It seems the DCML is victim of its own popularity!
After I have subscribed recently to this list and posted a few messages there
with a totally new email address, I quickly started receiveing spam. I
have two friends with the same experience.
It seems spamers can easily collect email addresses from the "user at
domain.com" text on the DCML archive web pages.
Unfortunately even the latest mailman edition doesn't hide email addresses on
web pages. What's worse, I contacted the authors and it doesn't seem they
want to change that, for some obscure reason. However, they pointed me to
this:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=850805&group_id=103&atid=300103
Maybe it's worth looking at the above URL. This patch add emails from web
pages.
If you converse privately, it could take years before you're spammed. With the
DCML, this is a matter of days. And I don't see the benefit of having our
addresses on all the DCML archives web pages.
Author
Topic: 200410
(128 messages)
Richard
Spam problems with mailman on the DCML
Message 16 -
2004-10-03 at 19:28:06
SRoweCanoe
Spam problems with mailman on the DCML
Message 17 -
2004-10-03 at 19:38:20
frankly, I would really like the archives to be private, and not
accessable to anyone to google.....
or can i ask that some of my more personal messages be deleted?
steven rowe
accessable to anyone to google.....
or can i ask that some of my more personal messages be deleted?
steven rowe
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
Spam problems with mailman on the DCML
Message 18 -
2004-10-03 at 19:48:25
Richard wrote:
> It seems spamers can easily collect email addresses from the "user at
> domain.com" text on the DCML archive web pages.
Notice that this is not the only place where email addresses from DCML
messages end up. All DCML messages are automatically sent to the news
group fa.disney-comics and there the "@" in the addresses are not even
substituted by "at". The fact that DCML messages end up in a news group
means that various news group archives/web interfaces might harvest the
messages from there and display them with unscrambeled email addresses
on even more websites, e.g. Google Groups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=fa.disney-comics
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
http://www.cs.aau.dk/~pryds/
NOTICE: New email address: pryds at duckburg.dk
> It seems spamers can easily collect email addresses from the "user at
> domain.com" text on the DCML archive web pages.
Notice that this is not the only place where email addresses from DCML
messages end up. All DCML messages are automatically sent to the news
group fa.disney-comics and there the "@" in the addresses are not even
substituted by "at". The fact that DCML messages end up in a news group
means that various news group archives/web interfaces might harvest the
messages from there and display them with unscrambeled email addresses
on even more websites, e.g. Google Groups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=fa.disney-comics
Thomas
--
Thomas Pryds Lauritsen
http://www.cs.aau.dk/~pryds/
NOTICE: New email address: pryds at duckburg.dk
Richard
Spam problems with mailman on the DCML
Message 19 -
2004-10-03 at 20:14:01
Le dimanche 3 Octobre 2004 18:48, Thomas Pryds Lauritsen a ?crit?:
> messages from there and display them with unscrambeled email addresses
> on even more websites, e.g. Google Groups:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?group=fa.disney-comics
Then that's probably in one of those places that our emails addresses are
collected! I would prefer that our emails not be communicated to these public
web sites.
> messages from there and display them with unscrambeled email addresses
> on even more websites, e.g. Google Groups:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?group=fa.disney-comics
Then that's probably in one of those places that our emails addresses are
collected! I would prefer that our emails not be communicated to these public
web sites.
Jeanmarcbano
Mickey's buddies 4 : size of the comics - Sca
Message 20 -
2004-10-04 at 01:30:09
What is the good size for a comic story? Taking some examples from the french comics throughout the time, an intimate story seems to require the (small) size of an old Mickey Parade, the most part of the stories were coming from the topolino stories of the sixties, these ones fitted very well with the small size of the magazine because these stories used to be both vaudevillesque and intimate (that was the sense of my word 'ludicrous' when i applied it in different earlier comments); and that was just the problem for printing the stories of C.Barks in these issues, stories wich are on a more larger, huge scale than the italian ones with an imposing setting, nature and world described in a lot of stories (a lot of things are huge in the stories of Barks : the money bin, the world, nature, the center of the earth, the space ; so, a small size of magazine doesn't fit well with such a landscape; i remember reading one of the rare (the only? i don't remember) stories of Carl Barks, in a old Mickey Parade, called 'The Micro Ducks of Outer-Space' - an another nostalgia of the old trading? i will come back on this point in a next comment if i can because this not the matter here - (Mickey Parade 1121 bis Picsou le magnifique) and this story didn't fit with the small size of the comic, it is more adequate to read C.Barks in a bigger size; one thing which lacks in the currently Picsou magazine is a certain continuity, fluidity and link between the stories; in the Mickey Parade of the 60's, 70's and early 80's there was, between the stories, some small interludes, prologues which constituted somewhat a link between the main stories, so the magazine was being able to be read as a whole, in Picsou there is a discontinuity between the stories, because they are really differents, in nature, age and personalities of the authors, there is no links between these stories, links which were providing sometimes an insight about the main stories (the prologue of Donald Paladin de Picsou VI Mickey Parade 951 bis is an example amongst numerous ones); i think that must have been the same mechanism in Topolino but i have not so much clues about that, i have never had the possibility of reading an issue of this magazine; so, what we get in definitive at the end for Picsou magazine is a motley mix of different stories; however apart from the lack of continuity between the stories, this magazine has released good ones from time to time, besides on a material level, both the quality of the printing and the paper are good currently.
Mickey : some considerations about a few stories, mostly detective ones : the noise : a lot of elements makes noise and unbearable noise in the stories of Scarpa: the musical instrument of a freshly liberated convict in Mickey et l'?vade d'altacraz (topolino e l'uomo di Altacraz 1963), the noise of a Mickey entering the wrong room of a popular music radio station in 'dimensione Delta', the noise of the records in unglia di Kali.
Elements of vaudeville : implies strong connections between several characters who know each others very well, these connections provide some surprisingly meetings at some unexpected places and moments (Donald ? l'?cole des ennuis, paperino e la scuola dei guai 1958, excellent story between vaudeville and adventure); the vaudeville implies characters with a definite personality, providing the source of the situations; this is not the case in general for Mickey, where the intrigues are predominant over his personality, the characterization being weak, but this is the case for the characters of Duckburg; that leads to the consideration, verified in some Scarpa stories (l'?vad? d'altacraz, Kalhoa) but also in Gottfredson (the phantom blot): Mickey can act alone and stand the story by himself, this is harder for the characters of Duckburg to do so, they are so connected each others, so dependent, that they can hardly act alone in a story without being connected again soon together as if they only were a part of a bigger thing, as a whole (Donald ? l'?cole des ennuis).
The law over Mickey : Just a bizarre consideration after reading some Scarpa's and Gottfredson's stories recently : i think the relationship between Chief O'Hara and Mickey is more a professionnal one (with some hint of frienship) rather than a real friendship because obviously, in some stories chief O'Hara puts the law over Mickey; in The Gleam 1942 he threatens Mickey to have troubles if he doesn't give away what he knows about this affair (but Mickey doesn't want, thinking Minnie is involved in the robbery); in Topolino imperatore della Calidornia, some witnesses believe to have recognized the robber as Mickey, the proofs are against him, Chief O'Hara puts him in jail (he is sorry but he puts him in jail).
The dangerous couple appears in two fundamental plots: the Gleam and the unglia di kali, but a difference exists between the two : in the gleam the woman-housewife is implicated in the robberies, this isn't the case in the unglia de kali where the woman is unaware of her husband's tricks.
The sense of the masquerade : l'?vad? d'altacraz takes a new start in the sense of the Masquerade, in the ambiguity of the personalities (with a hint of psychological element already present in Mickey et la flamme ?ternelle de Kalhoa topolino e la fiamma eterna di Kalhoa (the dream at the beginning of the story where Goofy introduces a dangerous female character to Mickey), 'Chirikawa' with his freudian psychology of a child traumatism; this sense of the Masquerade (less present than in Duckburg) is reinforced and helped by the simple traits (drawing) of the faces of the characters.
Mickey : some considerations about a few stories, mostly detective ones : the noise : a lot of elements makes noise and unbearable noise in the stories of Scarpa: the musical instrument of a freshly liberated convict in Mickey et l'?vade d'altacraz (topolino e l'uomo di Altacraz 1963), the noise of a Mickey entering the wrong room of a popular music radio station in 'dimensione Delta', the noise of the records in unglia di Kali.
Elements of vaudeville : implies strong connections between several characters who know each others very well, these connections provide some surprisingly meetings at some unexpected places and moments (Donald ? l'?cole des ennuis, paperino e la scuola dei guai 1958, excellent story between vaudeville and adventure); the vaudeville implies characters with a definite personality, providing the source of the situations; this is not the case in general for Mickey, where the intrigues are predominant over his personality, the characterization being weak, but this is the case for the characters of Duckburg; that leads to the consideration, verified in some Scarpa stories (l'?vad? d'altacraz, Kalhoa) but also in Gottfredson (the phantom blot): Mickey can act alone and stand the story by himself, this is harder for the characters of Duckburg to do so, they are so connected each others, so dependent, that they can hardly act alone in a story without being connected again soon together as if they only were a part of a bigger thing, as a whole (Donald ? l'?cole des ennuis).
The law over Mickey : Just a bizarre consideration after reading some Scarpa's and Gottfredson's stories recently : i think the relationship between Chief O'Hara and Mickey is more a professionnal one (with some hint of frienship) rather than a real friendship because obviously, in some stories chief O'Hara puts the law over Mickey; in The Gleam 1942 he threatens Mickey to have troubles if he doesn't give away what he knows about this affair (but Mickey doesn't want, thinking Minnie is involved in the robbery); in Topolino imperatore della Calidornia, some witnesses believe to have recognized the robber as Mickey, the proofs are against him, Chief O'Hara puts him in jail (he is sorry but he puts him in jail).
The dangerous couple appears in two fundamental plots: the Gleam and the unglia di kali, but a difference exists between the two : in the gleam the woman-housewife is implicated in the robberies, this isn't the case in the unglia de kali where the woman is unaware of her husband's tricks.
The sense of the masquerade : l'?vad? d'altacraz takes a new start in the sense of the Masquerade, in the ambiguity of the personalities (with a hint of psychological element already present in Mickey et la flamme ?ternelle de Kalhoa topolino e la fiamma eterna di Kalhoa (the dream at the beginning of the story where Goofy introduces a dangerous female character to Mickey), 'Chirikawa' with his freudian psychology of a child traumatism; this sense of the Masquerade (less present than in Duckburg) is reinforced and helped by the simple traits (drawing) of the faces of the characters.
Timo Ronkainen
Stolen Barks Litho in Norway
Message 21 -
2004-10-04 at 12:29:48
>From: "JOHN CHADWICK" <wolfsong at mpinet.net>
>I just received this news link from Yahoo!
> > Scrooge McDuck stolen from Oslo library
>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article881979.ece
>a signed lithograph by
>famed Disney artist Carl Barks was stolen on Thursday from an exhibition at
>an Oslo library.
Oh, could this be one item from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection!!? Anyway, sorry
to hear that. :-(
I hope thet they'll catch the thief(-ves).
Timo
_________________________________________________________________
Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger.
http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi.
>I just received this news link from Yahoo!
> > Scrooge McDuck stolen from Oslo library
>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article881979.ece
>a signed lithograph by
>famed Disney artist Carl Barks was stolen on Thursday from an exhibition at
>an Oslo library.
Oh, could this be one item from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection!!? Anyway, sorry
to hear that. :-(
I hope thet they'll catch the thief(-ves).
Timo
_________________________________________________________________
Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger.
http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi.
Don Rosa
DCML Digest vol. 20 Issue 3
Message 22 -
2004-10-04 at 18:17:02
> From: "Arie Fachrisal" <cien2 at cbn.net.id
> > From: "Heino" <j.heino at kotiposti.net>
...and others.
About the stuff you see showing up on eBay in the way of signed prints and
scribbled Duck heads. Just so anyone interested or curious knows exactly
what they're seeing:
When I had to stop doing those fancy full-color drawings for Duckfans at
American conventions (due to abuse by eBay louts), I still was getting
invited to a few shows a year, and I had to have *something* for fans to get
signed if they don't have anything with them (which in America is quite
often). I can't give away or sell copies of my comics at local or foreign
shows like other writers or artists since I often have trouble getting a
single copy of one of my own comics just for myself, much less even a few
extra. So I make color prints of cover parodies that I've done in years past
for friends or charity auctions and other published Duckscenes or covers,
and I take those to shows. I give away as many as I sell, but the ones I
sell are pretty cheap, $10 each. (And fans are "paying for the signature,
not the print", like the Disney artists do at Disneyana conventions.) These
prints are ONLY something for me to have at the one or two shows I'm invited
to attend in America -- that's their only purpose.
As for the scribbles, those I do always for free at shows. But, I would see
them sometimes go directly onto eBay before I even left the show, and the
eBay louts would get $75-100 each for something they obtained for free by
posing as a "big fan". I now insist on putting a dedication on all
scribbles -- this does not prevent the louts from rushing the free drawings
onto eBay, but it slows them down and lowers the undeserved fees they get.
(But right now there is a "custom cut" scribble on eBay being sold by a lout
who just took scissors and trimmed out Donald's head and my signature from
the paper with the dedication. The winner of that auction will be assured by
me that it was not "custom cut" by the artist and of the obvious reason it
was cut up.)
Yes, I see the signed prints also being rushed onto eBay and selling for up
to $75. Does someone have a right to do that? Well, "yes and no". It may be
his property in one sense. But whenever anyone wants a print without a
dedication I make sure they promise me that it's for themselves or for a
future gift to a friend. Naturally I will NOT sign anything for someone who
tells me it is for immediate eBay sale. Of course, what real guarantee do I
have? The only thing I know for sure is that if someone promises me one
thing and then exploits me with a lie, he might be making some $ but he's
losing far more, his integrity and self-respect, if any. That's a high price
to pay for a bit of profiteering.
But I can see (due to about a dozen signed prints on eBay right now sold by
one person I encountered in Baltimore recently who told me that all the
undedicated prints were "gifts for friends"), I must now *always* insist on
putting dedications rather than asking for promises. And I plan to have a
small rubber stamp made up saying "NOT FOR EBAY SALE" which I'll put on the
backs of the prints.
(And as someone said, personal financial problems may someday make it
needful for a real fan to part with some of his stuff on eBay. But when I
see a dozen prints or scribbles going directly onto eBay just days after the
comics show, if not actually *during* the show, I feel pretty sure that's
not the case in that instance.)
> > From: "Heino" <j.heino at kotiposti.net>
...and others.
About the stuff you see showing up on eBay in the way of signed prints and
scribbled Duck heads. Just so anyone interested or curious knows exactly
what they're seeing:
When I had to stop doing those fancy full-color drawings for Duckfans at
American conventions (due to abuse by eBay louts), I still was getting
invited to a few shows a year, and I had to have *something* for fans to get
signed if they don't have anything with them (which in America is quite
often). I can't give away or sell copies of my comics at local or foreign
shows like other writers or artists since I often have trouble getting a
single copy of one of my own comics just for myself, much less even a few
extra. So I make color prints of cover parodies that I've done in years past
for friends or charity auctions and other published Duckscenes or covers,
and I take those to shows. I give away as many as I sell, but the ones I
sell are pretty cheap, $10 each. (And fans are "paying for the signature,
not the print", like the Disney artists do at Disneyana conventions.) These
prints are ONLY something for me to have at the one or two shows I'm invited
to attend in America -- that's their only purpose.
As for the scribbles, those I do always for free at shows. But, I would see
them sometimes go directly onto eBay before I even left the show, and the
eBay louts would get $75-100 each for something they obtained for free by
posing as a "big fan". I now insist on putting a dedication on all
scribbles -- this does not prevent the louts from rushing the free drawings
onto eBay, but it slows them down and lowers the undeserved fees they get.
(But right now there is a "custom cut" scribble on eBay being sold by a lout
who just took scissors and trimmed out Donald's head and my signature from
the paper with the dedication. The winner of that auction will be assured by
me that it was not "custom cut" by the artist and of the obvious reason it
was cut up.)
Yes, I see the signed prints also being rushed onto eBay and selling for up
to $75. Does someone have a right to do that? Well, "yes and no". It may be
his property in one sense. But whenever anyone wants a print without a
dedication I make sure they promise me that it's for themselves or for a
future gift to a friend. Naturally I will NOT sign anything for someone who
tells me it is for immediate eBay sale. Of course, what real guarantee do I
have? The only thing I know for sure is that if someone promises me one
thing and then exploits me with a lie, he might be making some $ but he's
losing far more, his integrity and self-respect, if any. That's a high price
to pay for a bit of profiteering.
But I can see (due to about a dozen signed prints on eBay right now sold by
one person I encountered in Baltimore recently who told me that all the
undedicated prints were "gifts for friends"), I must now *always* insist on
putting dedications rather than asking for promises. And I plan to have a
small rubber stamp made up saying "NOT FOR EBAY SALE" which I'll put on the
backs of the prints.
(And as someone said, personal financial problems may someday make it
needful for a real fan to part with some of his stuff on eBay. But when I
see a dozen prints or scribbles going directly onto eBay just days after the
comics show, if not actually *during* the show, I feel pretty sure that's
not the case in that instance.)
Anthony Vuono
What is New?
Message 23 -
2004-10-05 at 00:29:58
Dear Don Rosa,
Have you managed to put your hectic schedule under control since early
September? Any new story in the works yet? Also, do you know which
unpublished stories Gemstone will soon release in America in the coming
months and year? I appreciate your clarification on the EBAY drawings.
Because I have never been able to attend a comics convention that featured
you as a guest, I was tempted to purchase one of the signed drawings or
sketches online. Now, I will not do so and just hope that I can meet you
someday in the future. Thanks as always!
Sincerely,
Anthony
Have you managed to put your hectic schedule under control since early
September? Any new story in the works yet? Also, do you know which
unpublished stories Gemstone will soon release in America in the coming
months and year? I appreciate your clarification on the EBAY drawings.
Because I have never been able to attend a comics convention that featured
you as a guest, I was tempted to purchase one of the signed drawings or
sketches online. Now, I will not do so and just hope that I can meet you
someday in the future. Thanks as always!
Sincerely,
Anthony
Lars Olav Karlsen
Stolen Barks Litho in Norway
Message 24 -
2004-10-05 at 12:22:37
Yes, this was one of the items from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection but there
is good news because the lithograph has turned up again.
Someone tried to sell it cheap to a used store here in Oslo and the
owner thought he recognised it. He therefore bought it and turned it
back to the library.
All the best
Lars Karlsen
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of timo ronkainen
Sent: 4. oktober 2004 11:30
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: FW: Stolen Barks Litho in Norway
>From: "JOHN CHADWICK" <wolfsong at mpinet.net>
>I just received this news link from Yahoo!
> > Scrooge McDuck stolen from Oslo library
>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article881979.ece
>a signed lithograph by
>famed Disney artist Carl Barks was stolen on Thursday from an
exhibition at
>an Oslo library.
Oh, could this be one item from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection!!? Anyway,
sorry
to hear that. :-(
I hope thet they'll catch the thief(-ves).
Timo
_________________________________________________________________
Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger.
http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi.
_______________________________________________
http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
is good news because the lithograph has turned up again.
Someone tried to sell it cheap to a used store here in Oslo and the
owner thought he recognised it. He therefore bought it and turned it
back to the library.
All the best
Lars Karlsen
-----Original Message-----
From: dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se [mailto:dcml-bounces at stp.ling.uu.se]
On Behalf Of timo ronkainen
Sent: 4. oktober 2004 11:30
To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: FW: Stolen Barks Litho in Norway
>From: "JOHN CHADWICK" <wolfsong at mpinet.net>
>I just received this news link from Yahoo!
> > Scrooge McDuck stolen from Oslo library
>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article881979.ece
>a signed lithograph by
>famed Disney artist Carl Barks was stolen on Thursday from an
exhibition at
>an Oslo library.
Oh, could this be one item from Marko Lepp?l?'s collection!!? Anyway,
sorry
to hear that. :-(
I hope thet they'll catch the thief(-ves).
Timo
_________________________________________________________________
Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger.
http://messenger.msn.fi Lataa nyt k?ytt??si ilmaiseksi.
_______________________________________________
http://stp.ling.uu.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
Dan Shane
Louts and looters...
Message 25 -
2004-10-05 at 13:58:35
DON WRITES:
> But I can see (due to about a dozen signed prints on eBay right now sold
> by one person I encountered in Baltimore recently who told me that all the
> undedicated prints were "gifts for friends"), I must now *always* insist
> on putting dedications rather than asking for promises. And I plan to have
> a small rubber stamp made up saying "NOT FOR EBAY SALE" which I'll put on
> the backs of the prints.
AND I RESPOND:
I wonder if you might not wish to add to that stamp, "I RECOGNIZE THAT I
RECEIVE THIS ARTWORK UNDER THE CONDITION THAT I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO RESELL
THE WORK." You can add a signature line underneath. All this right in the
middle of the sheet to prevent "trimming."
You would sign the front, and the recipient would sign the back. I know I
would have no problem putting my John Hancock on the reverse side of a nice
piece of art dedicated to me or a friend.
DAN
> But I can see (due to about a dozen signed prints on eBay right now sold
> by one person I encountered in Baltimore recently who told me that all the
> undedicated prints were "gifts for friends"), I must now *always* insist
> on putting dedications rather than asking for promises. And I plan to have
> a small rubber stamp made up saying "NOT FOR EBAY SALE" which I'll put on
> the backs of the prints.
AND I RESPOND:
I wonder if you might not wish to add to that stamp, "I RECOGNIZE THAT I
RECEIVE THIS ARTWORK UNDER THE CONDITION THAT I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO RESELL
THE WORK." You can add a signature line underneath. All this right in the
middle of the sheet to prevent "trimming."
You would sign the front, and the recipient would sign the back. I know I
would have no problem putting my John Hancock on the reverse side of a nice
piece of art dedicated to me or a friend.
DAN
Cord Wiljes
AW: Louts and looters...
Message 26 -
2004-10-05 at 14:58:40
Regarding the problem of people selling convention sketches on eBay: Who
is the victim of such a behaviour? I could imagine:
* the true fan at the convention: because he has to wait longer in line
or is discouraged by its length
* the artist: because the market value of his drawings declines with the
number of drawings on the market
* the buyer of the piece: because he could have gotten it for free at
the convention
I have never sold any of the sketches I got from artists at conventions
- nor would I ever seriously consider sellling them. I love them even
more if they have a dedication - in fact I often asked for it even if
the artist would have made the drawing without it. And neither would I
consider buying a convention sketch made for someone else. Such a sketch
is something personal: It was made for me and I could see the magic of
its creation! The drawing has a history and meaning to me. A sketch made
for someone else is just some pretty lines on paper.
On the other hand I do not like the idea of any stamps, contracts etc.
on the sketch. Not that they would annoy me, but they seem to insinuate
that I could be one of the weasels who want to make a quick buck. And
neither do I believe that any of these would stop (or even slow down)
the real weasels.
I think the best solution of this dilemma would be of the artist could
sell his drawings, prints and commissioned pieces over the internet
himself (or through an agent). This would have several advantages:
* fans who cannot go to conventions would have a chance to get a drawing
by their favorite artist at a reasonable price.
* the artist would be the one who profits by his popularity
* the weasels would be driven out of business because it would stop
being profitable to them
* the lines at conventions would be shorter for the real fans who want
to get their own, personal drawing
An artist who wants to sell his own artwork over the internet would
probably need permission of the Disney company if he wants to draw
Ducks, wouldn't he? Would Disney allow this (like they did with Barks'
oil paintings)?
Cord
is the victim of such a behaviour? I could imagine:
* the true fan at the convention: because he has to wait longer in line
or is discouraged by its length
* the artist: because the market value of his drawings declines with the
number of drawings on the market
* the buyer of the piece: because he could have gotten it for free at
the convention
I have never sold any of the sketches I got from artists at conventions
- nor would I ever seriously consider sellling them. I love them even
more if they have a dedication - in fact I often asked for it even if
the artist would have made the drawing without it. And neither would I
consider buying a convention sketch made for someone else. Such a sketch
is something personal: It was made for me and I could see the magic of
its creation! The drawing has a history and meaning to me. A sketch made
for someone else is just some pretty lines on paper.
On the other hand I do not like the idea of any stamps, contracts etc.
on the sketch. Not that they would annoy me, but they seem to insinuate
that I could be one of the weasels who want to make a quick buck. And
neither do I believe that any of these would stop (or even slow down)
the real weasels.
I think the best solution of this dilemma would be of the artist could
sell his drawings, prints and commissioned pieces over the internet
himself (or through an agent). This would have several advantages:
* fans who cannot go to conventions would have a chance to get a drawing
by their favorite artist at a reasonable price.
* the artist would be the one who profits by his popularity
* the weasels would be driven out of business because it would stop
being profitable to them
* the lines at conventions would be shorter for the real fans who want
to get their own, personal drawing
An artist who wants to sell his own artwork over the internet would
probably need permission of the Disney company if he wants to draw
Ducks, wouldn't he? Would Disney allow this (like they did with Barks'
oil paintings)?
Cord
Don Rosa
DCML Digest Issue 5
Message 27 -
2004-10-05 at 15:01:37
> From: "Anthony Vuono" <avuono at UDel.Edu>
> Subject: What is New?
> Dear Don Rosa,
> Have you managed to put your hectic schedule under control since early
> September? Any new story in the works yet?
No, and I'm getting pretty unhappy about it... but in about 2 hours I leave
on *yet another* week-long trip, this time to the Raptus comics festival in
Bergen, Norway. After that trip, I'll barely be home for 2 weeks before I go
to Greece. So, no, sadly NO story underway yet. Still not yet!
> Also, do you know which
> unpublished stories Gemstone will soon release in America in the coming
> months and year
All I know about is that "Trash or Treasure" (officially mistitled as "Trash
and Treasure") will be in UNCLE $CROOGE #337, and sometime after that the
two-part "Crown of the Crusader Kings / The Old Castle's OTHER Secret" will
appear.
> Subject: What is New?
> Dear Don Rosa,
> Have you managed to put your hectic schedule under control since early
> September? Any new story in the works yet?
No, and I'm getting pretty unhappy about it... but in about 2 hours I leave
on *yet another* week-long trip, this time to the Raptus comics festival in
Bergen, Norway. After that trip, I'll barely be home for 2 weeks before I go
to Greece. So, no, sadly NO story underway yet. Still not yet!
> Also, do you know which
> unpublished stories Gemstone will soon release in America in the coming
> months and year
All I know about is that "Trash or Treasure" (officially mistitled as "Trash
and Treasure") will be in UNCLE $CROOGE #337, and sometime after that the
two-part "Crown of the Crusader Kings / The Old Castle's OTHER Secret" will
appear.
Geo
Don Rosa and American conventions
Message 28 -
2004-10-05 at 18:05:24
OK,
I live in Tampa Florida (the big bulls eye for hurricanes lately). I have been a fan of yours since my childhood (I am 29) and in that WHOLE time the only semi local appearance I've ever heard of you making was at MegaCon in Orlando a few years back. I heard about this after the fact when a friend of mine came up to me at a coffee shop and showed me a drawing you did for him (it now has a coffee stain due to my reaction, but he still has it none the less). Seeing some #?$%*& hustle you for a buck makes me want to type a bunch of words that would get me kicked off this mailing list.
Your appearances here in the U.S. are kind of few and far between and some jerks (insert much harsher term here) use that fact to try to make a buck off people like me and sadly we pay it. You know what though, I am a fan and I don't want some picture- you know what I want, I want to buy you lunch or dinner or a few pitchers of beer and actually talk to you and get to know a bit about you and your stories (which I've read and re read for many years).
I may not read my comics as religiously as I used to, but to this day whenever I need to relax or to clear my head I sit with one of your comics, one of Barks, or one of Geoff Blum's articles. I know this sounds a bit like "Zen and the Art of Reading Comics", but it's the truth. It's people like me who buy those prints, it's people like me who look up "scrooge" every time they log into eBay.
I hope that the fact that people can get these prices on eBay means that your fans are out there. I know being at a show, sitting at a table, with one person every 20 minutes must get to you sometimes. Especially when you go to other countries and you get mobbed like a rock star. The only thing I can say is that your fans (like myself) still read your stories 18 years later and will still read them 30 years from now. Very few authors have that kind of staying power. I don't go back and read X-Men 20 years later; I reread "Last Sled to Dawson". I go out and pick up Gemstone, not DC. And your more recent work that Gemstone is publishing is AMAZING. I'm REALLY looking forward to the new story that brings back Matilda, I'll probbably have to wait 5 years but still...
The offer is valid man, if you?re in Florida I'll drive out and I'll buy- for you and your wife. It would be my honor; you have been a part of my life since childhood.
=======================
"I am trained to get along with Democrats"
- Arnold Schwarzenegger September 2003
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
I live in Tampa Florida (the big bulls eye for hurricanes lately). I have been a fan of yours since my childhood (I am 29) and in that WHOLE time the only semi local appearance I've ever heard of you making was at MegaCon in Orlando a few years back. I heard about this after the fact when a friend of mine came up to me at a coffee shop and showed me a drawing you did for him (it now has a coffee stain due to my reaction, but he still has it none the less). Seeing some #?$%*& hustle you for a buck makes me want to type a bunch of words that would get me kicked off this mailing list.
Your appearances here in the U.S. are kind of few and far between and some jerks (insert much harsher term here) use that fact to try to make a buck off people like me and sadly we pay it. You know what though, I am a fan and I don't want some picture- you know what I want, I want to buy you lunch or dinner or a few pitchers of beer and actually talk to you and get to know a bit about you and your stories (which I've read and re read for many years).
I may not read my comics as religiously as I used to, but to this day whenever I need to relax or to clear my head I sit with one of your comics, one of Barks, or one of Geoff Blum's articles. I know this sounds a bit like "Zen and the Art of Reading Comics", but it's the truth. It's people like me who buy those prints, it's people like me who look up "scrooge" every time they log into eBay.
I hope that the fact that people can get these prices on eBay means that your fans are out there. I know being at a show, sitting at a table, with one person every 20 minutes must get to you sometimes. Especially when you go to other countries and you get mobbed like a rock star. The only thing I can say is that your fans (like myself) still read your stories 18 years later and will still read them 30 years from now. Very few authors have that kind of staying power. I don't go back and read X-Men 20 years later; I reread "Last Sled to Dawson". I go out and pick up Gemstone, not DC. And your more recent work that Gemstone is publishing is AMAZING. I'm REALLY looking forward to the new story that brings back Matilda, I'll probbably have to wait 5 years but still...
The offer is valid man, if you?re in Florida I'll drive out and I'll buy- for you and your wife. It would be my honor; you have been a part of my life since childhood.
=======================
"I am trained to get along with Democrats"
- Arnold Schwarzenegger September 2003
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
HoyMurphy
Rosa artwork
Message 29 -
2004-10-06 at 16:28:40
I'm fortunate to have a Rosa original colored drawing framed and hanging in my comics room. It was done for me probably about 12 years ago when Don appeared at a local comics show. I will never sell it, and will pass it down to my son Patrick, who was 6 at the time and is now 19 and in college and asks me each week if there's a new Don Rosa story in my stack of new comics.
During the past few years I've seen Don a the Mid-Ohio Con held in Columbus, Ohio, each Thanksgiving weekend, and I've collected several of his prints, each signed to "Hoy!" or "Patrick!" (always with an exclamation point!) that I treasure and would also have on the wall if I had room.
And not to gush too much, but part of that 2% or so that Don gets each year in the Comics Buyers Guide Awards in the "favorite writer" and "favorite artist" catergoy comes from me and Patrick when we send in our ballots.
So I guess what I'm saying is, "Thanks, Don, for all the pleasure you've given me and my son on both a professional and personal level over the years."
--your pal, Hoy Murphy
During the past few years I've seen Don a the Mid-Ohio Con held in Columbus, Ohio, each Thanksgiving weekend, and I've collected several of his prints, each signed to "Hoy!" or "Patrick!" (always with an exclamation point!) that I treasure and would also have on the wall if I had room.
And not to gush too much, but part of that 2% or so that Don gets each year in the Comics Buyers Guide Awards in the "favorite writer" and "favorite artist" catergoy comes from me and Patrick when we send in our ballots.
So I guess what I'm saying is, "Thanks, Don, for all the pleasure you've given me and my son on both a professional and personal level over the years."
--your pal, Hoy Murphy
Greg
Don Rosa and American conventions
Message 30 -
2004-10-06 at 18:22:14
>I want to buy you lunch or dinner or a few pitchers of beer and
actually >talk to you and get to know a bit about you and your stories
(which I've >read and re read for many years).
I'm lucky enough to have Don's signature hanging on my wall and it's
dedicated to me but I have to agree with everything that Geo said. I
have never even considered selling it and while the idea of buying a
piece on Ebay has crossed my mind I haven't wanted to perpetuate the
scalping of his work.
The offer stands from down here as well. Don, if you ever make it to the
Gold Coast, Australia you'll never have to buy your own drinks.
Greg
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 5/10/2004
actually >talk to you and get to know a bit about you and your stories
(which I've >read and re read for many years).
I'm lucky enough to have Don's signature hanging on my wall and it's
dedicated to me but I have to agree with everything that Geo said. I
have never even considered selling it and while the idea of buying a
piece on Ebay has crossed my mind I haven't wanted to perpetuate the
scalping of his work.
The offer stands from down here as well. Don, if you ever make it to the
Gold Coast, Australia you'll never have to buy your own drinks.
Greg
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 5/10/2004