Jonathan H. Gray wrote:
> I seem to recall ONE [Paperinik story] being printed in Disney
> Adventures way back when, but I honestly dont remember if it was any
> good...
>
> ...or for that matter if it was even Italian [...]
It was American-produced. I haven't read it, so I'll let somebody else
comment on whether it was good.
Olivier wrote:
> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of costume makes you
> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman
> [...]
> (it's all in the glasses, like Clark)
If people look the same with or without glasses, how come so many have
dropped the latter and begun wearing contact lenses? Obviously, there
*is* a difference.
Maciek wrote:
> This olwey's bother me theat now body never notice Theat SuperGoof and
> Goofy are the one guy evev whail the Only difren't betwen Goofy and
> SuperGoof only difrence is dres. SuperGoof is don't wering a mask and
> face are dissame. Disame gouse for Papiernik. It's just wird theat
> people relly don't see theat they are one.
> And In fackt for some strange resson's wen Donald swich to his alter
> ego he stop's beaing clamsy and Un-lucky.
The original Super Goof is a (very basic) parody of Superman: "What if
we let Goofy play the part of Superman?" Part of the parody is that
nobody realizes Super Goof is Goofy, even though it should be blindingly
obvious.
The original Paperinik is an empowerment fantasy. Imagine Donald
thinking: "Everybody may be laughing at me, think I'm a zero and treat
me like dirt... But if I were a superhero, I'd show them all! They'd
treat me with respect and admire me! And people who treat my Donald
identity badly (Gladstone, Scrooge and so on) would get their
come-uppance!"
As you yourself pointed out, the original Paperinik goes from being a
failure (in his Donald identity) to being a success (as Paperinik). Pure
wish fulfilment! And since the idea of having his secret identity
revealed (on a permanent basis) would spoil part of the empowerment
fantasy, nobody is ever going to realize that Donald the nobody is
"actually" a strong, competent, awe-inspiring winner. Donald can
continue to dream...
Lars
Author
Topic: 200402
(299 messages)
Lars Jensen
Paperinik
Message 286 -
2004-02-29 at 12:51:25
Eta Beta
Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message 287 -
2004-02-29 at 13:19:25
STEVEN, HANS
>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....
I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
above the title in the first sample...
Can't help there, though.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....
I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
above the title in the first sample...
Can't help there, though.
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Eta Beta
Shrinking again and superheroes
Message 288 -
2004-02-29 at 14:10:53
LARS
>> Also, in France there's a comic series devoted to "Les Petits Hommes",
>> a bunch of people whose diminutive size is permanent (freely chosen, I
>> seem to understand), rather than temporary.
>
>Thanks, E. B. I've only ever seen a few pages of this series, and for
>years I've tried to figure out exactly what was the conceptual
>difference between Les Petits Hommes and the Smurfs.
Absolutely nothing to do with each other, apart from size, which is
just about the same :-)
>The idea of people
>who have freely chosen to be gnome-sized sounds intriguing.
>Does it take place in a contemporary setting?
Indeed, in fact the Petits Hommes possess a superior technology
which allows them to modify their size at will, and a lot of other
gadgets, flying machines, submarines, obviously all miniaturized.
I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
hidden from the world of "the Bigs".
>> I'm not exactly fond of Disney super-heroes, either... I find those,
>> especially the italian Paperinik (moreso in the recent, "modern"
>> incarnation) but also most of Super Goof quite repetitive and
>> unoriginal...
>
>But just because a lot of Paperinik or Super Goof stories may (in your
>opinion) be dull, doesn't mean the characters themselves are bad, does
>it?
Not necessarily, no, my feeling is just that they have exhausted
the original, nice, parodistical purpose to become parodies of
themselves... but parodies that take themselves far too seriously,
in the case of PKNA, who's lost both the "real" Donald and the "real"
Paperinik, so to speak, and still in my opinion, and a very
humble one at that...
Oh, and an additional note...
I must admit for me, too, the one moment in the history of comics
where I find it really difficult to practice what has been appropriately
called "suspension of disbelief" is when Superman brushes his curl
off, dons spectacles and "becomes" meek Clark Kent...
That's plain TOO MUCH...
Nothing wrong with talking ducks and mice, miniaturized men, elves
and marsupilamis, of course... those are REASONABLE ;-)
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>> Also, in France there's a comic series devoted to "Les Petits Hommes",
>> a bunch of people whose diminutive size is permanent (freely chosen, I
>> seem to understand), rather than temporary.
>
>Thanks, E. B. I've only ever seen a few pages of this series, and for
>years I've tried to figure out exactly what was the conceptual
>difference between Les Petits Hommes and the Smurfs.
Absolutely nothing to do with each other, apart from size, which is
just about the same :-)
>The idea of people
>who have freely chosen to be gnome-sized sounds intriguing.
>Does it take place in a contemporary setting?
Indeed, in fact the Petits Hommes possess a superior technology
which allows them to modify their size at will, and a lot of other
gadgets, flying machines, submarines, obviously all miniaturized.
I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
hidden from the world of "the Bigs".
>> I'm not exactly fond of Disney super-heroes, either... I find those,
>> especially the italian Paperinik (moreso in the recent, "modern"
>> incarnation) but also most of Super Goof quite repetitive and
>> unoriginal...
>
>But just because a lot of Paperinik or Super Goof stories may (in your
>opinion) be dull, doesn't mean the characters themselves are bad, does
>it?
Not necessarily, no, my feeling is just that they have exhausted
the original, nice, parodistical purpose to become parodies of
themselves... but parodies that take themselves far too seriously,
in the case of PKNA, who's lost both the "real" Donald and the "real"
Paperinik, so to speak, and still in my opinion, and a very
humble one at that...
Oh, and an additional note...
I must admit for me, too, the one moment in the history of comics
where I find it really difficult to practice what has been appropriately
called "suspension of disbelief" is when Superman brushes his curl
off, dons spectacles and "becomes" meek Clark Kent...
That's plain TOO MUCH...
Nothing wrong with talking ducks and mice, miniaturized men, elves
and marsupilamis, of course... those are REASONABLE ;-)
Cheers!
Eta Beta
SRoweCanoe
Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message 289 -
2004-02-29 at 14:18:47
In a message dated 2/29/2004 6:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eega at supereva.it writes:
>>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....
>I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
>above the title in the first sample...
>Can't help there, though.>>
right, and i stated above, I believe that the appearance and abscence of the
little Mickey head is most likely a distributor code of some type.
but to explain why, i think this might be so, this is based on
1) the size and placement of the head is. this is where traditionaly
distributor codes go
2) there can be lots of variations in a single print run with the code due
to regional variations - Playboy with it's stars being the most famous
(although i should point out, the ads are possibly variant per distribution region
with Playboy). Current Direct Market comics have a different distribution
emblem (and now have different UPC code too).
Possibly one of the codes was for distribution to chain stores (Woolworth;s
etc), and the other to newstands/ the code symbol helps (helped) the secondary
local distributor to correctly pull covers to the right main distributor for
credit.
steven rowe
eega at supereva.it writes:
>>looks like a distributor code... but i wont swear to it.....
>I think Hans refers to the absence of the little Mickey's head
>above the title in the first sample...
>Can't help there, though.>>
right, and i stated above, I believe that the appearance and abscence of the
little Mickey head is most likely a distributor code of some type.
but to explain why, i think this might be so, this is based on
1) the size and placement of the head is. this is where traditionaly
distributor codes go
2) there can be lots of variations in a single print run with the code due
to regional variations - Playboy with it's stars being the most famous
(although i should point out, the ads are possibly variant per distribution region
with Playboy). Current Direct Market comics have a different distribution
emblem (and now have different UPC code too).
Possibly one of the codes was for distribution to chain stores (Woolworth;s
etc), and the other to newstands/ the code symbol helps (helped) the secondary
local distributor to correctly pull covers to the right main distributor for
credit.
steven rowe
Olaf Solstrand
Paperinik (OT: Superman)
Message 290 -
2004-02-29 at 16:15:35
> Olivier:
>> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of costume makes you
>> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman
>> [...]
>> (it's all in the glasses, like Clark)
Lars:
> If people look the same with or without glasses, how come so many have
> dropped the latter and begun wearing contact lenses? Obviously, there
> *is* a difference.
It all reminds me of the explanation given in the TV series "Lois &
Clark"... That the revealing thin fabric of the "overwear underwear" part
of his suit draws the attention away from his face. (spoken by Clark's
mother, who also sew the suit.)
>> It's a odd convention that a mere mask or change of costume makes you
>> unrecognizable / unidentifiable: Clark Kent can in no way be Superman
>> [...]
>> (it's all in the glasses, like Clark)
Lars:
> If people look the same with or without glasses, how come so many have
> dropped the latter and begun wearing contact lenses? Obviously, there
> *is* a difference.
It all reminds me of the explanation given in the TV series "Lois &
Clark"... That the revealing thin fabric of the "overwear underwear" part
of his suit draws the attention away from his face. (spoken by Clark's
mother, who also sew the suit.)
Olaf Solstrand
Shrinking again and superheroes (OT)
Message 291 -
2004-02-29 at 16:44:09
About "Les Petits Hommes":
Eta Beta:
> I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
> Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
> exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
> their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
> they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
> meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
> a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
> preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
> hidden from the world of "the Bigs".
I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's
marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...
The first two pages sum up what happened when the meteorite landed. It's in
a kind of "flashback", though, as the first story find place long after
they shrunk.
"How did the micro people * become as it did? No wonder you're asking, dear
readers...
The answer is simple: It started in the little town Tiger Town *...
Everybody had normal size, when suddenly a morning...
A young scientist meant he'd found a meteorite in his garden. And he gave
it to an expert he knew...
And the next day strange things happened...
It turned into an epidemy. Those who'd touch the meteor rock, shrunk into
miniature people...
Many wanted to touch the micropeople...
...and through contact, a light handshake...
...or a kiss on the cheek...
...the shrinking phenomenon spread as fire in dry grass in Tiger Town *.
Finally they built themselves a city their own size in the shut down
sisterns ** by an old castle."
* Norwegian name
** Sorry, I don't have a clue what that word means in English.
What's happening in the story, is that a (full-size) truck has an accident
near Tiger Town, and runs into a river and destroys a wooden dam. Not much
harm done to real-size people, but the "sisterns" get filled up with water,
and the micro people have to evacuate. While they are talking about where
on earth they could settle now (the Bigs don't have any plans on saving the
"sisterns"), professor Hondegger (again, Norwegian names) reveal that he's
finally managed to make a pill that can make them grow big again. However,
after so much time being small, nobody wants to get big again - but they
know it can be useful for this situation. They dive for the meteorite rock,
so that they now are free to CHOOSE if they want to be big or small. And...
basically, the story is about the journey to the new place to build
Micropolis II.
Eta Beta:
> I'm afraid I've only read myself 2 of their early stories, as "Die
> Minimenschen", i.e. in german edition (Carlsen), a language I don't
> exactly master so I can't give you a lot more details... and I miss
> their first, "origin" adventure, but what I do understand is that
> they have been reduced to one tenth of their original size by a
> meteorite fall (kryptonite ? :-) and that, although they later found
> a way to "expand" again (possibly *that* is temporary ?), they
> preferred to remain small and founded their own Mini Town, well
> hidden from the world of "the Bigs".
I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's
marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...
The first two pages sum up what happened when the meteorite landed. It's in
a kind of "flashback", though, as the first story find place long after
they shrunk.
"How did the micro people * become as it did? No wonder you're asking, dear
readers...
The answer is simple: It started in the little town Tiger Town *...
Everybody had normal size, when suddenly a morning...
A young scientist meant he'd found a meteorite in his garden. And he gave
it to an expert he knew...
And the next day strange things happened...
It turned into an epidemy. Those who'd touch the meteor rock, shrunk into
miniature people...
Many wanted to touch the micropeople...
...and through contact, a light handshake...
...or a kiss on the cheek...
...the shrinking phenomenon spread as fire in dry grass in Tiger Town *.
Finally they built themselves a city their own size in the shut down
sisterns ** by an old castle."
* Norwegian name
** Sorry, I don't have a clue what that word means in English.
What's happening in the story, is that a (full-size) truck has an accident
near Tiger Town, and runs into a river and destroys a wooden dam. Not much
harm done to real-size people, but the "sisterns" get filled up with water,
and the micro people have to evacuate. While they are talking about where
on earth they could settle now (the Bigs don't have any plans on saving the
"sisterns"), professor Hondegger (again, Norwegian names) reveal that he's
finally managed to make a pill that can make them grow big again. However,
after so much time being small, nobody wants to get big again - but they
know it can be useful for this situation. They dive for the meteorite rock,
so that they now are free to CHOOSE if they want to be big or small. And...
basically, the story is about the journey to the new place to build
Micropolis II.
Eta Beta
Petits Hommes (OT)
Message 292 -
2004-02-29 at 17:25:20
OLAF
>I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's
>marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...
That's the first album, in fact, originally titled "L'exode"
(the exodus), but my edition lacks the introduction you quote.
There had been several stories before that (1970), though,
starting in 1967 with "Alerte ? Eslapion", all published
in the magazine "Spirou". I can only guess they begun making
albums with later stories because early ones weren't "mature"
enough, or maybe they were considered just too short for the
full-album format, at the time.
"Eslapion" was however published as album #19, years later
(there's some 40 albums of Les Petits Hommes!), same as the
other early stories in "collection" albums.
I manged to find more info (in French) at
http://bdevore.chez.tiscali.fr/Phommes/phommes.htm
Cheers!
Eta Beta
>I checked my collection, and I DO have the first album. At least it's
>marked "1" in a circle where the number is supposed to be...
That's the first album, in fact, originally titled "L'exode"
(the exodus), but my edition lacks the introduction you quote.
There had been several stories before that (1970), though,
starting in 1967 with "Alerte ? Eslapion", all published
in the magazine "Spirou". I can only guess they begun making
albums with later stories because early ones weren't "mature"
enough, or maybe they were considered just too short for the
full-album format, at the time.
"Eslapion" was however published as album #19, years later
(there's some 40 albums of Les Petits Hommes!), same as the
other early stories in "collection" albums.
I manged to find more info (in French) at
http://bdevore.chez.tiscali.fr/Phommes/phommes.htm
Cheers!
Eta Beta
Jose Gonzalez-Gigato
Gemstone for dummies, some questions
Message 293 -
2004-02-29 at 17:26:15
Stefan Persson
What is a "Rosa draling"?
Message 294 -
2004-02-29 at 17:32:40
The cover of the new Rosa story contains a coded message:
thefirstp
ersontore
adthisa
ndwrite
todonr
osa at ig
lou.com
getsaros
adraling!
On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling." What's that? :-)
BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
Stefan
thefirstp
ersontore
adthisa
ndwrite
todonr
osa at ig
lou.com
getsaros
adraling!
On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling." What's that? :-)
BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
Stefan
Stefan Persson
What is a "Rosa draling"?
Message 295 -
2004-02-29 at 17:37:54
Stefan Persson wrote:
> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
One word disappeared: make that "Disney artists" (and remove one of the
"allowed").
Stefan
> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
One word disappeared: make that "Disney artists" (and remove one of the
"allowed").
Stefan
Don Rosa
What is a "Rosa draling"?
Message 296 -
2004-02-29 at 18:51:49
> The cover of the new Rosa story contains a coded message:
Yes, it was a secret little contest I did for the fans. So far I've had 26
people write in to me.
> On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling." What's that? :-)
That's where I left a dot out of the cipher, so the 'w' became an 'l'.
> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
Disney doesn't care -- that's a myth. It's certain publishers that don't
like it. But they put my autograph on the covers anyway, right?
Yes, it was a secret little contest I did for the fans. So far I've had 26
people write in to me.
> On the last line, you can read about a "Rosa draling." What's that? :-)
That's where I left a dot out of the cipher, so the 'w' became an 'l'.
> BTW, are Disney allowed allowed to sign covers like this?
Disney doesn't care -- that's a myth. It's certain publishers that don't
like it. But they put my autograph on the covers anyway, right?
Pedersen Hans
Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message 297 -
2004-02-29 at 19:20:22
Thanks, Steve, that sounds like a good explanation.
Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far).
If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
about it.
Thanks again, Hans
Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far).
If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
about it.
Thanks again, Hans
Ordi_sas
Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
Message 298 -
2004-02-29 at 20:44:17
I will check and i will tell you about it!
Paolo
> Da: Pedersen Hans <hanskped at yahoo.com>
> Data: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
> A: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Oggetto: Re: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
>
> Thanks, Steve, that sounds like a good explanation.
>
> Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
> heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
> seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far).
>
> If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
> about it.
>
> Thanks again, Hans
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Paolo
> Da: Pedersen Hans <hanskped at yahoo.com>
> Data: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
> A: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Oggetto: Re: Mickey Mouse Magazine variation?
>
> Thanks, Steve, that sounds like a good explanation.
>
> Paolo, I meant the 1935/1940 series. I've only seen the little Mickey
> heads on issues from V2#1 through V3#12 so far. And, from what I have
> seen, the head version appears to about twice as common (28/16 so far).
>
> If you've seen them on other issues, I'd be very interested in hearing
> about it.
>
> Thanks again, Hans
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
>
Pedersen Hans
MM Mag variation + unrelated Barks picture
Message 299 -
2004-02-29 at 22:21:34
Thanks, Paolo, I appreciate it.
---
Completely unrelated, I thought maybe some of the Barks fans might find
the picture below interesting. I am not sure if this has been published
before?
http://www.hhkkpp.com/mystinv.jpg
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Completely unrelated, I thought maybe some of the Barks fans might find
the picture below interesting. I am not sure if this has been published
before?
http://www.hhkkpp.com/mystinv.jpg