OK, I've finally got this one--though it was easy after Daniel gave the
second line. It's from the story where Gladstone makes his debut--not
sure of the official title. The line comes when Donald is about to sign
over his house to Gladstone as a forfeit for refusing to swim in
Frozenbear Lake on Christmas Day.
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Daniel J. Neyer
Last Barks Christmas quote
Message 31 -
2004-01-06 at 21:08:08
Cord Wiljes
AW: Nemo plagiarized?
Message 32 -
2004-01-06 at 21:59:05
Matthew Williams wrote:
> Nemo and Pierrot look similar, but they are both anthropomorphic
computer
> generated clown fish.
The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events,
coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
Or is it not?
Consider this: Someone wins in the lottery. It was highly unlikely that
this individual would win. But he did. So he cheated? Of couse not:
*Some*one of the millions of players *had* to win.
Many people all over the world are having and creating new ideas. It is
unlikely that two people have just the same idea at the same time. and
it happens very seldom. But sometimes it does. As someone wins in the
lottery. Or estimates the number of beans in a bowl correctly. So IMO
arguing with probabilities in this case is not really convincing.
Cord
P.S.: I just noticed that I consider "Pierrot" a far better name for a
clownfish than "Nemo". Pierrot originally was the white-faced
(clown-like) servant in 18th century Com?die Italienne. Nemo on the
other hand means "nobody" (latin nemo = nobody) or implies "Captain
Nemo" from Jules Vernes "20.000 Leagues under the Sea", who was using
his submarine Nautilus to ram and sink war ships.
> Nemo and Pierrot look similar, but they are both anthropomorphic
computer
> generated clown fish.
The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events,
coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
Or is it not?
Consider this: Someone wins in the lottery. It was highly unlikely that
this individual would win. But he did. So he cheated? Of couse not:
*Some*one of the millions of players *had* to win.
Many people all over the world are having and creating new ideas. It is
unlikely that two people have just the same idea at the same time. and
it happens very seldom. But sometimes it does. As someone wins in the
lottery. Or estimates the number of beans in a bowl correctly. So IMO
arguing with probabilities in this case is not really convincing.
Cord
P.S.: I just noticed that I consider "Pierrot" a far better name for a
clownfish than "Nemo". Pierrot originally was the white-faced
(clown-like) servant in 18th century Com?die Italienne. Nemo on the
other hand means "nobody" (latin nemo = nobody) or implies "Captain
Nemo" from Jules Vernes "20.000 Leagues under the Sea", who was using
his submarine Nautilus to ram and sink war ships.
Fabio Blanco
Nemo plagiarized?
Message 33 -
2004-01-06 at 23:57:41
> The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events,
> coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
> two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
> same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
> Or is it not?
You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of Secret
of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie...
;-)
FABIO
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> coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
> two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
> same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
> Or is it not?
You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of Secret
of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie...
;-)
FABIO
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Daniel Van Eijmeren
Barks quote quiz - building cities
Message 34 -
2004-01-07 at 05:15:07
I'll make a list with all the answers of the Barks Christmas Quote Quiz,
as a summary. Meanwhile, I have a new quote for you to gaze at.
"I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!"
Which Barks story?
--- Dani?l
as a summary. Meanwhile, I have a new quote for you to gaze at.
"I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!"
Which Barks story?
--- Dani?l
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
Original Disney comic (strip) art
Message 35 -
2004-01-07 at 10:22:48
Frank wrote:
> Since I have
> started collecting Disney original comic and
> comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck pages,
> strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am
> wondering whether this might be the right forum
> to meet people with the same interest.
>
Here every aspect of Disney Comics is covered so why not the original art!
Myself I've got a 1969 MM Sunday page by Manuel Gonzales, four Paul Murry
pages from 1972 (Message in a Nutshell, Part 1), three Romano Scarpa pages
from an S-coded story (The Suspect Blonde), two Vicar pages from the 80's. +
some more Murry stuff.
Still looking for a nice Gottfredson daily from the 30's or 40's...
/Joakim Gunnarsson.
> Since I have
> started collecting Disney original comic and
> comic strip art (forcus is on Donald Duck pages,
> strips, covers and Mickey Mouse strips) I am
> wondering whether this might be the right forum
> to meet people with the same interest.
>
Here every aspect of Disney Comics is covered so why not the original art!
Myself I've got a 1969 MM Sunday page by Manuel Gonzales, four Paul Murry
pages from 1972 (Message in a Nutshell, Part 1), three Romano Scarpa pages
from an S-coded story (The Suspect Blonde), two Vicar pages from the 80's. +
some more Murry stuff.
Still looking for a nice Gottfredson daily from the 30's or 40's...
/Joakim Gunnarsson.
Timo Ronkainen
Original Disney comic (strip) art
Message 36 -
2004-01-07 at 10:38:20
To anyone who collects comics and/or original art, I could suggest
Heritagecomics' auctions:
http://www.heritagecomics.com/
I don't collect these things myself but the site is worth of visit just for
the scans. Lovely BIG cover scans etc. I don't know how they deal with
foreign buyers or so. Never bought anything. Yet, at least. :-)
Timo
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http://www.heritagecomics.com/
I don't collect these things myself but the site is worth of visit just for
the scans. Lovely BIG cover scans etc. I don't know how they deal with
foreign buyers or so. Never bought anything. Yet, at least. :-)
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
timoro at hotmail.com
timoro at sunpoint.net
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
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Quotes
Message 37 -
2004-01-07 at 15:03:49
Daniël asked:
>"I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!"
>Which Barks story?
On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story?
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>Which Barks story?
On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story?
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Erik Bergwall
Humans in disney comics
Message 38 -
2004-01-07 at 15:56:59
Hi everybody!
I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
What do you think of these kind of stories with humans?
I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done.
Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite
unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has.
I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made
myself understandable!
Erik B
I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
What do you think of these kind of stories with humans?
I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done.
Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite
unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has.
I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made
myself understandable!
Erik B
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Quotes
Message 39 -
2004-01-07 at 15:58:12
CLAUDIO ECKERT to me, 07-01-2004:
>> "I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!"
>> Which Barks story?
> On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story?
Yes, that's the one. 'That's No Fable!' (US 32). Panel 2.6.
Sigh. I thought this quote would keep people busy for several days,
amusing me by suggesting wrong stories. But no. :-)
This email will end with a real difficult quote, I hope.
It's from one of my favourite Barks stories.
--- Dani?l
"This steed is good for about a mile!"
>> "I feel in the mood for BUILDING CITIES, boys!"
>> Which Barks story?
> On a gut level, I'd say it's the "fountain of youth" story?
Yes, that's the one. 'That's No Fable!' (US 32). Panel 2.6.
Sigh. I thought this quote would keep people busy for several days,
amusing me by suggesting wrong stories. But no. :-)
This email will end with a real difficult quote, I hope.
It's from one of my favourite Barks stories.
--- Dani?l
"This steed is good for about a mile!"
Kjell Croné
Comic shops!
Message 40 -
2004-01-07 at 16:22:18
Mads Jensen:
> Does anyone know if there are any comic shops in Gothenburg?
A late answer, not too late I hope.
Here's a short list of comic shops in Gothenburg, Sweden. There are other
shops selling comics, but these are the most important, IMO.
Dolores Serier
http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_10208628
Serieh?rnan (2 shops)
http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_12370717
Serieknodden:
http://www.serieknodden.se/
Regards,
Kjell
> Does anyone know if there are any comic shops in Gothenburg?
A late answer, not too late I hope.
Here's a short list of comic shops in Gothenburg, Sweden. There are other
shops selling comics, but these are the most important, IMO.
Dolores Serier
http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_10208628
Serieh?rnan (2 shops)
http://gulasidorna.eniro.se/query?what=get_info&advert_code=GSID_12370717
Serieknodden:
http://www.serieknodden.se/
Regards,
Kjell
Olivier
Humans in disney comics
Message 41 -
2004-01-07 at 17:20:29
Erik:
>>>> I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
>>>> where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
>>>> like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
>>>> nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
"The Magic Hourglass" (DD FC 291, September 1950; CBL of DDA iC Album 16)--
the Arab raiders of No Issa.
"Dangerous Disguise" (DD FC 308, January 1951; CBL of DDA iC Album 17)--
all the characters.
The latter is followed in the Album by Geoffrey Blum's "The Human Dilemma"
(first published as "Cold War in Chiliburgia" in DDA #2, 1987). i know
there's another article that features a half-page of human character
studies by Barks (who would have liked to do human comics rather than funny
animal ones-- from an artistic point of view).
In this article, Blum refers to native with human ears in "Darkest Africa"
(March of Comics 20) and fully human features in "Voodoo Hoodoo" (DD FC
238), and other instances. A main human-faceed character is the scientist of
"in Ancient Persia"
The human characters in "Dangerous Disguise" are the extreme of this trend
as they are drawn more "realistically", that is to say, with even more
detail, than "Big-Top Bedlam" 's Zippo (and the circus owner).
Zippo fits well in the story, graphically: his mix of
portrait/caricature/cartoon human fits with the fact he is a quick-change
artist-- you can interepret it different ways: a mask / part of the
strange, alien world in which Donald can't find his marks, where the poor
hapless duck is literally manipulated / the star of the show, who clearly
stands out /...
*** "Dangerous Disguise" SPOILERS ***
The "ducks plunged in an alien world" trait is even greater in "Dangerous
Disguisse", where the Ducks are forced to play spies. You can note that the
human characters get more caricatural as the story progresses and the ducks
find a way of turning the table and seizing back the control of a story in
which they were mere pawns to start with; the change starts in the train,
when they escape the beautiful Madame Triple-X. in fact, the master spy
turns out to be, not only a funny-animal, but a dead-ringer for Donald!
*** END SPOILERS ***
More later if I can.
>>> I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done.
>>> Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite
>>> unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has.
>>> I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made
>>> myself understandable!
There's another interesting Blum article, on the Bedlamn story, in CBLoDDAiC
Album 16.
Olivier
>>>> I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
>>>> where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
>>>> like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
>>>> nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
"The Magic Hourglass" (DD FC 291, September 1950; CBL of DDA iC Album 16)--
the Arab raiders of No Issa.
"Dangerous Disguise" (DD FC 308, January 1951; CBL of DDA iC Album 17)--
all the characters.
The latter is followed in the Album by Geoffrey Blum's "The Human Dilemma"
(first published as "Cold War in Chiliburgia" in DDA #2, 1987). i know
there's another article that features a half-page of human character
studies by Barks (who would have liked to do human comics rather than funny
animal ones-- from an artistic point of view).
In this article, Blum refers to native with human ears in "Darkest Africa"
(March of Comics 20) and fully human features in "Voodoo Hoodoo" (DD FC
238), and other instances. A main human-faceed character is the scientist of
"in Ancient Persia"
The human characters in "Dangerous Disguise" are the extreme of this trend
as they are drawn more "realistically", that is to say, with even more
detail, than "Big-Top Bedlam" 's Zippo (and the circus owner).
Zippo fits well in the story, graphically: his mix of
portrait/caricature/cartoon human fits with the fact he is a quick-change
artist-- you can interepret it different ways: a mask / part of the
strange, alien world in which Donald can't find his marks, where the poor
hapless duck is literally manipulated / the star of the show, who clearly
stands out /...
*** "Dangerous Disguise" SPOILERS ***
The "ducks plunged in an alien world" trait is even greater in "Dangerous
Disguisse", where the Ducks are forced to play spies. You can note that the
human characters get more caricatural as the story progresses and the ducks
find a way of turning the table and seizing back the control of a story in
which they were mere pawns to start with; the change starts in the train,
when they escape the beautiful Madame Triple-X. in fact, the master spy
turns out to be, not only a funny-animal, but a dead-ringer for Donald!
*** END SPOILERS ***
More later if I can.
>>> I think "Big-top Bedlam" is one of the best stories Barks have done.
>>> Not because of the humans, but because of the manuscript. It is a quite
>>> unusual story, although it has everything that a usual Barks-story has.
>>> I can't really explain what I think, but at least I hope I have made
>>> myself understandable!
There's another interesting Blum article, on the Bedlamn story, in CBLoDDAiC
Album 16.
Olivier
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Humans in disney comics
Message 42 -
2004-01-07 at 17:32:29
Hi Erik and everybody!
Erik Bergwall wrote:
> I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
> where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
> like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
> nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
Quite funny; these minutes I was actually reading an article by Steffen
Kronborg in Danish "Guldbog" #8 (a Swedish translation is printed in
Swedish "Guldbok" #8) about that exact subject. The article talks about
W OS 328-02 "In Old California" and says (translated from Danish by me,
so inaccuracies may occur):
"The development towards a greater level of realism in his drawings put
Barks in a dilemma: was he to continue working towards an even more
detailled line or was he to put more clarity into his drawings? As this
book's other stories show, Barks chose to go for a bit simpler drawing
style with fewer distracting details. The Disney Company's negative
response to the very human facial features that Barks gave his minor
characters during this period has undoubtfully been playing a role in
this decision. Actually, several times Barks had formed his minor
characters as real humans and was going to do so in 'In Old California'.
But here, the employers forbid him that, and this prohibit is the cause
of the curious contrast between the otherwise very human-like minor
characters and their small, black dog noses."
Another story with dog faces that pop into my mind is W OS 308-02
"Dangerous Disguise".
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Erik Bergwall wrote:
> I recently read "Big-top Bedlam" (DDFC #300) by Barks. This is a comic
> where almost everyone of the bi-characters are human. How many stories
> like these did Barks do? I haven't seen another story like this one,
> nor by Barks or anybody else (at least I don't recall I have).
Quite funny; these minutes I was actually reading an article by Steffen
Kronborg in Danish "Guldbog" #8 (a Swedish translation is printed in
Swedish "Guldbok" #8) about that exact subject. The article talks about
W OS 328-02 "In Old California" and says (translated from Danish by me,
so inaccuracies may occur):
"The development towards a greater level of realism in his drawings put
Barks in a dilemma: was he to continue working towards an even more
detailled line or was he to put more clarity into his drawings? As this
book's other stories show, Barks chose to go for a bit simpler drawing
style with fewer distracting details. The Disney Company's negative
response to the very human facial features that Barks gave his minor
characters during this period has undoubtfully been playing a role in
this decision. Actually, several times Barks had formed his minor
characters as real humans and was going to do so in 'In Old California'.
But here, the employers forbid him that, and this prohibit is the cause
of the curious contrast between the otherwise very human-like minor
characters and their small, black dog noses."
Another story with dog faces that pop into my mind is W OS 308-02
"Dangerous Disguise".
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Daniel J. Neyer
"I feel like building cities"
Message 43 -
2004-01-07 at 19:11:18
This quote is from THAT'S NO FABLE (US 32), the Fountain of Youth story.
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Disney 'remakes'
Message 44 -
2004-01-07 at 21:52:19
>From: "Fabio Blanco" <longtom at oeste.com.ar>
>
> > The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events,
> > coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
> > two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
> > same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
> > Or is it not?
>
>You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of
>Secret
>of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie...
>;-)
>
It certainly seems that Disney gets ideas, and more than just that, from
older non-Disney productions. You'd really think they had enough people
there to figure out their own ones...
Here's a link about the Lion King - Kimba thing (which you've probably seen
already).
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
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>
> > The interesting thing with coincidences is: Given enough events,
> > coincidences are bound to happen! In fact it is very, very unlikely that
> > two such similar plots should appear independently at just about the
> > same time. So there must be a reason - the obvious one being plagiarism.
> > Or is it not?
>
>You mean The King Lion is not a copy of Kimba? Nor Atlantis a copy of
>Secret
>of Blue Water? oops, maybe I owe Disney an apologie...
>;-)
>
It certainly seems that Disney gets ideas, and more than just that, from
older non-Disney productions. You'd really think they had enough people
there to figure out their own ones...
Here's a link about the Lion King - Kimba thing (which you've probably seen
already).
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
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Disney 'remakes'
Message 45 -
2004-01-07 at 22:41:15
> Here's a link about the Lion King - Kimba thing (which you've probably
seen
> already).
> http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
No, I did just now. Is a very clear article, thanks...
Is crazy they can steal that way...
FABIO
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seen
> already).
> http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
No, I did just now. Is a very clear article, thanks...
Is crazy they can steal that way...
FABIO
bonvolu postu al longtom at oeste.com.ar