Hi,
After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the 4th
one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue there,
bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
less based on comics.
Here is the screen:
http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.
Mateusz Lis
Author
Topic: 200402
(299 messages)
Mateusz Lis
Another Barks' fact mentioned in DuckTales
Message 121 -
2004-02-12 at 11:40:10
H.W.Fluks
Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message 122 -
2004-02-12 at 14:00:48
Ole to ACS:
> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>
> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".
Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original, Coot would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too unlikely.
(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th century.)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"
> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>
> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".
Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original, Coot would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too unlikely.
(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th century.)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks -- TNO Telecom -- Delft -- Nederland
h.w.fluks at telecom.tno.nl -- http://dd50.inducks.org
"Wie ben ik? Wat doe ik hier? Waar is mijn Roddelflop?"
Acsive
What's going on with Disney? Crisis?
Message 123 -
2004-02-12 at 23:44:55
Hi all
During the last time worrying news have been heard about a big concern, namely
Disney Co. First thing is that Roy Disney (Walt's nephew) went from the board
of the company - he now has the webpage www.savedisney.com where he and many
others advice that Michael Eisner (Is he be any chance a relative of the other
Eisner in our genre, Will Eisner??) should be removed.
Mr. Disney says that Eisner has forgotten the goals they set in the early 80'es
when they started to make the company what it has been in the 90'es with great
movies such as "Lion King" and "Beauty and the Beast". - It seems the company
is now more concentrated on making money - something that Disney originally
said was not to be the goal - achievement and quality was the marks of Disney
when Walt started it.
Apart from this I first heard that Pixar has left the cooperation with the
company, as they can easily find a better partner. AND: Then I hear that the
department that does the animation movies is to be closed?! The production of a
movie called "A few friendly ghosts" has been stopped - and thus making many
people unemployed... This makes me very sad as I grew up with the great movies
as mentioned before. Thanks to a subscriber's offer I got to see the new "Bear
Brothers" before the premiere in Denmark - it's great IMO.
Furthermore I read yesterday that Comcast Corp., USAs biggest cable TV company
has offered to buy the whole concern for 66 billion dollars.
I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the tree,
so to speak. Will the license-holders, such as Egmont, Gemstone and the
publishers in Italy, France and Netherland/Finland suffer from this? Will
another company know what they have in their hands here, even though the comics
might be an ever so small part of the whole business? I'm just worrying, and I
wonder if some of you people here, who are involved in the publishing or
creating of comics could comment on this - tell us what you think?
Yours AC
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/okonomi/article.jhtml?articleID=728628
During the last time worrying news have been heard about a big concern, namely
Disney Co. First thing is that Roy Disney (Walt's nephew) went from the board
of the company - he now has the webpage www.savedisney.com where he and many
others advice that Michael Eisner (Is he be any chance a relative of the other
Eisner in our genre, Will Eisner??) should be removed.
Mr. Disney says that Eisner has forgotten the goals they set in the early 80'es
when they started to make the company what it has been in the 90'es with great
movies such as "Lion King" and "Beauty and the Beast". - It seems the company
is now more concentrated on making money - something that Disney originally
said was not to be the goal - achievement and quality was the marks of Disney
when Walt started it.
Apart from this I first heard that Pixar has left the cooperation with the
company, as they can easily find a better partner. AND: Then I hear that the
department that does the animation movies is to be closed?! The production of a
movie called "A few friendly ghosts" has been stopped - and thus making many
people unemployed... This makes me very sad as I grew up with the great movies
as mentioned before. Thanks to a subscriber's offer I got to see the new "Bear
Brothers" before the premiere in Denmark - it's great IMO.
Furthermore I read yesterday that Comcast Corp., USAs biggest cable TV company
has offered to buy the whole concern for 66 billion dollars.
I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the tree,
so to speak. Will the license-holders, such as Egmont, Gemstone and the
publishers in Italy, France and Netherland/Finland suffer from this? Will
another company know what they have in their hands here, even though the comics
might be an ever so small part of the whole business? I'm just worrying, and I
wonder if some of you people here, who are involved in the publishing or
creating of comics could comment on this - tell us what you think?
Yours AC
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/okonomi/article.jhtml?articleID=728628
Kimba1962
DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message 124 -
2004-02-13 at 12:46:40
Mateusz wrote,
> After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the 4th
> one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue there,
> bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> less based on comics.
>
> Here is the screen:
> http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
>
> I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.
I don't believe it was. The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" thrown by Bubba! (Hope I am remembering this correctly!)
Chris Barat
> After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the 4th
> one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue there,
> bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> less based on comics.
>
> Here is the screen:
> http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
>
> I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.
I don't believe it was. The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" thrown by Bubba! (Hope I am remembering this correctly!)
Chris Barat
Eta Beta
Out on a limb ?
Message 125 -
2004-02-13 at 13:26:28
AC says
>I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the
tree,
>so to speak.
BTW, does anyone know, roughly, how much of Disney's total revenues
come from licensing comics production ?
I suspect it might turn out we should call ourselves a twig rather
than a full-grown branch...
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>I wonder if, and how much all this is going to effect our branch of the
tree,
>so to speak.
BTW, does anyone know, roughly, how much of Disney's total revenues
come from licensing comics production ?
I suspect it might turn out we should call ourselves a twig rather
than a full-grown branch...
Cheers!
Eta Beta
KUR
DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message 126 -
2004-02-13 at 13:40:00
> > After a long time I rewatched DuckTales' episode "Duck on the Lam", the
4th
> > one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue
there,
> > bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> > less based on comics.
> >
> > Here is the screen:
> > http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
> >
> > I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.
Good job Mateusz :-)
Dis must be some sort of Cornelius Coot animeted debiut.
Look, Insted of corn's he is holding... well... The Horn of (how do you cold
dis thing in English?). Dis is dis object from Greack metology theat was
made by Zus and given to Demeter. It's giving good stuff and fortune to enny
one whou was holding it (and now propebly it is taken by Gladstone Gander
:-)).
Ow well, Duck Tales creator's propebly was thinking theat Cornelius would
look much better with dis thing's.
Yours
Maciek
4th
> > one introducing Bubba. I was suprised to see Cornelius Coot statue
there,
> > bacause, as it was earlier mentioned on the list, the second series was
> > less based on comics.
> >
> > Here is the screen:
> > http://disneymania.w.interia.pl/ccoot.jpg
> >
> > I'm wondering if the statue was earlier shown in the show.
Good job Mateusz :-)
Dis must be some sort of Cornelius Coot animeted debiut.
Look, Insted of corn's he is holding... well... The Horn of (how do you cold
dis thing in English?). Dis is dis object from Greack metology theat was
made by Zus and given to Demeter. It's giving good stuff and fortune to enny
one whou was holding it (and now propebly it is taken by Gladstone Gander
:-)).
Ow well, Duck Tales creator's propebly was thinking theat Cornelius would
look much better with dis thing's.
Yours
Maciek
Matthew Williams
DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message 127 -
2004-02-13 at 15:31:59
Chris Barat wrote:
>The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the
statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" >thrown by Bubba! (Hope I
am remembering this correctly!)
Don't you love the irony here (I'm being sarcastic :) )?
To Maciek, Coot is holding what I have always heard called the horn of
plenty. It shows up as a dinner table centerpiece at Thanksgiving so often
here, I wonder how many Americans figure that Miles Standish and Squanto
"invented" it for the first American Thanksgiving.
Matt
>The irony is that in the very next split second after this screen grab, the
statue was split in half by an oversized "discus" >thrown by Bubba! (Hope I
am remembering this correctly!)
Don't you love the irony here (I'm being sarcastic :) )?
To Maciek, Coot is holding what I have always heard called the horn of
plenty. It shows up as a dinner table centerpiece at Thanksgiving so often
here, I wonder how many Americans figure that Miles Standish and Squanto
"invented" it for the first American Thanksgiving.
Matt
Ole R Nielsen
Question about years in italian story about Cornelius Coot
Message 128 -
2004-02-13 at 18:26:05
Harry Fluks writes:
>> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
>> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>>
>> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
>> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
>> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".
>
>Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original,
Coot
>would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too
unlikely.
>(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th
century.)
With a name like "Coot" (as in "grumpy old coot") I find it more than likely
that
Cornelius lived well beyond average expecteed lifespan of the times.
I too considered that explanation, along with the more common one, being
that
translators are very often wrong when translating numbers - possibly they
are
better at remembering a semantically meaningful sentence than a string of
numbers.
Unless the translator has a better reason than an opinion of what seems
likely,
improvements like this should be avoided - even with lesser Italian writers.
-- Ole
>> > The danish version claims Cornelius Coot lived from 1672 to 1748.
>> > http://coa.inducks.org/coa/c1/story.php/0/I+TL+1764-B//_
>>
>> an error has happened in the translation. The statue
>> in the splash panel of the story in the Italian version is inscribed
>> with the words "Cornelius Coot 1673-1784".
>
>Maybe it's more an "improvement" than an error? In the Italian original,
Coot
>would have been 111 years old when he died. Maybe the Danish found that too
unlikely.
>(I know, it *is* possible. It's just unlikely, especially in the 17th/18th
century.)
With a name like "Coot" (as in "grumpy old coot") I find it more than likely
that
Cornelius lived well beyond average expecteed lifespan of the times.
I too considered that explanation, along with the more common one, being
that
translators are very often wrong when translating numbers - possibly they
are
better at remembering a semantically meaningful sentence than a string of
numbers.
Unless the translator has a better reason than an opinion of what seems
likely,
improvements like this should be avoided - even with lesser Italian writers.
-- Ole
Anders Christian Sivebæk
US 326
Message 129 -
2004-02-13 at 22:57:41
Hi all
I'm enjoying having my subscription to the Gemstone-comics. I just got the
issue mentioned in the subject today. I've browsed through it and noticed
that they publish a story by marco Rota where the lines are all too loose
in it for my taste - I hope others will like the story's drawing. If I
remember right the story is fine in itself.
What i want to comment on is the story "An entanting Encounter" -. written
by Gorm Transgaard and art by Esteban.
The code i D 99221 for those who want to check in their own national comic
if it's US.
The story starts with Donald and scrooge working in the store room in the
bin. They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here? more
or less a full storyline? well, i guess the story is fine, if you haven't
read "The scrhrinking Tightwad" by my favorite active cartoonist, but if
you have... the only word I can think of is plagiat - i hope this word is
known in english.
I do hope Gorm, a danish writer who makes fine stories, did not read the
story i mention - if so it's a bit to much of copying... He shouldn't have
to do that.
That is my opinion.
Gemstone-friends here: keep up the fine work!!
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
I'm enjoying having my subscription to the Gemstone-comics. I just got the
issue mentioned in the subject today. I've browsed through it and noticed
that they publish a story by marco Rota where the lines are all too loose
in it for my taste - I hope others will like the story's drawing. If I
remember right the story is fine in itself.
What i want to comment on is the story "An entanting Encounter" -. written
by Gorm Transgaard and art by Esteban.
The code i D 99221 for those who want to check in their own national comic
if it's US.
The story starts with Donald and scrooge working in the store room in the
bin. They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here? more
or less a full storyline? well, i guess the story is fine, if you haven't
read "The scrhrinking Tightwad" by my favorite active cartoonist, but if
you have... the only word I can think of is plagiat - i hope this word is
known in english.
I do hope Gorm, a danish writer who makes fine stories, did not read the
story i mention - if so it's a bit to much of copying... He shouldn't have
to do that.
That is my opinion.
Gemstone-friends here: keep up the fine work!!
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Rob Klein
Disney Feature Animation Florida Studio Closing
Message 130 -
2004-02-14 at 05:48:49
Disney Feature Animation did NOT make plans to shut down. They DID make plans
to shut down their Florida studio, which, along with the "original" sudio in
Burbank and (now Glendale), California, produced the traditional hand-drawn
animation. I believe that thier California studio was quite a bit larger than
their Florida studio. In addition, I suspect that many of the more
accomplished artists from the Florida studio will be given jobs in the
California studio. I would guess that Disney Feature Animation will have less
staff and capability to produce animated features, but I would guess that they
will be losing, at most, one-third or less of their production capability for
making animated feature films. Don't forget that Disney TV Animation also has a
large staff that work on sequals to animated features. I wouldn't expect to
see much difference in the quality of their films, -only a few less films per
five year period.
Rob
Klein
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to shut down their Florida studio, which, along with the "original" sudio in
Burbank and (now Glendale), California, produced the traditional hand-drawn
animation. I believe that thier California studio was quite a bit larger than
their Florida studio. In addition, I suspect that many of the more
accomplished artists from the Florida studio will be given jobs in the
California studio. I would guess that Disney Feature Animation will have less
staff and capability to produce animated features, but I would guess that they
will be losing, at most, one-third or less of their production capability for
making animated feature films. Don't forget that Disney TV Animation also has a
large staff that work on sequals to animated features. I wouldn't expect to
see much difference in the quality of their films, -only a few less films per
five year period.
Rob
Klein
---------------------------------------------
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http://www.lafn.org/
KUR
DCML Digest, Vol 12, Issue 18 (Coot statue on "DuckTales")
Message 131 -
2004-02-14 at 13:17:00
> To Maciek, Coot is holding what I have always heard called the horn of
> plenty.
Ow rith theat's the name.
Thank's
Yours
Maciek
> plenty.
Ow rith theat's the name.
Thank's
Yours
Maciek
Tom Peaco
Is this a comic book or a subscription folder ?
Message 132 -
2004-02-14 at 13:54:30
Ola Martinsson wrote:
> > From the descriptions of the other mailers
> > I can tell that the mailers for 1942, 1949, 1950 & 1953 had different
covers
> > from that shown in Gerber.
> >
> Can you tell me what covers that are reprinted on those four mailers ?
1942 - WDC&S 25
1949 - "A rare Barks item: Same WDC&S cover as 1942 mailer, but with art
changed so that nephew is handing teacher Donald a comic book rather than an
apple as originally drawn by Kelly. The tiny, 7/8"x1-1/4" cover shown was a
rejected cover by Barks that was intended for C&S 110, but was redrawn by
Kelly for C&S 111. The original art has been lost and this is its only app.
(Rare)"
1950 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); p.2 r/Kelly cover to
C&S 101 (w/o title), but with the art altered to show Donald reading C&S 122
(by Kelly); hardcover book, "Donald Duck in Bringing Up the Boys" given iwth
a $1.00 one-year subscription; P.4 r/Kelly Xmas cover to C&S 99 (Rare)"
1953 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); insides offer "Donald
Duck Full Speed Ahead", a 28 pgae, color 5-5/8"x6-5/8" book, not of the
Story Hours series; P.4 r/full Barks C&S 148 cover (Rare)"
> Ola in a beautiful sunny Stockholm with snow glistening on the trees -6
Tom in chilly Maine 22F (-5C)
> > From the descriptions of the other mailers
> > I can tell that the mailers for 1942, 1949, 1950 & 1953 had different
covers
> > from that shown in Gerber.
> >
> Can you tell me what covers that are reprinted on those four mailers ?
1942 - WDC&S 25
1949 - "A rare Barks item: Same WDC&S cover as 1942 mailer, but with art
changed so that nephew is handing teacher Donald a comic book rather than an
apple as originally drawn by Kelly. The tiny, 7/8"x1-1/4" cover shown was a
rejected cover by Barks that was intended for C&S 110, but was redrawn by
Kelly for C&S 111. The original art has been lost and this is its only app.
(Rare)"
1950 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); p.2 r/Kelly cover to
C&S 101 (w/o title), but with the art altered to show Donald reading C&S 122
(by Kelly); hardcover book, "Donald Duck in Bringing Up the Boys" given iwth
a $1.00 one-year subscription; P.4 r/Kelly Xmas cover to C&S 99 (Rare)"
1953 - "P.1 r/cover to Dell Xmas Parade 4 (w/o title); insides offer "Donald
Duck Full Speed Ahead", a 28 pgae, color 5-5/8"x6-5/8" book, not of the
Story Hours series; P.4 r/full Barks C&S 148 cover (Rare)"
> Ola in a beautiful sunny Stockholm with snow glistening on the trees -6
Tom in chilly Maine 22F (-5C)
Gary Leach
Shrunk ducks
Message 133 -
2004-02-14 at 17:06:35
Anders:
> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?
Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."
Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea
through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches
around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been
shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.
Gary
> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?
Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."
Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea
through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches
around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been
shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.
Gary
Anders Christian Sivebæk
Picsou mag
Message 134 -
2004-02-15 at 01:57:45
Hi all
I'd like to go down on my crying knees (?) and pleed our french friends
(fresh friends as a greek restaurant -owner once pronounced it, if I'm not
mistaken) to **Scan the Rosa-pin-up in the new Picsou** - Just for use of
reference and enjoying the drawing. also for finding the duck-dedication -
I've searched on the pages I know who have cover/illustration-scans and
they don't have newer scans than the one which was in 349.
Please? Olivier? Gilles?
(BTW i'm sure I'd have swap-material for it if anyone is interested...)
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
I'd like to go down on my crying knees (?) and pleed our french friends
(fresh friends as a greek restaurant -owner once pronounced it, if I'm not
mistaken) to **Scan the Rosa-pin-up in the new Picsou** - Just for use of
reference and enjoying the drawing. also for finding the duck-dedication -
I've searched on the pages I know who have cover/illustration-scans and
they don't have newer scans than the one which was in 349.
Please? Olivier? Gilles?
(BTW i'm sure I'd have swap-material for it if anyone is interested...)
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
Anders Christian Sivebæk
Plots
Message 135 -
2004-02-15 at 14:19:44
Hi all
>
Me:
>> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
>> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?
>
Gary
>Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."
>
>Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea
>through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches
>around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been
>shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.
Okay, i was too fast there - and I remember the incredible schrinking man
too... -
Anyway, when in the opinion of you people here, is a plot to close to
another.
Take for instance some stories (drawn!) by Vicar - they rephrase
Barks-stories.
Rosa has done a few too - but are they to likely to the Barks-stories
where they have the plot?
Some readers think so. - others like it when Rosa takes up an old thread.
When I first read certain Murry-stories, i thought: what is he trying to
do here - copy Gottfredson?
The case is, he was payed to do so, because the Gottfredson-stories didn't
fit the format. - It was
easier to have them redrawn.
Redrawn stories is an issue too. - It's done for different reasons, but
what do you think of
redrawings by Murry, Jippes and Rosa?
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist
>
Me:
>> They are hit by some ray and become so small that they a scared by
>> the spiders in the office. Erm - do somebody recognize a plot here?
>
Gary
>Yes, from Carl Barks' "Billions in the Hole."
>
>Barks was hardly the only comics creator to run that basic plot idea
>through it's paces. It's one of the hoariest fallback plot cliches
>around - you weren't a proper Silver Age DC character unless you'd been
>shrunk and forced to battle "giant" insects at least once.
Okay, i was too fast there - and I remember the incredible schrinking man
too... -
Anyway, when in the opinion of you people here, is a plot to close to
another.
Take for instance some stories (drawn!) by Vicar - they rephrase
Barks-stories.
Rosa has done a few too - but are they to likely to the Barks-stories
where they have the plot?
Some readers think so. - others like it when Rosa takes up an old thread.
When I first read certain Murry-stories, i thought: what is he trying to
do here - copy Gottfredson?
The case is, he was payed to do so, because the Gottfredson-stories didn't
fit the format. - It was
easier to have them redrawn.
Redrawn stories is an issue too. - It's done for different reasons, but
what do you think of
redrawings by Murry, Jippes and Rosa?
>
Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist