(esp. Barks & Rosa) who explained the name of the Town in story.
"Mouseton" was explained in one MM issue during Disney's run at
publishing the title, which should lend some value to it's continuance
as well. I think it was around the time of this issue:
http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/KJM+004
I can't recall where, but I seem to remember the name "Mickeyville"
used somewhere also. That, IMHO, is far more contrived
>The old UK Mickey Mouse annuals of the 1960s placed Mickey & the
>gang in Disneyville.
The main problem with this name is that it, again, puts both Mickey
and Donald in the "same" town, which is about the main thing that
GEMSTONE and Disney state is NOT the case, at least as far as the
USA is concerned. "Disneyville" is no better of a name than "Toon
Town," except that it allows for the absence of Roger & Jessica
Rabbit.
Thanks,
Rich Bellacera
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Olaf Solstrand
Whitewater and Fethry
Message 318 -
2004-01-30 at 19:52:07
P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:39:04 -0700, skrev Shad Z. <shadz at email.com>:
> But for the Family Tree, if Whitewater isn't a first cousin, then Rosa
> has to make up more relatives. If Whitewater is a second cousin, then
> Rosa has to make up a father, brother and nephew for Humperdink Duck (and
> wives for all those people too). If Whitewater is even more distant,
> even more relatives must be invented.
>
> So. to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> first cousin
...or, it would be much easier to just leave him out. :-)
> But for the Family Tree, if Whitewater isn't a first cousin, then Rosa
> has to make up more relatives. If Whitewater is a second cousin, then
> Rosa has to make up a father, brother and nephew for Humperdink Duck (and
> wives for all those people too). If Whitewater is even more distant,
> even more relatives must be invented.
>
> So. to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> first cousin
...or, it would be much easier to just leave him out. :-)
Tristan B Breijer
Donald's Height
Message 319 -
2004-01-30 at 20:32:17
Sure, there are many pictures of Donald and Mickey with real people, for
example there is a picture of
Walt Disney with Mickey and mickey is about half his size about the height
of his waist , so I guess
donald and other characters (except goofy) would be the same height (1m)
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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:38 PM
Subject: Donald's Height
>
> Not sure if this has been discussed before but how tall are Donald &
Mickey (& fgor that matter Goofy)? Has the Disney Co. ever indicated their
heights?
>
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example there is a picture of
Walt Disney with Mickey and mickey is about half his size about the height
of his waist , so I guess
donald and other characters (except goofy) would be the same height (1m)
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Subject: Donald's Height
>
> Not sure if this has been discussed before but how tall are Donald &
Mickey (& fgor that matter Goofy)? Has the Disney Co. ever indicated their
heights?
>
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Anders Christian Sivebæk
Matilda is not Don's creation
Message 320 -
2004-01-30 at 21:50:38
Hi all
>
Lars to Don
>
>If we take a look at your own creation, Scrooge's sister Matilda McDuck,
>it looks to me like you have taken the "Donald/Scrooge design" (except
>for the eyes) and based the look of Matilda on this. Why did you do
>this, rather than have her be a "dogface" or a humanized pig? I'm
>guessing it's because you (consciously or subconsciously) wanted Matilda
>to look like she could be Scrooge's sister.
Others will probably point this out, but just for the record, Matilda is
not Don's creation.
Her looks is, I think, as Barks has never drawn her or used her in a
story, but he has used her
on the two family treees he made (was that in the 50'es he made those - to
keep track of the family-relations?)
>
It's important for me to let you note this, as it surprised myself in 1994
to read quotations of Barks saying
that Donald didn't have no parents (and then in turn that there aren't
parental relations in the town?) - that he
came out of an egg somebody bought at the grocers.
I still wonder why he said this - when I know that he made those two
trees... when he actually adviced Don
on the making of the tree. It makes me wonder a bit when my mind is on
ducks... I know why, though...
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
Lars to Don
>
>If we take a look at your own creation, Scrooge's sister Matilda McDuck,
>it looks to me like you have taken the "Donald/Scrooge design" (except
>for the eyes) and based the look of Matilda on this. Why did you do
>this, rather than have her be a "dogface" or a humanized pig? I'm
>guessing it's because you (consciously or subconsciously) wanted Matilda
>to look like she could be Scrooge's sister.
Others will probably point this out, but just for the record, Matilda is
not Don's creation.
Her looks is, I think, as Barks has never drawn her or used her in a
story, but he has used her
on the two family treees he made (was that in the 50'es he made those - to
keep track of the family-relations?)
>
It's important for me to let you note this, as it surprised myself in 1994
to read quotations of Barks saying
that Donald didn't have no parents (and then in turn that there aren't
parental relations in the town?) - that he
came out of an egg somebody bought at the grocers.
I still wonder why he said this - when I know that he made those two
trees... when he actually adviced Don
on the making of the tree. It makes me wonder a bit when my mind is on
ducks... I know why, though...
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Lars Jensen
Whitewater and Fethry
Message 321 -
2004-01-30 at 23:14:08
I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but here goes...
Shad Z. wrote:
> Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks
> doesn't say he is a first cousin
You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of
Donald and the nephews.
> to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> first cousin
Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the
nephews.
Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
Lars
Shad Z. wrote:
> Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks
> doesn't say he is a first cousin
You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of
Donald and the nephews.
> to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> first cousin
Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the
nephews.
Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
Lars
Lars Jensen
The Riverside Rovers/Gilbert Goof
Message 322 -
2004-01-30 at 23:14:17
Rich Bellacera wrote:
> if, as Lars asserts, since the RIVERSIDE ROVERS tales were originally
> written as taking place in "Duckburg" [...]
I don't "assert" this, Rich. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's true.
Lars
> if, as Lars asserts, since the RIVERSIDE ROVERS tales were originally
> written as taking place in "Duckburg" [...]
I don't "assert" this, Rich. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's true.
Lars
Olaf Solstrand
Whitewater and Fethry
Message 323 -
2004-01-31 at 01:07:46
P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:14:08 +0100, skrev Lars Jensen <lpj at forfatter.dk>:
> Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
> your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
Maybe you do if you're a comicbook character, and it's all a pun. He's a
cousin living far, far away, so he's a distant cousin.
Then again: I haven't read the story.
--
Olaf
> Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
> your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
Maybe you do if you're a comicbook character, and it's all a pun. He's a
cousin living far, far away, so he's a distant cousin.
Then again: I haven't read the story.
--
Olaf
Anthvvuono
Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover
Message 324 -
2004-01-31 at 01:46:23
To Gemstone:
I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a
Rosa cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of a
Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this epic
story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering what I'm
talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html, look under comics,
and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I hope Gemstone considers
this fan's opinion before the particular title comes out months from now.
Sincerely,
Anthony
I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a
Rosa cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of a
Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this epic
story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering what I'm
talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html, look under comics,
and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I hope Gemstone considers
this fan's opinion before the particular title comes out months from now.
Sincerely,
Anthony
Olaf Solstrand
Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover
Message 325 -
2004-01-31 at 01:53:14
P? Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:46:23 EST, skrev <Anthvvuono at aol.com>:
> To Gemstone:
> I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a Rosa
> cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of
> a Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this
> epic story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering
> what I'm talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html,
> look under comics, and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I
> hope Gemstone considers this fan's opinion before the particular title
> comes out months from now.
Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists?
From what I understood, Don Rosa started his strike before making a cover
for that story. At least, when the story was published in Norway, they
didn't use a special made cover, but instead they printed part of the
splash panel in double size.
Why did they do that if a cover existed?
--
Olaf Solstrand
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> To Gemstone:
> I saw a preview of Uncle Scrooge 329 and noticed that there isn't a Rosa
> cover despite the fact that a good European one does exist for "Dream of
> a Lifetime," which is sceduled to appear in that same issue. I think this
> epic story deserves one of Rosa's great covers. If anyone is wondering
> what I'm talking about, go to http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/hub.html,
> look under comics, and select Gemstone to view upcoming Disney stories. I
> hope Gemstone considers this fan's opinion before the particular title
> comes out months from now.
Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists?
From what I understood, Don Rosa started his strike before making a cover
for that story. At least, when the story was published in Norway, they
didn't use a special made cover, but instead they printed part of the
splash panel in double size.
Why did they do that if a cover existed?
--
Olaf Solstrand
Telefon: 957 08 325
E-post: olaf at andebyonline.com
Heimeside: http://www.andebyonline.com/olaf/
Dennis Books
Height of Mickey,Donald,Goofy
Message 326 -
2004-01-31 at 02:03:02
In the Standard Casting Directory ( July 1930 ) for movie stars looking for work, Walt Disney the agent of Mickey Mouse listed Mickeys height as 2 feet three inches with a weight of 13 pounds. According to Don Towsley on 8/4/37 Donald is approximately 85% of Mickey's height and Goofy approximately 170% times that of Mickey.
anything for a duck and sometimes a mouse....Dennis
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Reply: "Dream of a Lifetime" cover does exist
Message 327 -
2004-01-31 at 02:11:31
To all:
Please visit the following link directed to one of my favorite Rosa
sites to view Don's cover for this story. Here is a link to the image courtesy
of the Duck Master website by Kai Saarto.
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/images/kansi_unelmoiden.jpg
Sincerely,
Anthony
Please visit the following link directed to one of my favorite Rosa
sites to view Don's cover for this story. Here is a link to the image courtesy
of the Duck Master website by Kai Saarto.
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/images/kansi_unelmoiden.jpg
Sincerely,
Anthony
Shad Z.
Whitewater and Fethry
Message 328 -
2004-01-31 at 03:20:28
From: Lars Jensen
>
> I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but here goes...
>
> Shad Z. wrote:
>
> > Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks
> > doesn't say he is a first cousin
>
> You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of
> Donald and the nephews.
>
> > to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> > first cousin
>
> Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the
> nephews.
>
> Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
> your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
No, I don't. But if (for some reason) I had never had any
contact with my first cousin untill we were both adults, I
might use the term "distant cousin" (Distant in emotional
connection, not blood).
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>
> I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but here goes...
>
> Shad Z. wrote:
>
> > Barks says Whitewater is Donald's cousin, so he must be. Barks
> > doesn't say he is a first cousin
>
> You're right. Instead, Barks says Whitewater is a distant cousin of
> Donald and the nephews.
>
> > to keep the tree managable, it's much easier to make Whitewater a
> > first cousin
>
> Except, of course, that Whitewater is a distant cousin of Donald and the
> nephews.
>
> Ask yourself this: Do you regularly refer to your own first cousin as
> your and your nephews' "distant cousin"?
No, I don't. But if (for some reason) I had never had any
contact with my first cousin untill we were both adults, I
might use the term "distant cousin" (Distant in emotional
connection, not blood).
--
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Cord Wiljes
Pixar-Disney Partnership to End
Message 329 -
2004-01-31 at 14:54:39
Pixar Animation Studios will dissolve its lengthy partnership with the
Walt Disney Co. after the groundbreaking animators deliver their final
film to Disney in 2005, chief executive Steve Jobs said yesterday.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61685-2004Jan29.html
Cord
Walt Disney Co. after the groundbreaking animators deliver their final
film to Disney in 2005, chief executive Steve Jobs said yesterday.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61685-2004Jan29.html
Cord
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 46
Message 330 -
2004-01-31 at 15:40:25
> From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover
> Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists?
For your future reference:
For years now, at the central Egmont office's request, I have always turned
in a cover (and an accompanying text) with every story I do. It's up to the
individual local publisher to decide if they want to use it. I assume that
sometimes an editor has his own idea about presentation. After all, the
covers and texts are paid for -- any Egmont publisher can use them for free,
and any Disney publisher on earth can use the cover for free (though if they
use my text, they are stealing). But I also see constant evidence that
Egmont has no system for letting their own editors (much less other
publishers) know that such covers or texts exist -- I think the editor has
to miraculously think to request such items, which is unlikely when they
don't know they exist, and it's understandable unlikely for that to happen
since special covers and texts have never been done for each story by any
other authors.
> Subject: Re: Gemstone: "Uncle Scrooge" 329 needs a Rosa cover
> Who-a. You mean such a cover really exists?
For your future reference:
For years now, at the central Egmont office's request, I have always turned
in a cover (and an accompanying text) with every story I do. It's up to the
individual local publisher to decide if they want to use it. I assume that
sometimes an editor has his own idea about presentation. After all, the
covers and texts are paid for -- any Egmont publisher can use them for free,
and any Disney publisher on earth can use the cover for free (though if they
use my text, they are stealing). But I also see constant evidence that
Egmont has no system for letting their own editors (much less other
publishers) know that such covers or texts exist -- I think the editor has
to miraculously think to request such items, which is unlikely when they
don't know they exist, and it's understandable unlikely for that to happen
since special covers and texts have never been done for each story by any
other authors.