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Topic: 199411
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Frank DiCapua
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Message 16 -
1994-11-02 at 15:43:03
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Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #476.
Message 17 -
1994-11-02 at 16:51:11
FREDRIK and DWIGHT:
About what Fredrik said the other day regading the original
Swedish dubbing of Snowwhite, a rumour actually has it that the first batch of
"Snoevit" vidoes released to Swedish stores a coupla weeks ago by mistake (!)
had been made with the *new* dubbing credits, but the *old* Swedish soundtrack!
Whether this is *true* in the first place, I dunno; nor do I know how one would
go about determining what batch a particular *copy* belongs to!
It's probably apocryphal, anyway, but I thought both of you might care to hear
the rumour anyway!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
About what Fredrik said the other day regading the original
Swedish dubbing of Snowwhite, a rumour actually has it that the first batch of
"Snoevit" vidoes released to Swedish stores a coupla weeks ago by mistake (!)
had been made with the *new* dubbing credits, but the *old* Swedish soundtrack!
Whether this is *true* in the first place, I dunno; nor do I know how one would
go about determining what batch a particular *copy* belongs to!
It's probably apocryphal, anyway, but I thought both of you might care to hear
the rumour anyway!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
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************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Dwight Decker
Mikke Mus #11
Message 18 -
1994-11-02 at 17:45:21
>
>
>
> The Duck in a can story.
>
> Dwight: It was one I rescripted for Egmont last year.
>
> I still have things to learn about making Duck stories.
> What does rescripting mean in this context? They got a turkey
> from Klein, and sent it to you to make it good? No, probably
> not...
>
Think of it as translating. The house language at Egmont is
English but some of their writers are Danish or who knows
what else. Since the stories and scripts go to publishers
around the world, they have to be in good English (it's
easier for, say, the Brazilian publisher to find somebody
to translate a story from English to Portuguese than Danish
to Portuguese). That's where I come in. I've translated scripts
that were in Italian, Swedish, Danish, and even bad English.
If I can do a little plot-doctoring or joke improvement along
the way, so much the better, but it's not really emergency
surgery on turkeys. If Egmont got a turkey from somebody,
it would have been rejected in the first place.
--Dwight Decker
>
>
> The Duck in a can story.
>
> Dwight: It was one I rescripted for Egmont last year.
>
> I still have things to learn about making Duck stories.
> What does rescripting mean in this context? They got a turkey
> from Klein, and sent it to you to make it good? No, probably
> not...
>
Think of it as translating. The house language at Egmont is
English but some of their writers are Danish or who knows
what else. Since the stories and scripts go to publishers
around the world, they have to be in good English (it's
easier for, say, the Brazilian publisher to find somebody
to translate a story from English to Portuguese than Danish
to Portuguese). That's where I come in. I've translated scripts
that were in Italian, Swedish, Danish, and even bad English.
If I can do a little plot-doctoring or joke improvement along
the way, so much the better, but it's not really emergency
surgery on turkeys. If Egmont got a turkey from somebody,
it would have been rejected in the first place.
--Dwight Decker
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Those mice
Message 19 -
1994-11-02 at 21:25:50
Now I'm replying to myself...
After I wrote my last letter, another story with a Disney movie
universe character came to mind. It's a Chip & Dale story where
they are having trouble with Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear. To solve
that problem they have to grow big. Bigger than the fox and the
bear. Not too easy for a couple of chipmunks. Then the fairy
(what do you call the nice (and not so nice) women, doing magic
in "Cinderella" and "The sleeping beauty"?) from Cinderella appears
and make them big. Bigger than any other animal (there are no
elephants in this forest (oops forgot about Dumbo, but he's not big)).
If they say the magic words they grow big. If they repeat them,
they shrink to normal size.
Once they grow, they bang their heads into a tree, and forget the
words. Therefore they find a cinema theater showing Cinderella and
listen to the part where the words are said.
Later the fairy comes back to congratulate them with the idea of
watching the movie.
The only explanation to this story, if it's supposed to be real,
is, of course, that the fairy is a fairy, and can do anything...
Or... was she in the movie, and couldn't be able to get out
to the forest until the movie was over, or did she just watch the
chipmunks watching a movie in which she'd played a role in once?
I don't suppose that anyone will answer these questions. The story
is just an example of a strange Disney story.
That forest must be some forest, BTW! If all characters seen
together really live in the same forest all the time (if A is
seen with B, and B is seen with C, the A and C...) there are
a lot of inhabitants. The wolfs, the pigs, Br'er Rabbit, Br'er Fox,
Br'er Bear, Bongo, Chip & Dale, Dumbo, the Dwarfs etc.
Then we have the stories with The Big Bad Wolf and Grandma Duck,
and Donald is often seen together with Chip & Dale. Mickey Mouse,
and especially Pluto have also met Chip & Dale. Looks like _one_
big universe to me...
In a few Christmas stories they are really together all of them.
In one of them, Chief O'Hara is singing together with the ducks and
other characters (1969, the Riverboat theatre story).
I don't mean this to be an argument for an "official" removal of
the "borders" between the universes, but I think these examples
illustrates that the borders aren't too clear, and it depends on
what stories you have grown up with how you define the universes.
Hmmm... I've never seen Little Toot together with Moby Duck. No,
that would have been too strange.
If anyone is confused by a particular word I used several times in
my last letters... the word "quiet" is supposed to be "quite".
Thanx to a nice member of the list for correcting me on this :-)
And as H. J. Bjornhaug says, Rotor McKvakk's name is, of course,
Launchpad McQuack in English.
Jorgen A. Bangor (jorgenb at ifi.uio.no)
After I wrote my last letter, another story with a Disney movie
universe character came to mind. It's a Chip & Dale story where
they are having trouble with Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear. To solve
that problem they have to grow big. Bigger than the fox and the
bear. Not too easy for a couple of chipmunks. Then the fairy
(what do you call the nice (and not so nice) women, doing magic
in "Cinderella" and "The sleeping beauty"?) from Cinderella appears
and make them big. Bigger than any other animal (there are no
elephants in this forest (oops forgot about Dumbo, but he's not big)).
If they say the magic words they grow big. If they repeat them,
they shrink to normal size.
Once they grow, they bang their heads into a tree, and forget the
words. Therefore they find a cinema theater showing Cinderella and
listen to the part where the words are said.
Later the fairy comes back to congratulate them with the idea of
watching the movie.
The only explanation to this story, if it's supposed to be real,
is, of course, that the fairy is a fairy, and can do anything...
Or... was she in the movie, and couldn't be able to get out
to the forest until the movie was over, or did she just watch the
chipmunks watching a movie in which she'd played a role in once?
I don't suppose that anyone will answer these questions. The story
is just an example of a strange Disney story.
That forest must be some forest, BTW! If all characters seen
together really live in the same forest all the time (if A is
seen with B, and B is seen with C, the A and C...) there are
a lot of inhabitants. The wolfs, the pigs, Br'er Rabbit, Br'er Fox,
Br'er Bear, Bongo, Chip & Dale, Dumbo, the Dwarfs etc.
Then we have the stories with The Big Bad Wolf and Grandma Duck,
and Donald is often seen together with Chip & Dale. Mickey Mouse,
and especially Pluto have also met Chip & Dale. Looks like _one_
big universe to me...
In a few Christmas stories they are really together all of them.
In one of them, Chief O'Hara is singing together with the ducks and
other characters (1969, the Riverboat theatre story).
I don't mean this to be an argument for an "official" removal of
the "borders" between the universes, but I think these examples
illustrates that the borders aren't too clear, and it depends on
what stories you have grown up with how you define the universes.
Hmmm... I've never seen Little Toot together with Moby Duck. No,
that would have been too strange.
If anyone is confused by a particular word I used several times in
my last letters... the word "quiet" is supposed to be "quite".
Thanx to a nice member of the list for correcting me on this :-)
And as H. J. Bjornhaug says, Rotor McKvakk's name is, of course,
Launchpad McQuack in English.
Jorgen A. Bangor (jorgenb at ifi.uio.no)
David W. Price
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1994-11-03 at 00:24:52
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Bev Keddy
Disney-comics digest #476.
Message 21 -
1994-11-03 at 01:24:39
This is my first official posting to the list. I've been receiving it for
months now and just had nothing to say. I do love the list and
particularly enjoy Don Rosa's comments on the comics business. I'm looking
forward to hearing about his latest trip to Europe.
>Back on October 28, Fredrik Ekman speculated on reasons why Mark Evanier
hadn't replied to his e-mail messages. I can tell you that I sent Mr.
Evanier an e-mail message last month and he replied the next day. He was
absolutely gracious and polite with me, a total stranger. I was just a fan
who contacted him out of the blue with a question. Who would have blamed
him for being rude? He was anything but.
While I don't know if Mr. Evanier would participate in the mailing list,
I'm sure he'd enjoy it and probably wouldn't mind being contacted. Per
could send a polite e-mail inquiry to Mr. Evanier and ask him if he'd be
willing to try out the list.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
======================================================================
Bev Keddy
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Email:nstn1173 at fox.nstn.ca
======================================================================
months now and just had nothing to say. I do love the list and
particularly enjoy Don Rosa's comments on the comics business. I'm looking
forward to hearing about his latest trip to Europe.
>Back on October 28, Fredrik Ekman speculated on reasons why Mark Evanier
hadn't replied to his e-mail messages. I can tell you that I sent Mr.
Evanier an e-mail message last month and he replied the next day. He was
absolutely gracious and polite with me, a total stranger. I was just a fan
who contacted him out of the blue with a question. Who would have blamed
him for being rude? He was anything but.
While I don't know if Mr. Evanier would participate in the mailing list,
I'm sure he'd enjoy it and probably wouldn't mind being contacted. Per
could send a polite e-mail inquiry to Mr. Evanier and ask him if he'd be
willing to try out the list.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
======================================================================
Bev Keddy
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Email:nstn1173 at fox.nstn.ca
======================================================================
Fredrik Ekman
Van Horn
Message 22 -
1994-11-03 at 02:23:37
On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, DAVID.A.GERSTEIN wrote:
> "Deck Us All" was titled something different -- and completely
> forgettable -- here.
That's weird, since "Deck the Hall" is a VERY English song (singing it
with an American accent is close to sacrilige, even though I suspect
Americans do it all the time) and the joke should go through easily to
British readers. When you told me the real title, I actually laughed
loud. I think it must definitely be Van Horn's best title so far.
/F
> "Deck Us All" was titled something different -- and completely
> forgettable -- here.
That's weird, since "Deck the Hall" is a VERY English song (singing it
with an American accent is close to sacrilige, even though I suspect
Americans do it all the time) and the joke should go through easily to
British readers. When you told me the real title, I actually laughed
loud. I think it must definitely be Van Horn's best title so far.
/F
Per Starback
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1994-11-03 at 02:39:55
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trivia lists, mass-market merchandising, animation errors, etc.
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other fans. For all role-playing activities and long-running scenarios.
For discussion of gatherings at the theme parks, on IRC, etc. For stories,
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Erik Corry
Mostly about DD&Co #44
Message 24 -
1994-11-03 at 02:40:58
> Donald Duck & Co #44
>
> There are signs of lack of fantasy in the latest issue.
You mean imagination. Sorry, but I didn't want anyone getting confused.
> I do think I was correct in assuming [the Dustibones story] was
> inspired by the movie "Jurassic Parc"... (D93323)
The Professor (Wagstaff/Moschops) actually admits that he got the
idea from 'a film' :-) At least he does in the German version.
Regarding the double-witch story, I don't think it has appeared in
Germany - if it did, it was before the Danish version appeared in
Denmark.
--
Erik Corry, Freiburg, Germany, +49 761 406637 erik at kroete2.freinet.de
>
> There are signs of lack of fantasy in the latest issue.
You mean imagination. Sorry, but I didn't want anyone getting confused.
> I do think I was correct in assuming [the Dustibones story] was
> inspired by the movie "Jurassic Parc"... (D93323)
The Professor (Wagstaff/Moschops) actually admits that he got the
idea from 'a film' :-) At least he does in the German version.
Regarding the double-witch story, I don't think it has appeared in
Germany - if it did, it was before the Danish version appeared in
Denmark.
--
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Wilmer Rivers
Van Horn story title
Message 25 -
1994-11-03 at 03:39:32
The title "Deck Us All" does indeed have special significance for
American audiences. Of course, it's a pun on the Christmas carol
"Deck the Halls" (with boughs of holly / fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-di-da /
'Tis the season to be jolly / fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-di-da). [That
"la-la-la" business is a 15th century song style known as a "madrigal".]
But more to the point, "Deck us all" is the first line of the parody of
that carol as it was sung every Christmas by the characters in Walt
Kelly's comic strip "Pogo". Van Horn is thus making reference to the
famous work of an earlier Disney artist. (The "Pogo" version of the
carol goes: Deck us all with Boston Charlie / Walla Walla, Wash.,
and Kalamazoo. / Nora's freezing on the trolley / Swaller dollar
cauliflower, alligaroo.)
Wilmer Rivers
American audiences. Of course, it's a pun on the Christmas carol
"Deck the Halls" (with boughs of holly / fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-di-da /
'Tis the season to be jolly / fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-di-da). [That
"la-la-la" business is a 15th century song style known as a "madrigal".]
But more to the point, "Deck us all" is the first line of the parody of
that carol as it was sung every Christmas by the characters in Walt
Kelly's comic strip "Pogo". Van Horn is thus making reference to the
famous work of an earlier Disney artist. (The "Pogo" version of the
carol goes: Deck us all with Boston Charlie / Walla Walla, Wash.,
and Kalamazoo. / Nora's freezing on the trolley / Swaller dollar
cauliflower, alligaroo.)
Wilmer Rivers
9475609
Disney-comics digest #481.
Message 26 -
1994-11-03 at 13:58:57
Dear Folks,
Jorgen was talking about the vastness and confusion of the various
Disney universes, particularly when it came to Duckburg's Black Forest
(where damned near everybody from the features seems to reside). An
interesting fact comes out when he mentions Little Toot: Disney has
LOST all rights to this character save their own film featuring him! So
when Cris Palomino wanted to reprint the Little Toot story in WDC&S
578-579, at the very last moment, she was informed by the legal
department that this couldn't be done. This led to dreadful confusion
and some sudden switching of stories about by subordinates -- and the
final, awful end result of, in WDC&S 579, Part III of Paul Murry's
"Ridin' the Rails" appearing when no previous parts had come before it.
Cris Palomino's chin hit her knees when she saw what had gone to
press...
There was a Donald story in DD 245 (last Whitman issue) in which
Donald was at Grandma's farm when she happened to be chasing Zeke Wolf
off same rural establishment. And for about the only time, Li'l Bad
Wolf stepped in to complain about his father's ill treatment, and I
believe he got consoled by Donald!
And that's not the only time those two have appeared in the same
story. WDC&S 115 has a story where Donald takes a vacation in a forest
cottage, that turns out to be the Three Pigs' home (they have leased it,
while they are on a vacation). This is that issue's LW story. Gil
Turner draws a good Donald, too (but we've seen that, when Disney Comics
reprinted a few of his one-page DDs near the end of their run).
I really enjoy Gil Turner's LW stories from the late 1940s and
early 1950s. He had some measure of continuity in them, and the
characterization is quite good, too. He did some other good ones in the
mid-'50s, too (some of which Disney reprinted). Unfortunately, there
were many others who handled the Wolf feature, not all of them doing so
well at it.
In the 11/88 issue of the Egmont monthly MM (at least its German
incarnation) -- I mean the one released for MM's 60th birthday -- there
was an Esteban story of a treasure hunt, or something, with Mickey,
Donald, Goofy, and Uncle Scrooge. That wouldn't have been a bad idea
except that the writer also included Daisy, Minnie, and BOTH sets of
nephews. The story was just crammed with supporting characters for no
good reason. Did anyone else catch that one? It's the only Egmont
crossover story between Mice and Ducks that I recall.... unless they did
the similar one that appeared in the German weekly's 2000th issue, and I
believe that one was made by the Germans themselves.
When it comes to that story in which CD go to the Disney film of
Cinderella, I... can't believe it. Floyd Gottfredson is the only writer
who ever dealt with his character's film appearances in a consistent and
satisfactory way (by making Mickey's job, while he wasn't away on
adventures, be as an actor). But then we have things like that "This Is
Your Life, DD" story, in which everyone down to Lumpjaw appears as
Donald's fellow ACTORS in jobs at Disney, at the end of the story. What
a MESS. Are we to believe that Lumpjaw staggers out of the forest to
report to work? I get lumps on my own jaw just gnashing my teeth,
trying to sort it all out.
I had to deal with the whole "universe" thing when I wrote
Egmont's official DD and MM Universe Guides in 1992. I have it that
Duckburg and Mouseton are separated by Pickleburg and the Black Forest.
That's the only way I could reconcile (A) the DD and MM characters only
occasionally meeting, and (B) how those characters from the forest seem
to cross over a lot. I also have it that Donald lived in Mouseton
during his younger years, then moved to Duckburg. I classify the
earlier AT strips and all the Pedrocchi stories as taking place before
Donald's move. And when DD moved to Duckburg, he adopted the Nephews
for good, I guess.
In two weeks, we'll see DDA 30, a very good Fernandez/Block story
that I saw at the San Diego Comic Con last summer. This is a story
pairing DD, HDL, and Witch Hazel with... Goofy. Well done, too. Disney
coughed and sputtered at Goofy appearing with DD, but let it pass.
However, they DID insist that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937 Goofy (as he
was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la Murry), saying
that the 1930s Goof wasn't compatible with the 1950s Ducks.
I was present when Pat Block showed said story to Don Rosa. Sorry
to mention this here, Don, but... folks, you should have seen Don's face
when he saw Goofy in that story.
Best wishes,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Bah! Why couldn't beavers do the work, while we wolves collected
the money?"
Jorgen was talking about the vastness and confusion of the various
Disney universes, particularly when it came to Duckburg's Black Forest
(where damned near everybody from the features seems to reside). An
interesting fact comes out when he mentions Little Toot: Disney has
LOST all rights to this character save their own film featuring him! So
when Cris Palomino wanted to reprint the Little Toot story in WDC&S
578-579, at the very last moment, she was informed by the legal
department that this couldn't be done. This led to dreadful confusion
and some sudden switching of stories about by subordinates -- and the
final, awful end result of, in WDC&S 579, Part III of Paul Murry's
"Ridin' the Rails" appearing when no previous parts had come before it.
Cris Palomino's chin hit her knees when she saw what had gone to
press...
There was a Donald story in DD 245 (last Whitman issue) in which
Donald was at Grandma's farm when she happened to be chasing Zeke Wolf
off same rural establishment. And for about the only time, Li'l Bad
Wolf stepped in to complain about his father's ill treatment, and I
believe he got consoled by Donald!
And that's not the only time those two have appeared in the same
story. WDC&S 115 has a story where Donald takes a vacation in a forest
cottage, that turns out to be the Three Pigs' home (they have leased it,
while they are on a vacation). This is that issue's LW story. Gil
Turner draws a good Donald, too (but we've seen that, when Disney Comics
reprinted a few of his one-page DDs near the end of their run).
I really enjoy Gil Turner's LW stories from the late 1940s and
early 1950s. He had some measure of continuity in them, and the
characterization is quite good, too. He did some other good ones in the
mid-'50s, too (some of which Disney reprinted). Unfortunately, there
were many others who handled the Wolf feature, not all of them doing so
well at it.
In the 11/88 issue of the Egmont monthly MM (at least its German
incarnation) -- I mean the one released for MM's 60th birthday -- there
was an Esteban story of a treasure hunt, or something, with Mickey,
Donald, Goofy, and Uncle Scrooge. That wouldn't have been a bad idea
except that the writer also included Daisy, Minnie, and BOTH sets of
nephews. The story was just crammed with supporting characters for no
good reason. Did anyone else catch that one? It's the only Egmont
crossover story between Mice and Ducks that I recall.... unless they did
the similar one that appeared in the German weekly's 2000th issue, and I
believe that one was made by the Germans themselves.
When it comes to that story in which CD go to the Disney film of
Cinderella, I... can't believe it. Floyd Gottfredson is the only writer
who ever dealt with his character's film appearances in a consistent and
satisfactory way (by making Mickey's job, while he wasn't away on
adventures, be as an actor). But then we have things like that "This Is
Your Life, DD" story, in which everyone down to Lumpjaw appears as
Donald's fellow ACTORS in jobs at Disney, at the end of the story. What
a MESS. Are we to believe that Lumpjaw staggers out of the forest to
report to work? I get lumps on my own jaw just gnashing my teeth,
trying to sort it all out.
I had to deal with the whole "universe" thing when I wrote
Egmont's official DD and MM Universe Guides in 1992. I have it that
Duckburg and Mouseton are separated by Pickleburg and the Black Forest.
That's the only way I could reconcile (A) the DD and MM characters only
occasionally meeting, and (B) how those characters from the forest seem
to cross over a lot. I also have it that Donald lived in Mouseton
during his younger years, then moved to Duckburg. I classify the
earlier AT strips and all the Pedrocchi stories as taking place before
Donald's move. And when DD moved to Duckburg, he adopted the Nephews
for good, I guess.
In two weeks, we'll see DDA 30, a very good Fernandez/Block story
that I saw at the San Diego Comic Con last summer. This is a story
pairing DD, HDL, and Witch Hazel with... Goofy. Well done, too. Disney
coughed and sputtered at Goofy appearing with DD, but let it pass.
However, they DID insist that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937 Goofy (as he
was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la Murry), saying
that the 1930s Goof wasn't compatible with the 1950s Ducks.
I was present when Pat Block showed said story to Don Rosa. Sorry
to mention this here, Don, but... folks, you should have seen Don's face
when he saw Goofy in that story.
Best wishes,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Bah! Why couldn't beavers do the work, while we wolves collected
the money?"
Anders Engwall
Strange character couplings
Message 27 -
1994-11-03 at 14:59:33
David Gerstein about intersecting Disney universes...
> There was a Donald story in DD 245 (last Whitman issue) in which
> Donald was at Grandma's farm when she happened to be chasing Zeke Wolf
> off same rural establishment.
There's a Donald story in DD 112 that features Zeke Wolf and Moby Duck.
I've seen a Murry story from the early sixties where Gyro meets Zeke and
the three pigs.
Zeke & son has also met Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket in some Gil Turner
story. And Jiminy has appeared in at least a couple of Murry stories along-
side Pluto...
The weirdest coupling must however be... Scamp and Super Goof (!). It's in
what I believe to be an S- or D-coded story that appeared in Kalle Anka
& C:o in the very early seventies. I tried to locate it in my collection,
but to no avail. Darn, I *know* I've seen it!
Come to think of it, perhaps even stranger is the fact that a couple of
Strobl's S-coded Donald/Scrooge/Fethry stories carry references to *real*
people in the dialogue; sculptor Rodin (forgot his first name) and early
fifties crooner Johnny Ray. Does this mean that *we all* live in the duck
universe?...
> I really enjoy Gil Turner's LW stories from the late 1940s and
> early 1950s.
Me too. Carl von Buettner also did a fairly good job with the wolves.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
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> There was a Donald story in DD 245 (last Whitman issue) in which
> Donald was at Grandma's farm when she happened to be chasing Zeke Wolf
> off same rural establishment.
There's a Donald story in DD 112 that features Zeke Wolf and Moby Duck.
I've seen a Murry story from the early sixties where Gyro meets Zeke and
the three pigs.
Zeke & son has also met Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket in some Gil Turner
story. And Jiminy has appeared in at least a couple of Murry stories along-
side Pluto...
The weirdest coupling must however be... Scamp and Super Goof (!). It's in
what I believe to be an S- or D-coded story that appeared in Kalle Anka
& C:o in the very early seventies. I tried to locate it in my collection,
but to no avail. Darn, I *know* I've seen it!
Come to think of it, perhaps even stranger is the fact that a couple of
Strobl's S-coded Donald/Scrooge/Fethry stories carry references to *real*
people in the dialogue; sculptor Rodin (forgot his first name) and early
fifties crooner Johnny Ray. Does this mean that *we all* live in the duck
universe?...
> I really enjoy Gil Turner's LW stories from the late 1940s and
> early 1950s.
Me too. Carl von Buettner also did a fairly good job with the wolves.
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch
Mark Semich
Disney characters
Message 28 -
1994-11-03 at 15:06:43
David Gerstein writes about Gladstone:
> However, they DID insist that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937 Goofy (as he
> was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la Murry), saying
> that the 1930s Goof wasn't compatible with the 1950s Ducks.
Argh! I recently wrote a letter to Gladstone about this, but someone else
should point out to them that although the Duck's "Golden age" is probably
the 1950's, the best era for the mouse characters is the 1930's! I don't
think there's any incompatibility in having a 1930's Goof with 1950's
ducks at all - it's merely showing the definitive (and best!) forms of all
the characters involved... They mentioned this same things in the latest
letter column in D&M - something about "Paul Murray creating the
definitive Mickey" or something like that "decades after Barks created the
definitive Ducks." Given this mistake on their part, no wonder they are
incapable of publishing good Mouse stories!
> However, they DID insist that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937 Goofy (as he
> was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la Murry), saying
> that the 1930s Goof wasn't compatible with the 1950s Ducks.
Argh! I recently wrote a letter to Gladstone about this, but someone else
should point out to them that although the Duck's "Golden age" is probably
the 1950's, the best era for the mouse characters is the 1930's! I don't
think there's any incompatibility in having a 1930's Goof with 1950's
ducks at all - it's merely showing the definitive (and best!) forms of all
the characters involved... They mentioned this same things in the latest
letter column in D&M - something about "Paul Murray creating the
definitive Mickey" or something like that "decades after Barks created the
definitive Ducks." Given this mistake on their part, no wonder they are
incapable of publishing good Mouse stories!
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Mostly about strange couplings
Message 29 -
1994-11-04 at 03:21:48
Me:
> There are signs of lack of fantasy in the latest issue.
Erik:
> You mean imagination. Sorry, but I didn't want anyone getting confused.
No need to be sorry. I'd rather thank you for telling me :)
The reason why I used the word "fantasy" is that we have the Norwegian
word "fantasi", which means "imagination". The direct translation of
"imagination" into Norwegian does not mean "fantasi"...
Erik:
>The Professor (Wagstaff/Moschops) actually admits that he got the
>idea from 'a film' :-) At least he does in the German version.
Exactly!
Little Toot.
How could they lose the rights? Does that mean someone else got them?
I know Walt Disney himself lost the rights to that rabbit, but how can
the, er... present Walt Disney do that?
And what film is that? It was a surprise to me that Br'er Rabbit was
something more than just a Disney character living in the Black Forest,
and now I understand that Little Toot is something more than just a
comic character. I bet there are no ethnic group involved in tug
business, though :)
What about Bongo? Is he a movie character too?
Character couplings.
As far as I remember, there are several stories with Grandma Duck and
Zeke Wolf. Aren't at least some of these drawn by Carl Barks?
As usual I'll have to count on my memory. The last time I calculated
it, my Disney comics collection consisted of about 150,000 pages.
There isn't enough space for that in the student appartments.
David mentioned the Egmont monthly 11/88.
I've got the Norwegian MM 11/88, but I've read it only once, and
that means it's six years since I read it...
I got a lot of DD&Co from the mid seventies last summer. In one of
them is a two-pager where Goofy is working for Scrooge. I don't remember
what it was about, but whatever it was, someone goofed it up.
I've read a couple of Italian stories where Mickey & co. is watching
movies they've acted in. But those movies were "fictional", not like
the movies in Gottfredson's stories.
The combination of Witch Hazel and Goofy is usual in Italian stories.
She's working real hard to make Goofy believe that she's really a witch.
Anders says that Gyro have met Zeke and the pigs.
Is that a story where Gyro is making gadgets for Zeke, to catch the
pigs? Sounds familiar. I don't think I've seen the Moby Duck story,
but I do remeber a story with Zeke and Jiminy Cricket. Jiminy is
hiding in Zekes hat, to tell him what to do, and not to do (mostly the
latter).
David:
> "Bah! Why couldn't beavers do the work, while we wolves collected
> the money?"
And the beavers end up working with their tails, on the wolf :)
BTW: It's a so called lemming year here. That means there are a _lot_
of lemmings! I'm sure you all know wich story I'm thinking about :-)
I guess the foreign country in the story is called "Norway" in all
translations but the Norwegian... Here it's called something like
"Cheeze Country"...
The cats are certainly having a lot of fun these days.
Jorgen A. Bangor (jorgenb at ifi.uio.no)
> There are signs of lack of fantasy in the latest issue.
Erik:
> You mean imagination. Sorry, but I didn't want anyone getting confused.
No need to be sorry. I'd rather thank you for telling me :)
The reason why I used the word "fantasy" is that we have the Norwegian
word "fantasi", which means "imagination". The direct translation of
"imagination" into Norwegian does not mean "fantasi"...
Erik:
>The Professor (Wagstaff/Moschops) actually admits that he got the
>idea from 'a film' :-) At least he does in the German version.
Exactly!
Little Toot.
How could they lose the rights? Does that mean someone else got them?
I know Walt Disney himself lost the rights to that rabbit, but how can
the, er... present Walt Disney do that?
And what film is that? It was a surprise to me that Br'er Rabbit was
something more than just a Disney character living in the Black Forest,
and now I understand that Little Toot is something more than just a
comic character. I bet there are no ethnic group involved in tug
business, though :)
What about Bongo? Is he a movie character too?
Character couplings.
As far as I remember, there are several stories with Grandma Duck and
Zeke Wolf. Aren't at least some of these drawn by Carl Barks?
As usual I'll have to count on my memory. The last time I calculated
it, my Disney comics collection consisted of about 150,000 pages.
There isn't enough space for that in the student appartments.
David mentioned the Egmont monthly 11/88.
I've got the Norwegian MM 11/88, but I've read it only once, and
that means it's six years since I read it...
I got a lot of DD&Co from the mid seventies last summer. In one of
them is a two-pager where Goofy is working for Scrooge. I don't remember
what it was about, but whatever it was, someone goofed it up.
I've read a couple of Italian stories where Mickey & co. is watching
movies they've acted in. But those movies were "fictional", not like
the movies in Gottfredson's stories.
The combination of Witch Hazel and Goofy is usual in Italian stories.
She's working real hard to make Goofy believe that she's really a witch.
Anders says that Gyro have met Zeke and the pigs.
Is that a story where Gyro is making gadgets for Zeke, to catch the
pigs? Sounds familiar. I don't think I've seen the Moby Duck story,
but I do remeber a story with Zeke and Jiminy Cricket. Jiminy is
hiding in Zekes hat, to tell him what to do, and not to do (mostly the
latter).
David:
> "Bah! Why couldn't beavers do the work, while we wolves collected
> the money?"
And the beavers end up working with their tails, on the wolf :)
BTW: It's a so called lemming year here. That means there are a _lot_
of lemmings! I'm sure you all know wich story I'm thinking about :-)
I guess the foreign country in the story is called "Norway" in all
translations but the Norwegian... Here it's called something like
"Cheeze Country"...
The cats are certainly having a lot of fun these days.
Jorgen A. Bangor (jorgenb at ifi.uio.no)
Benjamin Freedman
Disney-comics digest #482.
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1994-11-04 at 03:25:40
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