On 25 Nov 94 disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se wrote:
d> From: Fredrik Ekman <ekman at lysator.liu.se>
d> If you mean who professional duck writers see as canon, it
d> seems as though at least Egmont's writers only go by the Barks
d> ducks. Perhaps David or some of our other pros can give us more
d> info on this?
I'm not sure which David (Rawson or Gerstein) you're referring to,
but I'll jump in anyway.
My passing reference about thinking of Bark's while writing is
true, but I love the work of Daan Jippes. Don Rosa, as I've said
before, is a great storyteller. His art and ideas are always
well-integrated. Vicar always improves whatever I write. Van Horn's
stuff is wonderfully manic. I like Branca's work, particularly his
'human' characters.
Taliafero is some ways is more quintessential to me than even Barks
because his duck had more visual 'attitude' to it. I don't think he
gets his due primarily because of the nature of strip gags, the
timing and pacing is much different than in 10 page stories.
If you think about it, the shorter the page count, the more
gag-filled Barks' stories were. Think of the Gyro stuff. That's
another reason I respect Don's craft. He'll chock fill a longer
story with wonderful throwaway gags happening behind the main
storyline. He doesn't have to, but he must enjoy it and be having a
good time. I like that!
Though I see Barks when I'm writing, I never know who will be
assigned to what I've written. So Barks is kinda the Rosetta stone
that I assume both the artist and I will be 'in sync' with.
I look forward to learning to recognize more and more of the
wonderful pantheon of artists, former and present. It's a rich
heritage I'm tapped into. What great fun to learn all this stuff
and meet new friends at the same time.
Ciao!
... What's the difference between a duck?
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 20
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Author
Topic: 199411
(156 messages)
Dave Rawson
Disney-comics digest #503.
Message 136 -
1994-11-26 at 07:07:36
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics
Message 137 -
1994-11-26 at 22:35:11
ALL:
Couldn't Fethry do a come-back as a New Age character? During '70s
he was a hippie, but after that he disappeared. So, why not make him
a dude, who changes his principals as often as his clothes (once in
a decade ;) I would've loved to see a punk duck ten years ago...
KARL-ERIK and DON:
Thanks for the info about the rifle story. I actually had already
send messages to some BBSs that I had psychic powers, because I had
foreseen the story years before :) Neither of you remember, how did
the story end?
JORGEN:
> MIKE (I guess you don't pronounce that as Americans would do it ;-) :
Actually, I do. My real name is Mikko (Mick-oh), but I know about a
hundred other guys named that, so I thought to be cool and start calling
myself Mike ;)
BTW, couldn't you make some parts to that 313 of yours by hand? Buy some
tin and melt it and make something up ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Couldn't Fethry do a come-back as a New Age character? During '70s
he was a hippie, but after that he disappeared. So, why not make him
a dude, who changes his principals as often as his clothes (once in
a decade ;) I would've loved to see a punk duck ten years ago...
KARL-ERIK and DON:
Thanks for the info about the rifle story. I actually had already
send messages to some BBSs that I had psychic powers, because I had
foreseen the story years before :) Neither of you remember, how did
the story end?
JORGEN:
> MIKE (I guess you don't pronounce that as Americans would do it ;-) :
Actually, I do. My real name is Mikko (Mick-oh), but I know about a
hundred other guys named that, so I thought to be cool and start calling
myself Mike ;)
BTW, couldn't you make some parts to that 313 of yours by hand? Buy some
tin and melt it and make something up ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Mike Pohjola
Disney-comics digest #503.
Message 138 -
1994-11-26 at 22:45:42
FREDRIK:
You're saying there's no any public opinion or anything in here,
which story is canon and which is not, eh?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
You're saying there's no any public opinion or anything in here,
which story is canon and which is not, eh?
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Tallmo
End of rifle story
Message 139 -
1994-11-27 at 14:54:28
> Thanks for the info about the rifle story. I actually had already
>send messages to some BBSs that I had psychic powers, because I had
>foreseen the story years before :) Neither of you remember, how did
>the story end?
MIKE: After some fights with Peg Leg Pete (or rather Black Pete, I guess)
the iceberg calves (as I think the term goes) and the part of it were
Scrooge's sled is embedded is freed. So Scrooge has it towed away back to
civilisation.
Karl-Erik
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and magazines. Writes about music, literature and computers. Also DTP,
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PUBLISHING.
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>send messages to some BBSs that I had psychic powers, because I had
>foreseen the story years before :) Neither of you remember, how did
>the story end?
MIKE: After some fights with Peg Leg Pete (or rather Black Pete, I guess)
the iceberg calves (as I think the term goes) and the part of it were
Scrooge's sled is embedded is freed. So Scrooge has it towed away back to
civilisation.
Karl-Erik
---------------------------------------------------------------------
KARL-ERIK TALLMO, Swedish writer, journalist, critic and HyperCard
programmer, living in Stockholm. Contributor of articles to Nordic dailies
and magazines. Writes about music, literature and computers. Also DTP,
Swedish grammar checking, translation, etc. through the private firm NISUS
PUBLISHING.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Per Starback
Foreign names
Message 140 -
1994-11-27 at 19:40:56
There is now a new version of the International Disney Comic Character
Names list from Fredrik available at the ftp server. From now on I
will finally do what I've been thinking about doing for a long time,
that is to send bilingual extracts from that list to new subscribers
from non-English-speaking countries, as many of us mostly have read
Disney comics in another language than English and need to know the
English names of the characters to be able to participate in the
discussions on those characters. I will soon send that appendix to
the welcome message to everyone already on the list. That is,
everyone from Germany, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Norway or Sweden,
anyway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Names list from Fredrik available at the ftp server. From now on I
will finally do what I've been thinking about doing for a long time,
that is to send bilingual extracts from that list to new subscribers
from non-English-speaking countries, as many of us mostly have read
Disney comics in another language than English and need to know the
English names of the characters to be able to participate in the
discussions on those characters. I will soon send that appendix to
the welcome message to everyone already on the list. That is,
everyone from Germany, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Norway or Sweden,
anyway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #503.
Message 141 -
1994-11-28 at 06:58:37
FREDRIK:
You said that most writers, particularly the Egmont writers,
consider only Barks' writings as canon. I disagree completely. As near
as I could ever tell, NO writers of Disney Duck comics ever gave me the
slightest impression that they (or their editors) had ever read any
Barks stories. They were definitely fashioning their stories around the
characters that Barks created, but they never seemed to be aware of the
past stories or experiences of the characters. This would make writing
their stories very difficult and tedious -- it is incredibly binding to
a writer to force himself to adhere tenaciously to any canon, with all
the limitations and referencing that that sort of writing entails.
THIS is precisely the anal-retentive attitude that I brought
into the scheme with my attempts to change all that, at least as far as
I was concerned. That's why, when I did my first story ("The Son of the
Sun"), I opened it with a tour of a "Barks Museum" to tell the readers
that MY stories would be based solidly on Barks' work as the only holy
canon, treating it as irrefutable fact. And, of course, Gladstone was
the first editorial group who, as Barks fans rather than just editors
filling jobs, would allow this or value it. And I still see myself as
the only writer who approaches the stories with this attitude.
I don't hesitate to "boast" of this since the simple attitude of
treating only Barks as canon does NOT make the stories better or worse
(it might make them worse, if anything, due to the limitations it
imposes). But using Barks as the only canon requires a great deal of
extra knowledge and effort that no one else is willing to burden
themselves with.
You said that most writers, particularly the Egmont writers,
consider only Barks' writings as canon. I disagree completely. As near
as I could ever tell, NO writers of Disney Duck comics ever gave me the
slightest impression that they (or their editors) had ever read any
Barks stories. They were definitely fashioning their stories around the
characters that Barks created, but they never seemed to be aware of the
past stories or experiences of the characters. This would make writing
their stories very difficult and tedious -- it is incredibly binding to
a writer to force himself to adhere tenaciously to any canon, with all
the limitations and referencing that that sort of writing entails.
THIS is precisely the anal-retentive attitude that I brought
into the scheme with my attempts to change all that, at least as far as
I was concerned. That's why, when I did my first story ("The Son of the
Sun"), I opened it with a tour of a "Barks Museum" to tell the readers
that MY stories would be based solidly on Barks' work as the only holy
canon, treating it as irrefutable fact. And, of course, Gladstone was
the first editorial group who, as Barks fans rather than just editors
filling jobs, would allow this or value it. And I still see myself as
the only writer who approaches the stories with this attitude.
I don't hesitate to "boast" of this since the simple attitude of
treating only Barks as canon does NOT make the stories better or worse
(it might make them worse, if anything, due to the limitations it
imposes). But using Barks as the only canon requires a great deal of
extra knowledge and effort that no one else is willing to burden
themselves with.
John-Trygve Staff
Flipism
Message 142 -
1994-11-28 at 14:02:58
Per Starback wrote:
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
This is a quote from an old (substitute with exact age and think of
me as increadibly clever managing to remember) story where Donald
flips a coin every time he has to make a choice, right?
I think so, and I also think I read it in a reprint here in Norway a
few years ago. Anyway, does anyone know the storycode for this one, or
even better - when it was last published in Norway. (Do you know, Jorgen?)
I hope someone can help, 'cause I would really love to read that story
again and I can't find it anywhere.
--
___________________________________________________________________
| Ornulf Staff | "Reliable information lets you say 'I don't |
| johnsta at ifi.uio.no | know' with real confidence" |
| | -Solomon Short |
*(My name is Ornulf, the header is wrong)****************************
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
This is a quote from an old (substitute with exact age and think of
me as increadibly clever managing to remember) story where Donald
flips a coin every time he has to make a choice, right?
I think so, and I also think I read it in a reprint here in Norway a
few years ago. Anyway, does anyone know the storycode for this one, or
even better - when it was last published in Norway. (Do you know, Jorgen?)
I hope someone can help, 'cause I would really love to read that story
again and I can't find it anywhere.
--
___________________________________________________________________
| Ornulf Staff | "Reliable information lets you say 'I don't |
| johnsta at ifi.uio.no | know' with real confidence" |
| | -Solomon Short |
*(My name is Ornulf, the header is wrong)****************************
Per Starback
Flipism
Message 143 -
1994-11-28 at 14:19:40
Yep, it's WDC 149, one of my favourite ten-pagers.
According to the WDC reprint index available at the ftp archive
(search for "FLIP") it has been reprinted in WDC 365 and 561.
BTW, Luke Rhinehart (which is a pseudonym, I don't remember his real
name right now) later wrote a book _The Dice Man_ with a similar
theme.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
According to the WDC reprint index available at the ftp archive
(search for "FLIP") it has been reprinted in WDC 365 and 561.
BTW, Luke Rhinehart (which is a pseudonym, I don't remember his real
name right now) later wrote a book _The Dice Man_ with a similar
theme.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
LOTS of news
Message 144 -
1994-11-28 at 18:34:18
Dear Folks,
So what's my canon? Why, it's the large metal object I've kept
since the Boer War, to aim occasionally at invading Beagles, rival
tycoons, and deadbeat nephews.
Actually, my canon for the Ducks consists mainly of Barks and
Rosa. I will just as easily pop off a reference to a Rosa story as
to a Barks one; for example, my recent 15-page Egmont adventure "In
Macavity's Shadow" takes place right after "Guardians of the Lost
Library" and makes a reference to it -- unfortunately, the effect
will be diluted by how it's probably going to be at least summer 1996
when it sees American use.
I regard Scarpa's Ducks as canon to the point where I would be
willing to use Brigitta MacBridge in a story, but I don't have any
ideas for her yet.
I enjoy AT stuff, but I think anyone who just uses the DD
scenario Barks and everyone else picked up from him, is paying him
some homage. The guy CREATED Huey, Dewey, and Louie, fer gosh sakes!
He gets some applause from me. Oh, and he also created Bolivar, a
personal favorite of mine.
Ron Fernandez and Pat Block's recent story "Too Late for Christmas"
is quite clearly an attempt to create some new canon material. I'm
willing to accept this one. (See below.)
In regard to Mickey, I regard pre-Bill Walsh FG stories as 100%
canon. Then, I'm glad to include Eega Beeva in my MM universe, but
the general style of those later (Bill Walsh) strips seems to just be
a style I'm not very good at carrying on. Oh -- Scarpa's canon for
me, too, as well as the earlier (pre-1957, let's say) Murry stories.
I don't mind an early Murry story AT ALL -- those tales, often
written by Don Christiansen (sp? And am I right about this?) have a
version of Mickey that's just fine by me.
Impossible as it may seem, I also regard the 1930 _Mickey Mouse
Book_ as canon, after a fashion, although you'll never know how until
I get to write a certain important MM story that Egmont has not so
far agreed to let me produce (it's considered too important a subject
to tinker with, right now).
DDA 30 came out in this neck of the woods last Friday. The
cover has NO Disney name on it, and on a HUGE (in fact, rather gaudy)
billboard covering a lot of the cover, we see:
64 PAGES - New from RON FERNANDEZ and PAT BLOCK - "TOO LATE
FOR CHRISTMAS" - Plus the CARL BARKS classic - "CHRISTMAS FOR
SHACKTOWN"
I know that there have been creator credits on the covers of US
275 and DD 283, but this one beats the band. Why don't you get
Gladstone to throw your name on the covers of the LO$, Don?
>SPOILERS! READ AT YOUR PERIL!<
The new story inside involves Witch Hazel flying to Duckburg
from her castle on the witches' moon to share Halloween with her
chums, HDL. To help in her tricks, she concentrates all her powers
into one magic book by dipping the tome in a cauldron of glop.
Unfortunately, she's missed Halloween altogether, and finds
Duckburg all agog with a gigantic Christmas decoration contest.
Hazel would just pack up and leave, but she has lost her
spellbook and is thus stuck. So the two plots build to a head --
Donald and Gladstone (here, a neighbor) warring in the contest, while
HDL and Hazel try to raise reward money to ensure the spellbook's
return. Unfortunately, Gladstone has found the book, doesn't know
its secret, and on the day of the contest dozens of spells
accidentally run riot.
I really enjoyed this story. One very minor problem with it is
that I think there could stand to be a page building up Duckburg's
obsession with this contest (which could go between pgs. 3 and 4).
As it is, Donald's own excitement over the contest seems unwarranted
at first.
That said, we have some brilliant sequences here, as Hazel
tries to adjust to having lost her magic (earning the reward money,
for example, thus entails a department-store job!) and ultimately
does, after she performs a noble deed that doesn't require spells.
The dialogue is unbelievably better than the earlier "Widow's
Gap" story. Bits of it just made my hair stand on end. Gladstone:
"You can't fight [my luck]! NO ONE can fight it! It's as wondrous
as a snowflake, as elusive as a moonbeam!" This is good stuff.
Goofy's appearance in the story might sound like it undermines
Barks' realism. Okay, for some maybe it does. But Goofy is *not*
played as a fool. His dialogue isn't very hick-like at all. In
short, Goofy has been made more real here, and I like this.
Yes, Goofy was redrawn (pencils by Disney Studio, inks by John
Clark). It's not mentioned in the story's credits. Luckily the new
art of Goofy is just as good as the original art -- unfortunately,
it's just not the FG 1937 Goofy anymore, but a c. 1942 version a la
the animation department. It does look good, I just feel the change
was completely unnecessary. (Actually, in one panel -- Pg. 22, Pic
4 -- Goofy is NOT redrawn. The difference is obvious.)
>END OF SPOILERS<
Anyway, on the whole a very enjoyable second story for this
team. They're getting the hang of things FAST -- and wait, folks,
for their third story, "The Secret of the Dragon's Den" -- I saw a
bit of this at the convention, and it's worth waiting for. I imagine
it's coming in DDA 32 or 33 -- which one I'm not sure.
From a recent preview catalog:
DD 290 contains CB's "Good Canoes and Bad Canoes" and the usual
helping of AT strips, including an adaptation of the cartoon
"Donald's Penguin" (1939) -- and the poster art for said film is
planted on the cover.
DM 29 has part two of "Goofy King Arthur" as well as some Barks
10-pager (can't remember). Yawn. On the cover is DON ROSA'S COVER
FOR WDCiC 8 -- well, that must be it, since it was advertised as a
never-before-published Rosa cover. Personally, I wonder what this
cover is doing on this comic? US is in Don's cover, and not in this
comic's DD 10-pager. A pie-eyed FG MM is on Don's cover, and this
issue contains a Jaime Diaz 1970s MM. If I were you, Don, I'd tell
them to wait on using this cover for a more appropriate issue. WDC&S
600, for example (next summer). Or at least a DM issue that includes
a US appearance and at least one 1930s MM Sunday page!
USA 32 contains the last part of Scarpa's "Lentils from
Babylon" and nothing else is mentioned.
Just got a book by animation historian Jerry Beck, today: _The
50 Greatest Cartoons_. Animation pundits by the dozens contributed
lists of nominations for this book. There are a good handful of MM
cartoons in the group. Only one DD cartoon, "Der Fuehrer's Face" --
and Disney refused to grant Beck permission to show any images from
the film unless Donald himself was digitally REMOVED from them --
hence an image of the film's poster is ALL we get, with Donald
blanked out so that a tomato is hitting Hitler from nowhere. $stlg%"stlg$!
Even in Germany, DD-history books include scenes from this film!
If Disney made its short films more available, you can bet
people would be more familiar with them, and there would have been
more DD cartoons on this list. With the exception of "Steamboat
Willie" all the MMs are from the late 1930s period that video has
wallowed in for years, which only proves the point, I think. I'd be
pleased to make a case for such DD cartoons as "Fire Chief,"
"Donald's Cousin Gus," "The Fox Hunt," and "Polar Trappers." Not to
mention some earlier MM cartoons.
For you animation fans, this book is well worth buying,
since Beck went out of his way to print not shopworn scenes from
these famous films that have seen numerous printings, but art that
usually hasn't seen previous exposure.
>Gasp!< That's all for today, folks. Further (SHORTER)
messages will follow in the next few days.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
So what's my canon? Why, it's the large metal object I've kept
since the Boer War, to aim occasionally at invading Beagles, rival
tycoons, and deadbeat nephews.
Actually, my canon for the Ducks consists mainly of Barks and
Rosa. I will just as easily pop off a reference to a Rosa story as
to a Barks one; for example, my recent 15-page Egmont adventure "In
Macavity's Shadow" takes place right after "Guardians of the Lost
Library" and makes a reference to it -- unfortunately, the effect
will be diluted by how it's probably going to be at least summer 1996
when it sees American use.
I regard Scarpa's Ducks as canon to the point where I would be
willing to use Brigitta MacBridge in a story, but I don't have any
ideas for her yet.
I enjoy AT stuff, but I think anyone who just uses the DD
scenario Barks and everyone else picked up from him, is paying him
some homage. The guy CREATED Huey, Dewey, and Louie, fer gosh sakes!
He gets some applause from me. Oh, and he also created Bolivar, a
personal favorite of mine.
Ron Fernandez and Pat Block's recent story "Too Late for Christmas"
is quite clearly an attempt to create some new canon material. I'm
willing to accept this one. (See below.)
In regard to Mickey, I regard pre-Bill Walsh FG stories as 100%
canon. Then, I'm glad to include Eega Beeva in my MM universe, but
the general style of those later (Bill Walsh) strips seems to just be
a style I'm not very good at carrying on. Oh -- Scarpa's canon for
me, too, as well as the earlier (pre-1957, let's say) Murry stories.
I don't mind an early Murry story AT ALL -- those tales, often
written by Don Christiansen (sp? And am I right about this?) have a
version of Mickey that's just fine by me.
Impossible as it may seem, I also regard the 1930 _Mickey Mouse
Book_ as canon, after a fashion, although you'll never know how until
I get to write a certain important MM story that Egmont has not so
far agreed to let me produce (it's considered too important a subject
to tinker with, right now).
DDA 30 came out in this neck of the woods last Friday. The
cover has NO Disney name on it, and on a HUGE (in fact, rather gaudy)
billboard covering a lot of the cover, we see:
64 PAGES - New from RON FERNANDEZ and PAT BLOCK - "TOO LATE
FOR CHRISTMAS" - Plus the CARL BARKS classic - "CHRISTMAS FOR
SHACKTOWN"
I know that there have been creator credits on the covers of US
275 and DD 283, but this one beats the band. Why don't you get
Gladstone to throw your name on the covers of the LO$, Don?
>SPOILERS! READ AT YOUR PERIL!<
The new story inside involves Witch Hazel flying to Duckburg
from her castle on the witches' moon to share Halloween with her
chums, HDL. To help in her tricks, she concentrates all her powers
into one magic book by dipping the tome in a cauldron of glop.
Unfortunately, she's missed Halloween altogether, and finds
Duckburg all agog with a gigantic Christmas decoration contest.
Hazel would just pack up and leave, but she has lost her
spellbook and is thus stuck. So the two plots build to a head --
Donald and Gladstone (here, a neighbor) warring in the contest, while
HDL and Hazel try to raise reward money to ensure the spellbook's
return. Unfortunately, Gladstone has found the book, doesn't know
its secret, and on the day of the contest dozens of spells
accidentally run riot.
I really enjoyed this story. One very minor problem with it is
that I think there could stand to be a page building up Duckburg's
obsession with this contest (which could go between pgs. 3 and 4).
As it is, Donald's own excitement over the contest seems unwarranted
at first.
That said, we have some brilliant sequences here, as Hazel
tries to adjust to having lost her magic (earning the reward money,
for example, thus entails a department-store job!) and ultimately
does, after she performs a noble deed that doesn't require spells.
The dialogue is unbelievably better than the earlier "Widow's
Gap" story. Bits of it just made my hair stand on end. Gladstone:
"You can't fight [my luck]! NO ONE can fight it! It's as wondrous
as a snowflake, as elusive as a moonbeam!" This is good stuff.
Goofy's appearance in the story might sound like it undermines
Barks' realism. Okay, for some maybe it does. But Goofy is *not*
played as a fool. His dialogue isn't very hick-like at all. In
short, Goofy has been made more real here, and I like this.
Yes, Goofy was redrawn (pencils by Disney Studio, inks by John
Clark). It's not mentioned in the story's credits. Luckily the new
art of Goofy is just as good as the original art -- unfortunately,
it's just not the FG 1937 Goofy anymore, but a c. 1942 version a la
the animation department. It does look good, I just feel the change
was completely unnecessary. (Actually, in one panel -- Pg. 22, Pic
4 -- Goofy is NOT redrawn. The difference is obvious.)
>END OF SPOILERS<
Anyway, on the whole a very enjoyable second story for this
team. They're getting the hang of things FAST -- and wait, folks,
for their third story, "The Secret of the Dragon's Den" -- I saw a
bit of this at the convention, and it's worth waiting for. I imagine
it's coming in DDA 32 or 33 -- which one I'm not sure.
From a recent preview catalog:
DD 290 contains CB's "Good Canoes and Bad Canoes" and the usual
helping of AT strips, including an adaptation of the cartoon
"Donald's Penguin" (1939) -- and the poster art for said film is
planted on the cover.
DM 29 has part two of "Goofy King Arthur" as well as some Barks
10-pager (can't remember). Yawn. On the cover is DON ROSA'S COVER
FOR WDCiC 8 -- well, that must be it, since it was advertised as a
never-before-published Rosa cover. Personally, I wonder what this
cover is doing on this comic? US is in Don's cover, and not in this
comic's DD 10-pager. A pie-eyed FG MM is on Don's cover, and this
issue contains a Jaime Diaz 1970s MM. If I were you, Don, I'd tell
them to wait on using this cover for a more appropriate issue. WDC&S
600, for example (next summer). Or at least a DM issue that includes
a US appearance and at least one 1930s MM Sunday page!
USA 32 contains the last part of Scarpa's "Lentils from
Babylon" and nothing else is mentioned.
Just got a book by animation historian Jerry Beck, today: _The
50 Greatest Cartoons_. Animation pundits by the dozens contributed
lists of nominations for this book. There are a good handful of MM
cartoons in the group. Only one DD cartoon, "Der Fuehrer's Face" --
and Disney refused to grant Beck permission to show any images from
the film unless Donald himself was digitally REMOVED from them --
hence an image of the film's poster is ALL we get, with Donald
blanked out so that a tomato is hitting Hitler from nowhere. $stlg%"stlg$!
Even in Germany, DD-history books include scenes from this film!
If Disney made its short films more available, you can bet
people would be more familiar with them, and there would have been
more DD cartoons on this list. With the exception of "Steamboat
Willie" all the MMs are from the late 1930s period that video has
wallowed in for years, which only proves the point, I think. I'd be
pleased to make a case for such DD cartoons as "Fire Chief,"
"Donald's Cousin Gus," "The Fox Hunt," and "Polar Trappers." Not to
mention some earlier MM cartoons.
For you animation fans, this book is well worth buying,
since Beck went out of his way to print not shopworn scenes from
these famous films that have seen numerous printings, but art that
usually hasn't seen previous exposure.
>Gasp!< That's all for today, folks. Further (SHORTER)
messages will follow in the next few days.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Fredrik Ekman
Disney-comics digest #503.
Message 145 -
1994-11-28 at 21:27:09
Mike:
What I am saying (or trying to say) is that canon is a highly personal
subject and that there simply are no rights or wrongs. We all have our
favourites. Of course, there are some that are almost universally
regarded as canon, such as Barks and Gottfredson. Don will probably be
one of those within a few years, too.
Don:
I based what I wrote on an interview that I read a few years ago in one
of those free magazines that you get on the ferries to Denmark. In the
article, two Egmont editors (or something like that) clearly stated, more
than once, that they have Barks's ducks as a role-model. This, I would
say, is also the case for the artists. It may well be, however, that many
of the writers know nothing (or very little) about Barks. And of course,
there may be a tremendous difference between what one aims for and what
one actually achieves. These editors seemed aware that their stories were
not up to Barks's standards, but they blamed this mainly on the fact that
they have to produce so much more each year than Barks did.
/F
What I am saying (or trying to say) is that canon is a highly personal
subject and that there simply are no rights or wrongs. We all have our
favourites. Of course, there are some that are almost universally
regarded as canon, such as Barks and Gottfredson. Don will probably be
one of those within a few years, too.
Don:
I based what I wrote on an interview that I read a few years ago in one
of those free magazines that you get on the ferries to Denmark. In the
article, two Egmont editors (or something like that) clearly stated, more
than once, that they have Barks's ducks as a role-model. This, I would
say, is also the case for the artists. It may well be, however, that many
of the writers know nothing (or very little) about Barks. And of course,
there may be a tremendous difference between what one aims for and what
one actually achieves. These editors seemed aware that their stories were
not up to Barks's standards, but they blamed this mainly on the fact that
they have to produce so much more each year than Barks did.
/F
Tryg Helseth
Flipism
Message 146 -
1994-11-28 at 23:59:20
On Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:02:58 +0100,
John-Trygve Staff (aka Ornulf) wrote:
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>few years ago. Anyway, does anyone know the storycode for this one, or
>even better - when it was last published in Norway. (Do you know, Jorgen?)
Per already gave you the references I know about, but this story ahs always
been a fovorite of mine, and I wish I had grabbed that signature first
before Per starting using it.... :)
*(My name is Ornulf, the header is wrong)****************************
Anyhow, I couldn't resist answering your question of Flipism since the name
in your header is the same as my first and middle names *flipped* around.
If that's not you, who is it?
Trygve John Helseth
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
John-Trygve Staff (aka Ornulf) wrote:
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>few years ago. Anyway, does anyone know the storycode for this one, or
>even better - when it was last published in Norway. (Do you know, Jorgen?)
Per already gave you the references I know about, but this story ahs always
been a fovorite of mine, and I wish I had grabbed that signature first
before Per starting using it.... :)
*(My name is Ornulf, the header is wrong)****************************
Anyhow, I couldn't resist answering your question of Flipism since the name
in your header is the same as my first and middle names *flipped* around.
If that's not you, who is it?
Trygve John Helseth
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Various
Message 147 -
1994-11-29 at 00:35:57
Walden Duck Pond
----------------
DAVE: OK, I understand how you meant the story to be. Some of your
points may have been lost in the translation, but my, eh, "main
objection" to the story, is the art. I really don't like it. It might
have distracted me when I read it...
>Well, I didn't think it my place to comment on this. Certainly
>not before others saw it.
Well... that could have been interesting... As far as I know, I'm the
only one who read these magazines. No, of course not, but I have never
heard anyone saying anything nice about them. I have often heard a lot
of critizism about them, most of it (the critizism) is just stupid, but
anyway, one get the impression that they are not very popular. Neverthe-
less -- they have been sold here in Norway for more than twenty years.
About the critizism. Some people, I don't remember who, mean that the
Italians are becoming too dominating about the ducks. They say that
these ducks are too Italian, that the Italians treat them like they were
Italian, and that the stories often have to be partly redrawn to fit
into the Scandinavian market. The ducks should be more American, like
Barks meant them to be.
They have apparently not understood that these ducks _are_ Italian
(except for the D and S stories). These stories are made for the Italian
market, and if the Norwegian part of Egmont, Hjemmet, see that these
stories sell in Norway, why not sell them? I guess the redrawing they
mentioned was what was done with the German books.
313
---
MIKKO:
>BTW, couldn't you make some parts to that 313 of yours by hand? Buy some
>tin and melt it and make something up ;)
I certainly have to make a lot of it by hand. Tin is a good material for
small parts, but it's too soft for wings and body parts. I think I will
use steel, copper or aluminum for the body, and plastic for the wings.
I can probably use tin for smaller parts, like rear lamps and bumpers.
Flipism
-------
ORNULF(?): I think the last time the flipism story was reprinted in Norway
was in one of the early "Beste Historier om Donald Duck & Co". They have
been reprinted a few times, but it's a quite long time since the last time
any of them were reprinted. Hjemmet started a new series of albums a few
years ago, "Walt Disneys beste historier" ("We have made it simpler for
you. Now you'll find all the best stories in just one series of albums"),
but just a few have been published, and it's quite a long time since the
last one was published.
In other words, it will be difficult to find a copy. But if you would
be satisfied with a b/h photocopy, I could make one in the Christmas, when
I'm visiting my collection :)
Jorgen
----------------
DAVE: OK, I understand how you meant the story to be. Some of your
points may have been lost in the translation, but my, eh, "main
objection" to the story, is the art. I really don't like it. It might
have distracted me when I read it...
>Well, I didn't think it my place to comment on this. Certainly
>not before others saw it.
Well... that could have been interesting... As far as I know, I'm the
only one who read these magazines. No, of course not, but I have never
heard anyone saying anything nice about them. I have often heard a lot
of critizism about them, most of it (the critizism) is just stupid, but
anyway, one get the impression that they are not very popular. Neverthe-
less -- they have been sold here in Norway for more than twenty years.
About the critizism. Some people, I don't remember who, mean that the
Italians are becoming too dominating about the ducks. They say that
these ducks are too Italian, that the Italians treat them like they were
Italian, and that the stories often have to be partly redrawn to fit
into the Scandinavian market. The ducks should be more American, like
Barks meant them to be.
They have apparently not understood that these ducks _are_ Italian
(except for the D and S stories). These stories are made for the Italian
market, and if the Norwegian part of Egmont, Hjemmet, see that these
stories sell in Norway, why not sell them? I guess the redrawing they
mentioned was what was done with the German books.
313
---
MIKKO:
>BTW, couldn't you make some parts to that 313 of yours by hand? Buy some
>tin and melt it and make something up ;)
I certainly have to make a lot of it by hand. Tin is a good material for
small parts, but it's too soft for wings and body parts. I think I will
use steel, copper or aluminum for the body, and plastic for the wings.
I can probably use tin for smaller parts, like rear lamps and bumpers.
Flipism
-------
ORNULF(?): I think the last time the flipism story was reprinted in Norway
was in one of the early "Beste Historier om Donald Duck & Co". They have
been reprinted a few times, but it's a quite long time since the last time
any of them were reprinted. Hjemmet started a new series of albums a few
years ago, "Walt Disneys beste historier" ("We have made it simpler for
you. Now you'll find all the best stories in just one series of albums"),
but just a few have been published, and it's quite a long time since the
last one was published.
In other words, it will be difficult to find a copy. But if you would
be satisfied with a b/h photocopy, I could make one in the Christmas, when
I'm visiting my collection :)
Jorgen
Tryg Helseth
Storysearch
Message 148 -
1994-11-29 at 05:09:48
On Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:30:52 -0500,
MMGawain at aol.com <MMGawain at aol.com> wrote:
>Can anyone help me find two old Barks stories I remember from 60s reprints I
>In one, Unca Scrooge is involved in a steamboat race. I remember him stoking
>the boiler with pitch.
"The Great Steamboat Race" originally appeared in U$ 11 and was reprinted
in U$ 72 and 155.
>In the other, Donald has to spend a certain amount of Scrooge's money in a
>certain amount of time. That's all I can remember.
That story appeared originally in WDC 144 and was reprinted in WDC 343 and
US 216.
You should check Harry's database here for possibly more recent reprints.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
MMGawain at aol.com <MMGawain at aol.com> wrote:
>Can anyone help me find two old Barks stories I remember from 60s reprints I
>In one, Unca Scrooge is involved in a steamboat race. I remember him stoking
>the boiler with pitch.
"The Great Steamboat Race" originally appeared in U$ 11 and was reprinted
in U$ 72 and 155.
>In the other, Donald has to spend a certain amount of Scrooge's money in a
>certain amount of time. That's all I can remember.
That story appeared originally in WDC 144 and was reprinted in WDC 343 and
US 216.
You should check Harry's database here for possibly more recent reprints.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
MMGawain
Storysearch
Message 149 -
1994-11-29 at 05:30:52
Can anyone help me find two old Barks stories I remember from 60s reprints I
no longer have? (My stars! What was I thinking when I gave them away?) Have
they been reprinted in recent issues I might have missed?
In one, Unca Scrooge is involved in a steamboat race. I remember him stoking
the boiler with pitch.
In the other, Donald has to spend a certain amount of Scrooge's money in a
certain amount of time. That's all I can remember.
I'd appreaciate hearing from those of you who remember these stories.
By the way, this is my first message in this mailing list.
Thanks! Reply to: MMGawain at aol.com
no longer have? (My stars! What was I thinking when I gave them away?) Have
they been reprinted in recent issues I might have missed?
In one, Unca Scrooge is involved in a steamboat race. I remember him stoking
the boiler with pitch.
In the other, Donald has to spend a certain amount of Scrooge's money in a
certain amount of time. That's all I can remember.
I'd appreaciate hearing from those of you who remember these stories.
By the way, this is my first message in this mailing list.
Thanks! Reply to: MMGawain at aol.com
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #506.
Message 150 -
1994-11-29 at 06:16:04
JORGEN:
I need your address to mail you something, when I make sure it's
what you want. Could you send it to me by private E-Mail or however?
I need your address to mail you something, when I make sure it's
what you want. Could you send it to me by private E-Mail or however?