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Fernando Ventura
Rich:

"I can't remember where I read this, but recently I saw a quote from
someone, possibly from Brazil, stating that Brazilian Disney comics actually
created the concept of DISNEY BABIES and not the French. What is the
story?"

YES! They were created by Moacir Rodrigues, a incredible good brazilian
drawer! If you were impressed by the firsts Margarida's (Daisy) comic books
covers, it's because they were drew and inked by him. I'm not sure if Moacir
created the whole Disney Babies concept, since I was told one time that this
came from Daniel Diesendruck (son of Elcan Diesendruck, REDIBRA president).

Indeed Moacir sold the project DIRECTLY to Disney-Brazil (during that time
represented by REDIBRA) and the model-sheets went to France, where they were
developed by Marin and his writers who came out with this brilliant comic
book work (I presume some french friends can add more info on this)!

But this decision surelly were not received well by the directors of Editora
Abril (especially Mr. Igayara). During the 80's we're FULL of creativity and
new projects in development, and it was never clear why Disney didin't
confide on Abril to develop the characters on comics! : (

Fernando!
(back to work!)
Olaf Solstrand
Wow! I have to say this is a wonderful idea!

I don't feel worthy of attending it myself (plus it sounds a little too
expensive for me), but I have a question:

Does anyone have photos of this valley? Sounds beautiful!

I found one already...
http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1028360628.jpg

I hope someone that attends to this trip gives us a full report of it
afterwards!

Nils Lid Hjort wrote:

> March 27, 2004: Barks' 103th birthday. How to spend it?
> How to mark the occasion?
>
> Well: you might consider going to Tralla La, or a decent copy
> thereof.
>
> Such a tour is in fact being organised, by Norwegian
> Donaldists Tor ?demark and Torill Hylland. The "Tralla La"
> in question is the valley between Stalheim and Gudvangen,
> on the west coast of Norway. Hylland appears to be the owner
> of Gudvangen Fjordhotel, and she has tried to make her hotel,
> and its vicinity, have resemblances to the famous Tralla La valley.
> (And two of her cooks have been picked from Neuschwanstein
> in southern Germany; there lies the castle that reportedly gave Walt
> Disney the inspiration for the Sleeping Beauty castle of Disneyland.)
>
> The tour is (apparently) open to everyone worthy of the "Donaldist" or
> "Barksist" label. The tour involves:
>
> * Friday 26th: Bus from Oslo to Gudvangen, ultra-scenic ride.
> Various Barksian events at night.
> * Saturday 27th: Excursion costs 10 bottlecaps. Boattrip to the famous &
> scenic Fl?m. More Tralla La events. Dinner with
> speeches and lectures (?).
> * Sunday 28th: Long breakfast, more seminars (?). Then bus to Oslo at
> 13:00.
>
> The total price, for bus Oslo - Gudvangen and back, two nights, dinners
> and lunches and breakfasts, according to the invitation I got in the mail
> today, is NOK 950 (about Euro 120; quite a reasonable price, I'd say, for
> Norway; a similar weekend with ordinary hotel prices would easily cost
> the double).
>
> Tor ?demark has been an active Barksist and comics fan for a number of
> years. He has published articles in various fan-magazines, and once in
> the mid-1980ies (?) he went to Oregon to meet Barks, the whole thing
> covered in the press.
>
> If you are interested, you may contact Mr ?demark at tor at nortur.no ,
> or telephone (+47) 22 80 37 30.
>
> Nils Lid Hjort
>
> PS: I am simply reporting the basic facts of the invitation I received
> today, and have nothing to do with either T? or the arrangement! I do
> assume that it is ok for me to report on this event on the DCML,
> as the organisers ask us to make it "more public", and to mention this
> to persons that they might have "forgotten". While this is geared mostly
> towards the vaguely defined crowd of "Norwegian Barks fans who might have
> known Tor ?demark 10-20-30 years ago", it is clear that
> also people outside this core segment will be welcomed. I notice that
> both Don Rosa and Marco Rota are on the invitees list. -- This list is
> a bit "pre industrial revolution", dating essentially to the pre-email
> and pre-DCML days, I observe; there are arguably "famous present names"
> not on the list, etc.
Madame Jennifer Inantaz
Mickey wrote:
>>Mr. Rosa, have you ever considered to write a story and make it drawn by
someone else?...Think about a story of yours pencilled by Cavazzano...

Me:
Cavazzano? *drools* The possibility is probably nil, but Cavazzano...
o(^.^)O
I want to see Cavazzano stuff! And more Fecchi too, but coupled with a
better story writer!

I know, I just pop up out of no where...
...you never know where the OchaGirl will be...

Enough of me being a goof.

...only the Shadow knows...

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Dyer, Sonia
Scrooge's money bin contains a particular diamond, that is the most
famous one in the United States.
What is the name of the diamond? What story?
Michael Naiman
Does anyone know the highest amount of cash paid for a Barks painting?
Michael
Lars Jensen
Mickey wrote:

>> In "Uncle Scrooge" #13 (1956) Barks has Morty and Ferdie casually
>> walking up to Gyro Gearloose, which implies they live in the same
>> city -- at least in this story.
>
> I know. But the twins could be in Duckburg for a trip.

Sure they could. They clearly know Gyro and Grandma Duck well, though.
In fact, they know Grandma so well they know she has an electric car.
But, of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some
earlier Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.

> The idea of the same city could be attractive, but I think it's
> narratively inconsistant: DD and MM never meet each other since
> Gottfredson :) (I'm talking about barksian&co stories, obviously)....

I'm not sure what you mean by "Barksian & Co". Apart from the above
example, "Hound of the Moaning Hills" (JW #12) and "The Day the Mountain
Shook" (JW #13), I don't recall any Barks-written material using Mouse
characters alongside Duck characters, no. But other writers of the time
had no problem teaming them up. (Just think of Vic Lockman, for
instance.) And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let
these characters meet each other. With good results, too, in my opinion.

Lars
Eta Beta
Olivier, Mitchell,

>"I selected an image of Scrooge McDuck sitting on top of a huge pile of
>money bags, blithely playing his fiddle, with a big grin on his beak."
>
>Cover art, obviously-- I certainly don't remember him plauing the fiddle in
>any story.
>Can anyone identify it?

I'm puzzled and not a little stumped... I searched high and low
in my covers' collection as well as in inducks, with no results.

No Scrooge playing fiddles or violins nowhere... I have him
playing a cash register (US 5), a flute (US 19), a dollar-shaped
big lyre (US 38), a... coinophone (US 119) and a... er...
piggybankophone :-) (US 197).

He's got a big grin in most if not all of those, but never
sits on piles of money bags, so I guess this cannot be a
case of Andy Herzfeld misremembering details... but it's still
a possibility :-)

My guess, however, is that it *might* have come from some
illustrated book, rather than a comic...

Cheers!

Eta Beta
Danshane
KRITON WRITES:

> > Sherlock Holmes is hardly obscure, at least not in English
> speaking lands.
> > He has appeared in more movies than any other fictional character
> > (Tarzan is second), and is very well known as the first
> novelized consulting detective.
>
> I assume that you forgot a smiley or two in the above
> paragraph! While I do not expect anyone to remember my
> mentioning that I am a Holmes fan in an earlier posting this
> summer, I hardly think that there is anyone in the western
> world who is not even marginally aware of who Sherlock Holmes is.
> (Recognizing distorted versions of his name, such as
> "Shamrock Bones", is a different matter, of course.)

AND I REPLY:

I don't use smileys or any other emoticons in my messages. But if I did, I would not have placed any in my last post. Since I missed the significance of the emoticon at the end of your original message about Holmes being an "obscure" character, I suppose others could have done the same. It's still hard getting used to what is common knowledge among this group of international friends. I completely failed to pick up on the sarcasm in your Holmes reference, smiley or no, so you'll have to excuse me for being a bit dull yesterday.

Dan
Mickey
Lars:

>of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some earlier
Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.

I think it's the most probable hypothesis...

>I'm not sure what you mean by "Barksian & Co".

Barks and Rosa, mainly ^_^;; Theorically, Van Horn and other successors of
Barks, too.

>Apart from the above (cut) I don't recall any Barks-written material using
Mouse characters alongside Duck characters, no.

That's the problem: who considers Barks (and Rosa) as the most reliable
source, can't think that the families of DD and MM live in the same city,
since they're supposed to be friends but they never meet... I don't know if
I'm clear T_T

>But other writers of the time had no problem teaming them up.

Sure, even in Italian stories it's quite normal a meeting; but here
"Topolinia" and "Paperopoli" are two distinct locations.
Instead in American ones I see it's not so.

>And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let these
characters meet each other.

For example?
bye

Mickey
Jeanmarcbano
There is a good story, which is a sort of parody, where there is an interaction between Donald, the kids and Mickey Mouse which is called paperopoli liberata, published in 1967 in Topolino 598, drawn by Giovan Battista Carpi; this is true that the very good Gottfredson in his 30's stories tended to mix both the characters of Mickey and Donald in the same places and intrigues (house of the seven ghost and others stories); i can be wrong but i think that might be justified at this period because there wasn't an appropriate city and place for developping Donald's own world; i would like to know whether Gottfredson mixed the two characters one or two decades later with the same regularity due to the creations of the others characters around Donald by Barks and Taliaferro (and also by the italians artists), and the creation of Duckburg by Barks; i guess it was easier to use Donald in Mousetown at the beginning when he used to be isolated from a particular town or family than it has been the case later.
Dennis Books
Highest i have record of is $505,000 in 1997 for MARDI GRAS BEFORE THE THAW. I have not seen a verification of this figure or an update of any later sales records. Anybody else with a quote? Several paintings more to my liking i am sure could be had for much less.

anything for a duck...Dennis

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Rich Bellacera
Thanks Fernando. THat helps clear up most of it.
I wonder what the ORIGINAL conceptual ideas were by Moacir Rodrigues and what
might have changed under Hachette Press's editorial edicts.
http://www.pizarro.net/didier/_private/interviu/marinan.html

Oh, as an aside, the name Daniel Diesendruck sounds very much like the German
version of Gyro Gearloose [Daniel Düsentrieb] ;-)

Rich Bellacera
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Willem Hajenius
Hello fellow Duck fans,

While re-reading my collection of Donald Duck Extra's, I stumbled upon
some very nice easter eggs in certain stories! I was wondering whether
anyone else has noted them?

Issue 11/97, D96089, page 24, frame 2:
in U$'s scrapbook is written 'donrosa at iglou.com' Very nice gag, Don!

Issue 4/98, D96203, page 18, frame 2:
"Man, wat zijn we een geweldig TEAM! We gaan naar kreli-olie zoeken op Altair 4!
Nebuliet zoeken in de kristalbergen op Kenodon! Zoiets heb je nog NOOIT meegemaakt!"

(translation: "Man, are we a great TEAM! We'll search for kreli-oil on Altair 4!
Search for Nebulite in the crystal mountains on Kenodon! You've NEVER seen anything like that!"

For some reason, 'Kenodon' rings a bell! :-) Does Don Rosa's original English text
also use that word, or was it changed by the Dutch translator/publisher?

Issue 10/98, D96116, page 1, frame 6:
around the bits and pieces lying on the floor in Gyro's workshop is a miniature of
a time travel machine I've seen before; don't know which story though.

Issue 13/98, D95081, page 10, frame 7: "...dus ik zeg tegen Willem van Hoorn, de ijsco-
koning, ik zeg, Willem ouwe jongen, DOE MIJ MAAR VANILLE! En bla bla bla..."

(translation: "so I say to Willem van Hoorn, the icecream king, I say, Willem old boy,
FETCH ME A VANILLA! And blah, blah, blah..."

Willem van Hoorn is (obviously) a 'dutchification' of William van Horn, the artist
of that story; and the reason he's an icecream king is that in Dutch, an 'ijshoorn'
is a 'snow-cone'.

Issue 1/99, D96264, page 1, frame 1:
Mickey and Minnie fly around in the airplane from 'Plane Crazy'

Perhaps it would be nice to add these easter eggs to the appropriate INDUCKS-file?

Best wishes,

Alexander Hajenius.
Lars Jensen
Mickey wrote:

>> of course, Morty and Ferdie could have met Gyro and Grandma at some
>> earlier Mouse Family/Duck Family get-together.
>
> I think it's the most probable hypothesis... [...]
>
> the problem: who considers Barks (and Rosa) as the most reliable
> source, can't think that the families of DD and MM live in the same
> city, since they're supposed to be friends but they never meet...

Mickey, you believe Morty and Ferdie must have met Gyro and Grandma at
some get-together, although Barks never showed this in a story. Why
can't you believe Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse live in the same city --
even though Barks never showed this in a story?!

>> And (some of) Barks' successors continue to this day to let these
>> characters meet each other.
>
> For example?

The Danish weekly just ran a subseries written by Per Hedman and Pat &
Carol McGreal. A few years ago Andreas Pihl wrote a Donald/Mickey/Goofy
team-up for the pocket books. Other writers include Dave Rawson and
Byron Erickson. And that's only in Denmark -- I could find (recent and
not-so-recent) examples from Italy, Brazil and the US, too.

Lars
Olaf Solstrand
Lars:

> A few years ago Andreas Pihl wrote a Donald/Mickey/Goofy
> team-up for the pocket books.

Lars, do you remember where this story is? I can't remember it, so I'm
curious of where to find it.
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