Shanu Varma Esq. aka the GRIPPER
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SHANU
Comics
Message 76 -
1993-05-14 at 15:49:41
SHANU
Comics
Message 77 -
1993-05-14 at 15:49:41
incidentally the other day a friend gave me a comic book titled
'ARCHIE ANDREWS & JUGHEAD' I thought it was hilarious does anyone out
there have a recent order form as the one in the book was 2 years out
of date
'ARCHIE ANDREWS & JUGHEAD' I thought it was hilarious does anyone out
there have a recent order form as the one in the book was 2 years out
of date
Per Starback
Huey, Dewey, and Louie: the faqs.
Message 78 -
1993-05-14 at 23:18:38
me> What FAQ's are there anyway?
Rich> Some I can think of, off-hand, concern the color arangements of
Rich> HD&L, [the rest of a long list deleted]
OK, I'll start with that one and other questions about HD&L, so here's
a first draft of a small faq file on HD&L. It's mostly compiled from
what I've already written to the list with additional facts from the
postings of other. Any comments? (Like corrections to the facts or
to my English; additional info where I have comments enclosed in
[...]; other questions on HD&L that should be answered, ...)
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* Origin
Huey, Dewey, and Louie appeared for the first time in the Donald Duck
newspaper Sunday page October 17, 1937, written by Ted Osborne and
drawn by Al Taliaferro. At the time the Studio was working on a
cartoon called _Donald's Nephews_ (directed by Jack King) with the
same theme, but due to the longer production time it didn't premiere
until 1938. In the daily strip the boys stayed with Donald only for a
while, but later they returned for good.
* Relationship
How are the boys related to Donald?
In their premiere Sunday page Donald gets a letter with the following
text:
Dear Donald:
I am sending your angel nephews Louie, Huey and Dewey, to stay
with you while their father is in the hospital. A giant
firecracker exploded under his chair. The little darlings are
*so* playful. I hope you enjoy them.
Your cousin,
Della.
Supposedly this cousin Della is the boys' mother, but it's not made
explicit. In the cartoon the letter (addressed to mr. Donald Duck,
Hollywood, Calif) instead said:
Dear Brother ---
I am sending
your angel nephews
to visit you ---
Sister Dumbella
Supposedly this *sister* *Dumbella* is the boys' mother, even if it
never really says so this time either.
In the fifties Carl Barks made a Duck Family Tree for his own
reference, and there he calls HD&L's mother "Thelma Duck" and she is a
sister to Donald. This Thelma has never been used in a story though,
and in Don Rosa's revised version of the family tree her name is Della
instead. The poor father of the boys has never had a name anywhere.
* Colours
How do you tell them apart? Which one wears which colour
(red/blue/green)?
In the old cartoons HD&L wore different colours in different cartoons,
and sometimes two or all three of them wore the same colour, very
often red. In their very first cartoon they wore red, orange and
green shirts. [I know they introduce themselves by names so that you
get to know which is which, but I don't remember the order, probably
Huey is the green one.]
So this red-blue-green thing was invented in the comics, where their
shirts are black but their caps have different colours. The
colourists have not been consistent about it though, so not only do
they wear different colours in different stories, but also they seem
to switch caps between panels!
[Hm, I skipped over the Sunday pages. What about the colouring of them?]
[What about the current colourists at Gladstone and Disney. Do they
try to be consistent? I haven't checked.]
In the modern TV animation, i.e., in DuckTales, they were consistent
about the colouring though: Huey red, Dewey blue, and Louie green, so
this is probably the "official" Disney word on the matter.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Rich> Some I can think of, off-hand, concern the color arangements of
Rich> HD&L, [the rest of a long list deleted]
OK, I'll start with that one and other questions about HD&L, so here's
a first draft of a small faq file on HD&L. It's mostly compiled from
what I've already written to the list with additional facts from the
postings of other. Any comments? (Like corrections to the facts or
to my English; additional info where I have comments enclosed in
[...]; other questions on HD&L that should be answered, ...)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
* Origin
Huey, Dewey, and Louie appeared for the first time in the Donald Duck
newspaper Sunday page October 17, 1937, written by Ted Osborne and
drawn by Al Taliaferro. At the time the Studio was working on a
cartoon called _Donald's Nephews_ (directed by Jack King) with the
same theme, but due to the longer production time it didn't premiere
until 1938. In the daily strip the boys stayed with Donald only for a
while, but later they returned for good.
* Relationship
How are the boys related to Donald?
In their premiere Sunday page Donald gets a letter with the following
text:
Dear Donald:
I am sending your angel nephews Louie, Huey and Dewey, to stay
with you while their father is in the hospital. A giant
firecracker exploded under his chair. The little darlings are
*so* playful. I hope you enjoy them.
Your cousin,
Della.
Supposedly this cousin Della is the boys' mother, but it's not made
explicit. In the cartoon the letter (addressed to mr. Donald Duck,
Hollywood, Calif) instead said:
Dear Brother ---
I am sending
your angel nephews
to visit you ---
Sister Dumbella
Supposedly this *sister* *Dumbella* is the boys' mother, even if it
never really says so this time either.
In the fifties Carl Barks made a Duck Family Tree for his own
reference, and there he calls HD&L's mother "Thelma Duck" and she is a
sister to Donald. This Thelma has never been used in a story though,
and in Don Rosa's revised version of the family tree her name is Della
instead. The poor father of the boys has never had a name anywhere.
* Colours
How do you tell them apart? Which one wears which colour
(red/blue/green)?
In the old cartoons HD&L wore different colours in different cartoons,
and sometimes two or all three of them wore the same colour, very
often red. In their very first cartoon they wore red, orange and
green shirts. [I know they introduce themselves by names so that you
get to know which is which, but I don't remember the order, probably
Huey is the green one.]
So this red-blue-green thing was invented in the comics, where their
shirts are black but their caps have different colours. The
colourists have not been consistent about it though, so not only do
they wear different colours in different stories, but also they seem
to switch caps between panels!
[Hm, I skipped over the Sunday pages. What about the colouring of them?]
[What about the current colourists at Gladstone and Disney. Do they
try to be consistent? I haven't checked.]
In the modern TV animation, i.e., in DuckTales, they were consistent
about the colouring though: Huey red, Dewey blue, and Louie green, so
this is probably the "official" Disney word on the matter.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Per Starback
Don Rosa
Message 79 -
1993-05-14 at 23:52:30
Don Rosa:
> [...] and I found that there is another membership option that I'd
> never needed to consider which (supposedly) will GREATLY reduce the
> amounts of $$$ that these INTERNET messages are costing me.
That's great, even though I still suspect that it would be cheaper to
get some other account.
> But... now that I finally found a way to afford to spend time on
> here, people have stopped asking me questions. It figgers.
Well, did you ever read through that long digest you stopped in the
middle of because of weird weather conditions? Among those last four
messages David asked about your story that I've described as a "long
story books for Norway, which also exists in an American version with
1 panel different, to be published 1994" in the index at the ftp
archive. I'm also curious about this one. Apropos different European
and American versions: I've heard that you're re-working one or two of
the Life of Scrooge chapters to remove some continuity errors before
the American publication. Is it only textual changes, or will there
be some new artwork too?
And if you want questions, here is another one. You have written a
couple of episodes of TailSpin for TV. Which ones? I think the
answer is "It Came from Beneath the Sea Duck" and "I Only Have Ice for
You" --- correct?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> [...] and I found that there is another membership option that I'd
> never needed to consider which (supposedly) will GREATLY reduce the
> amounts of $$$ that these INTERNET messages are costing me.
That's great, even though I still suspect that it would be cheaper to
get some other account.
> But... now that I finally found a way to afford to spend time on
> here, people have stopped asking me questions. It figgers.
Well, did you ever read through that long digest you stopped in the
middle of because of weird weather conditions? Among those last four
messages David asked about your story that I've described as a "long
story books for Norway, which also exists in an American version with
1 panel different, to be published 1994" in the index at the ftp
archive. I'm also curious about this one. Apropos different European
and American versions: I've heard that you're re-working one or two of
the Life of Scrooge chapters to remove some continuity errors before
the American publication. Is it only textual changes, or will there
be some new artwork too?
And if you want questions, here is another one. You have written a
couple of episodes of TailSpin for TV. Which ones? I think the
answer is "It Came from Beneath the Sea Duck" and "I Only Have Ice for
You" --- correct?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
David A Gerstein
Huey, Dewey and Louie
Message 80 -
1993-05-15 at 00:17:55
Dear Folks (Per et all),
Just so you know, Disney and Gladstone have almost entirely
accepted the DuckTales cap coloring for the nephews wherever possible.
Since 1990 the stories have had the caps correctly colored whenever
the kids have been identified by name. _Always._
The colors are arranged this way:
Huey has the brightest 'hue,' or red.
Dewey's cap is the color of dew, or blue.
That *leaves* Louie, and the color of leaves is green.
See how easy that is?
All the Disney Comics Disney comics have used this coloring.
So have the Gladstone Barks Library Albums, and presumably the comics
will as well.
There was only one exception. In the bill-collecting story
"Donald Duck and the Boys," a different colorist than usual (who I
can't recall the name of, now, since I don't have the issue on hand)
colored it for Gladstone's album. This guy must not have been 'in the
know,' because the caps were randomly colored and -- most
frustratingly of all -- switched ridiculously during the Bassofoglio
trapeze scene, so that which kid was on the trapeze varied from scene
to scene. The same colorist makes the mistake of giving a nephew
who's asking another nephew some question a certain color for his cap,
then repeating the same color reliably in the next panel for the
nephew who's *replying.* No matter what color the kids' caps are
going to be, *this* is particularly irritating.
(Not only did the odd colorist for "DD and the Boys" do this,
but even the otherwise impeccable Sue Daigle does it from time to
time.)
"Well, so long... I'll be seein' ya... I hope!"
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Just so you know, Disney and Gladstone have almost entirely
accepted the DuckTales cap coloring for the nephews wherever possible.
Since 1990 the stories have had the caps correctly colored whenever
the kids have been identified by name. _Always._
The colors are arranged this way:
Huey has the brightest 'hue,' or red.
Dewey's cap is the color of dew, or blue.
That *leaves* Louie, and the color of leaves is green.
See how easy that is?
All the Disney Comics Disney comics have used this coloring.
So have the Gladstone Barks Library Albums, and presumably the comics
will as well.
There was only one exception. In the bill-collecting story
"Donald Duck and the Boys," a different colorist than usual (who I
can't recall the name of, now, since I don't have the issue on hand)
colored it for Gladstone's album. This guy must not have been 'in the
know,' because the caps were randomly colored and -- most
frustratingly of all -- switched ridiculously during the Bassofoglio
trapeze scene, so that which kid was on the trapeze varied from scene
to scene. The same colorist makes the mistake of giving a nephew
who's asking another nephew some question a certain color for his cap,
then repeating the same color reliably in the next panel for the
nephew who's *replying.* No matter what color the kids' caps are
going to be, *this* is particularly irritating.
(Not only did the odd colorist for "DD and the Boys" do this,
but even the otherwise impeccable Sue Daigle does it from time to
time.)
"Well, so long... I'll be seein' ya... I hope!"
David Gerstein
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
The Gottfredson Quote Quiz
Message 81 -
1993-05-15 at 00:44:47
Dear Folks,
You've seen the Barks quote quiz, now let's see how much of
"Mouse Master" Floyd Gottfredson's work sticks in your head. This
quiz has 13 questions like Per's last Barks quote quiz. What you
have to do is stupefyingly simple (I'll explain in case someone who
gets this has joined the net after the conclusion of that Barks
quiz last week). Just do your best to identify which story each
quote comes from. I guess I'll be lenient, but it's also impressive
to see if you know what character said it or which situation it
appeared in. I'm under the impression that a lot of people here may
like FG's stuff, but have not tried to be completists or as ravenous
as for Barks, so I'm starting out with a collection of quotes that
are ONLY from stories that Gladstone, Disney, and (in one case)
Abbeville, in the last 10 years have printed. I've also only used
quotes from long adventures, the shorter stories and Sunday pages
being less well-known.
Also, another hint and a bit of a spike to the punch: one
of the quotes is actually from a well-known MM strip done BEFORE
Gottfredson worked on MM.
And a note: I went from memory on a few of the quotes, so one
or two of them may be a word or two off. They should be completely
identifiable, however.
I'll add up the number of correct IDs given for each quote.
If only one person gets the question, they get a full point. If three
get it, each gets a third of a point, and so forth. In the end, I'll
add up the number of partial points for each question. Whoever gets
the most points, or parts of points, will be the winner of the
contest.
And the quotes are:
1. "Boy! A box! Another minute and that cannibal tom cat would be
picking me out of his teeth!"
2. "Alas, pore Nell, I knowed her well-ll...."
3. "At last a faint light begins to flicker through the cracks in my
dome!"
4. "Wait till Lindy sees this airship! HeUll be so jealous -- he'll
*resign* from the army!"
5. "It tells der whole story in a shelled nut!"
6. "What a peculiar language these natives speak!"
7. "Too many dynamitoruses... and not enuff rabbits!"
8. "I'll turn on this gas and end it once and for all! ...Goodbye,
Minnie! Goodbye, cruel world!"
9. "I t'ink zat we shall throw zem for a loop, eh?"
10. "Tell 'im de rest, Shyster! He won't live t' tell nobody!"
11. "Crazy inventors! Machines that won't work! I can feel a
headache starting already!"
12. "Excuse my glove!"
13. "Just because I'm a *girl*, that's no sign I'm a *coward!*"
Folks, the deadline to enter is a week from now, Friday,
May 21st. I'm sorry that I can't give you longer, but I'm going to be
going home from college for the summer and will have a new e-mail
address at that time. Things will get chaotic. Thus, I have to get
this over with before I leave Williams.
Send your responses to: ---> David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu
Your friend,
David Gerstein
You've seen the Barks quote quiz, now let's see how much of
"Mouse Master" Floyd Gottfredson's work sticks in your head. This
quiz has 13 questions like Per's last Barks quote quiz. What you
have to do is stupefyingly simple (I'll explain in case someone who
gets this has joined the net after the conclusion of that Barks
quiz last week). Just do your best to identify which story each
quote comes from. I guess I'll be lenient, but it's also impressive
to see if you know what character said it or which situation it
appeared in. I'm under the impression that a lot of people here may
like FG's stuff, but have not tried to be completists or as ravenous
as for Barks, so I'm starting out with a collection of quotes that
are ONLY from stories that Gladstone, Disney, and (in one case)
Abbeville, in the last 10 years have printed. I've also only used
quotes from long adventures, the shorter stories and Sunday pages
being less well-known.
Also, another hint and a bit of a spike to the punch: one
of the quotes is actually from a well-known MM strip done BEFORE
Gottfredson worked on MM.
And a note: I went from memory on a few of the quotes, so one
or two of them may be a word or two off. They should be completely
identifiable, however.
I'll add up the number of correct IDs given for each quote.
If only one person gets the question, they get a full point. If three
get it, each gets a third of a point, and so forth. In the end, I'll
add up the number of partial points for each question. Whoever gets
the most points, or parts of points, will be the winner of the
contest.
And the quotes are:
1. "Boy! A box! Another minute and that cannibal tom cat would be
picking me out of his teeth!"
2. "Alas, pore Nell, I knowed her well-ll...."
3. "At last a faint light begins to flicker through the cracks in my
dome!"
4. "Wait till Lindy sees this airship! HeUll be so jealous -- he'll
*resign* from the army!"
5. "It tells der whole story in a shelled nut!"
6. "What a peculiar language these natives speak!"
7. "Too many dynamitoruses... and not enuff rabbits!"
8. "I'll turn on this gas and end it once and for all! ...Goodbye,
Minnie! Goodbye, cruel world!"
9. "I t'ink zat we shall throw zem for a loop, eh?"
10. "Tell 'im de rest, Shyster! He won't live t' tell nobody!"
11. "Crazy inventors! Machines that won't work! I can feel a
headache starting already!"
12. "Excuse my glove!"
13. "Just because I'm a *girl*, that's no sign I'm a *coward!*"
Folks, the deadline to enter is a week from now, Friday,
May 21st. I'm sorry that I can't give you longer, but I'm going to be
going home from college for the summer and will have a new e-mail
address at that time. Things will get chaotic. Thus, I have to get
this over with before I leave Williams.
Send your responses to: ---> David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Wilmer Rivers
INFREQUENTLY asked questions about HD&L
Message 82 -
1993-05-15 at 00:53:07
Are "Huey, Dewey, and Louie Duck" the real names of Donald's nephews?
Since they are the children of Donald's sister, presumably their
original surname was whatever Thelma/Della's **married** name was,
rather than her maiden name of "Duck". Or did she marry someone
also named "Duck"? Surely the boys aren't illegitimate! Maybe they
changed their last name when Donald "adopted" them? Also, are their
first names really nicknames? "Huey" is a perfectly O.K. name in
English, but "Dewey" is usually a familiar form of "Duane", and "Louie"
is usually short for "Louis". Were their original names then Huey,
Duane, and Louis Something-other-than-duck? Also, how old do you think
they are in the stories? What grade are they in at school? And what
are their exact ranks in the Junior Woodchucks? Important questions,
all!
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
Since they are the children of Donald's sister, presumably their
original surname was whatever Thelma/Della's **married** name was,
rather than her maiden name of "Duck". Or did she marry someone
also named "Duck"? Surely the boys aren't illegitimate! Maybe they
changed their last name when Donald "adopted" them? Also, are their
first names really nicknames? "Huey" is a perfectly O.K. name in
English, but "Dewey" is usually a familiar form of "Duane", and "Louie"
is usually short for "Louis". Were their original names then Huey,
Duane, and Louis Something-other-than-duck? Also, how old do you think
they are in the stories? What grade are they in at school? And what
are their exact ranks in the Junior Woodchucks? Important questions,
all!
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
Harry Fluks
Don Rosa questions
Message 83 -
1993-05-15 at 02:51:42
Don Rosa:
> But... now that I finally found a way to afford to spend time on
> here, people have stopped asking me questions. It figgers.
"
Per Starback:
> And if you want questions, here is another one. (...)
And I have an unanswered question too: about the Barks script
"Gyro Gearloose, the pied piper of Duckburg" that you finished.
Daan Jippes seems to have worked on finishing that story. Have you ever seen
what he made (if he did do any artwork)? Have you used (some of) it?
(I guess the answer will be "no", since the story looks "all Rosa"
to me.)
Next question: you made some covers for Gladstone's "WDC in color", the
3-in-one comic albums Gladstone sold at the end of their first period.
Could you tell how much covers you did? The "WDC in color" should have been
6 or 7 issues, but there may have been some more issues with varying contents.
The back cover of issue #1 is not clear about which issues have a Rosa
cover.
BTW: I hope you enjoy the mailing list, even when there are *no* questions
to you for a while...
--Harry.
(you know, the Dutch one 8-)
> But... now that I finally found a way to afford to spend time on
> here, people have stopped asking me questions. It figgers.
"
Per Starback:
> And if you want questions, here is another one. (...)
And I have an unanswered question too: about the Barks script
"Gyro Gearloose, the pied piper of Duckburg" that you finished.
Daan Jippes seems to have worked on finishing that story. Have you ever seen
what he made (if he did do any artwork)? Have you used (some of) it?
(I guess the answer will be "no", since the story looks "all Rosa"
to me.)
Next question: you made some covers for Gladstone's "WDC in color", the
3-in-one comic albums Gladstone sold at the end of their first period.
Could you tell how much covers you did? The "WDC in color" should have been
6 or 7 issues, but there may have been some more issues with varying contents.
The back cover of issue #1 is not clear about which issues have a Rosa
cover.
BTW: I hope you enjoy the mailing list, even when there are *no* questions
to you for a while...
--Harry.
(you know, the Dutch one 8-)
Don Rosa
Digest #20
Message 84 -
1993-05-15 at 07:15:04
COMMENTS ON #20:
Why was someone in there asking about Archie comics??? Where did that come from???
No, I never tried to reread that long message that I had trouble with during the thunderstorm. It was reeealy tricky to try to keep
it on screen with all the line noise -- I had to keep my finger on the "backspace" button to prevent the lightning from commanding
the system to throw me off the E-mail string. And being such a loooong message, I gave up trying to recall it and fight my way all
the way to the end again to see what I missed. In the meanwhile, I guess I erased the message. Anyway, you seem to have found the parts
I missed...
Yes, there IS a long adventure story that I did especially for Norway's "Year of the Book" which WILL have some alternate panels
when/if used by Gladstone. But... how did anyone KNOW about all that??? Did I pop off about it somewhere? I don't recall...
And yes, I will ask Gladstone to make some small changes in the "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" when they use it; probably just
dialogue changes. The biggest one involves part 3 where I had $crooge meeting the "Professor from Birmingham" in 1882. I'm embarrassed
to say that the panel where the vicuna hunter in "Lost in the Andes" tells of the professor's death had slipped my mind -- or perhaps
I'd always thoughtlessly figured he was referring to some OTHER visitor to Plain Awful (though I see it's clear he isn't). Anyway,
I'll need to rewrite the dialogue to make the old man to be the museum agent who bought the eggs from the padre in Cuzco. This, however,
doesn't explain why the museum forgot what the eggs were, and it sorta knocks the stuffing out of the whole reason for the scene.
Well, I got careless for an instant, and that's what happened. I hope readers will point out other goofs so I can correct them, too,
in future printings.
As for HD&L's history, Per has it all down. I hate to see him refer to my upcoming Family Tree as a "revision"! I tried VERY hard not to
do any recreating of past Barks facts... but sometimes we had to examine the various past versions and choose the most reasonable or
appropriate combination of them. I sought the advice of Duck fans around the world while constructing that Tree over several years
because I knew I was dealing with characters that belong to ALL of us, not just whoever was doing the Tree (which happened to be me).
TALESPIN: Yes, those were the titles of the two episodes I wrote. They were also the first two episodes written and the first two
produced. The "pilot" or origin episodes were written and produced much later... I've never even seen those. In fact, I've never seen
an episode of the series other than the tapes they sent me of my two episodes. I just don't have much interest in TV cartoons, and seeing
the behind-the-scenes of their production didn't fill me with fascination.
Why was someone in there asking about Archie comics??? Where did that come from???
No, I never tried to reread that long message that I had trouble with during the thunderstorm. It was reeealy tricky to try to keep
it on screen with all the line noise -- I had to keep my finger on the "backspace" button to prevent the lightning from commanding
the system to throw me off the E-mail string. And being such a loooong message, I gave up trying to recall it and fight my way all
the way to the end again to see what I missed. In the meanwhile, I guess I erased the message. Anyway, you seem to have found the parts
I missed...
Yes, there IS a long adventure story that I did especially for Norway's "Year of the Book" which WILL have some alternate panels
when/if used by Gladstone. But... how did anyone KNOW about all that??? Did I pop off about it somewhere? I don't recall...
And yes, I will ask Gladstone to make some small changes in the "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" when they use it; probably just
dialogue changes. The biggest one involves part 3 where I had $crooge meeting the "Professor from Birmingham" in 1882. I'm embarrassed
to say that the panel where the vicuna hunter in "Lost in the Andes" tells of the professor's death had slipped my mind -- or perhaps
I'd always thoughtlessly figured he was referring to some OTHER visitor to Plain Awful (though I see it's clear he isn't). Anyway,
I'll need to rewrite the dialogue to make the old man to be the museum agent who bought the eggs from the padre in Cuzco. This, however,
doesn't explain why the museum forgot what the eggs were, and it sorta knocks the stuffing out of the whole reason for the scene.
Well, I got careless for an instant, and that's what happened. I hope readers will point out other goofs so I can correct them, too,
in future printings.
As for HD&L's history, Per has it all down. I hate to see him refer to my upcoming Family Tree as a "revision"! I tried VERY hard not to
do any recreating of past Barks facts... but sometimes we had to examine the various past versions and choose the most reasonable or
appropriate combination of them. I sought the advice of Duck fans around the world while constructing that Tree over several years
because I knew I was dealing with characters that belong to ALL of us, not just whoever was doing the Tree (which happened to be me).
TALESPIN: Yes, those were the titles of the two episodes I wrote. They were also the first two episodes written and the first two
produced. The "pilot" or origin episodes were written and produced much later... I've never even seen those. In fact, I've never seen
an episode of the series other than the tapes they sent me of my two episodes. I just don't have much interest in TV cartoons, and seeing
the behind-the-scenes of their production didn't fill me with fascination.
Per Starback
Bradbury, Moores, de Lara, Strobl, Murry
Message 85 -
1993-05-15 at 20:50:54
Wilmer:
> I'll throw this one out to the group: what are your favorite stories by
> those authors? [i.e., Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara, Tony
> Strobl, Paul Murry]
I don't know about my favourites, but I do like One for the Whammy (DD
65) that Harry already mentioned. Paper Route Panic (DD 66) is
another good one --- not very Barksian though!
Wilmer continued:
> (Of course, my favorite duck story of all time was Barks' Land
> Beneath the Ground, and now I am a seismologist. I wonder whether
> there's any connection?)
A seismologist! Aren't you the ones who believe that earthquakes are
caused by gas that builds up in fissures as the earth shrinks? You
shore ain't been around, podner! :-)
David:
> One reason I prefer the "Barks School" (Rosa, Scarpa,
> Rota, Milton, Jippes, Branca, Van Horn and Vicar) to Strobl and
> Bradbury is the seriousness with which the characters are treated.
> Even in Van Horn's wildest stories, the characters' impulses strike me
> as being essentially true to Barks' Ducks. But with Strobl you have
> stories like "Santa's Unexpected Visit," in which Scrooge not only
> believes in Santa but spends time trying to butter him up, like a
> seven-year-old. (...)
Yes, but that's not Strobl's fault, as he didn't write the stories,
and the same goes for most of those mentioned. Not many wrote *and*
drew, like Barks did.
> Strobl also gives every female character half-open eyes, which is
> supposed to suggest flirtatiousness maybe, but just gives Daisy (and
> Minnie, in these artists' usually poor Mouse stories) a 'dopey'
> expression befitting Gus Goose.
I never thought about this, but now you've got me looking for it, and
perhaps you are right. Take a look at late Barks though (like Daisy's
Diary), and you'll see the same thing! (If Barks does it it must be
right, right? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"These spider feetprints have a catchy rhythm, don't you think?"
> I'll throw this one out to the group: what are your favorite stories by
> those authors? [i.e., Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Phil de Lara, Tony
> Strobl, Paul Murry]
I don't know about my favourites, but I do like One for the Whammy (DD
65) that Harry already mentioned. Paper Route Panic (DD 66) is
another good one --- not very Barksian though!
Wilmer continued:
> (Of course, my favorite duck story of all time was Barks' Land
> Beneath the Ground, and now I am a seismologist. I wonder whether
> there's any connection?)
A seismologist! Aren't you the ones who believe that earthquakes are
caused by gas that builds up in fissures as the earth shrinks? You
shore ain't been around, podner! :-)
David:
> One reason I prefer the "Barks School" (Rosa, Scarpa,
> Rota, Milton, Jippes, Branca, Van Horn and Vicar) to Strobl and
> Bradbury is the seriousness with which the characters are treated.
> Even in Van Horn's wildest stories, the characters' impulses strike me
> as being essentially true to Barks' Ducks. But with Strobl you have
> stories like "Santa's Unexpected Visit," in which Scrooge not only
> believes in Santa but spends time trying to butter him up, like a
> seven-year-old. (...)
Yes, but that's not Strobl's fault, as he didn't write the stories,
and the same goes for most of those mentioned. Not many wrote *and*
drew, like Barks did.
> Strobl also gives every female character half-open eyes, which is
> supposed to suggest flirtatiousness maybe, but just gives Daisy (and
> Minnie, in these artists' usually poor Mouse stories) a 'dopey'
> expression befitting Gus Goose.
I never thought about this, but now you've got me looking for it, and
perhaps you are right. Take a look at late Barks though (like Daisy's
Diary), and you'll see the same thing! (If Barks does it it must be
right, right? :-)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"These spider feetprints have a catchy rhythm, don't you think?"
Per Starback
Lostralia
Message 86 -
1993-05-15 at 21:05:10
Mark McConnell:
> does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
> this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
>
> It was probably a reprint, but the story was great. Lostralia is
> the place where you lost socks go during washing, where lost change goes...
> You get the picture.
Probably lost stories go there too ... :-)
No, I don't recognize it, but could it possibly be "Land of the Lost"
in MM 143 (August 1973). I haven't seen it but the title and date
seem right. It's a 12-page story drawn by Jack Manning, certainly not
one of the better artists, but it's written by Mark Evanier who has
done some whacky, funny scripts (for example with Super Goof), so it
wouldn't surprise me if that story was able to make an impact on you,
if that's the one.
My source is Joe Torcivia's excellent Mickey Mouse Checklist published
by The Duckburg Times editor Dana Gabbard.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
> this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
>
> It was probably a reprint, but the story was great. Lostralia is
> the place where you lost socks go during washing, where lost change goes...
> You get the picture.
Probably lost stories go there too ... :-)
No, I don't recognize it, but could it possibly be "Land of the Lost"
in MM 143 (August 1973). I haven't seen it but the title and date
seem right. It's a 12-page story drawn by Jack Manning, certainly not
one of the better artists, but it's written by Mark Evanier who has
done some whacky, funny scripts (for example with Super Goof), so it
wouldn't surprise me if that story was able to make an impact on you,
if that's the one.
My source is Joe Torcivia's excellent Mickey Mouse Checklist published
by The Duckburg Times editor Dana Gabbard.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
David A Gerstein
Of mice and ducks (again!)
Message 87 -
1993-05-15 at 21:15:51
Dear Folks,
Here is a lengthy response to some of our Mickey discussions.
It was written a week ago and today I got it back accompanied by the
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From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Dear Folks,
I've been reading your responses to my discussion of Mickey.
What's important for me to stress is that in the BEST Gottfredson
Mickey stories, the characters DO have more complex personalities.
Let's start with Goofy, roundly criticized as "stupid." In
"Mickey Mouse, Mighty Whale Hunter" (reprinted in Abbeville's GOOFY
book, apparently complete and with about all of the original dialog,
although relettered), Mickey is in one of Gottfredson's favorite
situations. Having immobilized Peg-Leg Pete's harpoon, escaped Pete
for the time being, and preparing to leave Pete's whaling ship (where
he was taken after being kidnapped) for his own _Lady Daffodil_,
Mickey suddenly realizes that there's no lifeboat to return in... he's
stuck! (There's one of MICKEY's flaws right there; in his
enthusiasm, he didn't check to see if his entire plan was feasible!)
Suddenly, who should show up but GOOFY, who may not exactly know the
best way of going about things but who had the guts to steal a
lifeboat from the _Daffodil_ himself, escape in it, and find his way
to the _Orca_ where Mickey was held captive. So who says Goofy's dumb
NOW? Well, a moment later he realizes that he didn't keep track of
HOW he found the Orca, and now he can't find his way BACK. There's
Goofy at his best: he is always undercut by his mistakes, but when
the situation requires it, he can figure out what to do. No matter
that, as some animation historian put it, "he thinks longer and harder
than most." He also has a deep sense of decency. Look at the last
panel of "MM's Thanksgiving Dinner," a Gottfredson short story
reprinted a year ago in WDC&S 567. Mickey, trying to kill a
Thankgiving turkey, has been overcome by emotion, and when he knuckles
under and has something else for dinner (giving the turkey some) Goofy
gives him a perfect wry, indescribable _look_ that has some depth to
it. It's hard for me to exactly describe what makes the picture
different from a more typical one, but it's there.
But now, of course, MICKEY. Mickey has real emotions and
failings... plenty of them. You just have to know where to look. The
story "Mickey Mouse Sails for Treasure Island" (1932) has never been
reprinted due to its cannibal caricatures (aside from one English
reprint in Italy... see my list that I posted recently), but contains
perhaps the most tearful moment of all Gottfredson's strips. Wrecked
on an island after leaving Sylvester Shyster's ship via emergency
raft, Mickey discovers the wreck of Minnie's ship, the _Potluck_, and
assumes she has been killed. He spends an entire STRIP trying to get
over it and control his sadness, and right in the middle of his lament
he's grabbed from behind and captured! Who says Mickey's perfect?
Like Donald, his emotions have rendered him blind to his dangerous
situation.
The 'deepest' Mickey story of all HAS been reprinted here,
"Monarch of Medioka." It was Gladstone's most expensive album at
$13.95, and I know few fans who got it. That is an awful loss, as it
is unquestionably Gottfredson's finest story, in my opinion more so
than "Sky Island" and "The Phantom Blot" (which seem to be the two
other general contenders). I recommend that everyone, even Duck fans
who haven't gotten Gottfredson comics in the past, try to find a copy
of it, as it is undoubtedly one of the best comic strips ever done.
(Redrawn version does exist [1950] but the original art is so
unbelievably striking that it just doesn't get better than this.)
It also contains very deep interpretations of Mickey and Minnie.
Mickey, the essential double in appearance of King Michael XIV of
Medioka, is taken there to function as a substitute while the king, a
spendthrift, is given a paid vacation. The king refused to balance
the budget which was long overdue, and the country, still halfway
feudal in these modern days, is falling apart. So Mickey goes to work
on it, but faces a peasant rebellion in which the serfs are being
manipulated by demagogue Duke Varlott (who wants the throne himself).
Varlott strides right into Mickey's throne room to tell him his plan:
it's either the frying pan or the fire, because if he exposes Varlott,
Varlott will expose _him_. And if he doesn't take action, Varlott
will kill the real King Michael, who he's holding captive.
Sitting sadly and quietly in the throne room, Mickey tries to
find flaws in Varlott's plan and cannot. Where's our perfect thinker?
He ISN'T one. Minnie, meanwhile, hears secondhand a news article
about Michael's vacation (cut short, of course) in the US. In a very
typical move for Minnie, she decides to round up Mickey and bring him
home to face the music, since she assumes Mickey's spending the money
the two of them won for finding a treasure in the previous continuity.
Having met Michael just before the latter's kidnapping, she realizes
Mickey is in Medioka, and goes with fire in her eye to the palace,
where Mickey sits, a bird in a gilded cage. When Minnie enters,
Mickey jubilantly falls into her arms. It is an emotional moment if
you're involved with the story... and in this one, it's easy to be,
even if you aren't usually a Mickey fan. Together, Minnie and Mickey
paste together a difficult plan and manage to pull it off, but not
before many nervous moments. Both Mickey and Minnie show bravery, but
the strength of the story is that neither is in complete control;
unlike the later dreary post-1945 stories, Mickey is far from dull and
Minnie is not a compound of sit-com female stereotypes. (She DOES nag
Mickey and try to 'improve' him at the beginning and end of the story
- -- but that, like Scrooge trying to teach Donald the value of being
'smarter than the smarties,' is a running theme in the MM stories.)
"Monarch of Medioka," in its original form, is a wonderful experience
for any Disney fan, and is proof that Mickey is not perfect and can be
a fantastic character when shaped right.
That is where Murry, and everyone else after Gottfredson, went
wrong. Mickey is NOT perfect. He IS more competent than Donald. If
Donald fans ONLY want characters with personalities just like
Donald's, though, life would be dull. Unfortunately, with the
post-Gottfredson Mickey (EXCEPT for Romano Scarpa's, but those have
hardly seen print over here) life IS dull. I'm not disagreeing with
that for an instant. But the REAL Mickey is a fine character.
I am now working for Egmont (was Gutenberghus) in Denmark, on
original stories. For the time being, since beginners are meant to do
short stories in general, I'll be doing Duck material (starting with
an Uncle Scrooge which I sold two months ago), but when I do Mickeys,
they will be bona-fide Mickeys with a character who Barks fans can
appreciate. I am going to try to come to a compromise between
Gottfredson and Barks for my story style when that happens, as well.
I want to get Mickey into more emotionally interesting situations, and
I'll do my best to.
I'm also going to try to specify that my stories, when I do
them, be drawn by artists who normally do the Ducks, and that Mickey
be drawn in the 1940s style. According to Bob Foster, the Danes may
be doing just that type of story in the not-too-distant future as a
regular format.
If Barks fans tried to get more of a handle on Gottfredson,
they would really like him. I'd say that fewer Gottfredson stories
deal with very deep angles than Barks' do, but _they're out there._
I'll give a few titles (some not available in English, but who
knows what will happen?): "Mr Slicker and the Egg Robbers", in which
a despondent Mickey tries to commit suicide but subconsciously is set
against it... this in 1930, no less!; "Blaggard Castle", in which
Mickey is a very impulsive character and in which Horace Horsecollar
is seen with more depth than usual; "The Captive Castaways," "MM in
the Foreign Legion" (Abbeville's may be slightly censored, but is
pretty complete), in which Mickey struggles with his conscience and
determines Pete's fate when the tables are turned several times, "The
Miracle Master," a pessimistic story in the Barks tradition as Mickey
finds that his impulse to enthusiastic helpfulness leads him to
desolation and loose ends in a brilliantly curdled tale"... and the
list goes on.
Well, I have to be off. I have a paper to write, and it's not
about Gottfredson. But I again encourage every Duck fan to try one of
the Gottfredsons I've discussed, and see what you think. They're
strip stories, so they take a while to get going past the gags toward
the beginning in most cases, but they're good... honest, Barks fans,
they're good!
Sincerely,
David Gerstein.
"Psychology, my dear, and propaganda... today's modern
weapons!"
-- Minnie Mouse via FG, "MM Super Salesman" (1941)
[I DO NOT recommend Dell's 1948 reprint of this, which
cuts about 2/3 of the strips out of the story. It makes little sense.
Sadly, I haven't seen the original.]
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From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Dear Folks,
I've been reading your responses to my discussion of Mickey.
What's important for me to stress is that in the BEST Gottfredson
Mickey stories, the characters DO have more complex personalities.
Let's start with Goofy, roundly criticized as "stupid." In
"Mickey Mouse, Mighty Whale Hunter" (reprinted in Abbeville's GOOFY
book, apparently complete and with about all of the original dialog,
although relettered), Mickey is in one of Gottfredson's favorite
situations. Having immobilized Peg-Leg Pete's harpoon, escaped Pete
for the time being, and preparing to leave Pete's whaling ship (where
he was taken after being kidnapped) for his own _Lady Daffodil_,
Mickey suddenly realizes that there's no lifeboat to return in... he's
stuck! (There's one of MICKEY's flaws right there; in his
enthusiasm, he didn't check to see if his entire plan was feasible!)
Suddenly, who should show up but GOOFY, who may not exactly know the
best way of going about things but who had the guts to steal a
lifeboat from the _Daffodil_ himself, escape in it, and find his way
to the _Orca_ where Mickey was held captive. So who says Goofy's dumb
NOW? Well, a moment later he realizes that he didn't keep track of
HOW he found the Orca, and now he can't find his way BACK. There's
Goofy at his best: he is always undercut by his mistakes, but when
the situation requires it, he can figure out what to do. No matter
that, as some animation historian put it, "he thinks longer and harder
than most." He also has a deep sense of decency. Look at the last
panel of "MM's Thanksgiving Dinner," a Gottfredson short story
reprinted a year ago in WDC&S 567. Mickey, trying to kill a
Thankgiving turkey, has been overcome by emotion, and when he knuckles
under and has something else for dinner (giving the turkey some) Goofy
gives him a perfect wry, indescribable _look_ that has some depth to
it. It's hard for me to exactly describe what makes the picture
different from a more typical one, but it's there.
But now, of course, MICKEY. Mickey has real emotions and
failings... plenty of them. You just have to know where to look. The
story "Mickey Mouse Sails for Treasure Island" (1932) has never been
reprinted due to its cannibal caricatures (aside from one English
reprint in Italy... see my list that I posted recently), but contains
perhaps the most tearful moment of all Gottfredson's strips. Wrecked
on an island after leaving Sylvester Shyster's ship via emergency
raft, Mickey discovers the wreck of Minnie's ship, the _Potluck_, and
assumes she has been killed. He spends an entire STRIP trying to get
over it and control his sadness, and right in the middle of his lament
he's grabbed from behind and captured! Who says Mickey's perfect?
Like Donald, his emotions have rendered him blind to his dangerous
situation.
The 'deepest' Mickey story of all HAS been reprinted here,
"Monarch of Medioka." It was Gladstone's most expensive album at
$13.95, and I know few fans who got it. That is an awful loss, as it
is unquestionably Gottfredson's finest story, in my opinion more so
than "Sky Island" and "The Phantom Blot" (which seem to be the two
other general contenders). I recommend that everyone, even Duck fans
who haven't gotten Gottfredson comics in the past, try to find a copy
of it, as it is undoubtedly one of the best comic strips ever done.
(Redrawn version does exist [1950] but the original art is so
unbelievably striking that it just doesn't get better than this.)
It also contains very deep interpretations of Mickey and Minnie.
Mickey, the essential double in appearance of King Michael XIV of
Medioka, is taken there to function as a substitute while the king, a
spendthrift, is given a paid vacation. The king refused to balance
the budget which was long overdue, and the country, still halfway
feudal in these modern days, is falling apart. So Mickey goes to work
on it, but faces a peasant rebellion in which the serfs are being
manipulated by demagogue Duke Varlott (who wants the throne himself).
Varlott strides right into Mickey's throne room to tell him his plan:
it's either the frying pan or the fire, because if he exposes Varlott,
Varlott will expose _him_. And if he doesn't take action, Varlott
will kill the real King Michael, who he's holding captive.
Sitting sadly and quietly in the throne room, Mickey tries to
find flaws in Varlott's plan and cannot. Where's our perfect thinker?
He ISN'T one. Minnie, meanwhile, hears secondhand a news article
about Michael's vacation (cut short, of course) in the US. In a very
typical move for Minnie, she decides to round up Mickey and bring him
home to face the music, since she assumes Mickey's spending the money
the two of them won for finding a treasure in the previous continuity.
Having met Michael just before the latter's kidnapping, she realizes
Mickey is in Medioka, and goes with fire in her eye to the palace,
where Mickey sits, a bird in a gilded cage. When Minnie enters,
Mickey jubilantly falls into her arms. It is an emotional moment if
you're involved with the story... and in this one, it's easy to be,
even if you aren't usually a Mickey fan. Together, Minnie and Mickey
paste together a difficult plan and manage to pull it off, but not
before many nervous moments. Both Mickey and Minnie show bravery, but
the strength of the story is that neither is in complete control;
unlike the later dreary post-1945 stories, Mickey is far from dull and
Minnie is not a compound of sit-com female stereotypes. (She DOES nag
Mickey and try to 'improve' him at the beginning and end of the story
- -- but that, like Scrooge trying to teach Donald the value of being
'smarter than the smarties,' is a running theme in the MM stories.)
"Monarch of Medioka," in its original form, is a wonderful experience
for any Disney fan, and is proof that Mickey is not perfect and can be
a fantastic character when shaped right.
That is where Murry, and everyone else after Gottfredson, went
wrong. Mickey is NOT perfect. He IS more competent than Donald. If
Donald fans ONLY want characters with personalities just like
Donald's, though, life would be dull. Unfortunately, with the
post-Gottfredson Mickey (EXCEPT for Romano Scarpa's, but those have
hardly seen print over here) life IS dull. I'm not disagreeing with
that for an instant. But the REAL Mickey is a fine character.
I am now working for Egmont (was Gutenberghus) in Denmark, on
original stories. For the time being, since beginners are meant to do
short stories in general, I'll be doing Duck material (starting with
an Uncle Scrooge which I sold two months ago), but when I do Mickeys,
they will be bona-fide Mickeys with a character who Barks fans can
appreciate. I am going to try to come to a compromise between
Gottfredson and Barks for my story style when that happens, as well.
I want to get Mickey into more emotionally interesting situations, and
I'll do my best to.
I'm also going to try to specify that my stories, when I do
them, be drawn by artists who normally do the Ducks, and that Mickey
be drawn in the 1940s style. According to Bob Foster, the Danes may
be doing just that type of story in the not-too-distant future as a
regular format.
If Barks fans tried to get more of a handle on Gottfredson,
they would really like him. I'd say that fewer Gottfredson stories
deal with very deep angles than Barks' do, but _they're out there._
I'll give a few titles (some not available in English, but who
knows what will happen?): "Mr Slicker and the Egg Robbers", in which
a despondent Mickey tries to commit suicide but subconsciously is set
against it... this in 1930, no less!; "Blaggard Castle", in which
Mickey is a very impulsive character and in which Horace Horsecollar
is seen with more depth than usual; "The Captive Castaways," "MM in
the Foreign Legion" (Abbeville's may be slightly censored, but is
pretty complete), in which Mickey struggles with his conscience and
determines Pete's fate when the tables are turned several times, "The
Miracle Master," a pessimistic story in the Barks tradition as Mickey
finds that his impulse to enthusiastic helpfulness leads him to
desolation and loose ends in a brilliantly curdled tale"... and the
list goes on.
Well, I have to be off. I have a paper to write, and it's not
about Gottfredson. But I again encourage every Duck fan to try one of
the Gottfredsons I've discussed, and see what you think. They're
strip stories, so they take a while to get going past the gags toward
the beginning in most cases, but they're good... honest, Barks fans,
they're good!
Sincerely,
David Gerstein.
"Psychology, my dear, and propaganda... today's modern
weapons!"
-- Minnie Mouse via FG, "MM Super Salesman" (1941)
[I DO NOT recommend Dell's 1948 reprint of this, which
cuts about 2/3 of the strips out of the story. It makes little sense.
Sadly, I haven't seen the original.]
------- End of Forwarded Message
David A Gerstein
Van Horn's "Magic Box" story
Message 88 -
1993-05-15 at 21:17:46
Dear Folks,
This letter -- regarding the Van Horn story about the
whistling flea -- was actually written last week. I got it back with
all the gibberish at the top that you're about to see, and the
question is: did anyone ever SEE it?
Anyway, here it is NOW, a bit delayed.
Your friend,
David.
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To: Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se>, disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Subject: Re: Continuity
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 11 May 93 15:01:32 BST
Date: Tue, 11 May 93 22:58:06 -0400
From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Dear Folks,
One interesting thing about "The Magic Box" (which I have not
seen) is that it was originally planned and contracted for Disney.
The later Van Horn stories Disney published were quite out of the
order they were done in, and "Magica's Missin' Magic" (as it was then
called) was to have been the backup in DiDDA #17. However, an earlier-made
story, "Kid Stuff," was substituted for it there, and indeed Disney
never did get around to buying the former story because of the decree
that their number of purchased original stories was to be slashed. It
would have been the next one bought (and from the looks of things at
the time, might have been put in DDA 22, where presumably "Kid Stuff"
was originally meant to appear).
Or so Bob Foster told me once.
The interesting thing about Baron Itzy Bitzy, the whistling
flea, (that's his real name, although it could be "Baron _Von_") is
that "The Whistling Ghost" in DT 10 is not his first appearance.
Earlier on he appeared in the four-page story, "Lost on a Dog," which
was in a Gladstone US issue!
It looks like this character is Van Horn's attempt at a
continuing character, a pet of the Ducks... and a most bizarre one,
since he doesn't have any real characteristics other than singing and
biting.
The solicitations for the third month of Disneys mention a new
Van Horn entitled "Out of Harmony's Way." Is this original for
Gladstone, or also European?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
------- End of Forwarded Message
This letter -- regarding the Van Horn story about the
whistling flea -- was actually written last week. I got it back with
all the gibberish at the top that you're about to see, and the
question is: did anyone ever SEE it?
Anyway, here it is NOW, a bit delayed.
Your friend,
David.
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To: Fredrik Ekman <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se>, disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE
Subject: Re: Continuity
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 11 May 93 15:01:32 BST
Date: Tue, 11 May 93 22:58:06 -0400
From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Dear Folks,
One interesting thing about "The Magic Box" (which I have not
seen) is that it was originally planned and contracted for Disney.
The later Van Horn stories Disney published were quite out of the
order they were done in, and "Magica's Missin' Magic" (as it was then
called) was to have been the backup in DiDDA #17. However, an earlier-made
story, "Kid Stuff," was substituted for it there, and indeed Disney
never did get around to buying the former story because of the decree
that their number of purchased original stories was to be slashed. It
would have been the next one bought (and from the looks of things at
the time, might have been put in DDA 22, where presumably "Kid Stuff"
was originally meant to appear).
Or so Bob Foster told me once.
The interesting thing about Baron Itzy Bitzy, the whistling
flea, (that's his real name, although it could be "Baron _Von_") is
that "The Whistling Ghost" in DT 10 is not his first appearance.
Earlier on he appeared in the four-page story, "Lost on a Dog," which
was in a Gladstone US issue!
It looks like this character is Van Horn's attempt at a
continuing character, a pet of the Ducks... and a most bizarre one,
since he doesn't have any real characteristics other than singing and
biting.
The solicitations for the third month of Disneys mention a new
Van Horn entitled "Out of Harmony's Way." Is this original for
Gladstone, or also European?
Your friend,
David Gerstein
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Per Starback
Bouncing messages (again), Was: of mice and ducks (again!)
Message 89 -
1993-05-15 at 21:29:35
> It was written a week ago and today I got it back accompanied by the
> following. Did any of you get it before now?
Yes we did. I've warned about this once to the list (before you
became a member), but I didn't think of mentioning it in the welcoming
message. When you send mail to the list it's more of less like you
send it to every recipient of the list, so the message you got only
indicated that *one* member of the list didn't get it. In an ideal
world, I, as the list administrator, would get all those bounces
instead.
(I have already removed that particular user for the time being, but
there may be more bounces coming, as the bounce message wasn't sent
out until after three days!)
What to do when to get a bounce: Don't resend it. The best is if you
forward the bounce message to me --- otherwise just ignore it.
ObDisney: Has Barks started painting again? I've read that there are
rumours to that effect.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> following. Did any of you get it before now?
Yes we did. I've warned about this once to the list (before you
became a member), but I didn't think of mentioning it in the welcoming
message. When you send mail to the list it's more of less like you
send it to every recipient of the list, so the message you got only
indicated that *one* member of the list didn't get it. In an ideal
world, I, as the list administrator, would get all those bounces
instead.
(I have already removed that particular user for the time being, but
there may be more bounces coming, as the bounce message wasn't sent
out until after three days!)
What to do when to get a bounce: Don't resend it. The best is if you
forward the bounce message to me --- otherwise just ignore it.
ObDisney: Has Barks started painting again? I've read that there are
rumours to that effect.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Fredrik Ekman
Back to Lostralia
Message 90 -
1993-05-15 at 22:31:15
Mark McConnell wrote:
> does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
> this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
No, I haven't read it, but I _have_ read two follow-ups of it. Both of
these picture Mickey going back and again taking the role of the King.
It was a long time since I read any of them, but I may be able to find
them again. At least one of them had a very good story and both had
good art. One of them was even my favourite MM for a while, when I
regarded anything (almost) with MM as trash. The interesting thing is
that, unless my memory fails, both these where Italian. Unfortunately,
I won't be able to find any of them until the summer vacation, and then
I will not be back to tell you about it until the end of the summer. I
guess it doesn't matter anyways...
/Fredrik Ekman
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> does anyone remember an adventure with Mickey in Lostralia? I read
> this story in the early '70s and don't even know what it was called.
No, I haven't read it, but I _have_ read two follow-ups of it. Both of
these picture Mickey going back and again taking the role of the King.
It was a long time since I read any of them, but I may be able to find
them again. At least one of them had a very good story and both had
good art. One of them was even my favourite MM for a while, when I
regarded anything (almost) with MM as trash. The interesting thing is
that, unless my memory fails, both these where Italian. Unfortunately,
I won't be able to find any of them until the summer vacation, and then
I will not be back to tell you about it until the end of the summer. I
guess it doesn't matter anyways...
/Fredrik Ekman
___________________________
______| |______
\ | In Donaldismo Veritas | /
> |___________________________| <
/______\| |/______\"