Dear Folks,
Just reread the "of mice and ducks" arguments and I noticed
that someone challenged me to come up with stories in which Mickey's
personality sets the story moving. A few examples:
1931 "MM vs. Kat Nipp" Mickey hears of the town bully Katt
Nipp, decides that his ugly shack on the wrong side of the tracks
would be better as a playground for kids and decides to singlehandedly
cause Nipp's downfall.
1931 "MM Circus Roustabout" (in this month's WDC&S I might
add) Mickey's attempts to sneak into a circus without pay cause him to
accidentally acquire a job. His desire to make good then accidentally
traps him in a power struggle between the Skeleton Man and his boss.
1931 "MM Boxing Champion" Mickey starts a rivalry right away
with Minnie's cousin Ruffhouse, the boxer, by assuming he's a rival
suitor and socking him down unprovoked. This sets up a showdown
between the two, and when Mickey wins, Ruffhouse realizes Mickey's got
something he doesn't have and he'd better learn from him. Thus,
Mickey becomes his trainer.
1933 "The Mail Pilot" Mickey, defying Minnie's wish that he
get a normal job, decides to become a mail pilot and aggressively
works at mastering the craft of plane-flying until he's a success.
And then the intrigue begins...
1939 "The Miracle Master" Mickey hopes to show up Minnie's
antique-collecting mania, so after a Barks-like succession of
schemes-that-build, he finally accidentally encounters a genuine magic
lamp, and the story takes off. Mickey's personality has set up the
whole plot.
1938 "Mighty Whale Hunter" Mickey (again!) exuberantly defies
Minnie by signing on a whaling ship in search of adventure. Then his
personality plays an integral function in the plot when his sympathy
for whales and condemnation of whaling (in 1938!) set him against the
others in the crew, eventually framing him for wrecking the ship's
engines.
1942 "MM Working to Win" After seeing that Percy Pig has a job
in a war plant, Mickey decides to get one, too, then his old-fashioned
outlook comes into conflict with the women who work at the plant, all
of whom are better than him.
1946 "MM as Billy the Mouse" At his cousin Carrie's ranch,
Mickey decides to go undercover disguised as a bandit, but fails to
plan a method of subterfuge beforehand. Thus, his nervous attempts at
impersonation throw him into wild and unpredictable situations.
Those are just a few of the plots spawned directly FROM
Mickey. A few others ("The Crazy Crime Wave," "Island in the Sky,"
"Goofy and Agnes") are spawned by Goofy's personality; if you think
Goofy's personality is simple stupidity, that last story is
particularly enlightening.
I'm not denying that Gottfredson obviously loved the situation
of "Mickey getting sucked into an adventure against his will or
completely as a surprise". The same, albeit less frequently, is a
staple of Barks' stuff: for example, "Frozen Gold" (Donald really
DOESN'T want to get into that adventure!), "Adventure Down Under"
(Donald's hypnotized condition is no relation to his real personality,
and it could have happened to anyone!), "DD and the Titanic Ants,"
"Queen of the Wild Dog Pack," (Scrooge just finds something's wrong
and goes after it as a matter of business!) etc.
I'd really like to rewrite the "hoozoo" on Mickey. It seems
completely derived from the post-Gottfredson mouse, as epitomized by
the words "nice guy," denoting someone inneffectual and boring. Words
to describe Mickey are "enthusiastic," "overzealous," "emotional,"
"aggressive," "scheming" and even "chauvinistic" after a fashion
(Mickey often makes some crack about 'women' after a conflict with
Minnie, and is inevitably shown in the same daily to have the same
problem he's condemning! "The Miracle Master"'s first strip is the
best example of this). And how about 'conceited'? Mickey all too
often, particularly in the early stories, leaps before he looks.
The negative opinion so many Barks fans have of Mickey is, I
see now, almost entirely due to the prominence of Paul Murry's Mouse,
which just can't compete with Barks' Ducks. Does Gladstone know about
this? Maybe they ought to think about whether or not they really want
to have more recent artists in _Donald and Mickey_ or JUST Gottfredson
and Scarpa in both D&M _and_ WDC&S!
(Okay, I mean Murry's AND Bradbury's AND Moores'. Not to
slight individual talent, just their attitudes toward MICKEY.)
Again: Barks Fans, Gottfredson is No Murry! There's More to
Mickey than you Think...
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to run in front
of him!"
-- Mickey via WD, "Mickey Mouse in Death Valley"
Author
Topic: 199305
(145 messages)
David A Gerstein
More on Mickey...
Message 46 -
1993-05-12 at 05:34:31
David A Gerstein
Continuity
Message 47 -
1993-05-12 at 05:58:06
Dear Folks,
One interesting thing about "The Magic Box" (which I have not
seen) is that it was originally planned and contracted for Disney.
The later Van Horn stories Disney published were quite out of the
order they were done in, and "Magica's Missin' Magic" (as it was then
called) was to have been the backup in DiDDA #17. However, an earlier-made
story, "Kid Stuff," was substituted for it there, and indeed Disney
never did get around to buying the former story because of the decree
that their number of purchased original stories was to be slashed. It
would have been the next one bought (and from the looks of things at
the time, might have been put in DDA 22, where presumably "Kid Stuff"
was originally meant to appear).
Or so Bob Foster told me once.
The interesting thing about Baron Itzy Bitzy, the whistling
flea, (that's his real name, although it could be "Baron _Von_") is
that "The Whistling Ghost" in DT 10 is not his first appearance.
Earlier on he appeared in the four-page story, "Lost on a Dog," which
was in a Gladstone US issue!
It looks like this character is Van Horn's attempt at a
continuing character, a pet of the Ducks... and a most bizarre one,
since he doesn't have any real characteristics other than singing and
biting.
The solicitations for the third month of Disneys mention a new
Van Horn entitled "Out of Harmony's Way." Is this original for
Gladstone, or also European?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
One interesting thing about "The Magic Box" (which I have not
seen) is that it was originally planned and contracted for Disney.
The later Van Horn stories Disney published were quite out of the
order they were done in, and "Magica's Missin' Magic" (as it was then
called) was to have been the backup in DiDDA #17. However, an earlier-made
story, "Kid Stuff," was substituted for it there, and indeed Disney
never did get around to buying the former story because of the decree
that their number of purchased original stories was to be slashed. It
would have been the next one bought (and from the looks of things at
the time, might have been put in DDA 22, where presumably "Kid Stuff"
was originally meant to appear).
Or so Bob Foster told me once.
The interesting thing about Baron Itzy Bitzy, the whistling
flea, (that's his real name, although it could be "Baron _Von_") is
that "The Whistling Ghost" in DT 10 is not his first appearance.
Earlier on he appeared in the four-page story, "Lost on a Dog," which
was in a Gladstone US issue!
It looks like this character is Van Horn's attempt at a
continuing character, a pet of the Ducks... and a most bizarre one,
since he doesn't have any real characteristics other than singing and
biting.
The solicitations for the third month of Disneys mention a new
Van Horn entitled "Out of Harmony's Way." Is this original for
Gladstone, or also European?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Mark McConnell (MacBear)
Mickey stories
Message 48 -
1993-05-12 at 06:43:26
Now that we seem to have a few resident mouse experts on this list--
does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
It was probably a reprint, but the story was great. Lostralia is
the place where you lost socks go during washing, where lost change goes...
You get the picture.
I tend to go with the premise that the duck adventures work better
because of familiarity of characters. Most of the characters are ducks,
while the rest are somewhat related birds. Nothing to lend to confusion.
Of course, greater characterization didn't hurt.
Mark
does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
It was probably a reprint, but the story was great. Lostralia is
the place where you lost socks go during washing, where lost change goes...
You get the picture.
I tend to go with the premise that the duck adventures work better
because of familiarity of characters. Most of the characters are ducks,
while the rest are somewhat related birds. Nothing to lend to confusion.
Of course, greater characterization didn't hurt.
Mark
Torsten Wesley Adair
Digest #16
Message 49 -
1993-05-12 at 07:06:10
On 11 May 1993, Don Rosa wrote:
> COMMENTS ON DIGEST # whateveritwas:
> And I imagine those Dan Jippes/Carl Barks JW remakes will be used by
> Gladstone. Why not? Every Disney comic book story ever done anywhere on
> the planet is available to them for their use at the same price... free.
You mean I could move to some second world country where Disney comics
aren't published, get a license from Disney, and print Disney Comics?
Seriously, what does a Disney license cost? What's keeping some
entrepreneur from moving to some unknown country, and publishing Disney
material in such perfect form that these publications are sought after
like the Disney postage stamps?
(I guess Another Rainbow is doing this already, huh?)
I assume that if creator X sets up his own Disney license, the only
renumeration he would get would be from the sale of his publications.
I wonder if there is any "gentleman's agreement" between creators that
creators will not use another person's creation without first asking.
Sure, there is no legal argument here, as Disney owns the trademark and
copyright, but I still wonder.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> COMMENTS ON DIGEST # whateveritwas:
> And I imagine those Dan Jippes/Carl Barks JW remakes will be used by
> Gladstone. Why not? Every Disney comic book story ever done anywhere on
> the planet is available to them for their use at the same price... free.
You mean I could move to some second world country where Disney comics
aren't published, get a license from Disney, and print Disney Comics?
Seriously, what does a Disney license cost? What's keeping some
entrepreneur from moving to some unknown country, and publishing Disney
material in such perfect form that these publications are sought after
like the Disney postage stamps?
(I guess Another Rainbow is doing this already, huh?)
I assume that if creator X sets up his own Disney license, the only
renumeration he would get would be from the sale of his publications.
I wonder if there is any "gentleman's agreement" between creators that
creators will not use another person's creation without first asking.
Sure, there is no legal argument here, as Disney owns the trademark and
copyright, but I still wonder.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Torsten Wesley Adair
Various replies
Message 50 -
1993-05-12 at 07:46:07
On Tue, 11 May 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> It wasn't me who thought there was anything strange about that. I
> didn't the shrink ray thing in Van Horn's story was strange either, as
> I don't know much about how those things work anyway. How would I
> know if the carpet fibers ought to have become enlarged as well?
Torsten here. Having spent too much time reading Marvel Comics, and
trying to figure out how Spider-Man can stick to walls, I tend to question
science fiction when it appears in comic books. I guess my Suspension of
Disbelief needs to be loosened.
> Chris Lawton:
> > This is my first post to the comic mailing list so I'll take a moment to
> > introduce myself.
> Good move! Maybe that is something we all ought to do?
Ahem. My name is Torsten Adair. I am a library science student who hopes
to infiltrate libraries from the inside, and thus expose a greater number
of the American populace to the wonders and excitement of reading comic
books. I am 23 years old, and I once read the Dell/Western/Gold Key
Disneys as a child. I started collecting comic books in 1984, and bought
the early Gladstones. While not a devout Disney Comics collector, I do
enjoy the stories, and I find them a nice balance to the more heavier
Cerebus and Sandman. My mother comes from Hanover, Germany, which
explains how an American like myself got such a non-American name.
I have two questions:
What other Disney Comics stories (outside of the Ducks) should I
look at? Any other artists/writers? Any opinions on Disney Showcase?
I vaguely recall a Donald Duck story involving DD buying a lot of
plants for his garden? I am certain it was Barks. Did anyone besides
Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> It wasn't me who thought there was anything strange about that. I
> didn't the shrink ray thing in Van Horn's story was strange either, as
> I don't know much about how those things work anyway. How would I
> know if the carpet fibers ought to have become enlarged as well?
Torsten here. Having spent too much time reading Marvel Comics, and
trying to figure out how Spider-Man can stick to walls, I tend to question
science fiction when it appears in comic books. I guess my Suspension of
Disbelief needs to be loosened.
> Chris Lawton:
> > This is my first post to the comic mailing list so I'll take a moment to
> > introduce myself.
> Good move! Maybe that is something we all ought to do?
Ahem. My name is Torsten Adair. I am a library science student who hopes
to infiltrate libraries from the inside, and thus expose a greater number
of the American populace to the wonders and excitement of reading comic
books. I am 23 years old, and I once read the Dell/Western/Gold Key
Disneys as a child. I started collecting comic books in 1984, and bought
the early Gladstones. While not a devout Disney Comics collector, I do
enjoy the stories, and I find them a nice balance to the more heavier
Cerebus and Sandman. My mother comes from Hanover, Germany, which
explains how an American like myself got such a non-American name.
I have two questions:
What other Disney Comics stories (outside of the Ducks) should I
look at? Any other artists/writers? Any opinions on Disney Showcase?
I vaguely recall a Donald Duck story involving DD buying a lot of
plants for his garden? I am certain it was Barks. Did anyone besides
Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Rich.Bellacera
General stuff about the list
Message 51 -
1993-05-12 at 12:23:00
Per:
> What FAQ's are there anyway?
Some I can think of, off-hand, concern the color arangements of HD&L,
Grandma Duck's name and relationship to other characters (actually
this probably fits many characters). Are Donald & Daisy related?
Are Mickey & Minnie *really* married? Where is Duckburg (in the real
world) and what city does it represent? Do Mickey & Donald exist
in the same universe? Are "Ducktale" storys cannonical? Why is
Donald & Uncle $crooge popular and Mickey is not? What relationship
or business agreements did/do Disney, Gladstone, Western, Dell, and
Gold Key have? What titles are/were published? What is the difference
between the different comicbook markets around the world which carry
Disney titles? Who is Carl Barks, Don Rosa, Floyd Gottfriedson, etc.?
Hmmmm. I know there's more, but this would be a good start as some of
these questions have indeed been asked and someone could make a list in
some way tha would be helpful.
Are there any more?
I hope this isn't presumptous of me to ask these questions?
THanks
Rich
> What FAQ's are there anyway?
Some I can think of, off-hand, concern the color arangements of HD&L,
Grandma Duck's name and relationship to other characters (actually
this probably fits many characters). Are Donald & Daisy related?
Are Mickey & Minnie *really* married? Where is Duckburg (in the real
world) and what city does it represent? Do Mickey & Donald exist
in the same universe? Are "Ducktale" storys cannonical? Why is
Donald & Uncle $crooge popular and Mickey is not? What relationship
or business agreements did/do Disney, Gladstone, Western, Dell, and
Gold Key have? What titles are/were published? What is the difference
between the different comicbook markets around the world which carry
Disney titles? Who is Carl Barks, Don Rosa, Floyd Gottfriedson, etc.?
Hmmmm. I know there's more, but this would be a good start as some of
these questions have indeed been asked and someone could make a list in
some way tha would be helpful.
Are there any more?
I hope this isn't presumptous of me to ask these questions?
THanks
Rich
Rich.Bellacera
General stuff about the list
Message 52 -
1993-05-12 at 14:25:00
Actually some other questions that could be answered in a general FAQ, some
of which were covered previously in the Mailing List.
Such as What is the origin of Disney's Marsupilami cartoon character? What
other comics does Disney produce (i.e. reprints of ASTERIX, etc.)? What is
the purpose of Disney's new Hollywood Comics line (which recently published
the "Dinosaurs" softback comics based on the animatronics TV series of the
same name from Disney/Touchstone)? How do the old '30s thru '60s Disney
cartoons and the Disney Afternoon (as well as other DTA {Disney Television
Animation}) relate to the current and past comics? Why do all of the character
s have only "nephews" and "nieces" as oppose to "sons" and "daughters" (with
the possible exception of Goofy & Pete's sons Goofy Jr. and Pete Jr.)?
I'm sure there are other good questions based on postings since this list
began.
Thanx.
-Rich
of which were covered previously in the Mailing List.
Such as What is the origin of Disney's Marsupilami cartoon character? What
other comics does Disney produce (i.e. reprints of ASTERIX, etc.)? What is
the purpose of Disney's new Hollywood Comics line (which recently published
the "Dinosaurs" softback comics based on the animatronics TV series of the
same name from Disney/Touchstone)? How do the old '30s thru '60s Disney
cartoons and the Disney Afternoon (as well as other DTA {Disney Television
Animation}) relate to the current and past comics? Why do all of the character
s have only "nephews" and "nieces" as oppose to "sons" and "daughters" (with
the possible exception of Goofy & Pete's sons Goofy Jr. and Pete Jr.)?
I'm sure there are other good questions based on postings since this list
began.
Thanx.
-Rich
Rich.Bellacera
General Stuff about the list
Message 53 -
1993-05-12 at 15:36:00
> From: david.a.gerstein at juts
> As for Goofy and Pete having sons, it has been made very clear
> that the "Goop Troop" situation is a ROLE played by 'Goofy the actor.'
> How else could they make it work? I refer you to _Goofy Adventures_
> #17, which describes the -- then upcoming -- series from 'Goofy's own
> words' (actually, I think Cody Weiss stood in for him!).
Actually, I was really referring to the old Disney Cartoons which featured
Goofy & Pete's respective sons, as well as the DA "Goof Troop" series, of
course in the DA series Pete has a daughter too (Pistol).
The cartoon shorts which featured Pete Jr. were pre-Disney Afternoon and were
called something like "Canvas Back Duck" (featuring Donald vs. Pete in a
boxing match while HD&L were harassed by P.J. in the stands), and he other was
called something like "Bellhop Donald"(?) (featuring Donald as a bellhop
trying to carry Pete's bags while being harrassed by Pete's son). The ones
which featured Goofy Jr. were when Goofy starred as "dad" and his son had a
red nose and hair, which has subsequently been changed to black/black in Max
for GOOF TROOP.
> As for Goofy and Pete having sons, it has been made very clear
> that the "Goop Troop" situation is a ROLE played by 'Goofy the actor.'
> How else could they make it work? I refer you to _Goofy Adventures_
> #17, which describes the -- then upcoming -- series from 'Goofy's own
> words' (actually, I think Cody Weiss stood in for him!).
Actually, I was really referring to the old Disney Cartoons which featured
Goofy & Pete's respective sons, as well as the DA "Goof Troop" series, of
course in the DA series Pete has a daughter too (Pistol).
The cartoon shorts which featured Pete Jr. were pre-Disney Afternoon and were
called something like "Canvas Back Duck" (featuring Donald vs. Pete in a
boxing match while HD&L were harassed by P.J. in the stands), and he other was
called something like "Bellhop Donald"(?) (featuring Donald as a bellhop
trying to carry Pete's bags while being harrassed by Pete's son). The ones
which featured Goofy Jr. were when Goofy starred as "dad" and his son had a
red nose and hair, which has subsequently been changed to black/black in Max
for GOOF TROOP.
Don Rosa
Digest #17
Message 54 -
1993-05-12 at 16:53:42
COMMENTS ON #17:
First off, was that index the last thing in that digest? We have an approaching thunderstorm, and interference kept tossing the digest
off my screen and It( had to recall it a half dozen times. Finally I just didn't bother.
And as for that index and looong digests: yes, since it's already costing ME too much to read through this stuff, please don't put
such things in digests. (I think there's lotsa noise in this message, eh?)
Someone said that Jippes' JW stories have not been used outside Holland. Egmont has used at least one or two.
I still feel sure that anyone who does not object strongly to the mixing of the DUCKTALES and the BARKS universes must obviously
have come to Barks via DuckTales, or they would never wish to permit such a heinous crime! I objected strongly to the DT story that
made references to old BARKS comics rather than old DT episodes. To my way of thinking, that was preposterous and insulting! NOISE!
And I have no reason to ever do a Launchpad solo story. Whatever for?f*
First off, was that index the last thing in that digest? We have an approaching thunderstorm, and interference kept tossing the digest
off my screen and It( had to recall it a half dozen times. Finally I just didn't bother.
And as for that index and looong digests: yes, since it's already costing ME too much to read through this stuff, please don't put
such things in digests. (I think there's lotsa noise in this message, eh?)
Someone said that Jippes' JW stories have not been used outside Holland. Egmont has used at least one or two.
I still feel sure that anyone who does not object strongly to the mixing of the DUCKTALES and the BARKS universes must obviously
have come to Barks via DuckTales, or they would never wish to permit such a heinous crime! I objected strongly to the DT story that
made references to old BARKS comics rather than old DT episodes. To my way of thinking, that was preposterous and insulting! NOISE!
And I have no reason to ever do a Launchpad solo story. Whatever for?f*
Per Starback
Replies
Message 55 -
1993-05-12 at 18:51:48
Torsten:
> Did anyone besides Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Many have done Donald, like Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara,
Tony Strobl and Paul Murry. Gladstone reprinted some of those
stories, mostly in their small-size digests, but usually not
particularly good stories. There are some great non-Barks stories
though, but I guess they didn't know where to find them and only saw
the non-Barks ducks as fillers they didn't care particularly much
about.
Scrooge, being Barks's creation, wasn't used much by other artists
at that time though, Strobl being the main exception.
Don:
> First off, was that index the last thing in that digest? (...)
There is a listing of the contents at the head of every digest.
The messages after the Gottfredson list were:
: David A Gerstein Rosa Norwegian story
: Chris Lawton Why is Mickey ... ?
: Per Starback Various replies
: Wilmer Rivers of mice and ducks
so evidently you skipped four messages.
> And as for that index and looong digests: yes, since it's already
> costing ME too much to read through this stuff, please don't put such
> things in digests.
Maybe I will abstain from posting indexes and other reference material
to the list, and just give a pointer to where they can be found at the
archive. But I will never act as a censor and put just some messages
in the digests and ditch others. The only exceptions I've made are a
duplicated message and messages really meant for disney-comics-request,
as their authors didn't *mean* to send them to the list.
Yes, some digests get big, but that's the purpose of a digest form of
the list, isn't it?: Fewer but bigger messages. Almost all
subscribers still get the list one message at a time as they are sent
out.
If the cost is a problem I still think you ought to get net access
some other way. I've already sent you a pointer to somewhere in
Louisville you can get net access for probably much less than
Compu$erve charges.
> Someone said that Jippes' JW stories have not been used outside
> Holland. Egmont has used at least one or two.
Are you sure? I know that Stefan has translated a couple of them, but
I don't think they are printed yet. He works about half a year before
publication I think.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> Did anyone besides Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Many have done Donald, like Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara,
Tony Strobl and Paul Murry. Gladstone reprinted some of those
stories, mostly in their small-size digests, but usually not
particularly good stories. There are some great non-Barks stories
though, but I guess they didn't know where to find them and only saw
the non-Barks ducks as fillers they didn't care particularly much
about.
Scrooge, being Barks's creation, wasn't used much by other artists
at that time though, Strobl being the main exception.
Don:
> First off, was that index the last thing in that digest? (...)
There is a listing of the contents at the head of every digest.
The messages after the Gottfredson list were:
: David A Gerstein Rosa Norwegian story
: Chris Lawton Why is Mickey ... ?
: Per Starback Various replies
: Wilmer Rivers of mice and ducks
so evidently you skipped four messages.
> And as for that index and looong digests: yes, since it's already
> costing ME too much to read through this stuff, please don't put such
> things in digests.
Maybe I will abstain from posting indexes and other reference material
to the list, and just give a pointer to where they can be found at the
archive. But I will never act as a censor and put just some messages
in the digests and ditch others. The only exceptions I've made are a
duplicated message and messages really meant for disney-comics-request,
as their authors didn't *mean* to send them to the list.
Yes, some digests get big, but that's the purpose of a digest form of
the list, isn't it?: Fewer but bigger messages. Almost all
subscribers still get the list one message at a time as they are sent
out.
If the cost is a problem I still think you ought to get net access
some other way. I've already sent you a pointer to somewhere in
Louisville you can get net access for probably much less than
Compu$erve charges.
> Someone said that Jippes' JW stories have not been used outside
> Holland. Egmont has used at least one or two.
Are you sure? I know that Stefan has translated a couple of them, but
I don't think they are printed yet. He works about half a year before
publication I think.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Fredrik Ekman
Van Horn and David Gerstein...
Message 56 -
1993-05-12 at 19:03:35
David Gerstein wrote:
> I am now working for Egmont (was Gutenberghus) in Denmark, on
>original stories. For the time being, since beginners are meant to do
>short stories in general, I'll be doing Duck material (starting with
>an Uncle Scrooge which I sold two months ago), but when I do Mickeys,
>they will be bona-fide Mickeys with a character who Barks fans can
>appreciate. I am going to try to come to a compromise between
>Gottfredson and Barks for my story style when that happens, as well.
>I want to get Mickey into more emotionally interesting situations, and
>I'll do my best to.
That's very interesting! Would you care to give us titles, codes and
(if possible) details of when and where they will be printed for the
stories you do?
And another thing about the continuity between Van Horn's DT and other
Duck stories: The only thing about his DT works (those that I've seen)
that makes them different from any U$ is that Launchpad McQuack appears
in the place of Donald. A frien of mine even read "Sky-High High-Jinx"
without realizing that it was a Duck Tales! When questioned about the
matter, he was absolutely certain that he had seen Donald in the comic.
/Fredrik Ekman
___________________________
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\ | In Donaldismo Veritas | /
> |___________________________| <
/______\| |/______\"
> I am now working for Egmont (was Gutenberghus) in Denmark, on
>original stories. For the time being, since beginners are meant to do
>short stories in general, I'll be doing Duck material (starting with
>an Uncle Scrooge which I sold two months ago), but when I do Mickeys,
>they will be bona-fide Mickeys with a character who Barks fans can
>appreciate. I am going to try to come to a compromise between
>Gottfredson and Barks for my story style when that happens, as well.
>I want to get Mickey into more emotionally interesting situations, and
>I'll do my best to.
That's very interesting! Would you care to give us titles, codes and
(if possible) details of when and where they will be printed for the
stories you do?
And another thing about the continuity between Van Horn's DT and other
Duck stories: The only thing about his DT works (those that I've seen)
that makes them different from any U$ is that Launchpad McQuack appears
in the place of Donald. A frien of mine even read "Sky-High High-Jinx"
without realizing that it was a Duck Tales! When questioned about the
matter, he was absolutely certain that he had seen Donald in the comic.
/Fredrik Ekman
___________________________
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\ | In Donaldismo Veritas | /
> |___________________________| <
/______\| |/______\"
Wilmer Rivers
Strobl et al. stories
Message 57 -
1993-05-12 at 19:20:32
Torsten:
> Did anyone besides Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Per:
> Many have done Donald, like Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara,
> Tony Strobl and Paul Murry. Gladstone reprinted some of those
> stories, mostly in their small-size digests, but usually not
> particularly good stories. There are some great non-Barks stories
> though
I'll throw this one out to the group: what are your favorite stories by
those authors? My favorite is perhaps Donald in Mathemagic Land, since
I read it at an early age before I had encountered many of those topics
in school. I suspect many other people on the net were first introduced
to mathematical concepts via that comic! (Of course, my favorite duck
story of all time was Barks' Land Beneath the Ground, and now I am a
seismologist. I wonder whether there's any connection?)
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov (the Internet gateway to the Terries and Fermies!)
> Did anyone besides Barks do DD/US stories for Dell?
Per:
> Many have done Donald, like Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara,
> Tony Strobl and Paul Murry. Gladstone reprinted some of those
> stories, mostly in their small-size digests, but usually not
> particularly good stories. There are some great non-Barks stories
> though
I'll throw this one out to the group: what are your favorite stories by
those authors? My favorite is perhaps Donald in Mathemagic Land, since
I read it at an early age before I had encountered many of those topics
in school. I suspect many other people on the net were first introduced
to mathematical concepts via that comic! (Of course, my favorite duck
story of all time was Barks' Land Beneath the Ground, and now I am a
seismologist. I wonder whether there's any connection?)
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov (the Internet gateway to the Terries and Fermies!)
Gilbert Milburn
Don, Launchpad & other stuff!
Message 58 -
1993-05-12 at 20:17:08
"I'm bbaaaackk!......."
A few li'l impetuous remarks...
> Date: 10 May 93 10:36:56 EDT
> From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: Re: Digest #15
> COMMENTS ON #15:
> I see now that my previous long message was NOT included in
> the last digest. Does that mean it never came through? And why
> not? I still have the "returned" message -- is there a way to
> re-send it?
Per (& Don!) I think I have an idea -- as to what happen here...
when I came in to check my messages today, I noticed that Don's
CompuServe account-address (72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM) was missing
from one of my digest headers!.. If I understand correctly when
you (Per) send out the digest you put a line in the header that
says something to the effect of: "To: (a list of electronic-mail-
addresses...)" and this what distributes the mail to everyone on
the digest; to his/her respective mail-boxes (it's that right?).
If this is the case Don is missing one of the D.C.D. (Disney-
comics-digests) that you recently sent out!
Well, enough about that...
Also, Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se> recently cited a
comment made by Don on: Mon, 10 May 93 10:29:10 EDT...
> Date: Tue, 11 May 93 15:01:32 +0100
> From: Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se>
> Subject: Continuity
>Don Rosa:
>>Someone asked if I'd ever use Launchpad, even as a gag background
>>character. Sure, I'd do that, since I like the guy. BUT I don't
>>think I'd better since readers would see that use as my
>>acknowledging the coexistence of the DuckTales characters in my
>>Duck universe. So I'd better leave them alone.
(*The "someone" was me Don!*)
Fredrik then went on to say...
>And if Mr. Rosa doesn't want to mess up his normal universe with
>DT characters, then what about making a Launchpad McQuack solo
>adventure? To my knowledge, this has only been done in one-pagers
>before. Then, theoretically, there needn't be any question at all
>as to which universe he belongs to at the time.
I *really like* this suggestion!... =P
So, how about it Don?!.. you could do a little one page gag (like:
"The Paper Chase") or a 10/12-pager, featuring Launchpad McQuack in
his own wee-little (solo) adventure -- say for: "WALT DISNEY'S
COMICS AND STORIES" (in an issue in which none of your other
stories appear in!.. of course!!!). You can even attach a *BIG*
disclaimer as an epilogue(sp?)... "This story in NO way, shape or
form has any connection between the DuckTales t.v. show and the
"normal" Duck universe or to any Duckburg characters for that
matter, namely... $crooge! This story was only done for the pure
fun of it!" (or something to this effect) See how it goes-over --
who knows, YOU could do for: Launchpad what Barks did for: Donald,
Uncle $crooge and the boys!! =) =D
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
P.S. Don, tell Doug Adams (of Comicbook World -- not to be confused
with the Hitchhiker-fellow!) that I said "HELLO" when he stop in to
help you move your @?#%$*! this weekend!
A few li'l impetuous remarks...
> Date: 10 May 93 10:36:56 EDT
> From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: Re: Digest #15
> COMMENTS ON #15:
> I see now that my previous long message was NOT included in
> the last digest. Does that mean it never came through? And why
> not? I still have the "returned" message -- is there a way to
> re-send it?
Per (& Don!) I think I have an idea -- as to what happen here...
when I came in to check my messages today, I noticed that Don's
CompuServe account-address (72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM) was missing
from one of my digest headers!.. If I understand correctly when
you (Per) send out the digest you put a line in the header that
says something to the effect of: "To: (a list of electronic-mail-
addresses...)" and this what distributes the mail to everyone on
the digest; to his/her respective mail-boxes (it's that right?).
If this is the case Don is missing one of the D.C.D. (Disney-
comics-digests) that you recently sent out!
Well, enough about that...
Also, Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se> recently cited a
comment made by Don on: Mon, 10 May 93 10:29:10 EDT...
> Date: Tue, 11 May 93 15:01:32 +0100
> From: Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se>
> Subject: Continuity
>Don Rosa:
>>Someone asked if I'd ever use Launchpad, even as a gag background
>>character. Sure, I'd do that, since I like the guy. BUT I don't
>>think I'd better since readers would see that use as my
>>acknowledging the coexistence of the DuckTales characters in my
>>Duck universe. So I'd better leave them alone.
(*The "someone" was me Don!*)
Fredrik then went on to say...
>And if Mr. Rosa doesn't want to mess up his normal universe with
>DT characters, then what about making a Launchpad McQuack solo
>adventure? To my knowledge, this has only been done in one-pagers
>before. Then, theoretically, there needn't be any question at all
>as to which universe he belongs to at the time.
I *really like* this suggestion!... =P
So, how about it Don?!.. you could do a little one page gag (like:
"The Paper Chase") or a 10/12-pager, featuring Launchpad McQuack in
his own wee-little (solo) adventure -- say for: "WALT DISNEY'S
COMICS AND STORIES" (in an issue in which none of your other
stories appear in!.. of course!!!). You can even attach a *BIG*
disclaimer as an epilogue(sp?)... "This story in NO way, shape or
form has any connection between the DuckTales t.v. show and the
"normal" Duck universe or to any Duckburg characters for that
matter, namely... $crooge! This story was only done for the pure
fun of it!" (or something to this effect) See how it goes-over --
who knows, YOU could do for: Launchpad what Barks did for: Donald,
Uncle $crooge and the boys!! =) =D
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
P.S. Don, tell Doug Adams (of Comicbook World -- not to be confused
with the Hitchhiker-fellow!) that I said "HELLO" when he stop in to
help you move your @?#%$*! this weekend!
Chris Lawton
More on Mickey...
Message 59 -
1993-05-12 at 20:57:45
Hi!
Torsten Adair wrote the following about my questions about Mickey;
>Well, first of all, there is the design aspect. Donald is more malleable
>than Mickey. DD's bill can be sculpted in a variety of ways, and his face
>is more expressive than Mickey's.
>
>Second, DD has had a better creator than MM. Carl Barks produced a wide
>variety of work that was seen consistently in comic books. MM, who was
>best mastered by Floyd Gottfredson (sp?) did not receive as great a
>distribution. The stories that were printed in comic books were pretty
>lackluster, and did not contain any of the wonderful background elements
>found in Barks' work.
>
>Third, there is the characterization. MM is a wimp. Plain and simple.
>(Pegleg) (Black) Bad Pete could rape Minnie Mouse in front of MM, and MM
>wouldn't do a thing. MM would probably give his high pitched nervous
>laugh and turn away. DD, on the other hand, shows emotion. He is a nice
>guy, until he gets angry. He encounters everyday trials that most of us
>face. He is more real.
>
>Fourth, you can't belong to this list unless you hate Mickey Mouse. |)
>
>Fifth, the sad truth is that MM underwent a lobotomy in the early Forties,
>shortly before "The Sorceror's Apprentice" was filmed. This explains the
>redesign MM underwent before Fantasia.
Points one and two are well taken. However, three, four and five...
About point Three... I CANNOT believe that MM would ever sit by and do
nothing when it comes to Minnie. Or Pluto or Goofy or Donald... It's just
not his style. He's too good to let something that bad happen and not get
involved. (yes, this could be a flaw) I think that MM shows this well in
the 1990 (?) short The Prince and the Pauper. MM does get invloved. I think
that Mickey as portrayed there could do well in comics.
About point Four... sniff :( Well, I still think he's the best. Somebody you
could count on! And I'll still be around here cause I think that people that
love Disney are nice people to know! :)
Point Five...Oh sick! :) The post Fantasia Mickey is a much better Mickey
cause he can have better facial expressions. The "Steamboat Willie" (aka
The Rubber Hose ) Mickey didn't have much to work with. Personally, I really
like the Modern Mickey Mouse.
>Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
>(Please don't ruin my credit rating.) |)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well.... OK. Actually, we make Image Systems here in this division. Ever see
an American Express Credit Card statement? We did it!
Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :)
Torsten Adair wrote the following about my questions about Mickey;
>Well, first of all, there is the design aspect. Donald is more malleable
>than Mickey. DD's bill can be sculpted in a variety of ways, and his face
>is more expressive than Mickey's.
>
>Second, DD has had a better creator than MM. Carl Barks produced a wide
>variety of work that was seen consistently in comic books. MM, who was
>best mastered by Floyd Gottfredson (sp?) did not receive as great a
>distribution. The stories that were printed in comic books were pretty
>lackluster, and did not contain any of the wonderful background elements
>found in Barks' work.
>
>Third, there is the characterization. MM is a wimp. Plain and simple.
>(Pegleg) (Black) Bad Pete could rape Minnie Mouse in front of MM, and MM
>wouldn't do a thing. MM would probably give his high pitched nervous
>laugh and turn away. DD, on the other hand, shows emotion. He is a nice
>guy, until he gets angry. He encounters everyday trials that most of us
>face. He is more real.
>
>Fourth, you can't belong to this list unless you hate Mickey Mouse. |)
>
>Fifth, the sad truth is that MM underwent a lobotomy in the early Forties,
>shortly before "The Sorceror's Apprentice" was filmed. This explains the
>redesign MM underwent before Fantasia.
Points one and two are well taken. However, three, four and five...
About point Three... I CANNOT believe that MM would ever sit by and do
nothing when it comes to Minnie. Or Pluto or Goofy or Donald... It's just
not his style. He's too good to let something that bad happen and not get
involved. (yes, this could be a flaw) I think that MM shows this well in
the 1990 (?) short The Prince and the Pauper. MM does get invloved. I think
that Mickey as portrayed there could do well in comics.
About point Four... sniff :( Well, I still think he's the best. Somebody you
could count on! And I'll still be around here cause I think that people that
love Disney are nice people to know! :)
Point Five...Oh sick! :) The post Fantasia Mickey is a much better Mickey
cause he can have better facial expressions. The "Steamboat Willie" (aka
The Rubber Hose ) Mickey didn't have much to work with. Personally, I really
like the Modern Mickey Mouse.
>Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
>(Please don't ruin my credit rating.) |)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well.... OK. Actually, we make Image Systems here in this division. Ever see
an American Express Credit Card statement? We did it!
Chris Mickey's #1 Fan!! :)
Chris Lawton
Questions...
Message 60 -
1993-05-12 at 20:59:09
Hi folks,
A couple questions about this mailing list: (I'm new to mailing-lists and to
comic book collecting)
Is there some sort of FAQ for this group?
What's a DIGEST?
Thanks!
Chris Mickey's #1 Fan! :)
A couple questions about this mailing list: (I'm new to mailing-lists and to
comic book collecting)
Is there some sort of FAQ for this group?
What's a DIGEST?
Thanks!
Chris Mickey's #1 Fan! :)