Quote from user: arthurQuote from user: snappercarOh and in this economy, gotta love the $2.99 price, so much more affordable them Gemstone's $8.95
Gemstone: $7.99 for 64 pages = 0.12484 cents per page
Boom: $2.99 for 24 pages = 0.12458
They are actually just 0.00026 cents per page cheaper. And for that you get a floppy comic. ;)
I am not enthousiastic about comic books aimed at little kids, and only 24 pages, and cheap and very perishable materials. I'd like my own Dutch and Danish-produced stories to appear in US comics. But, I'd rather have them in more expensive, more durable books than flimsy 24-page pamphlets. I'm still hoping to hear that an Uncle Scrooge and a Donald Duck book will be issued monthly, as well as special, thick, durable books (like "Disney Treasures") and also that The Gottfredson and Barks Collections.
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Topic: Boom! Gets Disney License
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Robb_K
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 61 -
2009-06-23 at 06:41:10
Charlie Brown
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 62 -
2009-06-23 at 06:53:24
Quote from user: arthurGemstone: $7.99 for 64 pages = 0.12484 cents per page
Boom: $2.99 for 24 pages = 0.12458
They are actually just 0.00026 cents per page cheaper. And for that you get a floppy comic. ;)
That's a good point ;)
I still hope that there will be an Uncle Scrooge book in the Gemstone size and quality. That's what I will buy.
And don't forget the Barks Collection ;)
Boom: $2.99 for 24 pages = 0.12458
They are actually just 0.00026 cents per page cheaper. And for that you get a floppy comic. ;)
That's a good point ;)
I still hope that there will be an Uncle Scrooge book in the Gemstone size and quality. That's what I will buy.
And don't forget the Barks Collection ;)
Morequack
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 63 -
2009-06-23 at 07:02:42
Quote from user: Robb_KI am not enthusiastic about comic books aimed at little kids, and only 24 pages, and cheap and very perishable materials. I'd like my own Dutch and Danish-produced stories to appear in US comics. But, I'd rather have them in more expensive, more durable books than flimsy 24-page pamphlets.
Absolutely agree. The cheap pamphlets that are today calling themselves comic books are garbage, designed to be mostly advertising. I would rather that the UNCLE SCROOGE title not go down that squalid road but rather retire within the level of quality and dignity that Gladstone and Gemstone worked so hard to achieve.
Absolutely agree. The cheap pamphlets that are today calling themselves comic books are garbage, designed to be mostly advertising. I would rather that the UNCLE SCROOGE title not go down that squalid road but rather retire within the level of quality and dignity that Gladstone and Gemstone worked so hard to achieve.
Roger North
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 64 -
2009-06-23 at 11:06:30
Well I'd rather they have the 24 page issues than No Disney Comics at all.
Snappercar
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 65 -
2009-06-23 at 13:08:54
All I was saying that $6 a month is alot more affordable then $18.
I'd rather get $6 of new (to the states anyway) material then spend $18 on material that I already own from previous issues
Now I admit, I'm not extremely happy that the story material in and of itself seems like it will be geared towards young kids, but any new Disney material is better then none at all.
However I do think it's a good move on Boom's part to gear them to the younger set. Most comic collectors/ readers appear to be of the 30 plus age group. Teens and young aduls are more into video games nowadays, comic reader are few and far between in that age group
By appealing to kids at a younger age it will get them into reading early and steer them towards the possibility of being future comic readers or collectors when they get older.
I'd rather get $6 of new (to the states anyway) material then spend $18 on material that I already own from previous issues
Now I admit, I'm not extremely happy that the story material in and of itself seems like it will be geared towards young kids, but any new Disney material is better then none at all.
However I do think it's a good move on Boom's part to gear them to the younger set. Most comic collectors/ readers appear to be of the 30 plus age group. Teens and young aduls are more into video games nowadays, comic reader are few and far between in that age group
By appealing to kids at a younger age it will get them into reading early and steer them towards the possibility of being future comic readers or collectors when they get older.
Rodney
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Message 66 -
2009-06-23 at 13:22:54
Selling funny animal comic books for $8 each and aiming them at male collectors over 30 years of age has been proven since the format was introduced to be a poor selling idea. Successful comic books sell more than 5000 copies an issue.
I'm not thrilled with these new changes either, but something needs to be done.
I'm not thrilled with these new changes either, but something needs to be done.
Kneon
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 67 -
2009-06-23 at 17:52:00
Quote from user: rodneySelling funny animal comic books for $8 each and aiming them at male collectors over 30 years of age has been proven since the format was introduced to be a poor selling idea. Successful comic books sell more than 5000 copies an issue.
I'm not thrilled with these new changes either, but something needs to be done.
I think Gemstone was on to something with the Adventures digest-sized books. They were durable enough for collectors, and manga sized for the kids. They seemed to stick with the 3 tier stories, however, due to the smaller size. As I recall, these books actually sold fairly well, but were axed (along with the pamphlets) to save WDC&S and Uncle Scrooge.
Maybe Boom needs two lines... kid friendly monthlies or graphic novels and collector friendly collections.
I'm not thrilled with these new changes either, but something needs to be done.
I think Gemstone was on to something with the Adventures digest-sized books. They were durable enough for collectors, and manga sized for the kids. They seemed to stick with the 3 tier stories, however, due to the smaller size. As I recall, these books actually sold fairly well, but were axed (along with the pamphlets) to save WDC&S and Uncle Scrooge.
Maybe Boom needs two lines... kid friendly monthlies or graphic novels and collector friendly collections.
Kneon
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 68 -
2009-06-23 at 18:24:09
Ah, this sheds more light on it...
From Newsarama:
Richie said that Boom?s immediate plan for the license is to start telling new stories, much like they have done with The Incredibles, Cars, The Muppets and others. "The Gemstone material that was being printed most recently are some of the greatest comics in the world ? you?re talking about Carl Barks and Don Rosa and all these incredible creators, but what we?re going to be doing is branching off and going in a completely different direction," Richie told Newsarama. "We?re going to start to approach the Mickey and Donald material from a completely different direction, and we?re going to try to have something that at the same time is less the ?greatest hits? reprints and more dovetails into what the Boom Kids stuff is, which is sort of an add to and extension of, modern presence creative take on these classic characters that I think can connect with kids today."
That said, Richie added that the rights to publish the classic Disney Comics material is included in Boom?s license, and the publisher has plans for it. ?We will be handling the classic material," Richie said, declining to go into detail at this time. "We?re not going to abandon the fans that are buying that material, so we will have programs and products for them."
Source: http://texcap.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/boom-studios-confirms-disney-license/
From Newsarama:
Richie said that Boom?s immediate plan for the license is to start telling new stories, much like they have done with The Incredibles, Cars, The Muppets and others. "The Gemstone material that was being printed most recently are some of the greatest comics in the world ? you?re talking about Carl Barks and Don Rosa and all these incredible creators, but what we?re going to be doing is branching off and going in a completely different direction," Richie told Newsarama. "We?re going to start to approach the Mickey and Donald material from a completely different direction, and we?re going to try to have something that at the same time is less the ?greatest hits? reprints and more dovetails into what the Boom Kids stuff is, which is sort of an add to and extension of, modern presence creative take on these classic characters that I think can connect with kids today."
That said, Richie added that the rights to publish the classic Disney Comics material is included in Boom?s license, and the publisher has plans for it. ?We will be handling the classic material," Richie said, declining to go into detail at this time. "We?re not going to abandon the fans that are buying that material, so we will have programs and products for them."
Source: http://texcap.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/boom-studios-confirms-disney-license/
WB
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 69 -
2009-06-24 at 14:22:22
Guys - don't be so down on Wizards of Mickey and Ultraheroes. It's actually probably VERY smart that they chose those right off the bat if you think about it.
While Ultraheroes came as a surprise (the big Supergoof/Duck Avenger crossover with a horde of the other superhero parody characters), "Wizards of Mickey" is something that even Gemstone wanted to print here if I remember correctly but couldnt do so in their situation. And while those are BIG storylines I have no doubt in my mind that they'll have more for us beyond JUST that. ALSO - hopefully they'll have dialoguers and translators who know to beef up the material and make it interesting for both kids and adults alike. While we've been the only "target group" to read the comics in years, I think its very smart to try and recapture that kids group to Disney comics again. After all - a lot of us tend to forget that we were kids when we started reading and the buzz for this in casual circles outside of the hardcore Disney set is HUGE now. That alone is something that hasn't happened in years as far as Disney is concerned. It makes sense to recapture that group that was lost during the Gemstone period.
The final proof will be in the pudding, but as long as they handle the material respectfully and make it readable I think it will be a fun ride. We don't know how they will handle it, so right now, the best thing to do is simply wait and see.
Quote:Selling funny animal comic books for $8 each and aiming them at male collectors over 30 years of age has been proven since the format was introduced to be a poor selling idea.
People are always afraid of change. They were when Disney took over and they were when Gladstone II took over and later took over again only to do the same old things that drove the books to their eventual cancellation. People being afraid of change is what's going on with the hardcore fan and Boom now. It probably sounds harsh but rodney's view and mine are the honest to goodness truth when it comes to that price and the target audience of aged collectors. Disney Comics are best when they are aimed at kids and adults and all kids and adults can easily pick them up. That was just not being done with the prestige format and all the reasons for keeping it as long as they did were flawed and caught in an endless catch 22 of its own product. I have no qualms about saying good freaking riddance to the format in general and I for once welcome a much easier and affordable pricing structure even if it is at the cost of some page content (that wasn't always used to the best story choices at Gemstone either when you go back and really look at it).
I for one don't like my wallet being massacred every other month. Especially if you like to read more than just Disney. :P
While Ultraheroes came as a surprise (the big Supergoof/Duck Avenger crossover with a horde of the other superhero parody characters), "Wizards of Mickey" is something that even Gemstone wanted to print here if I remember correctly but couldnt do so in their situation. And while those are BIG storylines I have no doubt in my mind that they'll have more for us beyond JUST that. ALSO - hopefully they'll have dialoguers and translators who know to beef up the material and make it interesting for both kids and adults alike. While we've been the only "target group" to read the comics in years, I think its very smart to try and recapture that kids group to Disney comics again. After all - a lot of us tend to forget that we were kids when we started reading and the buzz for this in casual circles outside of the hardcore Disney set is HUGE now. That alone is something that hasn't happened in years as far as Disney is concerned. It makes sense to recapture that group that was lost during the Gemstone period.
The final proof will be in the pudding, but as long as they handle the material respectfully and make it readable I think it will be a fun ride. We don't know how they will handle it, so right now, the best thing to do is simply wait and see.
Quote:Selling funny animal comic books for $8 each and aiming them at male collectors over 30 years of age has been proven since the format was introduced to be a poor selling idea.
People are always afraid of change. They were when Disney took over and they were when Gladstone II took over and later took over again only to do the same old things that drove the books to their eventual cancellation. People being afraid of change is what's going on with the hardcore fan and Boom now. It probably sounds harsh but rodney's view and mine are the honest to goodness truth when it comes to that price and the target audience of aged collectors. Disney Comics are best when they are aimed at kids and adults and all kids and adults can easily pick them up. That was just not being done with the prestige format and all the reasons for keeping it as long as they did were flawed and caught in an endless catch 22 of its own product. I have no qualms about saying good freaking riddance to the format in general and I for once welcome a much easier and affordable pricing structure even if it is at the cost of some page content (that wasn't always used to the best story choices at Gemstone either when you go back and really look at it).
I for one don't like my wallet being massacred every other month. Especially if you like to read more than just Disney. :P
Robb_K
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 70 -
2009-06-24 at 18:00:06
Boom! HAS to go after the market of younger children to capture the mass sales needed to get the mass outlets, needed to get the income and profitability to allow them to operate. THEN, they will have the money to also publish the "classical" Disney comics. The kids who get introduced to Disney Comics through the young-youth-oriented series will look at the "classical" comics, too, as they'll want to read everything containing their "favourite new characters" (Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Donald, Uncle Scrooge, Gyro, etc.). We have to hope they succeed with their new youth lines-or this franchise will fail quickly.
Roger North
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 71 -
2009-06-24 at 18:18:45
I do hope that Boom succeeds with publishing their Disney Comics. Maybe they will do a better job than Gemstone and it's other predecessors.
Alle
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 72 -
2009-06-24 at 22:43:43
Quote from user: WBAfter all - a lot of us tend to forget that we were kids when we started reading and the buzz for this in casual circles outside of the hardcore Disney set is HUGE now.
When I was a kid I read Barks, and Gottfredson, and Scarpa, and Cimino, and Martina.
Today's kids will read Ultraheroes and Wizards of Mickey.
I think I have to say no more words.
And I repeat: Ultraheroes and WoM are garbage.
When I was a kid I read Barks, and Gottfredson, and Scarpa, and Cimino, and Martina.
Today's kids will read Ultraheroes and Wizards of Mickey.
I think I have to say no more words.
And I repeat: Ultraheroes and WoM are garbage.
Rodney
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 73 -
2009-06-24 at 23:02:03
And why isn't it logical to assume that some of those kids will go on to read Barks, Gottfredson, Scarpa etc?
WB
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 74 -
2009-06-25 at 00:49:36
Quote from user: rodneyAnd why isn't it logical to assume that some of those kids will go on to read Barks, Gottfredson, Scarpa etc?
Exactly. I started reading during the Disney era when it was like 75 to 80% garbage and that was the gateway that led me to the other stuff including stuff I liked that wasn't just Barks, Gottfredson and Scarpa. Don't be a drama queen about it. It's not like we'll never see them again and personally I welcome a break from our millionth and one Barks reprint. You can find them ANYWHERE now - furthermore we don't know how Ultraheroes and WoM will be translated or dialogued stateside which may be better than its native language. It's not like that hasn't happened here many times before with originally bland Egmont stuff.
One man's meat is another man's poison. We can't do anything BUT speculate right now. Granted you've read it in its native language and that says something, but still - its not that deep. At least give it a chance before you pan it and Boom outright. :P
Exactly. I started reading during the Disney era when it was like 75 to 80% garbage and that was the gateway that led me to the other stuff including stuff I liked that wasn't just Barks, Gottfredson and Scarpa. Don't be a drama queen about it. It's not like we'll never see them again and personally I welcome a break from our millionth and one Barks reprint. You can find them ANYWHERE now - furthermore we don't know how Ultraheroes and WoM will be translated or dialogued stateside which may be better than its native language. It's not like that hasn't happened here many times before with originally bland Egmont stuff.
One man's meat is another man's poison. We can't do anything BUT speculate right now. Granted you've read it in its native language and that says something, but still - its not that deep. At least give it a chance before you pan it and Boom outright. :P
Louis Lane
Boom! Gets Disney License
Message 75 -
2009-06-25 at 05:11:20
>The cheap pamphlets that are today calling themselves comic books are garbage, designed to be mostly advertising.
I looked at a recent Boom kids' comic (Muppets) and saw that the book had 22 story pages and 2 ads. This story page count is count is consistent with old Marvel and DC super-hero titles from the 80s (not sure how it compares to the Gladstone and Gemstone titles). One bad thing is that the Boom cover stock is very, very thin. Therefore, the package seems overpriced. The Incredibles and Muppet titles are selling okay in my LCS, however, and Boom has announced second printings of some titles.
That 24 page format probably is better (i.e., more sellable) than 32 pages for $4 though. Some other $4 comics have stiffer covers, however, which is nice and makes the package seem like a better deal.
Maybe Boom will experiment with page counts, prices, and cover stock to find the perfect mix for both the "new" and "classic" titles. Heck, they might even continue the "prestiege" format...
LL
I looked at a recent Boom kids' comic (Muppets) and saw that the book had 22 story pages and 2 ads. This story page count is count is consistent with old Marvel and DC super-hero titles from the 80s (not sure how it compares to the Gladstone and Gemstone titles). One bad thing is that the Boom cover stock is very, very thin. Therefore, the package seems overpriced. The Incredibles and Muppet titles are selling okay in my LCS, however, and Boom has announced second printings of some titles.
That 24 page format probably is better (i.e., more sellable) than 32 pages for $4 though. Some other $4 comics have stiffer covers, however, which is nice and makes the package seem like a better deal.
Maybe Boom will experiment with page counts, prices, and cover stock to find the perfect mix for both the "new" and "classic" titles. Heck, they might even continue the "prestiege" format...
LL