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David, thanks to your clarifications on the colouring of the boys. I
will edit my article on HD&L a bit and then put it in the "characters"
directory at the archive, hoping that the rest of you will follow suit
and tackle other FAQs.

Don:
> I hate to see him [me, that is] refer to my upcoming Family Tree as
> a "revision"! I tried VERY hard not to do any recreating of past Barks
> facts... but sometimes we had to examine the various past versions and
> choose the most reasonable or appropriate combination of them.

What's wrong about it being a revision? I haven't seen it of course,
but what I've understood from what you've written about it it's a
revision of Barks's old tree, and I don't see anything derogatory
about that. It needed to be revised.

Wilmer:
> Are "Huey, Dewey, and Louie Duck" the real names of Donald's nephews?

The surname: Yes, I'm sure the nephews surname really has appeared as
Duck several times, even though I can't think of any now. I don't
think they changed their last name when adopted, but how would I know?
Their mother is only listed with the surname Duck in the family trees
though.

First names:
> "Huey" is a perfectly O.K. name in English,

So it's not a strangely spelt nickname for Hugh? I think I've seen
Huey's name spelt "Hughy" or something like that in some cartoons.

> (...) but "Dewey" is usually a familiar form of "Duane",

So that's what it is! I've only seen Dewey used as a last name except
for Dewey Duck, so I've wondered about it.

I've never seen their "official" names being Duane or Louis or
anything like that.

> Also, how old do you think they are in the stories?

Well, in WDC 42 (March 1944) they are planning on entering kite-flying
contest to which only kids under six are eligible. I guess they got a
little older later on, but not much.

> What grade are they in at school?

In WDC 99 (December 1948) one of the nephews refers to having had to
stay in after kindergarten because he didn't know how many inches in a
foot. (Well, that doesn't *have* to have been just the other day,
even if that's the impression you get.)

The next month, WDC 100, we see their school, and Donald leads them to
a door beside a sign "CLASSROOMS GRADES 2-A, 2-B".

What other data points are there?

> And what are their exact ranks in the Junior Woodchucks?

In WDC 125 they have to pass O.R.St.B. to become Brigadier Generals,
and this is said to be the only way to become such. They did more
than they had to though, and got promoted to *five star* generals.
"Also you get *merit badges*!" Then in WDC 132 they got promoted "way
up in rank" to ten star generals. The next step is in WDC 150: "if we
can pass the drowning test, we become *exalted hightails*, which is
the next rank above ten-star generals!" "When we become exalted
hightails we can wear the tails of our caps on *top*, instead of
hanging down the back!"

Of course they become exalted hightails, and this is still their rank.
They also became "chevaliers of the honor guard", "rear adminrals of
the arctic snows", and "commandants of the hightails' hall of heroes"
by the way.

> Important questions, all!

Certainly!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"I was wondering when those confounded Junior Woodchucks
are going to run out of *titles*!"

Hi-

Before you call it quits on the HD&L FAQ file I thought I make some additional
comments/suggestions for inclusion:

1. I'm certain I have a comic story (which I mention in a previous posting
the last time the tykes were at issue on this mailing list) where Grandma Duck
made the Nephews 'personalized' sweaters. I distinctly seem to recall that
it was a one-pager (which may explain why quickly flipping through my entire
collection was a fruitless task). I do, however, clearly recall that the
color scheme was "H" on Red, "D" on Blue and "L" on Green. The reason I
mention this is because this story, chonologically, came long before the
Ducktales storyline. I would guess that there are other stories in which the
boys were wearing distinctive shirts when referred by name, but this is one
story where the emphasis was on matching a name to a color. This makes it
an important precedent story (for the colors only). If anyone can recall
where this story is found it would probably help out immensely. I figure it
is probably in a Duck Family Album or WDC&S.

2. Perhaps a small comment about the relationship of AM&J (April, May & June,
Daisy's Nieces) as HD&L's counterparts. As well as what exact role they play
in the pseudo-tortured lives of the Nephews (especially concerning their
"boys-will-be-boys" mentality). One good example is found in UNCLE DONALD AND
HIS NEPHEWS FAMILY FUN #38 (Dell Giant) where the girls leave love notes and
such and chase them The boys try to keep the girls at bay by hiding out in
their clubhouse and using campaigns like "No Girls Aloud" and calling
themselves mysogynists ("Women Haters"). However, by the end of the story
the boys are attacked by the Beagle Brats and subsequently beaten up by the
Nieces. The Beagle Boys find out their brats are fighting with girls and are
summarily punished. AM&J win the respect of HD&L, but the story is filled
with sexism, even to the point that the boys make the girls conform to a
masculine physical appearnce in order to enter the clubhous. But I digress...
;-) Definitely NOT one of Disney's shining moments in the realm of political
progress, but then much of Disney was based on the general social mores of the
time (e.g. FANTASIA's use of Black Stereotypes later editted out of the film's
re-releases).

3. In an upcoming series for the Disney Afternoon for DTA (Disney Television
Animation) the Nephews and Donald will be starring. The show is slated for
the Fall of 1995(?) to be the next series after ALADDIN to premeire, called
"DUCK DAZE." The show is in pre-product and, at this time, is to be about the
irracible Donald trying to raise three teenagers. There will be re-curring
appearances by Uncle $crooge and Prof. Von Drake. Also promised cameos by
Darkwing and Goof Troop characters. As I understand it U$ will be testing
Donald's worthiness to inherit his wealth from time-to-time. I also imagine
Prof. von Drake will probably be one of HD&L's High School instructors.

=============================================================================

As an aside, for those who care, I have had a letter published in WDC&S #568.

Y'all take care.

-Rich

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From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at compuserve.com>
To: <disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: Digest #20
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COMMENTS ON #20:
Why was someone in there asking about Archie comics??? Where did that come from???

No, I never tried to reread that long message that I had trouble with during the thunderstorm. It was reeealy tricky to try to keep
it on screen with all the line noise -- I had to keep my finger on the "backspace" button to prevent the lightning from commanding
the system to throw me off the E-mail string. And being such a loooong message, I gave up trying to recall it and fight my way all
the way to the end again to see what I missed. In the meanwhile, I guess I erased the message. Anyway, you seem to have found the parts
I missed...
Yes, there IS a long adventure story that I did especially for Norway's "Year of the Book" which WILL have some alternate panels
when/if used by Gladstone. But... how did anyone KNOW about all that??? Did I pop off about it somewhere? I don't recall...
And yes, I will ask Gladstone to make some small changes in the "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" when they use it; probably just
dialogue changes. The biggest one involves part 3 where I had $crooge meeting the "Professor from Birmingham" in 1882. I'm embarrassed
to say that the panel where the vicuna hunter in "Lost in the Andes" tells of the professor's death had slipped my mind -- or perhaps
I'd always thoughtlessly figured he was referring to some OTHER visitor to Plain Awful (though I see it's clear he isn't). Anyway,
I'll need to rewrite the dialogue to make the old man to be the museum agent who bought the eggs from the padre in Cuzco. This, however,
doesn't explain why the museum forgot what the eggs were, and it sorta knocks the stuffing out of the whole reason for the scene.
Well, I got careless for an instant, and that's what happened. I hope readers will point out other goofs so I can correct them, too,
in future printings.
As for HD&L's history, Per has it all down. I hate to see him refer to my upcoming Family Tree as a "revision"! I tried VERY hard not to
do any recreating of past Barks facts... but sometimes we had to examine the various past versions and choose the most reasonable or
appropriate combination of them. I sought the advice of Duck fans around the world while constructing that Tree over several years
because I knew I was dealing with characters that belong to ALL of us, not just whoever was doing the Tree (which happened to be me).
TALESPIN: Yes, those were the titles of the two episodes I wrote. They were also the first two episodes written and the first two
produced. The "pilot" or origin episodes were written and produced much later... I've never even seen those. In fact, I've never seen
an episode of the series other than the tapes they sent me of my two episodes. I just don't have much interest in TV cartoons, and seeing
the behind-the-scenes of their production didn't fill me with fascination.

I'm interested in learning more about Disney
comics and buying more!!

By the way Torsten sent me.

Regards,

Rob Schorzman (590-2768) (rob at .cs.itc.hp.com)

Don Rosa wrote:
>... my stories all take place in the early-mid 50s.

Yes, I've read about that before. And that has also made me wondering:
What about those stories (like "When the Duck fell to Earth" (trans-
lation of the Swedish title) and "The Island at the Edge of Time")
where modern equipment (satellites in those two examples) play an
important role? The first satellite wasn't sent up until 1957, and
satellites equipped for searching for minerals probably didn't arrive
until several years after that.

Of course, I realize that this could just be an example of "artistic
freedom". Or is there some other explanation?

I also wonder if there is any "internal continuity" in your stories.
Like: "Son of the Sun" comes before "Mythological Menagerie" which
comes before "Return to Plain Awful". I realize, of course, that the
stories can be read in any order, but do they take place in any
particular order (say, chronologically)?

/Fredrik Ekman

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Finally time to write something, this education is killing me slowly :)

I, like everyone else, would like to complete my collection of Don Rosa's
stories for Disney/Gladstone/Egmont, etc.
At this time I have a copy of all his work, except:

"Give unto Others" & "On a Silver Platter", which (as far as I'm informed)
were printed in M&D #17 & U$ADV #20.

I would _ really _ like to get my hands on these two, even xeroxed copies
would be appreciated... (I don't know if I'm violating any incredibly complex
copyright laws by saying this)...

So if _ you _ would like to help a fellow disneyfreak, e-mail me at the adress
below, and we'll discuss it on a private e-mail basis.

/Jan

P.S.: Excuse my bad english, but I've had a _ very _ hard day designing
databases.

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then again, I think that rain | d24 at dec5102.aarhues.dk
is wet so who am I to judge?" |
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Well, that digest #22 was all for me. How nize.

TIME in my stories. I maintain (as more a private bit of knowledge than anything else) that my stories take place in the early-mid...
sometimes late 50's. However, I am well aware of times that certain things in the background might violate that SLIGHTLY -- and so
far it has been in the form of satellites in two different stories; the ones in "The Duck Who Fell to Earth" and a Brutopian "Sputnik"
in "The Curse of Nostrildamus". I always draw them as 1957 style Rooski Sputniks (and in fact called that one same), so I think a
satellite here and there doesn't violate my time frame. However, OTHER things do, such as there being LOTS of satellites in orbit
"Duck...Fell...", a weather satellite with a camera being used by a TV weatherman in that same story (the gag wasn't worth it, so I
shoulda lost that'n), and some reference to a giany hamburger chain a la McDonald's in the second tale I ever did (which I can't recall
the title of!).
And someone suspected the truth: I do not see my stories taking place in chronological order unless they are stated as such in internal
references. We've been reading reprints for decades -- and that's sorta my whole idea of setting my tales in the 50's... I like to
imagine them as reprints from the very years when I was reading those comics. Harry is right -- there is a tremendous amount of lil'
hidden tidbits in the stories; one detail that pinpointed the year a story was taking place was a ledger on page one of "Last Sled
to Dawson" which read "1954"... and I think I did the same thing with some ledger books in "Cash Flow". As I've said, anyone who
gets out his history books and follows "The Life of $crooge" chapters closely will be able to tell exactly which year, 1877-1947,
that each story is taking place. Also, another detail that shows that my stories are out of chronological order (not those "Life of"
stories, of course - they're IN order) was in my very first comic "The Son of the Sun" where one exhibit in the McDuck show was for
the treasure of Croesus -- a treasure that $crooge once dreamed of, but never was shown to find. That treasure is perhaps one of the
MOST famous in history, and I have planned to do the search for it since 1987, but I've yet to get to it.
Also, I'd originally imagined that "Return to Plain Awful" took place in 1950, shortly after the original (they were returning those
chickens)... but I guess I screwed up because (as someone said) I made references to "Son of the Sun" which had to have taken place
much later, considering all those museum exhibits. Ahhhh, sue me.
By the way, the early existance of satellites in my tales cannot be explained (in MY eyes) by that story which stated that Duckburg
was far advanced than the rest of the world -- that tale showed Duckburg as apparantly a city with 23rd century architecture, its own
space stations, citizens zooming about in mini-rockets -- That's all utter nonsense! That's one of Barks' tales that I regard as a
dream Donald had after eating pickle-flavored ice-cream, or perhaps it was an episode of that DUCKTALES show that the kids in Duckburg
watch on TV. Duckburg is a very ordinary, large but not HUGE city in Calisota. (And as for its PRECISE location, you'll need to get
out your atlas' and compare the coastline of Calisota that I show on a map in part 10.)

Jan Lund Thomsen wrote:

> Disney have been hyping this since US$273, anyone out there who knows when
> it is _actually_ going to be published?!?
>
> I heard a rumour somewhere, saying that Disney wouldn't publish it because
> it was about indians. Any truth in this?

I once stated that on this list, quoting Don Rosa in an interview. He said
the Disney editors did not even care whether the Indians were good guys
or bad guys, just the fact that there _are_ Indians in the story is enough
to reject it.
(Well, Don: correct me if I'm wrong 8-)

--Harry.

BTW: The story "On a silver platter" is to be published by Egmont, the only
question is: when. The Dutch publisher gave the story to Egmont, so that Egmont
could colour it and then return it to Holland... This means that this
"Dutch" story will *first* be published in Scandinavia, and *then* in Holland.