Dear Folks,
Harry asked why, given Vic Lockman's level of quality, he was
chosen to do new stories by Gladstone. Well, it's simple -- he came to
Gladstone and ASKED to write new stories. "But we have no regular
artists," they said. "Then I'll draw them," he said. This is what John
Clark explained at the San Diego Comic Con panel last summer.
MANY Disney comic fans who've been increasingly vocal in the
letter columns in the past few years -- folks like Kevin Kuffa, Fritz
Baugh, Joe Torcivia, Cris Barat, etc. -- have applauded the new Lockman
stories. When I've talked to some of them, it appears to be just
because they're glad to see someone from the old days still hanging in
there. For me, that's not a criteria in judging comics. But I can't
argue when it's a criteria for others. When I've met with some of these
same comic fans, I've enjoyed talking with them greatly and found that
on most other issues, they see completely eye-to-eye with me (and many
of our members, too). You go figure.
(Note: I'd like to get some of these same fans in our E-Mail
group, but last time I spoke with them, they didn't have E-Mail.)
Back to Lockman: I think that John Clark may not care much for
his work either, but Lockman has seniority. What I mean is, I think
Gladstone wouldn't want to offend someone who has found acceptance by
all other Disney comic publishers of the past. Even Gladstone
themselves have reprinted many of his 1950s stories. And you can bet
Disney would approve his art, because he uses those 1970s models for the
characters which, for Disney, are the official ones. (That's right --
I've seen the "official" model sheets for DD, US, and HDL. They are
dated 1971 and are drawn by Tony Strobl.)
I don't think Lockman's writing is all bad, even if I don't like
his art. The Beagle Boys story in USA 28 committed what was for me a
sin -- giving one Beagle a name, and a weird one at that. But I thought
that the general idea was a good one. Then his most recent strip, in DM
29, I thought was excellently written -- very well defined how HDL can
be little scientists one moment, and very childlike a moment later.
DON AULT: If you're reading this, I'd like to tell you that I
have a copy of DDOS 348 ("Crocodile Collector") with your name written
across the front in childish handwriting. Is there more than one Don
Ault out there, or did your mom sell your old comics? Do you want this
one back?
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Oh, roar a roar for Nora -- Nora Alice, in the night! For she
has seen Aurora Borealis burning bright!"
Author
Topic: 199411
(156 messages)
9475609
Vic Lockman + note for Don Ault
Message 106 -
1994-11-17 at 13:30:32
Mattias Hallin
Introduc(k)tions and such
Message 107 -
1994-11-17 at 16:59:10
DAVID:
I checked, and you're right -- it seems that the file Per saved at the
ftp site was the *first* edition of the intros, not the second, updated, with
your bio included. Actually, more bios than yours was missing in the ftp file.
I've digged through the ftp site, though, and found both the 2nd ed. of the
Introduc(k)tions, as well as your correction of your auto-bio. So in the
upcoming, new-and-bright *3rd ed.* your corrected self-intro will be presented,
"complete and unabridged for the first time ever...!"
Anyone else wants to be included still has a few days to send me a short note
about themselves... Let's say until about Wednesday, next week, when I'll be
back from a short but well-earned few days off.
'Til then -- all my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
I checked, and you're right -- it seems that the file Per saved at the
ftp site was the *first* edition of the intros, not the second, updated, with
your bio included. Actually, more bios than yours was missing in the ftp file.
I've digged through the ftp site, though, and found both the 2nd ed. of the
Introduc(k)tions, as well as your correction of your auto-bio. So in the
upcoming, new-and-bright *3rd ed.* your corrected self-intro will be presented,
"complete and unabridged for the first time ever...!"
Anyone else wants to be included still has a few days to send me a short note
about themselves... Let's say until about Wednesday, next week, when I'll be
back from a short but well-earned few days off.
'Til then -- all my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Mostly about the MM gag story
Message 108 -
1994-11-17 at 18:10:16
Just time for a short answer...
Italian MM gag story
--------------------
Ah, yes. I have of course read a lot of Italian 30 page gag stories
too, but I remembered/mentioned this one because it was _really_
good. With most Italian stories I read, I just read them, and then
forget about them. With a few stories I have some sort of feeling,
when I've finished reading them, which tell me that this was good.
A lot of Italian stories ends, IMHO, without any point. "What?
Finished? What was the point with this story?". Other times they
just go on and on, with no points either.
Very often, especially in stories from the sixties and early
seventies, the characters are too exaggerated. That could maybe
have worked if it was in gags like Taliaferro's, but in adventure
stories, in some sort of Barksian style, it's very misplaced. It
doesn't make sense when Donald is jumping into the roof and rolling
around, in the air, for two pages, when HDL have just forgot to buy
his favourite TV snacks.
There are of course cultural differences between Italy and Norway,
but...
This Mickey gag story was simply very good. Good Italian adventure
stories aren't that seldom, but I can't remember many gag stories
I've really liked.
So, David, you want to know who the alien was? Some time ago I read
the first letters from Italians on this list. The subject was Mickey
being married... ;-) Maybe I should let you wait a few more days.
More funny this way, isn't it?
No, no! Don't get crazy! I like to have you here, our inexhaustible
(if that's the word for something that won't ever get empty -
dictionarys are for chickens ;-) source of information.
It was only the _shape_ of the alien that was familiar, not the
person. He shows up to be exactly like Mickey, with some space suit.
This similarity was, of course, the reason why he trusted in Mickey.
Harry:
> But why do you sum up the _entire_ contents of the issue? Would anyone be
> interested in the bad Egmont stories that are usually published? 8-)
Ah, at last. I was just waiting for somebody to ask that question :-)
I had the impression that some of the Americans on the list didn't know
much aboout Egmont stories, and how they're published. Someone asked if
a particular story was representative, or in some kind similar to Egmont
MM stories. After listing the contents of the Norwegian DD&Co for a few
weeks, I think I've given some sort of picture of it.
Jorgen (who's waiting for a certain story with Donald and a pig)
Italian MM gag story
--------------------
Ah, yes. I have of course read a lot of Italian 30 page gag stories
too, but I remembered/mentioned this one because it was _really_
good. With most Italian stories I read, I just read them, and then
forget about them. With a few stories I have some sort of feeling,
when I've finished reading them, which tell me that this was good.
A lot of Italian stories ends, IMHO, without any point. "What?
Finished? What was the point with this story?". Other times they
just go on and on, with no points either.
Very often, especially in stories from the sixties and early
seventies, the characters are too exaggerated. That could maybe
have worked if it was in gags like Taliaferro's, but in adventure
stories, in some sort of Barksian style, it's very misplaced. It
doesn't make sense when Donald is jumping into the roof and rolling
around, in the air, for two pages, when HDL have just forgot to buy
his favourite TV snacks.
There are of course cultural differences between Italy and Norway,
but...
This Mickey gag story was simply very good. Good Italian adventure
stories aren't that seldom, but I can't remember many gag stories
I've really liked.
So, David, you want to know who the alien was? Some time ago I read
the first letters from Italians on this list. The subject was Mickey
being married... ;-) Maybe I should let you wait a few more days.
More funny this way, isn't it?
No, no! Don't get crazy! I like to have you here, our inexhaustible
(if that's the word for something that won't ever get empty -
dictionarys are for chickens ;-) source of information.
It was only the _shape_ of the alien that was familiar, not the
person. He shows up to be exactly like Mickey, with some space suit.
This similarity was, of course, the reason why he trusted in Mickey.
Harry:
> But why do you sum up the _entire_ contents of the issue? Would anyone be
> interested in the bad Egmont stories that are usually published? 8-)
Ah, at last. I was just waiting for somebody to ask that question :-)
I had the impression that some of the Americans on the list didn't know
much aboout Egmont stories, and how they're published. Someone asked if
a particular story was representative, or in some kind similar to Egmont
MM stories. After listing the contents of the Norwegian DD&Co for a few
weeks, I think I've given some sort of picture of it.
Jorgen (who's waiting for a certain story with Donald and a pig)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
The Unknown Swine
Message 109 -
1994-11-18 at 15:10:33
Dear Jorgen (and everybody),
You mention "a certain story about Donald and a pig" that
you're waiting for. My second story, drawn by Vicar, is titled
"Pork-Barrel Politics" -- it's about Donald and THREE pigs. Are
these stories one and the same? Are you mentioning the story because
you have been told about it by ME? Or are you mentioning the story
because (please! please!) you've seen it announced by Egmont as
being in next week's issue??? I know that Anina Bennett had art on
the story in August, although she has not sent it to me yet. If
Egmont only waited until now to publish it, I'd sure be surprised.
But I'd also be very glad...
This 11-pager is a little heavy on dialogue, I think when
re-reading the script now, but I still think the idea was one of my
better ones. We'll see how you like it.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
You mention "a certain story about Donald and a pig" that
you're waiting for. My second story, drawn by Vicar, is titled
"Pork-Barrel Politics" -- it's about Donald and THREE pigs. Are
these stories one and the same? Are you mentioning the story because
you have been told about it by ME? Or are you mentioning the story
because (please! please!) you've seen it announced by Egmont as
being in next week's issue??? I know that Anina Bennett had art on
the story in August, although she has not sent it to me yet. If
Egmont only waited until now to publish it, I'd sure be surprised.
But I'd also be very glad...
This 11-pager is a little heavy on dialogue, I think when
re-reading the script now, but I still think the idea was one of my
better ones. We'll see how you like it.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #496.
Message 110 -
1994-11-19 at 06:51:58
MATTIAS:
Did you see my message about the $croogeian quotes I found
about his Money Bin? You never had a comment.
Did you see my message about the $croogeian quotes I found
about his Money Bin? You never had a comment.
Mike Pohjola
Replies
Message 111 -
1994-11-19 at 16:47:42
Please tell me, if/when I do some mistakes in here. It's my first
time in a mailing list.
ALL:
Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
JORGEN:
You said something about the motor of 313, which doesn't seem to match
excactly the model of the body. Well, maybe Barks didn't know that much
about motors and thought they all looked the same (I did, before I read
your writing).
DON: (have to say something to you, so my friend will turn green ;)
Has there ever been a Barks (or somebody else) story, about Scrooge
sticking that rifle in the ice? See, this's been troubling me for years
now and I still am not sure. I seem to remember a story published in
'60s at Finland, where he did that. But that's just about all I do
remember. It's tearing me apart!
JAMES:
I don't think, Jack Benny was anyhow an inspiration to Uncle Scrooge
(though I haven't seen a single episode of his show), but I think, that
the first scetches of US were inspired by Ebenezer Scrooge. Wasn't that
christmas story the first? Bah, humbug!-)
AUGUST:
You asked Jorgen about those Disney Afternoon cartoons in Scandinavia.
Well, FInland isn't Scandinavia, but very close of it, so... First of all,
most Finns like to think cartoons as something only for kids. (Including
Simpsons and Beavis and Butt-head) And the fact, there are animals in
there, make them even more 'childish'. So, there's Darkwing Duck and
Little Mermaid cartoons shown every sunday morning speaking English. I like
DD, but LM goes little over the top... "Hi, daddy. It followed me home, can
I keep it?" ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
time in a mailing list.
ALL:
Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
JORGEN:
You said something about the motor of 313, which doesn't seem to match
excactly the model of the body. Well, maybe Barks didn't know that much
about motors and thought they all looked the same (I did, before I read
your writing).
DON: (have to say something to you, so my friend will turn green ;)
Has there ever been a Barks (or somebody else) story, about Scrooge
sticking that rifle in the ice? See, this's been troubling me for years
now and I still am not sure. I seem to remember a story published in
'60s at Finland, where he did that. But that's just about all I do
remember. It's tearing me apart!
JAMES:
I don't think, Jack Benny was anyhow an inspiration to Uncle Scrooge
(though I haven't seen a single episode of his show), but I think, that
the first scetches of US were inspired by Ebenezer Scrooge. Wasn't that
christmas story the first? Bah, humbug!-)
AUGUST:
You asked Jorgen about those Disney Afternoon cartoons in Scandinavia.
Well, FInland isn't Scandinavia, but very close of it, so... First of all,
most Finns like to think cartoons as something only for kids. (Including
Simpsons and Beavis and Butt-head) And the fact, there are animals in
there, make them even more 'childish'. So, there's Darkwing Duck and
Little Mermaid cartoons shown every sunday morning speaking English. I like
DD, but LM goes little over the top... "Hi, daddy. It followed me home, can
I keep it?" ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Christian Hoepker
E-mail-adress
Message 112 -
1994-11-19 at 17:07:00
Samstag, 19.11.94, 17:00
Hy,
I don't know if you can help me, but if there ist any possibility to find
out, if
WALT Disney Comp.
has an e-mail or especially an IN-adress, please tell me.
Send your answer to Christian_Hoepker at DU.MAUS.DE.
Thank you for your help.
Christian
## CrossPoint v3.0 ##
Hy,
I don't know if you can help me, but if there ist any possibility to find
out, if
WALT Disney Comp.
has an e-mail or especially an IN-adress, please tell me.
Send your answer to Christian_Hoepker at DU.MAUS.DE.
Thank you for your help.
Christian
## CrossPoint v3.0 ##
Tallmo
Rifle in the ice
Message 113 -
1994-11-20 at 17:10:09
Mike Pohjola:
I think the story you are looking for is a DD adventure called "The Secret
Of The Glacier" drawn not by Barks but by Tony Strobl.In the Swedish list
of DD&Co this story is referred to as 6052-02 W DD 51-02 20. US has
lost his sleigh in a whole in a glacier and to be able to come back and
rescue it later he marks the place with his rifle.
Karl-Erik Tallmo
I think the story you are looking for is a DD adventure called "The Secret
Of The Glacier" drawn not by Barks but by Tony Strobl.In the Swedish list
of DD&Co this story is referred to as 6052-02 W DD 51-02 20. US has
lost his sleigh in a whole in a glacier and to be able to come back and
rescue it later he marks the place with his rifle.
Karl-Erik Tallmo
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #498.
Message 114 -
1994-11-21 at 08:24:49
MIKE P.:
Yes, I swiped that bit about $crooge losing a sled into a
glacial rift in the Yukon, marking the spot with a rifle, then returning
years later just as the glacier chunk breaks off -- and used it as the
centerpiece of "The Last Sled to Dawson". That original Tony Strobl
story was in DONALD DUCK (not UNCLE $CROOGE) #50 or thereabouts. It had
always been my favorite non-Barks Duck story... perhaps the only
non-Barks Duck story I liked... due to the scene where the iceberg
breaks off the glacier and we see the sled buried deep in the ice where
it had been sealed for over 50 years.
After all these years, I can't recall precisely what I was
thinking when I swiped that bit, though I made no secret of it at the
time. But I think I was intrigued by the idea that, since I was doing a
story which would automatically become Disney property, I realized I
could swipe any idea from any Disney comic, TV show, movie, book, or
anything that there had ever been, and it was perfectly acceptable.
It's interesting that Barks' first use of $crooge McDuck was
slightly based on Dickens' Ebenezer Scrooge. Barks needed a wealthy
cynic for "Christmas on Bear Mountain" whom he had no special intention
of ever using again. But thereafter, Barks' $crooge evolved into a very
different sort of character -- after all, Dickens' Scrooge was not
particularly wealthy, he was just a cynical miser. I've always thought
that if Barks hadn't created $crooge McDuck for use in a CHRISTMAS
story, his name may have been completely different -- there would have
been no reason to name him "Scrooge".
Yes, I swiped that bit about $crooge losing a sled into a
glacial rift in the Yukon, marking the spot with a rifle, then returning
years later just as the glacier chunk breaks off -- and used it as the
centerpiece of "The Last Sled to Dawson". That original Tony Strobl
story was in DONALD DUCK (not UNCLE $CROOGE) #50 or thereabouts. It had
always been my favorite non-Barks Duck story... perhaps the only
non-Barks Duck story I liked... due to the scene where the iceberg
breaks off the glacier and we see the sled buried deep in the ice where
it had been sealed for over 50 years.
After all these years, I can't recall precisely what I was
thinking when I swiped that bit, though I made no secret of it at the
time. But I think I was intrigued by the idea that, since I was doing a
story which would automatically become Disney property, I realized I
could swipe any idea from any Disney comic, TV show, movie, book, or
anything that there had ever been, and it was perfectly acceptable.
It's interesting that Barks' first use of $crooge McDuck was
slightly based on Dickens' Ebenezer Scrooge. Barks needed a wealthy
cynic for "Christmas on Bear Mountain" whom he had no special intention
of ever using again. But thereafter, Barks' $crooge evolved into a very
different sort of character -- after all, Dickens' Scrooge was not
particularly wealthy, he was just a cynical miser. I've always thought
that if Barks hadn't created $crooge McDuck for use in a CHRISTMAS
story, his name may have been completely different -- there would have
been no reason to name him "Scrooge".
Mattias Hallin
Yes, I saw it!
Message 115 -
1994-11-21 at 19:44:23
DON!
Sorry I didn't say at least this much; but I've been terribly busy lately,
which is why I haven't gotten round to admitting that, "Yes, OK, I was wrong,
dadburn it; you're point is proven, dam' you're hide; I stand rebuked, Sir!"
No, but seriously, I'd give that second quote priority, because it is more
reconcilable with the other one than vice versa. And about the 70 years ago
thing, isn't that the same as what $crooge says about himself in the Voodoo
Hoodoo sequence; that he met Foola Zoola 70 years ago!? Or is that somewhere
else? I seem to recall, however, that you already had a similar problem
somewhere in the Barks canon. Probably "70 years" is just $crooge's way of
saying "a long time ago"...?
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Sorry I didn't say at least this much; but I've been terribly busy lately,
which is why I haven't gotten round to admitting that, "Yes, OK, I was wrong,
dadburn it; you're point is proven, dam' you're hide; I stand rebuked, Sir!"
No, but seriously, I'd give that second quote priority, because it is more
reconcilable with the other one than vice versa. And about the 70 years ago
thing, isn't that the same as what $crooge says about himself in the Voodoo
Hoodoo sequence; that he met Foola Zoola 70 years ago!? Or is that somewhere
else? I seem to recall, however, that you already had a similar problem
somewhere in the Barks canon. Probably "70 years" is just $crooge's way of
saying "a long time ago"...?
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Pork-Barrel Politics and Walden Duck Pond
Message 116 -
1994-11-22 at 00:50:35
My grandmother was 80 on saturday, so I've been in Fredrikstad for a few
days.
Pork-Barrel Politics
--------------------
DAVID:
So there are _three_ pigs. Yes, I was thinking about your story,
and I'm terribly sorry to say that it's not in this weeks DD&Co,
and doesn't seem to appear next week either. Actually, I don't
know about that, because they've only presented one of the stories
coming next week. Rest of the page is used for a picture of this
year's christmas calendar, and what we will learn in the Junior
Woodchuck's guidebook next week. Even if Soland has made this
magazine better in the last years, it's still meant for kids too.
Not that that's so bad in itself, but... (hey, what am I talking
about? I'm going to buy two of these "calendar issues" so that I can
have one untouched for the collection, and one that I can use to
shorten the time before christmas :)
I guess they'll use your story as a lead story, and then I guess
it won't appear next week. the story presented is about Donald
being a sales agent, or something, for some cleaning stuff.
The reason why I thought about your story was that we've seen a lot
of DD eight and ten pagers the last weeks, and although a few of them
were good, a lot of them were not. I have the impression that your
"Pork-Barrel Politics" will be your next story to appear, and I'm
sure it's a good one. The lead story in this weeks DD&Co will satisfy
me for a while, though. WOW! It's a quite long time since I've seen
a new story by this artist, but I'm quite sure. This _must_ be Marco
Rota!
I like stories with a lot of dialogue. Ever read a Tintin story?
I'm very glad you liked my listings of contents! Then it wasn't just
a waste of time. I will continue.
313
---
MIKE (I guess you don't pronounce that as Americans would do it ;-) :
You're right, of course. The car is just used in any way just to fit
into the story it's featured in.
Walden Duck Pond
----------------
DAVE: I forgot the code of the D-story in the latest Onkel Skrue, but
you will probably recognize it, if it's your story I'm reffering to.
This story proves, at least to me, that _both_ art and story are
important. Not equally important, though. A bad story can't be made
good with great art, but a good story can be harmed a lot with lousy
art - which is the case with this story. I read it a couple of times
to make sure I knew what I meant about it. You've done a good job in,
eh, resembling Barks. I recognize "Barks" in your Scrooge. The way he
wants to get away from everything, and then gets well again when he's
doing some trading.
Just to make sure we're talking about the same story: Scrooge
wants to get away from everything, and is having a small house built
for him on a mountain. Far away from the civilization. The house is
equipped with everything to make life easy. A couple of neighbors are
a little sceptical to this cirkus. Then everything breaks down, and
Scrooge will have to do on his own, which he manages perfectly.
So this is Raf (given that this _is_ your story). He will never be
among my favourites. It seems to me that he's a skilled artist, but
Scrooge should not look like some unidentified strange water fowl, I
think... This is not the human being Scrooge McDuck. This is just a
foolish little animal. Your story would have done a lot better with
another artist.
It seems to me that you must have had a lot of fun while you made
this story.
One thing puzzle me a bit. The story seems to have two endings...
One of them being in the middle of the story. After the house was
"removed" by the lightning, Scrooge builds a small "house" from what
he finds in the forest (like the JW's would have done). The neighbors
drop by, and they trade food for coffee. The first time I read the
story, I thought this was the ending. IMHO it could very well have been.
But then a "new" story starts, where Scrooge is having his planned
vacation _without_ every equipment, and have to make everything himself.
"This story" is also good, and it ends with Scrooge trading with money,
instead of coffee. This is _not_ meant as critizism. I'm just saying
this because I think it's a bit unusual (a lot of stories have a total
lack of a good ending, but this story has got two!)
The contents of DD&Co #47 will appear very soon.
Jorgen
days.
Pork-Barrel Politics
--------------------
DAVID:
So there are _three_ pigs. Yes, I was thinking about your story,
and I'm terribly sorry to say that it's not in this weeks DD&Co,
and doesn't seem to appear next week either. Actually, I don't
know about that, because they've only presented one of the stories
coming next week. Rest of the page is used for a picture of this
year's christmas calendar, and what we will learn in the Junior
Woodchuck's guidebook next week. Even if Soland has made this
magazine better in the last years, it's still meant for kids too.
Not that that's so bad in itself, but... (hey, what am I talking
about? I'm going to buy two of these "calendar issues" so that I can
have one untouched for the collection, and one that I can use to
shorten the time before christmas :)
I guess they'll use your story as a lead story, and then I guess
it won't appear next week. the story presented is about Donald
being a sales agent, or something, for some cleaning stuff.
The reason why I thought about your story was that we've seen a lot
of DD eight and ten pagers the last weeks, and although a few of them
were good, a lot of them were not. I have the impression that your
"Pork-Barrel Politics" will be your next story to appear, and I'm
sure it's a good one. The lead story in this weeks DD&Co will satisfy
me for a while, though. WOW! It's a quite long time since I've seen
a new story by this artist, but I'm quite sure. This _must_ be Marco
Rota!
I like stories with a lot of dialogue. Ever read a Tintin story?
I'm very glad you liked my listings of contents! Then it wasn't just
a waste of time. I will continue.
313
---
MIKE (I guess you don't pronounce that as Americans would do it ;-) :
You're right, of course. The car is just used in any way just to fit
into the story it's featured in.
Walden Duck Pond
----------------
DAVE: I forgot the code of the D-story in the latest Onkel Skrue, but
you will probably recognize it, if it's your story I'm reffering to.
This story proves, at least to me, that _both_ art and story are
important. Not equally important, though. A bad story can't be made
good with great art, but a good story can be harmed a lot with lousy
art - which is the case with this story. I read it a couple of times
to make sure I knew what I meant about it. You've done a good job in,
eh, resembling Barks. I recognize "Barks" in your Scrooge. The way he
wants to get away from everything, and then gets well again when he's
doing some trading.
Just to make sure we're talking about the same story: Scrooge
wants to get away from everything, and is having a small house built
for him on a mountain. Far away from the civilization. The house is
equipped with everything to make life easy. A couple of neighbors are
a little sceptical to this cirkus. Then everything breaks down, and
Scrooge will have to do on his own, which he manages perfectly.
So this is Raf (given that this _is_ your story). He will never be
among my favourites. It seems to me that he's a skilled artist, but
Scrooge should not look like some unidentified strange water fowl, I
think... This is not the human being Scrooge McDuck. This is just a
foolish little animal. Your story would have done a lot better with
another artist.
It seems to me that you must have had a lot of fun while you made
this story.
One thing puzzle me a bit. The story seems to have two endings...
One of them being in the middle of the story. After the house was
"removed" by the lightning, Scrooge builds a small "house" from what
he finds in the forest (like the JW's would have done). The neighbors
drop by, and they trade food for coffee. The first time I read the
story, I thought this was the ending. IMHO it could very well have been.
But then a "new" story starts, where Scrooge is having his planned
vacation _without_ every equipment, and have to make everything himself.
"This story" is also good, and it ends with Scrooge trading with money,
instead of coffee. This is _not_ meant as critizism. I'm just saying
this because I think it's a bit unusual (a lot of stories have a total
lack of a good ending, but this story has got two!)
The contents of DD&Co #47 will appear very soon.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #47
Message 117 -
1994-11-22 at 01:56:04
Donald Duck & Co #47
--------------------
Front cover shows Donald climbing down a ladder. Bolivar is sitting on
the floor, with one of the steps in his mouth.
This issue includes a new part of the Junior Woodchuck's guidebook,
and the first part of this year's christmas calendar.
First is the usual Taliaferro strip. This one is from 1948.
The lead story (D93577, 12 pages) must be a Rota story. The art is
wonderful! A lot of details too. One thing I like about Rota's art,
is that the cars look so real. The ducks, Scrooge, Donald and HDL,
are driving through a desert in a huge American convertible. A look
at the size of it's fins tells me that it must have been built around
1960. Then a police car from the seventies appear.
The story is about a sheriff who's giving a lot of tickets for
everything he can make up. The story is good, and the art is simply
wonderful. Oh, there are indians here...
Next is a Super Goof story (D90297, 5 pages). Goofy's going to the
beach. He's supposed to meet Clarabelle. A whale has stranded on the
beach, and wants to get out in the water. Now Goofy is just eating a
couple of Super Nuts (that's what they're called in Norway, although
that pun is not in the Norwegian words...) and fly the whale out to
the sea... No, actually it's much more clever than that. A gull is
disturbing Goofy so he loses the nuts. He then manages to get
swallowed by the whale, and then gets out from the breathing hole. _Then_
he flies the whale out to his friends, but now he's changing into Goofy,
and falls down. The whales are saving him.
I like both the story and the art.
Then a Donald one-pager (D92154). Donald has read a book about carate,
and is going to break a solid peace of wood...
The fourth story (D90121, 4 pages), not counting the strip, is a
four-pager with Donald and Gladstone both planning to invite Daisy for
a visit to the cinema. Instead of making a contest to find out who will
be the lucky one, she goes out with both of them. DD and GG are
unfriendly to each other in the beginning, then they work together on
getting rid of a possible third cavaler, then they get unfriendly again
when they come to the goodbye kiss. The art is good, and the plot is
new, so I can't complain about that.
Then a Gyro Gearloose story (D92494, 6 pages). Gyro has invented a
flying saucer with a big magnet. He uses it to help out cars that are
stuck in the traffic. The Beagle Boys capture the saucer. You can
guess what kind of vehicles they are going to "help out".
And at last, well, almost, a new continuation story (D93063). Mickey
and Goofy are going on a vacation trip to a hotel close to a river with
a lot of salmon. When they get there, the salmon has disappeard (that's
familiar). At the same time a suspicious guest appears. MM and Goofy
start to investigate the mystery, of course.
I don't have the copy with that lousy farm story, which appeared a
couple of weeks ago, here, but this could have been drawn by the same
artist. It's not as bad as that farm story, though. It's _certainly_ not
Ferioli.
The last "story" is a Taliaferro one-pager with Donald (KF 1-29-50).
I would say this is a good issue.
Jorgen
"This place is probably scientifically interesting,
but I want to get out!"
--------------------
Front cover shows Donald climbing down a ladder. Bolivar is sitting on
the floor, with one of the steps in his mouth.
This issue includes a new part of the Junior Woodchuck's guidebook,
and the first part of this year's christmas calendar.
First is the usual Taliaferro strip. This one is from 1948.
The lead story (D93577, 12 pages) must be a Rota story. The art is
wonderful! A lot of details too. One thing I like about Rota's art,
is that the cars look so real. The ducks, Scrooge, Donald and HDL,
are driving through a desert in a huge American convertible. A look
at the size of it's fins tells me that it must have been built around
1960. Then a police car from the seventies appear.
The story is about a sheriff who's giving a lot of tickets for
everything he can make up. The story is good, and the art is simply
wonderful. Oh, there are indians here...
Next is a Super Goof story (D90297, 5 pages). Goofy's going to the
beach. He's supposed to meet Clarabelle. A whale has stranded on the
beach, and wants to get out in the water. Now Goofy is just eating a
couple of Super Nuts (that's what they're called in Norway, although
that pun is not in the Norwegian words...) and fly the whale out to
the sea... No, actually it's much more clever than that. A gull is
disturbing Goofy so he loses the nuts. He then manages to get
swallowed by the whale, and then gets out from the breathing hole. _Then_
he flies the whale out to his friends, but now he's changing into Goofy,
and falls down. The whales are saving him.
I like both the story and the art.
Then a Donald one-pager (D92154). Donald has read a book about carate,
and is going to break a solid peace of wood...
The fourth story (D90121, 4 pages), not counting the strip, is a
four-pager with Donald and Gladstone both planning to invite Daisy for
a visit to the cinema. Instead of making a contest to find out who will
be the lucky one, she goes out with both of them. DD and GG are
unfriendly to each other in the beginning, then they work together on
getting rid of a possible third cavaler, then they get unfriendly again
when they come to the goodbye kiss. The art is good, and the plot is
new, so I can't complain about that.
Then a Gyro Gearloose story (D92494, 6 pages). Gyro has invented a
flying saucer with a big magnet. He uses it to help out cars that are
stuck in the traffic. The Beagle Boys capture the saucer. You can
guess what kind of vehicles they are going to "help out".
And at last, well, almost, a new continuation story (D93063). Mickey
and Goofy are going on a vacation trip to a hotel close to a river with
a lot of salmon. When they get there, the salmon has disappeard (that's
familiar). At the same time a suspicious guest appears. MM and Goofy
start to investigate the mystery, of course.
I don't have the copy with that lousy farm story, which appeared a
couple of weeks ago, here, but this could have been drawn by the same
artist. It's not as bad as that farm story, though. It's _certainly_ not
Ferioli.
The last "story" is a Taliaferro one-pager with Donald (KF 1-29-50).
I would say this is a good issue.
Jorgen
"This place is probably scientifically interesting,
but I want to get out!"
Wilmer Rivers
"Waddie" you know!
Message 118 -
1994-11-22 at 04:20:56
Back in early September, Don Rosa replied to Mattias:
----------------
Why did I shift the camera over to crop out that extra "waddie"
in my copy of the old Barks' panel in "Lo$"#4? Again, I have trouble
recalling stuff from over 2 1/2 years ago. I guess I had no need of two
extra cowboys in my sequence, just one? I guess. By the way, don't try
to work the word "waddie" into conversations with Americans. I have
searched long and hard searching for any reference anywhere to something
called a "waddie" and have found none. I went so far as to write and ask
Barks himself once a few years back (pre-Weasel) and he said he couldn't
recall what it meant and that it must have just been a word from his
youth.
----------------
Well, I just found a reference to a "waddie"! There's a local public
radio station here that has several programs of old Country and Western
music, some with emphasis on the country and some on the western. On
Saturday one of these programs was playing some "classic" records by
the one and only Gene Autrey (the immortal, absolutely definitive
guitar-strumming "singing cowboy" star of a long-running radio show
and of more kiddie-matinee Western movies than you can shake a 6-gun
at). One of these records (unfortunately, I didn't hear the title!)
was a typical heartbroken lament of the lonely cowboy bemoaning his
solitary life on the prairie. I paid no particular attention to this
song until Autrey crooned the following lyric [as best I remember]:
"My gal rode off with a waddie from San Antone." I still don't know
what a "waddie" is, but clearly it's a dirty rotten scoundrel of some
sort! I also don't know from what era the song dates (but Autrey's
record was probably produced sometime between the mid-1940's and
1950's, so the song is at least as old as that). The significant
thing is that "waddie" is apparently cowboy slang, so Scrooge was
using it in the proper context!
Wilmer Rivers
"You are the one I have chosa / To toss me a rosa!" - Donald Duck,
although Gene Autrey could probably have sold a million copies of that
or any other of Donald's plaintive ballads (Does anyone know how many
copies Autrey sold of the original recording of "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed
Reindeer"?!?!)
----------------
Why did I shift the camera over to crop out that extra "waddie"
in my copy of the old Barks' panel in "Lo$"#4? Again, I have trouble
recalling stuff from over 2 1/2 years ago. I guess I had no need of two
extra cowboys in my sequence, just one? I guess. By the way, don't try
to work the word "waddie" into conversations with Americans. I have
searched long and hard searching for any reference anywhere to something
called a "waddie" and have found none. I went so far as to write and ask
Barks himself once a few years back (pre-Weasel) and he said he couldn't
recall what it meant and that it must have just been a word from his
youth.
----------------
Well, I just found a reference to a "waddie"! There's a local public
radio station here that has several programs of old Country and Western
music, some with emphasis on the country and some on the western. On
Saturday one of these programs was playing some "classic" records by
the one and only Gene Autrey (the immortal, absolutely definitive
guitar-strumming "singing cowboy" star of a long-running radio show
and of more kiddie-matinee Western movies than you can shake a 6-gun
at). One of these records (unfortunately, I didn't hear the title!)
was a typical heartbroken lament of the lonely cowboy bemoaning his
solitary life on the prairie. I paid no particular attention to this
song until Autrey crooned the following lyric [as best I remember]:
"My gal rode off with a waddie from San Antone." I still don't know
what a "waddie" is, but clearly it's a dirty rotten scoundrel of some
sort! I also don't know from what era the song dates (but Autrey's
record was probably produced sometime between the mid-1940's and
1950's, so the song is at least as old as that). The significant
thing is that "waddie" is apparently cowboy slang, so Scrooge was
using it in the proper context!
Wilmer Rivers
"You are the one I have chosa / To toss me a rosa!" - Donald Duck,
although Gene Autrey could probably have sold a million copies of that
or any other of Donald's plaintive ballads (Does anyone know how many
copies Autrey sold of the original recording of "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed
Reindeer"?!?!)
Swen69
Disney-comics digest #490.
Message 119 -
1994-11-22 at 05:00:44
In the digest, I guess #488, I saw David A. Gerstein's comment "Disney comics
are not wildly collected in the States". I have to disagree with the comment.
I have been collecting Disney comics here in the States last ten years, and
it is getting more and more difficult. due to too many collectors and a
shortage in supply. And one has to know exactly where the contacts are. CBG
for example is very poor on Disneys since practically everything that is for
sale goes directly from sellers to collectors, or to retailers. There is no
reason to advertise. There are even a few specialists who concentrate on
Disneys only, John Nichols, Bear Mountain Enterprise (VA) being one of the
better known. John has had complete Gladstone sets if one is interested for
more or less cover prices. Most comics stores here in the greater
Philadelphia area carry lots of Gladstones, older and new.
It is true that collecting Disney comics may not be fashionable at the
moment. Disney has spoiled the market with popular but cheap other
collectibles. People do not care much of the comics, figurines and tapes are
more interesting. Huh (?)
But the market is there. Most conventions have quite a few tables with Disney
stuff. (e.g. Comicfest 1993 in Philadelphia)
Gladstones and particularly Disney comics (between the first and current
Gladstone series) were also saturated by too many titles.
At the moment I'm myself concentrating on oldest WDCSs, numbers 50 and below.
There is material available, but the problem is how to get hold on it. Most
titles go directly through personal contacts, and pricing is affected
accordingly.
If someone needs further information please contact me.
swen69 at aol.com (Matti J. Maenpaa)
are not wildly collected in the States". I have to disagree with the comment.
I have been collecting Disney comics here in the States last ten years, and
it is getting more and more difficult. due to too many collectors and a
shortage in supply. And one has to know exactly where the contacts are. CBG
for example is very poor on Disneys since practically everything that is for
sale goes directly from sellers to collectors, or to retailers. There is no
reason to advertise. There are even a few specialists who concentrate on
Disneys only, John Nichols, Bear Mountain Enterprise (VA) being one of the
better known. John has had complete Gladstone sets if one is interested for
more or less cover prices. Most comics stores here in the greater
Philadelphia area carry lots of Gladstones, older and new.
It is true that collecting Disney comics may not be fashionable at the
moment. Disney has spoiled the market with popular but cheap other
collectibles. People do not care much of the comics, figurines and tapes are
more interesting. Huh (?)
But the market is there. Most conventions have quite a few tables with Disney
stuff. (e.g. Comicfest 1993 in Philadelphia)
Gladstones and particularly Disney comics (between the first and current
Gladstone series) were also saturated by too many titles.
At the moment I'm myself concentrating on oldest WDCSs, numbers 50 and below.
There is material available, but the problem is how to get hold on it. Most
titles go directly through personal contacts, and pricing is affected
accordingly.
If someone needs further information please contact me.
swen69 at aol.com (Matti J. Maenpaa)
Dave Rawson
Disney-comics digest #499.
Message 120 -
1994-11-22 at 05:44:16
On 21 Nov 94 disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se wrote:
JORGEN you said:
d> This story proves, at least to me, that _both_ art and story are
d> important. [...] A bad story can't be made good with great art,
d> but a good story can be harmed a lot with lousy art - which is
d> the case with this story.
Well, I didn't think it my place to comment on this. Certainly
not before others saw it.
d> One thing puzzle me a bit. The story seems to have two
d> endings...
Hmmm. The idea was that Scrooge had lost his love of money, or so
he thought. He thinks he needs to get back to his roots to
re-kindle this love. (Not just go on vacation.) His confusion over
what he has lost is contained in the way he approaches its recovery.
Instead of getting 'back to basics', he sets up a state-of-the-art
-techno-cottage, not the same thing at all.
The 'first ending' you felt was when we see Scrooge do a little
Yankee trading, but it is not until Scrooge *realizes* that the
negotiating, the trading, the art of the deal is what he loves (not
just sheer money) that the story comes full circle and Scrooge is
rejuvenated. The fact that it was only a single dollar that brought
all this home to him tries to "show" this idea.
Maybe we didn't nail it down clearly enough!
Don't worry about seeming critical. I've been FidoNet moderator of
the world-wide InterUser Echo. I've got asbestos britches.
... ~*>DCR<*~ Bahia del Sur de los Angeles
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 16
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
JORGEN you said:
d> This story proves, at least to me, that _both_ art and story are
d> important. [...] A bad story can't be made good with great art,
d> but a good story can be harmed a lot with lousy art - which is
d> the case with this story.
Well, I didn't think it my place to comment on this. Certainly
not before others saw it.
d> One thing puzzle me a bit. The story seems to have two
d> endings...
Hmmm. The idea was that Scrooge had lost his love of money, or so
he thought. He thinks he needs to get back to his roots to
re-kindle this love. (Not just go on vacation.) His confusion over
what he has lost is contained in the way he approaches its recovery.
Instead of getting 'back to basics', he sets up a state-of-the-art
-techno-cottage, not the same thing at all.
The 'first ending' you felt was when we see Scrooge do a little
Yankee trading, but it is not until Scrooge *realizes* that the
negotiating, the trading, the art of the deal is what he loves (not
just sheer money) that the story comes full circle and Scrooge is
rejuvenated. The fact that it was only a single dollar that brought
all this home to him tries to "show" this idea.
Maybe we didn't nail it down clearly enough!
Don't worry about seeming critical. I've been FidoNet moderator of
the world-wide InterUser Echo. I've got asbestos britches.
... ~*>DCR<*~ Bahia del Sur de los Angeles
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 16
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]