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[Wm. Hathaway erroneously sent this to me, instead of to the list: /PS]

Date: 06 May 1993 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: HATHAWAY at stsci.edu
Subject: Re: This and that
To: starback at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE

Hi -

Last week I got a pastcard from Russ Cochran (sp?) - formerly
of Gladstone. The card said that he has separated his business
connection with another person from Gladstone and was going on
with a separate business and was asking if recipients of the
postcards wanted to be on his new mailing list.
(Paraphrase - I don't have the card with me - his grammer
was better than mine.)

Has anyone else gotten such a postcard and is there any info
on what is going on? Anything we should know? Is there
trouble with the publishing or is this just a not-unexpected
evolution of different interests/products??? I'm all for
more people getting involved with producing Duck stuff, but
I'm curious if this is a positive/negative/neutral development.

Thanks,
Wm. Hathaway
Baltimore MD

Dear fellow fans of Disney,

Some questions for Don Rosa...

Don, when we talked some years-ago about "DUCK TALES", you had
mentioned how much you enjoyed the show. You said and I quote:
"It's far better than that G.I.JOE-junk, garbage, that the
American youth-public have been forcibly expose to for the last
10 or 15 years!" end quote. You also said on the some subject:
"I think that Launchpad Mc Quack is one of the best new
characters that I've seen in the last 10 or 20 years!" Now I
understand what you meant by comparing the difference between the
Barks stories and DUCK TALES with D.C. Comics characters (like
Batman) with their SUPERFRIENDS counterparts. Yet, to utterly
destroy the show because of it's a "kiddie" version of Bark's
classic is a bit drastic. However I still would love to see you
do the spoof on "D.T." that you discussed once before on this
list. Let's go back to Launchpad for a moment, shall we. I
remember in one of our many conversations, you had muttered
something about utilizing him as one of your generic background
characters in some of your stories!! Do you ever think that you
will ever do this?? While I'm are talk "L.P." how do you feel
about "DARKWING DUCK" (I know you probably *HATE* it! -- right?),
just thought I'd ask.

Per, thank you ever so much for the invitation to join this
little forum. I've have thoroughly enjoyed being part of this
list on Disney comics! You people have actually made a very bad
year for me a lot more bearable. Although I will not be on
campus this summer... I will be in from time to time to check my
E-mail, work on some art projects and *perhaps* send off a few
messages. Therefore you won't be hearing as much out of me as
you usually do (don't all applaud at once!). It's been loads of
fun and thanks for being there for me when I really needed you
the most!

Thanks again for everything,

Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>

Lost Messages?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is a warning to all recent posters. I recently said that you
shouldn't think your messages didn't get through just because you got
a bounce message. Well, recently I goofed up with the list of
subscribers in a way that I think means that your messages really got
lost, so if you sent something after that message of mine and it's not
in this list of recent postings it didn't get through -- please resend
it!

Wm. Hathaway (via me) Russ Cochran
Ola Torstensson The Duck of Africa (?)
Gilbert Milburn Questinons & Special Thanks!
Luigi Bevilacqua Warning: this letter can be dangerous...bis

News at the ftp archive (ftp.lysator.liu.se:pub/comics/disney)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have now created a new subdirectory "characters" for lists and
descriptions of Disney characters. I put Rich Bellacera's list of
recurring characters there and the first "HOOZOO" file as well as a
new version (2.0b) of the "International Disney Comic Character Names"
that I got from Fredrik Ekman.

Life of Scrooge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ola Torstensson:
> Which part is this - number six? I think I've missed a few parts.

The Life of Scrooge section in the Don Rosa index at the ftp archive
now (I just updated it!) says (slightly reformatted as the American
and Dutch columns were all whitespace anyway):

> Code Scan Pg Title
> =============================================================
> D 91308 K92-33(DN)15 LS1 The Last of the Clan McDuck
> D 91411 K92-33(DN)28 LS2 The Master of the Mississippi
> D 92008 K92-47(S) 15 LS3 The Buckaroo of the Badlands
> K92-45(D)
> D 92083 K93-02 15 LS4 The King of the Copper Hill
> (aka The Flash in the Copper Pan)
> D 92191 K93-11 15 LS5 The New Laird of Castle McDuck
> D 92273 K93-18 12 LS6 (... of Africa?)
> LS7
> LS8 The Argonaut of White Agony Creek
> (aka The King of the Klondike) [in three parts]
>
> The series on Scrooge's life will be twelve (?) stories in all.
> Don Rosa is currently (April 1993) working on part 10.

Of course I'd be happy if Don would supply us with some more info.

Ola again:
> Though I wonder how many Swedish little kiddies will understand the
> "Wizard of Oz" reference. <grin>

Well, I did. :-)

-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Luigi wrote:
> - All the ducks are NAKED below their ...ehm... navel.
> They wear only shirts or jackets!
> But they wear hats...
> ...
> - Sometimes MM has not shoes, but he has ALWAYS gloves: WHY?

Why not? Maybe a Duckburgian might be astonished that you are NAKED
on your ...ehm... hands. And marvel about someone sometimes not
wearing a shirt, but ALWAYS trousers!

That there are dog-animals and dog-humans, mouse-animals and
mouse-humans etc. is no problem to me. It's only a bit troublesome
with characters like Chip & Dale who sometimes cross the boundary in
some ways. So I rather think it strange when, in Barks's "The Gilded
Man", the ducks' find it discomforting to find stuffed (animal) ducks.

> - When Goofy become SuperGoofy he doesn't wear any mask,
> but NOBODY recognize him!! Are not they all fools?

Maybe that is somehow part of his super powers? By the way, the name
is "Super Goof" without an ending y. If there'd been one then the
similarity of names would of course make anyone realize that they are
the same. :-)

Finally I'd like to remind you all of my quote quiz. There are only a
few days left to enter it before the deadline. (Mail your answers to
me Wednesday or sooner *Greenwich Mean Time*. So better mail it
Tuesday if you live in America.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Ta ta, boys! I'll see you in the funny papers!"

COMMENTS ON DIGEST:

I just had a looong message "returned" to me as "undeliverable". I didn't see its contents posted in this last digest. Perhaps it'll
be in digest 14 -- we'll see.
Someone asked about "Duck of Africa" (which is supposed to be entitled "The Terror of the Transvaal", originally titled "The Prey of
the Transvaal Viper"). Where was the "Wizard of Oz" reference? Maybe I've forgotten my own dialogue... or did Mr. Dios add something?
Anyway, in those panels where $McD is turning the bad guy into the sheriff, the dialogue was just something like "Here's a bad guy"
and the badguy saying --- no, I remember... it was a small gag where $crooge says "here's a bushwhacker" and the Boer says, "I never
whacked a bush in my life. I swear"... sort of a running gag where he swears innocence to everything all through the story. And yes,
the upcoming 3-parter is "The Argonaut of White Agony Creek" where $crooge finally becomes rich.
Did someone want a list of future episodes? #7 is "The Dreamtime Duck of the Never Never", part 8 is the one in the Yukon, part 9
is "The Billionaire of Dismal Downs, part 10 is "The Invader of Fort Duckburg". I'm currently writing part 11, another 3 parter, and I
have yet to pick a title.

Someone asked if I'd ever use Launchpad, even as a gag background character. Sure, I'd do that, since I like the guy. BUT I don't
think I'd better since readers would see that use as my acknowleding the cexistance of the DuckTales characters in my Duck universe.
So I'd better leave them alone.
As for Darkwing Duck, I like the show, what little I've seen of it (I don't watch much on TV except old movies). But again, I see it
as a universe unto itself, apart from all other Disney universes... and I AM a bit bothered, as I was by ROGER RABBIT, that Disney
moves further along its course of abandonning its own image in favor of the Warner Brothers style that TV watching Americans have come
to prefer. I'm sure it's the right thing to do, but I don't hafta like it.

I saw this letter in rec.arts.disney. I thought it was interesting enough
to forward it to this list.

(and Don: yes, I received your comments on digests #14 and #15.)

--Harry.

From: 96dag at williams.edu (David A Gerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Comics
Date: 6 May 1993 21:20:45 -0400
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Dear Folks (and esp. Mr. Lawton)

Gladstone's comics aren't going to be quite the same this time
around as they were in the late 1980s.

First of all, Mickey Mouse is NOT going to be the main
character in "Mickey and Donald." The comic, though taking up where
"Mickey and Donald" left off in Mar. 1990 (the first Disney Comics
issues being cover-dated June 1990), is now called "Donald and Mickey"
and gives Donald the lead spot.

The Gladstone line will be all BIMONTHLY, at least at first.
They're testing the water: with some success, their line will expand
so that the titles come out more often.

DONALD AND MICKEY: Mixture of medium-length Donald stories
and medium-length Mickey stories (13 pgs. for each character). The
Mickey stories in this book will be mainly the post-1930s stuff by
folks like Paul Murry, Bill Wright, and perhaps Romano Scarpa. There
may also be Floyd Gottfredson's Sunday gags here and there.
DONALD DUCK: Mixture of short DD stories by Carl Barks,
Danish and Dutch artists, William Van Horn and Don Rosa.
DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES: Long DD stories by Carl Barks,
Italian, Danish and Dutch artists, and perhaps Van Horn and Rosa.
UNCLE SCROOGE: Mixture of short US and Beagle Boys stories by
Carl Barks, Danish and Dutch artists, Van Horn and Rosa.
UNCLE SCROOGE ADVENTURES: Long US stories by Barks, Italian,
Danish and Dutch artists, Van Horn and Rosa.
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES: Mixture of Donald Duck
10-page stories by Barks and Van Horn, Li'l Bad Wolf and other 4-6
pg. shorts, and Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey 1930s strips beginning
with "Lair of Wolf Barker," which is from 1933 (previously in a 1987
Gladstone Album, but now with airbrushed computer color) The
Gottfredson stuff will be published in serial form, a little hard
while we're on bimonthly issues, but with some success that will
change.

The only thing I'm nervous about with this line is Mickey.
What title are they going to use to test Mickey's selling power? It
took so much money to reformat Gottfredson's old strips into comic
books that Gladstone LOST MONEY on their old (1986-90) Mickey book,
yet Gottfredson also has apparently much more respectable sales than
most MM artists, so if there's anyone who should lead off a MM regular
book, it's him.
Yet there's no way Gladstone can gauge the sales of such
material now. The only place where Mickey actually appears on the
cover is D&M, and due to the nature of the Mickey stories they're
running the version shown in the cover art will have to be the
less-saleable-in-comic-books post-1940s Mickey. What's more, the only
Gottfredson stories they're running seem to be those that were already
in their early albums. I'm sure the new printings will have better
color, but how saleable will they be?
Also, Gottfredson's stories are so long that even in serial
form, if WDC&S is only a 26-page book, they'll have LONG chapters.
That means that there's very little room in WDC&S for non-Duck and
non-Mickey stuff.

I honestly think that Gottfredson should really be in D&M with
the Paul Murry stuff in WDC&S. Those are in 8-pg. parts and thus
there's more room for other non-Duck, non-Mickey stuff in the only
book that can handle it.

Other than this one comment, I have little to complain about
for the Gladstone books, and I don't think I'll have much to grouse
about in the future, because I loved Gladstone's old books (I have a
complete selection of them) and if that's anything to go by, these
will be great. They're gonna have Disney's good paper quality, I
might add.

Mickey fans: I hope you didn't miss, however, Disney's issues
#582-83 and #585 of WDC&S. The first two contained a
hitherto-unreprinted Gottfredson story (his personal favorite) from
1936. It had been banned for featuring atomic power, but that ban was
lifted now and the story is SUPERB. #585 contains an extremely early
story from 1931 with a version of Mickey right out of "Steamboat
Willie," one of Gottfredson's earliest stories. (The fifth he worked
on from the start.)

Please, everyone, write in to Gladstone and give them your
best. I'm all for them. Also, write all the letters you can for a
Mickey title, particularly one with classic Gottfredson. We could use
it. And in the meantime, what do you fellow Mouse enthusiasts think
of switching the Mickey artists in WDC&S and D&M?

Also, if you can take it, buy two of every comic with
Gottfredson's work in it. The better they sell, the more likely we'll
see a Mickey title... and you can sell your doubles for more in five
years.

Gladstone's first issues may come out at ANY TIME. They will
be WDC&S 586, DDA 21 (they're picking up where THEIR old DDA series
left off, NOT Disney's) and US 281. They may be even beginning to
show up in comic shops THIS WEEK. Next month we get the first issues
of their other three books, and in July the cycle begins again.

Gottfredson fans: I'd recommend heartily ALL Gladstone issues
of MM, as well as Disney's WDC&S #562, 563, 567-572, 575, 580-583, 585
and GOOFY ADVS. #9. All of these feature at least some of his work.
(Mickey Mouse Advs. #10 is not his work, despite the credits given)

The reason for the cutdown in 1991 was that Disney's first
1-1/2 years of comics were done by Len Wein, a fellow from Marvel. If
anyone was reading those, you probably noticed that they had very
garish colors, Marvel-like attitudes to stories, and often very crowded
art. This was an attempt to sell Disneys to the superhero crowd. Of
course, most superhero fans found it beneath their DIGNITY (sniff!) to
buy 'kids' stuff like Disneys, and Disney fans were alienated by
bizarre approaches to their favorite characters (their Mickey Mouse
Advs. title, particularly, after the first ten issues, owed nothing to
Gottfredson and had very colorless, "action" stories which were
basically long chases with little personality. There was also a rule
that no Gottfredson could be used in that title: too old-fashioned).
When the sales figures for the first year showed interest taking a
nosedive, Len went elsewhere and collectors who were formerly under
him took over. Since then, the Disneys have been occasionally
excellent and at least pretty doggoned good. But most people haven't
noticed, since the gigantic post-Wein cutdown turned many fans off
completely. I don't know why, because since then the books have been
far better.

The complete run of Disney Comics from WD Publishing (NOT
INCLUDING Cartoon Tales softback books) was:

ALADDIN GN.
(RETURN OF) ALADDIN 1-2.
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST GN.
(NEW ADVS. OF) BEAUTY AND THE BEAST 1-2.
CHIP 'N' DALE'S RESCUE RANGERS 1-19.
DARKWING DUCK 1-4.
DISNEY COMICS ALBUMS 1-8.
DISNEY COMICS IN 3-D 1.
DONALD AND SCROOGE GN.
DONALD DUCK ADVS 1-38.
DUCKTALES 1-18.
DUCKTALES: THE MOVIE GN.
GOOFY ADVENTURES 1-17.
JUNGLE BOOK GN.
JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS 1-4.
LITTLE MERMAID GN.
LITTLE MERMAID 1-4.
MICKEY MOUSE ADVENTURES 1-18.
101 DALMATIANS GN.
PETER PAN GN.
RESCUERS DOWN UNDER GN.
ROGER RABBIT 1-18.
ROGER RABBIT IN 3-D 1. (May never have been distributed. I do
have a copy, however)
ROGER RABBIT'S TOONTOWN 1-5.
SEBASTIAN 1-2.
SHIPWRECKED GN.
TALESPIN 1-4 (LIMITED SERIES), 1-7 (REGULAR SERIES)
UNCLE SCROOGE 243-280.
WALT DISNEY'S AUTUMN ADVENTURES 1-2.
WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES 548-585.
WALT DISNEY'S HOLIDAY PARADE 1-2.
WALT DISNEY'S SPRING FEVER 1.
WALT DISNEY'S SUMMER FUN 1.
WHITE FANG GN.

Many projects that were advertised were never released: for
example, many #18s and #19s of titles that were curtailed; a Roger
Rabbit GN "I Hate Toons"; a Mickey GN "Space Mickey" (this story WAS
broken up and printed in the Disney Adv. Digest which isn't listed
here); a Scrooge GN "The Oak Island Treasure"; a Super Goof Comic
Album Special (actually released as Disney Comics Albums #8); and I
think that's it. Most of these ARE listed in the Overstreet Price
Guide, which quite obviously made the fatal error of listing what was
SOLICITED, not what was actually published. This really casts a lot
of doubt as to how accurate Overstreet is...

Well, I've gotta go. This may be my last major letter for a
while as finals are coming up. Anyway, I'll try to answer most
questions about Disney comics that are fielded my way, just send 'em
to me at David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu

Your friend,

David Gerstein

"Ya've gotta just swallow hard an' tell yerself, 'The Mail
Must Go Through!' An' when you're done... ya feel just swell!"
-- Mickey Mouse, "The Mail Pilot" by Floyd
Gottfredson, 1933

----- End forwarded message

>From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>
>I love Jippes art --he is the absolute tops of modern Duck
>artists.... but again, he doesn't write his own stories, and whoever
>DOES write them doesn't seem too inspired. Of course, his current
>revamping of the old Barks JW stories is interesting!

Are these current JW stories being published in the U.S.?

Don Rosa:
> I love Jippes art --he is the absolute tops of modern Duck
> artists.... but again, he doesn't write his own stories, and whoever
> DOES write them doesn't seem too inspired. Of course, his current
> revamping of the old Barks JW stories is interesting!

Mark Semich:
> Are these current JW stories being published in the U.S.?

I have not seen them in the USA (yet). I hope Gladstone will reprint them.
(And I guess none of them has been reprinted yet outside Holland.)

Jippes has done 6 stories up to now, for the Dutch Disney publisher:

story Dutch Title (lower case) Barks' Story code
issue script date

JW 8b 92-07 bad day for troop 'a' 70-01-01 H 9202
JW 11a 92-43 traitor in the ranks 70-10-26 H 9285
JW 12b 92-13 storm dancers 71-02-04 H 9212
JW 13a 92-29 the day the mountain shook 71-05-04 H 9251
JW 13b gold of the '49ers 71-05-25 (?)
JW 14 92-01 duckmade disaster 71-07-30 H 9201

The Dutch publisher wanted to reprint ALL Barks' work, but they didn't
Tony Strobl's and Kay Wright's art. So they let Jippes redraw the stories.
Jippes agreed to do this, because he needed the money! Let's hope he
will finish (re)drawing ALL the JW stories...

--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"