David Gerstein writes:
[Donald's] car has had some parts replaced as they
wore out, with those from other cars. I believe that the car is said to
have a "1920 Mixwell engine" -- there must be a car brand called Maxwell
which this spoofs, but I don't know it.
This refers to the famous Maxwell roadster, which was the subject of
running gags throughout comedian Jack Benny's 50-year career on radio
and TV. (Benny portrayed himself as being the world's biggest tightwad
with his money - a human McDuck. if you will - and so he kept driving
the vintage Maxwell for decades after its useful lifetime had run out.
Every week, his show would have some joke about keeping the Maxwell
going, so that he wouldn't have to break down and buy a new car. This
had been an on-going joke for 20 years or more by the time Barks used
it, and Benny kept the joke alive for at least another 20 years after
that.)
Wilmer Rivers
Author
Topic: 199411
(156 messages)
Wilmer Rivers
Engine of Donald's car
Message 76 -
1994-11-13 at 19:53:16
Dave Rawson
Disney-comics digest #490.
Message 77 -
1994-11-14 at 07:56:54
Don R: I suppose you're right about the chances of Gladstone
reprinting my stuff. I never stopped to contemplate the pragmatic
aspects of it. I guess I just hoped if my work was any good, it
would get reprinted. <sigh>
David G: Nope. I didn't write "Temper Fugit," but thanks for
thinking I might have in the same post you declare how much you
liked it!
Others: I'd be interested in knowing a bit about the folks here.
Anyone have your thumbnail bio at hand to educate me a bit?
... Where am I going? And, WHY AM I IN THIS HANDBASKET?????
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 8
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
reprinting my stuff. I never stopped to contemplate the pragmatic
aspects of it. I guess I just hoped if my work was any good, it
would get reprinted. <sigh>
David G: Nope. I didn't write "Temper Fugit," but thanks for
thinking I might have in the same post you declare how much you
liked it!
Others: I'd be interested in knowing a bit about the folks here.
Anyone have your thumbnail bio at hand to educate me a bit?
... Where am I going? And, WHY AM I IN THIS HANDBASKET?????
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 8
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Michel Wlodarczyk
(David Gerstein) Various things
Message 78 -
1994-11-14 at 08:39:33
At 05:46 PM 94/11/13 +0000, 9475609 at arran.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk wrote:
>
> Dear Dwight,
>
> ???!?? What the heck? I got your message -- this, after you
>tried to send me one last week, and it didn't work... I'll be
>double-doggoned if I know what's rotten in the state of -- er, well, in
>the country of Scotland.
> In the British edition, the dentist's name became "Drillem N.
>PULLEM" -- don't ask me why. Your version's better.
>
> Good luck with all of the recent translations. I'm reminded of
>the old poem, "Betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter clean."
>Whatever dialogues I haven't done for Gladstone, you seem to have done,
>when it comes to what they're publishing next year.
>
> That's all for now, Dwight. Enjoy your trip to Europe.
>
> Your friend, David
>
>
Sincerely yours
Michel Wlodarczyk
Rektor
Folkuniversitetet, Box 363, 90108 Ume?, Sweden
Phone +4690175461
Fax +4690175464
>
> Dear Dwight,
>
> ???!?? What the heck? I got your message -- this, after you
>tried to send me one last week, and it didn't work... I'll be
>double-doggoned if I know what's rotten in the state of -- er, well, in
>the country of Scotland.
> In the British edition, the dentist's name became "Drillem N.
>PULLEM" -- don't ask me why. Your version's better.
>
> Good luck with all of the recent translations. I'm reminded of
>the old poem, "Betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter clean."
>Whatever dialogues I haven't done for Gladstone, you seem to have done,
>when it comes to what they're publishing next year.
>
> That's all for now, Dwight. Enjoy your trip to Europe.
>
> Your friend, David
>
>
Sincerely yours
Michel Wlodarczyk
Rektor
Folkuniversitetet, Box 363, 90108 Ume?, Sweden
Phone +4690175461
Fax +4690175464
James Williams
Two Questions
Message 79 -
1994-11-14 at 15:15:08
Two questions:
o First, the most recent issue of Uncle Scrooge contained a letter in
which someone stated that Vic Lockman has been doing Disney comics
for over five decades. Since I had not heard of Vic Lockman until
recently, I'd always assumed that he was another newcomer like Pat
Block. What Disney comics has Vic Lockman done in the past?
o Second, I'd never read "The Golden Fleece" until Gladstone reprinted
it. Mythology is one subject which I'm very week on. I'd really
appreciate it if someone could tell me more about the myths involving
Jason, the Larkies (shouldn't they be called Harpies?), and the golden
fleece.
James Williams
James
o First, the most recent issue of Uncle Scrooge contained a letter in
which someone stated that Vic Lockman has been doing Disney comics
for over five decades. Since I had not heard of Vic Lockman until
recently, I'd always assumed that he was another newcomer like Pat
Block. What Disney comics has Vic Lockman done in the past?
o Second, I'd never read "The Golden Fleece" until Gladstone reprinted
it. Mythology is one subject which I'm very week on. I'd really
appreciate it if someone could tell me more about the myths involving
Jason, the Larkies (shouldn't they be called Harpies?), and the golden
fleece.
James Williams
James
James Williams
Jack Benny (was - engine of Donald's car)
Message 80 -
1994-11-14 at 15:25:43
I'm only 31, so unfortunately I completely missed Jack Benny. My
only exposure to him was a few rerun episodes of his television
show I saw about 20 years ago. The only episode I recall dealt
with a Jack Benny being extremely stingy. All of his money was kept
in a vault under the house and the vault was protected by all sorts
of booby traps. The similarities between Jack Benny's character and
Uncle Scrooge are amazing.
Which came first Uncle Scrooge or Jack Benny's character? I'd guess
it was Jack Benny's character. If so, was Jack Benny's character an
inspiration for Uncle Scrooge? Or, were both character inspired
by some third source, I'm not aware of?
Were any other Disney characters based on other famous characters?
James Williams
only exposure to him was a few rerun episodes of his television
show I saw about 20 years ago. The only episode I recall dealt
with a Jack Benny being extremely stingy. All of his money was kept
in a vault under the house and the vault was protected by all sorts
of booby traps. The similarities between Jack Benny's character and
Uncle Scrooge are amazing.
Which came first Uncle Scrooge or Jack Benny's character? I'd guess
it was Jack Benny's character. If so, was Jack Benny's character an
inspiration for Uncle Scrooge? Or, were both character inspired
by some third source, I'm not aware of?
Were any other Disney characters based on other famous characters?
James Williams
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #491.
Message 81 -
1994-11-14 at 16:01:14
DONALD'S CAR:
Am I to understand that people are trying to identify not just
the make of Donald's cartoon car, but even the unmatched parts inside of
it? Am I too thick to catch onto the gag here, and thereby spoil the
fun? Surely we all know Donald's car (as created by either the Disney
animators or Talliaferro) is just a cartoon car, right? It's not meant
to be ANY kind of car... just a cute lil' jalopy of the artist's
imagination. Any actual car it coincidentally happens to vaguely
resemble is simply because they are both cars.
I mean, it's fun to try to figure out what old car parts one
might try to use in order to customize a Donald Duck Car (like Geir
did), but the original DD car is just something that looked cute and
quaint was easy to animate.
Killjoy! Killjoy!
Am I to understand that people are trying to identify not just
the make of Donald's cartoon car, but even the unmatched parts inside of
it? Am I too thick to catch onto the gag here, and thereby spoil the
fun? Surely we all know Donald's car (as created by either the Disney
animators or Talliaferro) is just a cartoon car, right? It's not meant
to be ANY kind of car... just a cute lil' jalopy of the artist's
imagination. Any actual car it coincidentally happens to vaguely
resemble is simply because they are both cars.
I mean, it's fun to try to figure out what old car parts one
might try to use in order to customize a Donald Duck Car (like Geir
did), but the original DD car is just something that looked cute and
quaint was easy to animate.
Killjoy! Killjoy!
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Jack Benny's Maxwell, and other things
Message 82 -
1994-11-14 at 17:03:27
Dear Folks,
Wilmer Rivers pointed out that the "Mixwell" comment in OS 147
is in relation to Jack Benny's old roadster. DARN! Why didn't I
think of that? ;-) You're not the only fellow to liken Jack Benny's
radio persona to Uncle Scrooge either -- I've thought of that
similarity before. Jack Benny reruns are on a radio station near my
United States home on Saturdays, and my Dad and I enjoy listening to
them. Gangster: "Your money or your life!" Jack Benny: "I'm
thinking! I'm thinking!"
My reply to Dwight Decker wasn't meant to go to the entire
list, so my apologies if it seemed completely irrelevant for a lot of
you! (Especially YOU, Don...)
The more I think about Ellsworth, the less I think I'll
probably be using him. He's just too much like the way I like to
characterize Mickey, and his bizarre status in the Mouseton
community makes things very confusing. I'm not ruling out using him,
though -- just saying that as of now, I can't think of any ideas for
him where I don't end up thinking, "That's a Mickey idea." Well,
okay. Mickey can't fly (although he briefly DOES, in "The Great
Orphanage Robbery" -- on sandwich boards! ;-)
Best to all of you,
David Gerstein
Wilmer Rivers pointed out that the "Mixwell" comment in OS 147
is in relation to Jack Benny's old roadster. DARN! Why didn't I
think of that? ;-) You're not the only fellow to liken Jack Benny's
radio persona to Uncle Scrooge either -- I've thought of that
similarity before. Jack Benny reruns are on a radio station near my
United States home on Saturdays, and my Dad and I enjoy listening to
them. Gangster: "Your money or your life!" Jack Benny: "I'm
thinking! I'm thinking!"
My reply to Dwight Decker wasn't meant to go to the entire
list, so my apologies if it seemed completely irrelevant for a lot of
you! (Especially YOU, Don...)
The more I think about Ellsworth, the less I think I'll
probably be using him. He's just too much like the way I like to
characterize Mickey, and his bizarre status in the Mouseton
community makes things very confusing. I'm not ruling out using him,
though -- just saying that as of now, I can't think of any ideas for
him where I don't end up thinking, "That's a Mickey idea." Well,
okay. Mickey can't fly (although he briefly DOES, in "The Great
Orphanage Robbery" -- on sandwich boards! ;-)
Best to all of you,
David Gerstein
H.W. Fluks
Disney-comics digest #491.
Message 83 -
1994-11-14 at 19:10:01
Ellsworth
---------
About that talking bird Ellsworth: in Holland, he is a "beo", which
I think is some kind of parrot from Asia. So not a crow or raven.
Dentist gag
-----------
Dwight, about "The Dentist Visit" (D93070):
> The dentist thought the strip was pretty funny, too.
This idea has been used at least twice before in Egmont stories. So it may
be funny, but it's not new. Whoever wrote it just stole an old idea.
> I gave the dentist for the sign on his door, "Dr. Drillem N. Fillem,"
In a Dutch gag, a dentist was once called "Dr.I.L.Boor". Those who understand
Dutch, can see the joke. Others probably can guess it.
European visits
---------------
Dwight again:
> I'm off to Europe this Friday (the 18th).
I understand you'll visit Eindhoven in Holland only, but if you plan to go
somewhere near The Hague, let me know.
> (Just a Mickey Mouse translator)
Why do you use the word "just" here? You're too modest.
Donald's car
------------
Wilmer gave an explanation of the word Maxwell in a Barks story.
I think this can be considered the first contribution to Geir Hasnes'
Barks Annotations List! Have you read it, Geir?
--Harry.
---------
About that talking bird Ellsworth: in Holland, he is a "beo", which
I think is some kind of parrot from Asia. So not a crow or raven.
Dentist gag
-----------
Dwight, about "The Dentist Visit" (D93070):
> The dentist thought the strip was pretty funny, too.
This idea has been used at least twice before in Egmont stories. So it may
be funny, but it's not new. Whoever wrote it just stole an old idea.
> I gave the dentist for the sign on his door, "Dr. Drillem N. Fillem,"
In a Dutch gag, a dentist was once called "Dr.I.L.Boor". Those who understand
Dutch, can see the joke. Others probably can guess it.
European visits
---------------
Dwight again:
> I'm off to Europe this Friday (the 18th).
I understand you'll visit Eindhoven in Holland only, but if you plan to go
somewhere near The Hague, let me know.
> (Just a Mickey Mouse translator)
Why do you use the word "just" here? You're too modest.
Donald's car
------------
Wilmer gave an explanation of the word Maxwell in a Barks story.
I think this can be considered the first contribution to Geir Hasnes'
Barks Annotations List! Have you read it, Geir?
--Harry.
August DeBlieck
DuckTales
Message 84 -
1994-11-14 at 20:35:36
Date: 14-Nov-1994 01:20pm EST
From: DeBlieck, August
ADEBLIEC
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No:
TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%DISNEY-COMICS at MINSK.DOCS.UU.SE )
Subject: DuckTales
There has been some discussion lately about Duck Daze and its possible
affects on Disney continuity. But one of the more interesting things I've
heard from it has been the mentions of DuckTales. Forgive me since I am
new to this group, but was the general opinion of it as low as I'm
inferring from some of the comments?
DuckTales is what brought me into the Carl Barks universe and all the rest
of the Disney-related titles, for which I am insufferably pleased. I
admit many DuckTales stories 'based on Carl Barks' stories actually
deviated quite a bit from the stories, but they didn't actually go so far
as to demean the duck characters, did they? As a cartoon buff, DuckTales
was a great - and groundbreaking - show. It proved that you could do a
stripped show (65 episodes, shown 5 days a week) without sacrificing
quality, for one. It led to the rest of the Disney Afternoon, which
continues to this day. It didn't redefine the characters the way everyone
(including me) fears DuckDaze will. Did it? The Beagle Boys could not
have been done in animation without the different numbers and qualities.
Jorgen: You mentioned back on November 9th that the Disney Afternoon shows
are not very popular in Scandinavia. I have a couple of question about
that, if I may. One: Do you get them in the original English, or are
they dubbed in a Scandinavian language? How are/were they shown? 5 days
a week? Weekly? Afternoons or mornings?
Bev : And don't forget American football legend Rosey Grier! (And I
though finding someone named Augie was tough...)
Just to bring this back to Disney _comics_: I just finished reading the
new Uncle Scrooge Adventures with the original Carl Barks U$ tale about
the Golden Fleece for the first time. (I know this is heresy, but I've
forgotten the proper title.) It's a great story. Are the Harpies
patterned after someone in real life? They all look alike and like they
are caricatures of someone. Maybe it is just that I am not used to Barks
drawing a human. I don't know. Don: Did you hide "D.U.C.K." on your
cover? I couldn't find it. And have they ever lettered over it?
-Augie De Blieck Jr.
...U$-wannabe...
From: DeBlieck, August
ADEBLIEC
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No:
TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%DISNEY-COMICS at MINSK.DOCS.UU.SE )
Subject: DuckTales
There has been some discussion lately about Duck Daze and its possible
affects on Disney continuity. But one of the more interesting things I've
heard from it has been the mentions of DuckTales. Forgive me since I am
new to this group, but was the general opinion of it as low as I'm
inferring from some of the comments?
DuckTales is what brought me into the Carl Barks universe and all the rest
of the Disney-related titles, for which I am insufferably pleased. I
admit many DuckTales stories 'based on Carl Barks' stories actually
deviated quite a bit from the stories, but they didn't actually go so far
as to demean the duck characters, did they? As a cartoon buff, DuckTales
was a great - and groundbreaking - show. It proved that you could do a
stripped show (65 episodes, shown 5 days a week) without sacrificing
quality, for one. It led to the rest of the Disney Afternoon, which
continues to this day. It didn't redefine the characters the way everyone
(including me) fears DuckDaze will. Did it? The Beagle Boys could not
have been done in animation without the different numbers and qualities.
Jorgen: You mentioned back on November 9th that the Disney Afternoon shows
are not very popular in Scandinavia. I have a couple of question about
that, if I may. One: Do you get them in the original English, or are
they dubbed in a Scandinavian language? How are/were they shown? 5 days
a week? Weekly? Afternoons or mornings?
Bev : And don't forget American football legend Rosey Grier! (And I
though finding someone named Augie was tough...)
Just to bring this back to Disney _comics_: I just finished reading the
new Uncle Scrooge Adventures with the original Carl Barks U$ tale about
the Golden Fleece for the first time. (I know this is heresy, but I've
forgotten the proper title.) It's a great story. Are the Harpies
patterned after someone in real life? They all look alike and like they
are caricatures of someone. Maybe it is just that I am not used to Barks
drawing a human. I don't know. Don: Did you hide "D.U.C.K." on your
cover? I couldn't find it. And have they ever lettered over it?
-Augie De Blieck Jr.
...U$-wannabe...
Per Starback
Harpies/Larkies
Message 85 -
1994-11-15 at 00:30:26
James wanted more information on
> the Larkies (shouldn't they be called Harpies?), and the golden fleece.
Yes they should, and Barks did that too, but the editors had him
change that to "larkies".
Quoting Barks himself in a letter to John Spicer, April 11, 1960
(reprinted in The Duckburg Times ~#12):
The "Larkies" in the story of the Golden Fleece had to be so named
because the editor objected to Harpy, a "Harpie" being a slang version
of street walker."
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"My, how delicious! (smack! .. Drool!) I *love* parsnips!"
> the Larkies (shouldn't they be called Harpies?), and the golden fleece.
Yes they should, and Barks did that too, but the editors had him
change that to "larkies".
Quoting Barks himself in a letter to John Spicer, April 11, 1960
(reprinted in The Duckburg Times ~#12):
The "Larkies" in the story of the Golden Fleece had to be so named
because the editor objected to Harpy, a "Harpie" being a slang version
of street walker."
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"My, how delicious! (smack! .. Drool!) I *love* parsnips!"
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Various
Message 86 -
1994-11-15 at 00:43:34
Mickey Mystery
--------------
Dave: Well, I will see your stories, I guess. None of your Mickey
Mystery stories have been published so far?
Funny that this should come up, by the way. I was just going to ask
who wrote those stories. This series started in Norway earlier this
year, and so far, I've got all of them. I like a lot of them, actually
I think I like all of them. But why are they drawn in Italy? It's not
that I don't like it, but it's a bit strange that Egmont stories are
drawn in Italy, I think. Yes, I've seen other "Italian" stories with
D-codes too...
And what's a thumbnail bio? A short biography?
Temper Fugit
------------
David, didn't you say you saw this on a comics con? What did you see?
The script, sketches, the finished artwork or...?
Donald's car
------------
It was me who started this, but don't worry Don, I'm not trying to find
out exactly what kind of car it is. The reason why I wanted to hear
what opinions anyone might have on the matter, is that I'm planning to
build a model of the car. Since I don't want to build the entire car
from scratch, I want to find at least one kit with parts that somehow
match the car. So far I haven't found anything better than a Model A.
This will be _my_ version of the car :-)
I'm working on the translation of that article, BTW, but don't worry,
it doesn't say any bad things about you, Don.
The car in the one-page gag (Strobl?) on the inside frontcover of
DDA #something (Sheriff of Bullet Valley) does not look like Barks'
version, but it _has_ a mark on the radiator that looks like Ford's.
BTW, in a Danish story published about 15 years ago, Donald wants to
sell his car. The man who's going to buy it makes a list of all the
different kind of cars it's got parts from.
Thanx to those who have answered me, by mail, or on the list.
Duck Tales
----------
Well, at least it introduced _one_ person to Disney comics :-)
(no, no, I'm _not_ refering to myself).
The "Scandinavian version" of Duck Tales are dubbed in Swedish,
which might explain a lot of their unpopularity in Norway :-)
(it's no problem for a Norwegian to understand Swedish).
They are sent on two channels, which can be recieved in Norway.
One of them is Swedish TV2, which have a program called Disney-dags
(time for Disney), which is sent twice a week (the same program).
Early in the evening on Thursday (I, think) and in the morning on
Sunday. It last for about one hour, and includes two episodes (Duck
Tales, Tale Spin, Rescue Rangers or Darkwing Duck (not two episodes
of the same series)).
Earlier, this program contained one of the series mentioned above,
and the rest of the program contained old cartoons. They also some-
time had interviews. I don't watch it anymore. I tried a couple of
weeks ago, but that Darkwing Duck is just too stupid and boring.
I must admit, though, that I have liked a few Tale Spin and Rescue
Rangers episodes that I've seen. Chip look quite handsome in that
suit, doesn't he :) Dale, on the other hand, in that stupid shirt...
TV2 is runned by the Swedish state. No commersials.
The other channel is TV3, which is a Norwegian/Swedish/Danish channel.
They send Duck Tales etc. in their program for children early in the
morning on Saturday and Sunday. This channel is financed by commersials.
TV3 sends one Disney movie early in the evening each Saturday, BTW
(not the animated ones...).
BTW: I've heard of something called The Disney Channel. What is that?
How many channels, in the US, show Disney films?
Jorgen
--------------
Dave: Well, I will see your stories, I guess. None of your Mickey
Mystery stories have been published so far?
Funny that this should come up, by the way. I was just going to ask
who wrote those stories. This series started in Norway earlier this
year, and so far, I've got all of them. I like a lot of them, actually
I think I like all of them. But why are they drawn in Italy? It's not
that I don't like it, but it's a bit strange that Egmont stories are
drawn in Italy, I think. Yes, I've seen other "Italian" stories with
D-codes too...
And what's a thumbnail bio? A short biography?
Temper Fugit
------------
David, didn't you say you saw this on a comics con? What did you see?
The script, sketches, the finished artwork or...?
Donald's car
------------
It was me who started this, but don't worry Don, I'm not trying to find
out exactly what kind of car it is. The reason why I wanted to hear
what opinions anyone might have on the matter, is that I'm planning to
build a model of the car. Since I don't want to build the entire car
from scratch, I want to find at least one kit with parts that somehow
match the car. So far I haven't found anything better than a Model A.
This will be _my_ version of the car :-)
I'm working on the translation of that article, BTW, but don't worry,
it doesn't say any bad things about you, Don.
The car in the one-page gag (Strobl?) on the inside frontcover of
DDA #something (Sheriff of Bullet Valley) does not look like Barks'
version, but it _has_ a mark on the radiator that looks like Ford's.
BTW, in a Danish story published about 15 years ago, Donald wants to
sell his car. The man who's going to buy it makes a list of all the
different kind of cars it's got parts from.
Thanx to those who have answered me, by mail, or on the list.
Duck Tales
----------
Well, at least it introduced _one_ person to Disney comics :-)
(no, no, I'm _not_ refering to myself).
The "Scandinavian version" of Duck Tales are dubbed in Swedish,
which might explain a lot of their unpopularity in Norway :-)
(it's no problem for a Norwegian to understand Swedish).
They are sent on two channels, which can be recieved in Norway.
One of them is Swedish TV2, which have a program called Disney-dags
(time for Disney), which is sent twice a week (the same program).
Early in the evening on Thursday (I, think) and in the morning on
Sunday. It last for about one hour, and includes two episodes (Duck
Tales, Tale Spin, Rescue Rangers or Darkwing Duck (not two episodes
of the same series)).
Earlier, this program contained one of the series mentioned above,
and the rest of the program contained old cartoons. They also some-
time had interviews. I don't watch it anymore. I tried a couple of
weeks ago, but that Darkwing Duck is just too stupid and boring.
I must admit, though, that I have liked a few Tale Spin and Rescue
Rangers episodes that I've seen. Chip look quite handsome in that
suit, doesn't he :) Dale, on the other hand, in that stupid shirt...
TV2 is runned by the Swedish state. No commersials.
The other channel is TV3, which is a Norwegian/Swedish/Danish channel.
They send Duck Tales etc. in their program for children early in the
morning on Saturday and Sunday. This channel is financed by commersials.
TV3 sends one Disney movie early in the evening each Saturday, BTW
(not the animated ones...).
BTW: I've heard of something called The Disney Channel. What is that?
How many channels, in the US, show Disney films?
Jorgen
Dwight Decker
Harpies/Larkies
Message 87 -
1994-11-15 at 00:57:54
> Quoting Barks himself in a letter to John Spicer, April 11, 1960
> (reprinted in The Duckburg Times ~#12):
>
> The "Larkies" in the story of the Golden Fleece had to be so named
> because the editor objected to Harpy, a "Harpie" being a slang version
> of street walker."
>
That incident has always struck me as editorial caution taken to its
most absurd degree. "Harpy" is a legitimate mythological name. There's
even a bird called a harpy eagle. As far as I know, the term "harpie"
as a slang word for a prostitute, which I've never heard or read anywhere
else, must have been pretty obscure and nearly extinct by the time Barks
used it. Since the word had a well-known Classical reference and Barks
used it correctly, it was stupid not to use it. It might be argued that
changing the word actually detracted from the story's educational
merit, since kids reading it would be that less well-instructed about
Greek myths (and the children's books that retell Greek myths do use
"harpy").
Well, times change. By the mid-'60s, Stan Lee got away with calling
the Norse god Thor's girlfriend "Sif." I'd be curious to know if he ran
into any flak from the Comics Code about it, since the term "syph" was
definitely well-known as a slang shortening of syphilis to every boy
above the age of about 12 at the time. I recall some comics-reading
pals of mine chortling over it: "Heh-heh! Her name is 'Sif'! Heh-heh!"
It was certainly a lot more questionable than harpy. And of course Stan
Lee had the ultimate defense: Sif was the character's genuine name in
the Norse myths. But as I said, times change, and Marvel's Thor comic
was aimed at a somewhat older audience than Dell's Disney comics.
I had a passing thought to wonder if Barks might approve some
subsequent reprinting of the Golden Fleece story that would replace
"larkies" with Harpies, since that was his original intent...but the
story has been like that for decades, and I've come to think of larkies
as a uniquely Barks creation rather than simply borrowed mythology.
--Dwight Decker
> (reprinted in The Duckburg Times ~#12):
>
> The "Larkies" in the story of the Golden Fleece had to be so named
> because the editor objected to Harpy, a "Harpie" being a slang version
> of street walker."
>
That incident has always struck me as editorial caution taken to its
most absurd degree. "Harpy" is a legitimate mythological name. There's
even a bird called a harpy eagle. As far as I know, the term "harpie"
as a slang word for a prostitute, which I've never heard or read anywhere
else, must have been pretty obscure and nearly extinct by the time Barks
used it. Since the word had a well-known Classical reference and Barks
used it correctly, it was stupid not to use it. It might be argued that
changing the word actually detracted from the story's educational
merit, since kids reading it would be that less well-instructed about
Greek myths (and the children's books that retell Greek myths do use
"harpy").
Well, times change. By the mid-'60s, Stan Lee got away with calling
the Norse god Thor's girlfriend "Sif." I'd be curious to know if he ran
into any flak from the Comics Code about it, since the term "syph" was
definitely well-known as a slang shortening of syphilis to every boy
above the age of about 12 at the time. I recall some comics-reading
pals of mine chortling over it: "Heh-heh! Her name is 'Sif'! Heh-heh!"
It was certainly a lot more questionable than harpy. And of course Stan
Lee had the ultimate defense: Sif was the character's genuine name in
the Norse myths. But as I said, times change, and Marvel's Thor comic
was aimed at a somewhat older audience than Dell's Disney comics.
I had a passing thought to wonder if Barks might approve some
subsequent reprinting of the Golden Fleece story that would replace
"larkies" with Harpies, since that was his original intent...but the
story has been like that for decades, and I've come to think of larkies
as a uniquely Barks creation rather than simply borrowed mythology.
--Dwight Decker
Dwight Decker
Various
Message 88 -
1994-11-15 at 01:19:22
>
>
>
> Mickey Mystery
> --------------
> Dave: Well, I will see your stories, I guess. None of your Mickey
> Mystery stories have been published so far?
> Funny that this should come up, by the way. I was just going to ask
> who wrote those stories. This series started in Norway earlier this
> year, and so far, I've got all of them. I like a lot of them, actually
> I think I like all of them. But why are they drawn in Italy? It's not
> that I don't like it, but it's a bit strange that Egmont stories are
> drawn in Italy, I think. Yes, I've seen other "Italian" stories with
> D-codes too...
I guess there's some exchange of talent between Egmont and Italian
territory, as artists are available. I've translated some Italian Duck
scripts into English for Egmont.
>
> And what's a thumbnail bio? A short biography?
>
You guessed it! Usually you hear the word "thumbnail" in that sense in
the term "thumbnail sketch." The dictionary defines the use of "thumbnail"
as meaning "small and essentially complete, like a thumbnail," though I've
never really thought of a thumbnail as being essentially complete. I suppose
it is, but so are lots of other things. Size might be the operative
definition.
> Temper Fugit
> ------------
> David, didn't you say you saw this on a comics con? What did you see?
> The script, sketches, the finished artwork or...?
>
Did anybody mention that Bob Ingersoll wrote this? He's a member of
CAPA-Alpha (Comics Amateur Press Association - Number One, which might
be described as a print-it-and-mail-it version of whatever disney-comics
@minsk is, only it's general comics chat), and often distirbutes copies
of his Egmont scripts.
> BTW: I've heard of something called The Disney Channel. What is that?
> How many channels, in the US, show Disney films?
>
The Disney Channel is a Disney-owned cable-TV channel that shows Disney
productions (movies, cartoons, TV shows) as well as outside properties
that fit the format. I've seen Lucky Luke, Asterix, and Tom Poes movies
on the Disney Channel as well as various non-Disney American productions.
It's a "premium" channel, meaning it costs something extra in addition
to the basic cable package to get it, but just about every American family
with kids in the house that can get cable-TV probably subscribes to it. As
for other channels...keep in mind that American TV is privately owned and
broadcast TV is dominated by three major networks (with a fourth on the
rise and plans for a fifth and even a sixth if Warners and Paramount get
moving). Plus, there are independent TV stations that aren't affiliated
with the networks. I'm pretty sure I've seen Disney live-action movies
now and then on various TV channels, but I haven't paid enough attention
to regular TV in recent years to make a definite statement. The TV market
in America is changing even as we speak.
--Dwight Decker
>
>
> Mickey Mystery
> --------------
> Dave: Well, I will see your stories, I guess. None of your Mickey
> Mystery stories have been published so far?
> Funny that this should come up, by the way. I was just going to ask
> who wrote those stories. This series started in Norway earlier this
> year, and so far, I've got all of them. I like a lot of them, actually
> I think I like all of them. But why are they drawn in Italy? It's not
> that I don't like it, but it's a bit strange that Egmont stories are
> drawn in Italy, I think. Yes, I've seen other "Italian" stories with
> D-codes too...
I guess there's some exchange of talent between Egmont and Italian
territory, as artists are available. I've translated some Italian Duck
scripts into English for Egmont.
>
> And what's a thumbnail bio? A short biography?
>
You guessed it! Usually you hear the word "thumbnail" in that sense in
the term "thumbnail sketch." The dictionary defines the use of "thumbnail"
as meaning "small and essentially complete, like a thumbnail," though I've
never really thought of a thumbnail as being essentially complete. I suppose
it is, but so are lots of other things. Size might be the operative
definition.
> Temper Fugit
> ------------
> David, didn't you say you saw this on a comics con? What did you see?
> The script, sketches, the finished artwork or...?
>
Did anybody mention that Bob Ingersoll wrote this? He's a member of
CAPA-Alpha (Comics Amateur Press Association - Number One, which might
be described as a print-it-and-mail-it version of whatever disney-comics
@minsk is, only it's general comics chat), and often distirbutes copies
of his Egmont scripts.
> BTW: I've heard of something called The Disney Channel. What is that?
> How many channels, in the US, show Disney films?
>
The Disney Channel is a Disney-owned cable-TV channel that shows Disney
productions (movies, cartoons, TV shows) as well as outside properties
that fit the format. I've seen Lucky Luke, Asterix, and Tom Poes movies
on the Disney Channel as well as various non-Disney American productions.
It's a "premium" channel, meaning it costs something extra in addition
to the basic cable package to get it, but just about every American family
with kids in the house that can get cable-TV probably subscribes to it. As
for other channels...keep in mind that American TV is privately owned and
broadcast TV is dominated by three major networks (with a fourth on the
rise and plans for a fifth and even a sixth if Warners and Paramount get
moving). Plus, there are independent TV stations that aren't affiliated
with the networks. I'm pretty sure I've seen Disney live-action movies
now and then on various TV channels, but I haven't paid enough attention
to regular TV in recent years to make a definite statement. The TV market
in America is changing even as we speak.
--Dwight Decker
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Donald Duck & Co #46
Message 89 -
1994-11-15 at 01:59:11
Donald Duck & Co #46
--------------------
Front cover: Donald at the dentist. HDL dressed as one dentist, with a
_huge_ drill (wonder why Donald needs to go to a dentist...)
Starts, as usual, with a Donald strip by Taliaferro,.
The lead story is a Dutch Donald Duck story (H8231, 10 pages)
(a true friend of animals).
HDL come home with a cat. This leads to some difficult situations
for Donald. Neighboor Jones is also featured. I'm not so sure I like it.
The theme is old, and has been done a lot better. The art isn't _too_
bad, but I've certainly seen better. The Dutch stories published in
Norway are usually a lot better than this one.
Didn't find this one in Harry's index. Could it be H82031?
Next is a Mickey Mouse story (D93226, 6 pages).
Mickey and Minnie are visiting an artist, who's making a portrait of
Minnie for her birthday. His atelier looks like a mess, and they think he's
been kidnapped. Minnie wants to solve the mystery alone, because Mickey's
too known. She's getting a surprise.
The story is good, and the art is good.
The third story is a Grandma Duck story (D9180 (yes, four digits), 5 pages).
It features Grandma, Gus Goose and Gus & Jaq. Grandma is going to
deliver a cake at a contest, but the car gets stuck in some mud. The mice
use a piece of wood as a raft, and transport the cake in a small river, to
the contest. They are attacked by a cat looking very much like a certain cat
from a certain movie. The cat falls into the river... (if you should ever see
anything like that, don't laugh. The cat will _never_ forgive you).
The story is a bit thin, but the art is good.
Then a Madam Mim story (D93218, 6 pages).
She's having an accident, and needs to repair her (that flying thing,
which most people use to clean floors). That will cost her a lot of money.
She wants to go to the future, to see which horses will win the rases, then
go back an put some money on them. Instead she goes backwards, and meets an
unfriendly wisard.
Not so bad. The art is good.
Then the final part of the continuation story which began last week
(D93326).
The story has some similarities to "Horsing around with history", but...
this one is better. The only problem with this story, which also was a
problem with Barks' story, and a lot of other continuation stories, is that
it's too short. There's a lot of potential in the story, but it ends up
in small glimpses of the situations.
One example: The discovery of a tomb which is believed to room a lot of
treasures. You know that Barks story where U$ and co. dig a pyramid out of
the desert. Well, the discovery of the pyramid is a central part of the
story. The exitement of the reader grows bigger and bigger, when the
pyramid grows bigger and bigger. In this story (D93326) the discovery of
the tomb takes place in _two_ panels!
Last is a one page gag with Donald (KF 9.9.45)
Overall, the issue is not outstanding, but not bad either.
Jorgen
"Duck. Your ears are visible!"
--------------------
Front cover: Donald at the dentist. HDL dressed as one dentist, with a
_huge_ drill (wonder why Donald needs to go to a dentist...)
Starts, as usual, with a Donald strip by Taliaferro,.
The lead story is a Dutch Donald Duck story (H8231, 10 pages)
(a true friend of animals).
HDL come home with a cat. This leads to some difficult situations
for Donald. Neighboor Jones is also featured. I'm not so sure I like it.
The theme is old, and has been done a lot better. The art isn't _too_
bad, but I've certainly seen better. The Dutch stories published in
Norway are usually a lot better than this one.
Didn't find this one in Harry's index. Could it be H82031?
Next is a Mickey Mouse story (D93226, 6 pages).
Mickey and Minnie are visiting an artist, who's making a portrait of
Minnie for her birthday. His atelier looks like a mess, and they think he's
been kidnapped. Minnie wants to solve the mystery alone, because Mickey's
too known. She's getting a surprise.
The story is good, and the art is good.
The third story is a Grandma Duck story (D9180 (yes, four digits), 5 pages).
It features Grandma, Gus Goose and Gus & Jaq. Grandma is going to
deliver a cake at a contest, but the car gets stuck in some mud. The mice
use a piece of wood as a raft, and transport the cake in a small river, to
the contest. They are attacked by a cat looking very much like a certain cat
from a certain movie. The cat falls into the river... (if you should ever see
anything like that, don't laugh. The cat will _never_ forgive you).
The story is a bit thin, but the art is good.
Then a Madam Mim story (D93218, 6 pages).
She's having an accident, and needs to repair her (that flying thing,
which most people use to clean floors). That will cost her a lot of money.
She wants to go to the future, to see which horses will win the rases, then
go back an put some money on them. Instead she goes backwards, and meets an
unfriendly wisard.
Not so bad. The art is good.
Then the final part of the continuation story which began last week
(D93326).
The story has some similarities to "Horsing around with history", but...
this one is better. The only problem with this story, which also was a
problem with Barks' story, and a lot of other continuation stories, is that
it's too short. There's a lot of potential in the story, but it ends up
in small glimpses of the situations.
One example: The discovery of a tomb which is believed to room a lot of
treasures. You know that Barks story where U$ and co. dig a pyramid out of
the desert. Well, the discovery of the pyramid is a central part of the
story. The exitement of the reader grows bigger and bigger, when the
pyramid grows bigger and bigger. In this story (D93326) the discovery of
the tomb takes place in _two_ panels!
Last is a one page gag with Donald (KF 9.9.45)
Overall, the issue is not outstanding, but not bad either.
Jorgen
"Duck. Your ears are visible!"
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #492.
Message 90 -
1994-11-15 at 06:24:54
AUGUST:
"Ducktales"? I always liked "Ducktales" when I saw it a few
times. It was excellent animation and non-violent plots, at least by
modern TV standards. The fact that it screwed with the actual versions
of the characters never bothered me since I always saw it as a
completely different Uncle $crooge than in the comic books. This was
simply some different character than the one I grew up with and now
worked on, but since Disney (through some legal quirk) owned
Barks'/Dell's character, they had the right to use his name and general
likeness on this new character. It came and it went. Everything's back
to normal now.
Whatever atrocities "Duck Daze" does to Donald and HDL, it will
be the same thing. They will be altogether different folks than the
comics characters, so I couldn't care less. The TV show will come and
go, the comic books will live on and on, so no harm will be done.
Yes, "D.U.C.K." is in that "Golden Fleecing" cover, but I recall
that it didn't fit in just like I'd planned it... came out kinda
sloppy. But it should be there.
But when you can't find "D.U.C.K." on one of my covers, don't go
nuts since it might not be there. If it's not a Barks reprint or one of
my sequels, it's not there. And on older covers, I may not have begun
hiding the dedication on the cover as well as the story splash-panel.
"Ducktales"? I always liked "Ducktales" when I saw it a few
times. It was excellent animation and non-violent plots, at least by
modern TV standards. The fact that it screwed with the actual versions
of the characters never bothered me since I always saw it as a
completely different Uncle $crooge than in the comic books. This was
simply some different character than the one I grew up with and now
worked on, but since Disney (through some legal quirk) owned
Barks'/Dell's character, they had the right to use his name and general
likeness on this new character. It came and it went. Everything's back
to normal now.
Whatever atrocities "Duck Daze" does to Donald and HDL, it will
be the same thing. They will be altogether different folks than the
comics characters, so I couldn't care less. The TV show will come and
go, the comic books will live on and on, so no harm will be done.
Yes, "D.U.C.K." is in that "Golden Fleecing" cover, but I recall
that it didn't fit in just like I'd planned it... came out kinda
sloppy. But it should be there.
But when you can't find "D.U.C.K." on one of my covers, don't go
nuts since it might not be there. If it's not a Barks reprint or one of
my sequels, it's not there. And on older covers, I may not have begun
hiding the dedication on the cover as well as the story splash-panel.