Quote from user: Michiel PUncle Eider Duck ("Farragut the Falcon") is included in Rosa's Family Tree as Donald's uncle. Could he be the same person as Grandma's Uncle Eider ("Gold of the '49ers")?
I doubt Barks meant the two to be the same person; he probably forgot ever having used the name in "Farragut" by the time he wrote "49-ers". He never seemed to me to be big on continuity with his one-shot or cameo characters. On the other hand, Rosa certainly is, and as you pointed out, he did make Farragut-Eider Grandma's son (and thus a direct uncle of Donald). On the other hand, the 49ers-Eider appears to be at least a generation older than Grandma (the nephews refer to him as Grandma's uncle Eider, not just as an uncle), so maybe Grandma named her son after a beloved uncle? This is an attempt to reconcile the Barks and Rosa universes, which is not something everyone necessarily wants to do, of course. From a purely Barks perspective, I guess the two could be the same person, but he'd be awful old, considering the only definite relationship we'd have then is that he's Grandma's uncle.
This also raises the issue, once more, of all the missing Duck relatives on Rosa's tree. Whatever happened to all of Grandma's kids, to Gladstone's father, to Gus' parents?
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Baar Baar Jinx
Barks Quiz
Message 61 -
2012-01-17 at 17:23:03
Michiel P
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Message 62 -
2012-01-17 at 17:40:58
Quote from user: ArildDaisy's grandmother? [...] I think she is not Grandma Duck.
First off, you're awarded another extra bonus point for locating a reference that I missed. :) Daisy's grandmother was not on my list, although it could be argued she's the unnamed elderly lady from "Donald's Love Letters" or indeed Grandma Duck herself.
Note that Grandma Duck gets mentioned on page 6 of "Donald's Party", as someone who's apparently an enthusiastic seamstress, a characteristic she shares with Daisy's grandmother, who made Daisy a nice dress. The story being as tightly told as it is, it would certainly be fitting if these two grandmothers were intended to be the same person. The Dutch translation went this route and indicates the dress is a present from Grandma Duck.
Quote from user: Robb_KThere seems to be entirely too much interbreeding in the "Duck Family" as it is. [...] What if Daisy and Donald get married and have children? They might have horrible diseases or mental retardation.
You're obviously joking, but marriage between first cousins is less harmful than you may think. Note also that it's allowed in California, which is in many ways the template for Calisota.
Quote from user: WikipediaA review of 48 studies of children born to cousins found that most of the children were healthy, with birth defects affecting 4% of births for consanguineous couples compared to 2% for the general population.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Genetic_disorders
[quote=Robb_K][...] Fethry Duck and Moby Duck (Donalds first (or second) cousins) are idiots
Is there any evidence that Donald and Moby are indeed related? Apart from their last name, that is. You somehow failed to mention Dim-Witty, who might be the real idiot of the family.
First off, you're awarded another extra bonus point for locating a reference that I missed. :) Daisy's grandmother was not on my list, although it could be argued she's the unnamed elderly lady from "Donald's Love Letters" or indeed Grandma Duck herself.
Note that Grandma Duck gets mentioned on page 6 of "Donald's Party", as someone who's apparently an enthusiastic seamstress, a characteristic she shares with Daisy's grandmother, who made Daisy a nice dress. The story being as tightly told as it is, it would certainly be fitting if these two grandmothers were intended to be the same person. The Dutch translation went this route and indicates the dress is a present from Grandma Duck.
Quote from user: Robb_KThere seems to be entirely too much interbreeding in the "Duck Family" as it is. [...] What if Daisy and Donald get married and have children? They might have horrible diseases or mental retardation.
You're obviously joking, but marriage between first cousins is less harmful than you may think. Note also that it's allowed in California, which is in many ways the template for Calisota.
Quote from user: WikipediaA review of 48 studies of children born to cousins found that most of the children were healthy, with birth defects affecting 4% of births for consanguineous couples compared to 2% for the general population.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Genetic_disorders
[quote=Robb_K][...] Fethry Duck and Moby Duck (Donalds first (or second) cousins) are idiots
Is there any evidence that Donald and Moby are indeed related? Apart from their last name, that is. You somehow failed to mention Dim-Witty, who might be the real idiot of the family.
Lars Jensen
Barks Quiz
Message 63 -
2012-01-17 at 18:14:21
Quote from user: Michiel PIs there any evidence that Donald and Moby are indeed related?
In Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
In Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
Michiel P
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Message 64 -
2012-01-17 at 18:36:05
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI doubt Daisy and Donald are related.
Oh, but they are! As can be concluded from research by Gilles Maurice, Daisy appeared in at least 8 "official" Duck Family Trees, meaning they were published in a Disney source. There's no evidence of her being descended from Grandma Duck, however.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/index.html
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxMaybe Grandma named her son {Eider} after a beloved uncle?
That's an interpretation I can get behind. It's kind of obvious, really.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxThe two could be the same person, but he'd be awful old, considering [...] he's Grandma's uncle.
If every Duck hatched ca. 20 years after its parent, that would make Eider Duck around 60 years older than Donald, whom I reckon is in his early twenties. Thus, it's conceivable that an uncle of Grandma's would still be alive to send Donald a falcon in 1944.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhatever happened to [...] Gladstone's father?
Gladstone was orphaned when his parents died from overeating at a free-lunch picknick.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/barks.html#v1
Quote from user: Lars JensenIn Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
Thanks for the information! :) It's a pity this cartoon can't be found on YouTube.
Oh, but they are! As can be concluded from research by Gilles Maurice, Daisy appeared in at least 8 "official" Duck Family Trees, meaning they were published in a Disney source. There's no evidence of her being descended from Grandma Duck, however.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/index.html
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxMaybe Grandma named her son {Eider} after a beloved uncle?
That's an interpretation I can get behind. It's kind of obvious, really.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxThe two could be the same person, but he'd be awful old, considering [...] he's Grandma's uncle.
If every Duck hatched ca. 20 years after its parent, that would make Eider Duck around 60 years older than Donald, whom I reckon is in his early twenties. Thus, it's conceivable that an uncle of Grandma's would still be alive to send Donald a falcon in 1944.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhatever happened to [...] Gladstone's father?
Gladstone was orphaned when his parents died from overeating at a free-lunch picknick.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/barks.html#v1
Quote from user: Lars JensenIn Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
Thanks for the information! :) It's a pity this cartoon can't be found on YouTube.
Robb_K
Barks Quiz
Message 65 -
2012-01-18 at 01:36:30
Quote from user: Michiel PQuote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI doubt Daisy and Donald are related.
Oh, but they are! As can be concluded from research by Gilles Maurice, Daisy appeared in at least 8 "official" Duck Family Trees, meaning they were published in a Disney source. There's no evidence of her being descended from Grandma Duck, however.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/index.html
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxMaybe Grandma named her son {Eider} after a beloved uncle?
That's an interpretation I can get behind. It's kind of obvious, really.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxThe two could be the same person, but he'd be awful old, considering [...] he's Grandma's uncle.
If every Duck hatched ca. 20 years after its parent, that would make Eider Duck around 60 years older than Donald, whom I reckon is in his early twenties. Thus, it's conceivable that an uncle of Grandma's would still be alive to send Donald a falcon in 1944.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhatever happened to [...] Gladstone's father?
Gladstone was orphaned when his parents died from overeating at a free-lunch picknick.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/barks.html#v1
Quote from user: Lars JensenIn Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
Thanks for the information! :) It's a pity this cartoon can't be found on YouTube.
Gladstone's parents dying from overeating at a picnic is NOT a lucky occurrence. Had I, myself, placed that in one of my submitted stories, it would have been rejected, as Gladstone's lucky family members CAN'T have bad luck.
Oh, but they are! As can be concluded from research by Gilles Maurice, Daisy appeared in at least 8 "official" Duck Family Trees, meaning they were published in a Disney source. There's no evidence of her being descended from Grandma Duck, however.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/index.html
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxMaybe Grandma named her son {Eider} after a beloved uncle?
That's an interpretation I can get behind. It's kind of obvious, really.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxThe two could be the same person, but he'd be awful old, considering [...] he's Grandma's uncle.
If every Duck hatched ca. 20 years after its parent, that would make Eider Duck around 60 years older than Donald, whom I reckon is in his early twenties. Thus, it's conceivable that an uncle of Grandma's would still be alive to send Donald a falcon in 1944.
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxWhatever happened to [...] Gladstone's father?
Gladstone was orphaned when his parents died from overeating at a free-lunch picknick.
- Source: http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/ducktrees/barks.html#v1
Quote from user: Lars JensenIn Disney's cartoon "Pacifically Peeking" Moby is apparently described as being a cousin of Donald. (I haven't seen the cartoon, though.)
Thanks for the information! :) It's a pity this cartoon can't be found on YouTube.
Gladstone's parents dying from overeating at a picnic is NOT a lucky occurrence. Had I, myself, placed that in one of my submitted stories, it would have been rejected, as Gladstone's lucky family members CAN'T have bad luck.
Arild
Barks Quiz
Message 66 -
2012-01-18 at 01:52:22
Daisy's Aunt Matilda?
Quote from user: Michiel PWell, no. There is a dog character involved, though.
The wife of Diamond Dick.
His third wife was a McDuck on her great grandfather's side
Quote from user: Michiel PWell, no. There is a dog character involved, though.
The wife of Diamond Dick.
His third wife was a McDuck on her great grandfather's side
Baar Baar Jinx
Barks Quiz
Message 67 -
2012-01-18 at 02:16:18
Quote from user: Robb_KGladstone's parents dying from overeating at a picnic is NOT a lucky occurrence. Had I, myself, placed that in one of my submitted stories, it would have been rejected, as Gladstone's lucky family members CAN'T have bad luck.
I agree, is this version of the death of Gladstone's parents still considered canon? It seems like something Barks came up with in a moment of levity. Didn't he abandon the whole idea of Gladstone being adopted in the second edition of his family tree?
I agree, is this version of the death of Gladstone's parents still considered canon? It seems like something Barks came up with in a moment of levity. Didn't he abandon the whole idea of Gladstone being adopted in the second edition of his family tree?
Robb_K
Barks Quiz
Message 68 -
2012-01-18 at 04:29:39
How lucky is it to lose both one's parents at a young age?
Arild
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Message 69 -
2012-01-18 at 06:44:00
Quote from user: Robb_K.., as Gladstone's lucky family members CAN'T have bad luck.
Talent skips a generation?
Talent skips a generation?
Robb_K
Barks Quiz
Message 70 -
2012-01-18 at 11:31:23
Quote from user: ArildQuote from user: Robb_K.., as Gladstone's lucky family members CAN'T have bad luck.
Talent skips a generation?
Again, I say: "How lucky is it for Gladstone to lose both one's parents at a young age?" Did good luck skip GLADSTONE'S generation, too??? What good is winning lottery tickets and never working, never feeling a REAL sense of accomplishment and self worth that comes from working towards a goal and finally getting here? If Gladstone became an orphan early in his life, we see a truly tragic figure. He had no one to emulate, and provide him security. So, he built up a FALSE sense of self worth, based on the myth of "worthiness" from being the "best idyll loafer" and "good luck champion". Really, Gladstone, through lack of security (provided to all infants through adolescents through parents), and lack of reasonable values, (gained through having been learnt through emulated parental role models), to become a pitiful character wallowing in self hate on the inside, having to put up a front of a false sense of self-satisfaction to the public eye. He CANNOT really enjoy thinking of himself as a loafer, and so CANNOT enjoy being "the luck champ". Deep down he envies "normal" people, who have real, intimate relations with others (showing others their true selves), and all those who feel true self worth through building themselves into a person who has value to others and to The World. This is why no readers can actually "like" Gladstone.
All that aside,-if we storywriters, scriptors and final artists are to portray Gladstone, correctly, as being for the most part (except in rare, special occaisions) as "super lucky", how can we abide a history so terribly unlucky as losing one's parents at a young age? It could only work if those parents were so very terrible, that he was "lucky" to be rid of them. But, then, how was it "lucky" for him to be born of such terrible people in the first place? And then, we have to invent for him a situation in which he was raised, which was completely wonderful. I'm wondering if using flashbacks to refer to any such scenario in a story would be accepted by current Disney Comics editors, because Barks never showed or referred to anything remotely like that.
Talent skips a generation?
Again, I say: "How lucky is it for Gladstone to lose both one's parents at a young age?" Did good luck skip GLADSTONE'S generation, too??? What good is winning lottery tickets and never working, never feeling a REAL sense of accomplishment and self worth that comes from working towards a goal and finally getting here? If Gladstone became an orphan early in his life, we see a truly tragic figure. He had no one to emulate, and provide him security. So, he built up a FALSE sense of self worth, based on the myth of "worthiness" from being the "best idyll loafer" and "good luck champion". Really, Gladstone, through lack of security (provided to all infants through adolescents through parents), and lack of reasonable values, (gained through having been learnt through emulated parental role models), to become a pitiful character wallowing in self hate on the inside, having to put up a front of a false sense of self-satisfaction to the public eye. He CANNOT really enjoy thinking of himself as a loafer, and so CANNOT enjoy being "the luck champ". Deep down he envies "normal" people, who have real, intimate relations with others (showing others their true selves), and all those who feel true self worth through building themselves into a person who has value to others and to The World. This is why no readers can actually "like" Gladstone.
All that aside,-if we storywriters, scriptors and final artists are to portray Gladstone, correctly, as being for the most part (except in rare, special occaisions) as "super lucky", how can we abide a history so terribly unlucky as losing one's parents at a young age? It could only work if those parents were so very terrible, that he was "lucky" to be rid of them. But, then, how was it "lucky" for him to be born of such terrible people in the first place? And then, we have to invent for him a situation in which he was raised, which was completely wonderful. I'm wondering if using flashbacks to refer to any such scenario in a story would be accepted by current Disney Comics editors, because Barks never showed or referred to anything remotely like that.
Arild
Barks Quiz
Message 71 -
2012-01-18 at 12:46:22
Quote from user: Robb_KAgain, I say: "How lucky is it for Gladstone to lose both one's parents at a young age?"
Gladstone has never been especially lucky when it comes to relations and love, has he?
Gladstone has never been especially lucky when it comes to relations and love, has he?
Michiel P
Barks Quiz
Message 72 -
2012-01-18 at 15:52:32
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxDidn't {Barks} abandon the whole idea of Gladstone being adopted in the second edition of his family tree?
The second version of Carl Barks' tree was made ca. 40 years after the first version & ca. 20 years after Barks gave that first version away to a fan. By then, Barks had simply forgotten about the adoption.
Quote from user: ArildDaisy's Aunt Matilda?
Correct! :)
Quote from user: ArildThe wife of Diamond Dick. His third wife was a McDuck on her great grandfather's side
Correct! :) Well, I meant Diamond Dick himself, but his third wife and her great grandfather obviously do count as well. I hadn't thought of that.
The Dutch translation obliterated the family relationship. Diamond Dick knew about the treasure because "my third wife's brother's neighbour's cousin was married to a McDuck".
Quote:There are still 4 characters left to discover, 3 of which were unseen. We're looking for:
- 2 Scottish ancestors
- 1 heroic American ancestor
- 1 invoked aunt
Hints:
- Two of the missing relatives were used or mentioned in a different medium than comics.
- Anyone named Duck is obviously included.
- Try to find a story in which Gyro sends something to Donald to get it fixed, instead of the opposite.
The second version of Carl Barks' tree was made ca. 40 years after the first version & ca. 20 years after Barks gave that first version away to a fan. By then, Barks had simply forgotten about the adoption.
Quote from user: ArildDaisy's Aunt Matilda?
Correct! :)
Quote from user: ArildThe wife of Diamond Dick. His third wife was a McDuck on her great grandfather's side
Correct! :) Well, I meant Diamond Dick himself, but his third wife and her great grandfather obviously do count as well. I hadn't thought of that.
The Dutch translation obliterated the family relationship. Diamond Dick knew about the treasure because "my third wife's brother's neighbour's cousin was married to a McDuck".
Quote:There are still 4 characters left to discover, 3 of which were unseen. We're looking for:
- 2 Scottish ancestors
- 1 heroic American ancestor
- 1 invoked aunt
Hints:
- Two of the missing relatives were used or mentioned in a different medium than comics.
- Anyone named Duck is obviously included.
- Try to find a story in which Gyro sends something to Donald to get it fixed, instead of the opposite.
Arild
Barks Quiz
Message 73 -
2012-01-18 at 19:14:59
Donald's sainted aunt Pin tail :D
, or General Stonewall Duck (same story).
, or General Stonewall Duck (same story).
Michiel P
Barks Quiz
Message 74 -
2012-01-18 at 21:27:01
Quote from user: ArildDonald's sainted aunt Pin Tail :D
Correct! :) Now, "Oh, my sainted aunt!" (or "My aunt!") is just an exclamation of surprise or distress, but "Pin Tail" clearly refers to an aquatic bird, which makes it likely that she's an existing family member. The name wouldn't fit just anybody's aunt.
Quote from user: ArildGeneral Stonewall Duck (same story).
Correct! :) In "The Village Blacksmith" it's never stated that the General is a family member, but his last name is Duck, so there. It's not clear why Don Rosa didn't include him in the tree.
After all, Rosa *did* include Matey McDuck and Bo'sn Pintail, who are not necessarily family members, but "previous incarnations" of Donald and Scrooge. (In "Back to Long Ago", Pintail's last name is never specified.) The same goes for Cornelius Coot, who can only be surmised to be family on account of his sharing a last name with "cousin Cuthbert Coot", who *is* family.
Note that General Stonewall Duck is named after Confederate general Stonewall Jackson.
Quote:We're still looking for:
- Two Scottish ancestors [...] from a different medium than comics.
Correct! :) Now, "Oh, my sainted aunt!" (or "My aunt!") is just an exclamation of surprise or distress, but "Pin Tail" clearly refers to an aquatic bird, which makes it likely that she's an existing family member. The name wouldn't fit just anybody's aunt.
Quote from user: ArildGeneral Stonewall Duck (same story).
Correct! :) In "The Village Blacksmith" it's never stated that the General is a family member, but his last name is Duck, so there. It's not clear why Don Rosa didn't include him in the tree.
After all, Rosa *did* include Matey McDuck and Bo'sn Pintail, who are not necessarily family members, but "previous incarnations" of Donald and Scrooge. (In "Back to Long Ago", Pintail's last name is never specified.) The same goes for Cornelius Coot, who can only be surmised to be family on account of his sharing a last name with "cousin Cuthbert Coot", who *is* family.
Note that General Stonewall Duck is named after Confederate general Stonewall Jackson.
Quote:We're still looking for:
- Two Scottish ancestors [...] from a different medium than comics.
Robb_K
Barks Quiz
Message 75 -
2012-01-19 at 01:08:33
Quote from user: Michiel PQuote from user: ArildDonald's sainted aunt Pin Tail :D
Correct! :) Now, "Oh, my sainted aunt!" (or "My aunt!") is just an exclamation of surprise or distress, but "Pin Tail" clearly refers to an aquatic bird, which makes it likely that she's an existing family member. The name wouldn't fit just anybody's aunt.
Quote from user: ArildGeneral Stonewall Duck (same story).
Correct! :) In "The Village Blacksmith" it's never stated that the General is a family member, but his last name is Duck, so there. It's not clear why Don Rosa didn't include him in the tree.
After all, Rosa *did* include Matey McDuck and Bo'sn Pintail, who are not necessarily family members, but "previous incarnations" of Donald and Scrooge. (In "Back to Long Ago", Pintail's last name is never specified.) The same goes for Cornelius Coot, who can only be surmised to be family on account of his sharing a last name with "cousin Cuthbert Coot", who *is* family.
Note that General Stonewall Duck is named after Confederate general Stonewall Jackson.
Quote:We're still looking for:
- Two Scottish ancestors [...] from a different medium than comics.
I suspect that "Pintail" is the Boson's family name, and we don't know his Christian (given) name.
Correct! :) Now, "Oh, my sainted aunt!" (or "My aunt!") is just an exclamation of surprise or distress, but "Pin Tail" clearly refers to an aquatic bird, which makes it likely that she's an existing family member. The name wouldn't fit just anybody's aunt.
Quote from user: ArildGeneral Stonewall Duck (same story).
Correct! :) In "The Village Blacksmith" it's never stated that the General is a family member, but his last name is Duck, so there. It's not clear why Don Rosa didn't include him in the tree.
After all, Rosa *did* include Matey McDuck and Bo'sn Pintail, who are not necessarily family members, but "previous incarnations" of Donald and Scrooge. (In "Back to Long Ago", Pintail's last name is never specified.) The same goes for Cornelius Coot, who can only be surmised to be family on account of his sharing a last name with "cousin Cuthbert Coot", who *is* family.
Note that General Stonewall Duck is named after Confederate general Stonewall Jackson.
Quote:We're still looking for:
- Two Scottish ancestors [...] from a different medium than comics.
I suspect that "Pintail" is the Boson's family name, and we don't know his Christian (given) name.