Dear Folks,
Matti Maenpaa explained where Gladstone's readership comes
from, then explained that the strength of that market meant that
further advertising wasn't needed. Well, let's start the inevitable
argument. ;-)
You see, KIDS are overlooked when Gladstone's comics aren't
advertised! I have talked to dozens of kids who are great Disney
fans and who, when shown Gladstones from my collection, loved them.
Many of them started buying them after seeing those I showed them.
But none of them knew that the comics even exist. Comic shops have
no advertising for Gladstones anywhere in them. Neither do any of
the comic fanzines, dull as they are, which are popular with the
younger crowd (tripe like "Wizard", I mean). Those fanzines don't
have articles about Gladstone 99% of the time. Is it because ducks
aren't hip? Face it. Marvel BUYS DOZENS of ads in "Wizard." Hence,
"Wizard" covers Marvel extensively. If Gladstone began buying ads in
that pathetic (but well-read) magazine, Wizard would probably look
more kindly toward covering their publications. Did anyone notice
how the "Diamond Previews" catalogue magazine has devoted less space
to Gladstones since they stopped buying a one-page ad? Sad to say,
money is everything when comic-world power moguls splash praise on a
concept and series. (The one exception to all of this, BONE, seems to
have been praised by the moguls just so that they could make
themselves look good. It is one of the best new comics in literally
decades -- already a classic -- but the media's hype about it seems
unfortunately transparent to me.)
When I went into a German comic shop, I saw the German reprints
of Gladstone albums on a specially-prepared cardboard stand made by
Ehapa. The stand had a huge head of Donald at the top. When I
bought some random comics, I took them out of the shop in a bag which
had Ehapa's logo on it and huge illos of CBL Album covers there, too.
Ehapa makes those bags and sells 'em cheap as dirt (or maybe even
GIVES them away) to comic shops as part of a promotional scheme.
THIS is what Gladstone really needs to do. Sure, they're surviving
now. But you never know what you can do until you try.
So how are Marvel's Disney comics doing?
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Author
Topic: 199411
(156 messages)
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Gladstone's advertising
Message 121 -
1994-11-23 at 13:53:19
Per Starback
Test...
Message 122 -
1994-11-23 at 13:54:37
I'm sorry if you get this. It's only a test, and if this works like I
think it will you won't get it.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
think it will you won't get it.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #500.
Message 123 -
1994-11-23 at 14:27:02
Wak! Where's the limited edition, die-cut, gold foil, holographic,
poly-bagged with trading card, 500th anniversary issue. Per, we gotta
teach you something about marketing. 500 issues and absolutely no fan
fare :)
Wilmer wrote about the definition of "waddie". Am I the only who owns
a dictionary? :) According to Webster's waddie is a western slang for
Cowboy. It's first recorded use was in 1927 and its origin is unknown.
Based on the words surrounding waddie in Webster's, I'd guess that this
slang actually came from Australia.
Hence Gene Autrey is singing about loosing his girl to a cowboy from
San Antonio (i.e. a guy from the big city). A rather common theme
in country western music.
James Williams
poly-bagged with trading card, 500th anniversary issue. Per, we gotta
teach you something about marketing. 500 issues and absolutely no fan
fare :)
Wilmer wrote about the definition of "waddie". Am I the only who owns
a dictionary? :) According to Webster's waddie is a western slang for
Cowboy. It's first recorded use was in 1927 and its origin is unknown.
Based on the words surrounding waddie in Webster's, I'd guess that this
slang actually came from Australia.
Hence Gene Autrey is singing about loosing his girl to a cowboy from
San Antonio (i.e. a guy from the big city). A rather common theme
in country western music.
James Williams
Per Starback
Disney-comics digest #500 -- lost messages
Message 124 -
1994-11-23 at 14:53:29
James> Wak! Where's the limited edition, die-cut, gold foil, holographic ...
To get the collector's edition of digest #500 including all the fancy
stuff, just send me one million pazoosas and I will send it to you in
a mylar bag signed by me in three different ways.
Well, at least it was "limited" in some sense, because only a limited
number of messages made it onto the list. I happened to include an
extra ")" in the file with the list of subscribers, which meant that
nothing got through until I recently removed it. So if you got a
bounce message saying something about "Unbalanced ')'" or you ought to
have had a message in digest #500 but didn't (there are one message
each from Wilmer Rivers, Matti J. Maenpaa, and Dave Rawson there --
nothing else), please resend it! Noone on the list got it, including
me, so I can't do it for you. I'm awfully sorry.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
To get the collector's edition of digest #500 including all the fancy
stuff, just send me one million pazoosas and I will send it to you in
a mylar bag signed by me in three different ways.
Well, at least it was "limited" in some sense, because only a limited
number of messages made it onto the list. I happened to include an
extra ")" in the file with the list of subscribers, which meant that
nothing got through until I recently removed it. So if you got a
bounce message saying something about "Unbalanced ')'" or you ought to
have had a message in digest #500 but didn't (there are one message
each from Wilmer Rivers, Matti J. Maenpaa, and Dave Rawson there --
nothing else), please resend it! Noone on the list got it, including
me, so I can't do it for you. I'm awfully sorry.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Ed Berndt
Gladstone's advertising
Message 125 -
1994-11-23 at 20:09:04
Hi everyone,
This is the first time that I have written. Gladstone's and Marvels
advertising is simply terrible. On top of that their distribution system
is awful. I cannot find either gladstone or marviel disney comics here
in the Tri-Cities (Pasco, Kennewick, Richland). I am having severe
withdrawal symptoms since I have been reading Disney for 35 years. I
have every Disney Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comic from 1957 through
1991. After that I have only some of them because they are next to
impossible to find. I guess I will have to subscribe by finding
Gladstones address from one of their comics I purchased before the
promblem in finding them came about.
Why do they not advertise and why is their distributin system so bad.
There are many people that I know that would buy Disney comics except
that they cannnot find any of them.
I am very puzzled by this. Well, sorry, I just had to get it off my
back, withdrawal symptoms you know. :-)
Have a good day,
Ed Berndt
Basin Elementary * *
E-Mail Address: eberndt at mirage.esd123.wednet.edu @
:-) :-) :-) :-) Have a good day. :-) :-) <->
On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, DAVID.A.GERSTEIN wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> Matti Maenpaa explained where Gladstone's readership comes
> from, then explained that the strength of that market meant that
> further advertising wasn't needed. Well, let's start the inevitable
> argument. ;-)
>
> You see, KIDS are overlooked when Gladstone's comics aren't
> advertised! I have talked to dozens of kids who are great Disney
> fans and who, when shown Gladstones from my collection, loved them.
> Many of them started buying them after seeing those I showed them.
> But none of them knew that the comics even exist. Comic shops have
> no advertising for Gladstones anywhere in them. Neither do any of
> the comic fanzines, dull as they are, which are popular with the
> younger crowd (tripe like "Wizard", I mean). Those fanzines don't
> have articles about Gladstone 99% of the time. Is it because ducks
> aren't hip? Face it. Marvel BUYS DOZENS of ads in "Wizard." Hence,
> "Wizard" covers Marvel extensively. If Gladstone began buying ads in
> that pathetic (but well-read) magazine, Wizard would probably look
> more kindly toward covering their publications. Did anyone notice
> how the "Diamond Previews" catalogue magazine has devoted less space
> to Gladstones since they stopped buying a one-page ad? Sad to say,
> money is everything when comic-world power moguls splash praise on a
> concept and series. (The one exception to all of this, BONE, seems to
> have been praised by the moguls just so that they could make
> themselves look good. It is one of the best new comics in literally
> decades -- already a classic -- but the media's hype about it seems
> unfortunately transparent to me.)
>
> When I went into a German comic shop, I saw the German reprints
> of Gladstone albums on a specially-prepared cardboard stand made by
> Ehapa. The stand had a huge head of Donald at the top. When I
> bought some random comics, I took them out of the shop in a bag which
> had Ehapa's logo on it and huge illos of CBL Album covers there, too.
> Ehapa makes those bags and sells 'em cheap as dirt (or maybe even
> GIVES them away) to comic shops as part of a promotional scheme.
> THIS is what Gladstone really needs to do. Sure, they're surviving
> now. But you never know what you can do until you try.
>
> So how are Marvel's Disney comics doing?
>
> David Gerstein
> <9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
>
This is the first time that I have written. Gladstone's and Marvels
advertising is simply terrible. On top of that their distribution system
is awful. I cannot find either gladstone or marviel disney comics here
in the Tri-Cities (Pasco, Kennewick, Richland). I am having severe
withdrawal symptoms since I have been reading Disney for 35 years. I
have every Disney Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge comic from 1957 through
1991. After that I have only some of them because they are next to
impossible to find. I guess I will have to subscribe by finding
Gladstones address from one of their comics I purchased before the
promblem in finding them came about.
Why do they not advertise and why is their distributin system so bad.
There are many people that I know that would buy Disney comics except
that they cannnot find any of them.
I am very puzzled by this. Well, sorry, I just had to get it off my
back, withdrawal symptoms you know. :-)
Have a good day,
Ed Berndt
Basin Elementary * *
E-Mail Address: eberndt at mirage.esd123.wednet.edu @
:-) :-) :-) :-) Have a good day. :-) :-) <->
On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, DAVID.A.GERSTEIN wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> Matti Maenpaa explained where Gladstone's readership comes
> from, then explained that the strength of that market meant that
> further advertising wasn't needed. Well, let's start the inevitable
> argument. ;-)
>
> You see, KIDS are overlooked when Gladstone's comics aren't
> advertised! I have talked to dozens of kids who are great Disney
> fans and who, when shown Gladstones from my collection, loved them.
> Many of them started buying them after seeing those I showed them.
> But none of them knew that the comics even exist. Comic shops have
> no advertising for Gladstones anywhere in them. Neither do any of
> the comic fanzines, dull as they are, which are popular with the
> younger crowd (tripe like "Wizard", I mean). Those fanzines don't
> have articles about Gladstone 99% of the time. Is it because ducks
> aren't hip? Face it. Marvel BUYS DOZENS of ads in "Wizard." Hence,
> "Wizard" covers Marvel extensively. If Gladstone began buying ads in
> that pathetic (but well-read) magazine, Wizard would probably look
> more kindly toward covering their publications. Did anyone notice
> how the "Diamond Previews" catalogue magazine has devoted less space
> to Gladstones since they stopped buying a one-page ad? Sad to say,
> money is everything when comic-world power moguls splash praise on a
> concept and series. (The one exception to all of this, BONE, seems to
> have been praised by the moguls just so that they could make
> themselves look good. It is one of the best new comics in literally
> decades -- already a classic -- but the media's hype about it seems
> unfortunately transparent to me.)
>
> When I went into a German comic shop, I saw the German reprints
> of Gladstone albums on a specially-prepared cardboard stand made by
> Ehapa. The stand had a huge head of Donald at the top. When I
> bought some random comics, I took them out of the shop in a bag which
> had Ehapa's logo on it and huge illos of CBL Album covers there, too.
> Ehapa makes those bags and sells 'em cheap as dirt (or maybe even
> GIVES them away) to comic shops as part of a promotional scheme.
> THIS is what Gladstone really needs to do. Sure, they're surviving
> now. But you never know what you can do until you try.
>
> So how are Marvel's Disney comics doing?
>
> David Gerstein
> <9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
>
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Some of my recent stories
Message 126 -
1994-11-23 at 21:36:28
(A letter originally intended for Digest #500, but denied appearance
there by a computer error only Per understands)
Dear Folks,
I'm guessing there's going to be a while's wait before
"Pork-Barrel Politics" is published. I was shipped the art for "Two
in One" in March 1993, and it was October by the time it was
published. By that same timetable, it could even be April when
"Pork-Barrel Politics" gets published. But on the other hand, Don
Rosa had that 60th-birthday story published almost immediately after
he drew it, so who knows what will happen? My story is 11 pages
long, so I'm guessing it will indeed be the first story in the issue
where it appears.
I actually haven't done THAT many original stories, mainly due
to Egmont downscaling its production for 1994 (since too many stories
were made, by accident, in 1993, when no one was keeping tabs on what
was going on!). My 1994 slate ended as three Donald stories (a
12-pager, a 10-pager, and a 15-pager) and three Mickey stories (all 8
pages long).
The ten-pager, "The Sheepish Rancher" is about DD's new job as
overseer on a sheep ranch. When the appearance of a wolf nearby
coincides with some sheep vanishing, Donald assumes the worst and
begins a series of escalating attempts to capture the wolf,
concluding with something I hope none of you will expect.
"Mickey Mouse's Unjust Dessert" involves Mickey trying his hand
at being a chef, to help Uncle Mortimer wine and dine a European
cattleman named Friedrich Schmecktgut. Mickey lets his enthusiasm
run away with him as he puts together a fancy meal like you've never
seen before, and hopefully will never see again.
I think I've told you about the other stories already. The summer
was also consumed by that "Pirate Gold" sequel, which has been
edited to Disney's taste now and will soon go off to an artist friend
of mine. (AT LAST!!!) This 26-pager was written for Gladstone.
My conception of Mickey Mouse doesn't owe it all to old stories.
He is, in fact, the "disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se" version of
Mickey. We discussed Mickey's character months ago. It was the
voices of many of you, talking about how Mickey should create his
own situations and have more mouse-like curiosity and
impetuousness, that helped me in developing a way to use FG's
late-1930s Mickey in non-adventure stories.
Of course, FG did do great gag stories. But being in the
Sunday strip, their continuity was limited by the need to make each
episode into a gag on its own. (For example, if "Helpless Helpers"
(1936) had been a comic-book story, it would have built to a climactic
catastrophe. As it stands, it has many climaxes.) I needed to
rework this format a bit when it came to gag stories with Mickey for
comic books, and all of you helped me do that. Thanks!
That doesn't mean I'm not going to ignore adventure tales OR
the occasional story when Mickey is caught in adventure that isn't of
his own making. After all Donald, too, often just stumbled into an
adventure, you know -- only by chance did he get involved in them.
It's Scrooge who causes about everything that he gets involved in.
That's about all for now, folks. I'll be back soon. Best,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"The only way for anyone to get ahead of Mickey Mouse, is to
run in front of him!"
there by a computer error only Per understands)
Dear Folks,
I'm guessing there's going to be a while's wait before
"Pork-Barrel Politics" is published. I was shipped the art for "Two
in One" in March 1993, and it was October by the time it was
published. By that same timetable, it could even be April when
"Pork-Barrel Politics" gets published. But on the other hand, Don
Rosa had that 60th-birthday story published almost immediately after
he drew it, so who knows what will happen? My story is 11 pages
long, so I'm guessing it will indeed be the first story in the issue
where it appears.
I actually haven't done THAT many original stories, mainly due
to Egmont downscaling its production for 1994 (since too many stories
were made, by accident, in 1993, when no one was keeping tabs on what
was going on!). My 1994 slate ended as three Donald stories (a
12-pager, a 10-pager, and a 15-pager) and three Mickey stories (all 8
pages long).
The ten-pager, "The Sheepish Rancher" is about DD's new job as
overseer on a sheep ranch. When the appearance of a wolf nearby
coincides with some sheep vanishing, Donald assumes the worst and
begins a series of escalating attempts to capture the wolf,
concluding with something I hope none of you will expect.
"Mickey Mouse's Unjust Dessert" involves Mickey trying his hand
at being a chef, to help Uncle Mortimer wine and dine a European
cattleman named Friedrich Schmecktgut. Mickey lets his enthusiasm
run away with him as he puts together a fancy meal like you've never
seen before, and hopefully will never see again.
I think I've told you about the other stories already. The summer
was also consumed by that "Pirate Gold" sequel, which has been
edited to Disney's taste now and will soon go off to an artist friend
of mine. (AT LAST!!!) This 26-pager was written for Gladstone.
My conception of Mickey Mouse doesn't owe it all to old stories.
He is, in fact, the "disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se" version of
Mickey. We discussed Mickey's character months ago. It was the
voices of many of you, talking about how Mickey should create his
own situations and have more mouse-like curiosity and
impetuousness, that helped me in developing a way to use FG's
late-1930s Mickey in non-adventure stories.
Of course, FG did do great gag stories. But being in the
Sunday strip, their continuity was limited by the need to make each
episode into a gag on its own. (For example, if "Helpless Helpers"
(1936) had been a comic-book story, it would have built to a climactic
catastrophe. As it stands, it has many climaxes.) I needed to
rework this format a bit when it came to gag stories with Mickey for
comic books, and all of you helped me do that. Thanks!
That doesn't mean I'm not going to ignore adventure tales OR
the occasional story when Mickey is caught in adventure that isn't of
his own making. After all Donald, too, often just stumbled into an
adventure, you know -- only by chance did he get involved in them.
It's Scrooge who causes about everything that he gets involved in.
That's about all for now, folks. I'll be back soon. Best,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"The only way for anyone to get ahead of Mickey Mouse, is to
run in front of him!"
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #482
Message 127 -
1994-11-23 at 21:37:56
Dear Folks,
A few weeks ago (in the above-listed digest) I mentioned the
DD/Goofy story by Pat Block appearing in DDA 30 (which may have come
out TODAY in the States). Apparently I gave the impression to Mark
Semich that Gladstone "insist[ed] that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937
Goofy (as he was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la
Murry)". In fact, I was saying this about DISNEY! It was the DISNEY
STUDIO that insisted this be done. John Clark would have rather left
the story as it was! >Phew< Cleared that up, I hope.
Fans of Bolivar who appreciate tried and true will notice that
this story gives HDL a new dog, named Humphrey. Block explained to
me that he was stuck -- Bolivar wasn't right in the role this dog
needed to play. My own guess is that a dog with BRAINS was needed...
Bolivar only thinks when it's time to find a meal! Pat Block has
assured me that Bolivar will appear in future stories.
David Gerstein
"Oh, a horse is like candy, as everyone knows -- the more that
you lick it, the faster it goes!"
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
A few weeks ago (in the above-listed digest) I mentioned the
DD/Goofy story by Pat Block appearing in DDA 30 (which may have come
out TODAY in the States). Apparently I gave the impression to Mark
Semich that Gladstone "insist[ed] that Goofy be redrawn from a 1937
Goofy (as he was originally drawn in the story) to a 1951 Goofy (a la
Murry)". In fact, I was saying this about DISNEY! It was the DISNEY
STUDIO that insisted this be done. John Clark would have rather left
the story as it was! >Phew< Cleared that up, I hope.
Fans of Bolivar who appreciate tried and true will notice that
this story gives HDL a new dog, named Humphrey. Block explained to
me that he was stuck -- Bolivar wasn't right in the role this dog
needed to play. My own guess is that a dog with BRAINS was needed...
Bolivar only thinks when it's time to find a meal! Pat Block has
assured me that Bolivar will appear in future stories.
David Gerstein
"Oh, a horse is like candy, as everyone knows -- the more that
you lick it, the faster it goes!"
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Gladstone's advertising
Message 128 -
1994-11-23 at 21:56:59
Dear Folks,
Ed Berndt stated that after 1991, he only has some of the
comics published by Disney and then Gladstone because at that point
they started being impossible to find.
Funny how 1991 corresponds to Disney's implosion. When that
occurred, if you recall, there were a lot of articles in fanzines
(yes, articles in fanzines) about Disney's new direction under Bob
Foster and Cris Palomino. Disney sales climbed suddenly at all my
local shops, I recall. A lot of former Gladstone buyers came back to
Disney at that time. It just shows you what articles can do. Also
confounds me as to why Ed Berndt had trouble finding those same
issues. I remember seeing the Foster/Palomino Disney-Disneys all
over the place.
For me, they've become hard to find only with the advent of
Gladstone II. Well, okay, I have them all, since I put in a standing
order at my local shop. According to same shop, the number of such
standing orders took an upward surge when Gladstone returned, but the
number of people buying them off same shop's racks fell. Gladstone
made occasional rack-buyers into regular reserve-buyers. But here's
the important thing -- my local shop, and other shops whose owners I
spoke to, haven't upped their monthly Gladstone order at all. The
change in how consumers buy the books thus means fewer copies on
the racks; the shop doesn't buy more so that it has the same amount
on the racks as before. The shops have no faith that anyone new is
going to begin buying the comics in the foreseeable future!
Another reason to ADVERTISE!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.edu>
"Don't ask us, Unca Donald! We're ruffians -- remember?"
Ed Berndt stated that after 1991, he only has some of the
comics published by Disney and then Gladstone because at that point
they started being impossible to find.
Funny how 1991 corresponds to Disney's implosion. When that
occurred, if you recall, there were a lot of articles in fanzines
(yes, articles in fanzines) about Disney's new direction under Bob
Foster and Cris Palomino. Disney sales climbed suddenly at all my
local shops, I recall. A lot of former Gladstone buyers came back to
Disney at that time. It just shows you what articles can do. Also
confounds me as to why Ed Berndt had trouble finding those same
issues. I remember seeing the Foster/Palomino Disney-Disneys all
over the place.
For me, they've become hard to find only with the advent of
Gladstone II. Well, okay, I have them all, since I put in a standing
order at my local shop. According to same shop, the number of such
standing orders took an upward surge when Gladstone returned, but the
number of people buying them off same shop's racks fell. Gladstone
made occasional rack-buyers into regular reserve-buyers. But here's
the important thing -- my local shop, and other shops whose owners I
spoke to, haven't upped their monthly Gladstone order at all. The
change in how consumers buy the books thus means fewer copies on
the racks; the shop doesn't buy more so that it has the same amount
on the racks as before. The shops have no faith that anyone new is
going to begin buying the comics in the foreseeable future!
Another reason to ADVERTISE!
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.edu>
"Don't ask us, Unca Donald! We're ruffians -- remember?"
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #501.
Message 129 -
1994-11-24 at 06:40:48
JAMES W.:
Well, as the whizball researcher that I am, I checked several
unabridged dictionaries and even had my old college history prof check
his huge reference library... and there was no mention of "waddie". Hm.
Well, as the whizball researcher that I am, I checked several
unabridged dictionaries and even had my old college history prof check
his huge reference library... and there was no mention of "waddie". Hm.
Mark Semich
Waddie
Message 130 -
1994-11-24 at 17:08:35
Don sez:
> Well, as the whizball researcher that I am, I checked several
>unabridged dictionaries and even had my old college history prof check
>his huge reference library... and there was no mention of "waddie". Hm.
According to Webster's, the word fist appeared in 1927:
3wad-dy or wad-die \'waEd-e]\ n, pl waddies
[origin unknown]
West
(1927)
:COWBOY
But according to the Oxford English Dictionary, it's actually somewhat
older and has some negative connotations:
waddy (2) U.S slang. Also waddie
[Origin uncertain.] A cattle rustler; a cowboy, esp. a temporary cowhand.
1897 E. HOUGH Story of a Cowboy 279 "A genuine rustler was called a
'waddy', a name difficult to trace to its origin."
1927 J. LOMAX Cowboy Songs 374 "He rides a fancy horse, he's a favorite
man, Can get more credit than a common waddie can."
1931 W. ROGERS in S.K. Gragert 'Will Rogers' Weekly Articles' (1982) V.
470 "You town waddies know what a combine is?"
The OED also gives waddy (1) as an Australian word, meaning "an aborginal
war club." (The word's first written usage being from 1788.) In Aus, this
word eventually came to mean "to strike, beat, or kill with a waddy":
1855 LD. SHERBROOKE poems (1885) 100 'The black thieves appeared, My
shepards they waddied, my cattle they speared.'
Although it seems unlikely that the same word moved from Aus to the U.S.,
it does strike me as possible that the "cattle rustler" definition could
have evolved from this latter Australian usage. And once the word was in
usage in the U.S as "cattle rustler" it could have continued to evolve
into just meaning "cowboy." (Kind of like "Hacker" in reverse :-) )
> Well, as the whizball researcher that I am, I checked several
>unabridged dictionaries and even had my old college history prof check
>his huge reference library... and there was no mention of "waddie". Hm.
According to Webster's, the word fist appeared in 1927:
3wad-dy or wad-die \'waEd-e]\ n, pl waddies
[origin unknown]
West
(1927)
:COWBOY
But according to the Oxford English Dictionary, it's actually somewhat
older and has some negative connotations:
waddy (2) U.S slang. Also waddie
[Origin uncertain.] A cattle rustler; a cowboy, esp. a temporary cowhand.
1897 E. HOUGH Story of a Cowboy 279 "A genuine rustler was called a
'waddy', a name difficult to trace to its origin."
1927 J. LOMAX Cowboy Songs 374 "He rides a fancy horse, he's a favorite
man, Can get more credit than a common waddie can."
1931 W. ROGERS in S.K. Gragert 'Will Rogers' Weekly Articles' (1982) V.
470 "You town waddies know what a combine is?"
The OED also gives waddy (1) as an Australian word, meaning "an aborginal
war club." (The word's first written usage being from 1788.) In Aus, this
word eventually came to mean "to strike, beat, or kill with a waddy":
1855 LD. SHERBROOKE poems (1885) 100 'The black thieves appeared, My
shepards they waddied, my cattle they speared.'
Although it seems unlikely that the same word moved from Aus to the U.S.,
it does strike me as possible that the "cattle rustler" definition could
have evolved from this latter Australian usage. And once the word was in
usage in the U.S as "cattle rustler" it could have continued to evolve
into just meaning "cowboy." (Kind of like "Hacker" in reverse :-) )
Swen69
Gladstone's advertising
Message 131 -
1994-11-24 at 18:07:48
Hi Everybody !
While stating that there is a certain demand for Disney comics, because some
items are hard to find, I mainly referred to older Disney comics. This, as
such, had nothing to do with whether Gladstone should accelerate their
marketing campaign through advertising. David A. Gerstein quite right, as far
as I can see, points out that Marvel and some other comics are much more
visible in comics stands and papers, and lots of youngsters, particularly
here in the States, know nothing about the Disney comics.
Still, I can see lots of Gladstones at comic conventions and comics shops,
which led me to believe that somebody must buy them. And Gladstones are
readily available for collectors and buyers.
Matti Maenpaa
While stating that there is a certain demand for Disney comics, because some
items are hard to find, I mainly referred to older Disney comics. This, as
such, had nothing to do with whether Gladstone should accelerate their
marketing campaign through advertising. David A. Gerstein quite right, as far
as I can see, points out that Marvel and some other comics are much more
visible in comics stands and papers, and lots of youngsters, particularly
here in the States, know nothing about the Disney comics.
Still, I can see lots of Gladstones at comic conventions and comics shops,
which led me to believe that somebody must buy them. And Gladstones are
readily available for collectors and buyers.
Matti Maenpaa
George Kesidis
Disney-comics digest #502.
Message 132 -
1994-11-25 at 05:10:04
Okay. I'm definitely interested in the fine US's.
I'll have to get back to you next week as I'm off to
a conference.
-George
I'll have to get back to you next week as I'm off to
a conference.
-George
Mike Pohjola
Mailing list
Message 133 -
1994-11-25 at 16:16:41
Please tell me if/when I do something unpolite. It's my first
time in a mailing list.
ALL:
Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
JORGEN:
You said something about the motor of 313, which doesn't seem to match
excactly the model of the body. Well, maybe Barks didn't know that much
about motors and thought they all looked the same (I did, before I read
your writing).
DON: (have to say something to you, so my friend will turn green ;)
Has there ever been a Barks (or somebody else) story, about Scrooge
sticking that rifle in the ice? See, this's been troubling me for years
now and I still am not sure. I seem to remember a story published in
'60s at Finland, where he did that. But that's just about all I do
remember. It's tearing me apart!
JAMES:
I don't think, Jack Benny was anyhow an inspiration to Uncle Scrooge
(though I haven't seen a single episode of his show), but I think, that
the first scetches of US were inspired by Ebenezer Scrooge. Wasn't that
christmas story the first? Bah, humbug!-)
AUGUST:
You asked Jorgen about those Disney Afternoon cartoons in Scandinavia.
Well, FInland isn't Scandinavia, but very close of it, so... First of all,
most Finns like to think cartoons as something only for kids. (Including
Simpsons and Beavis and Butt-head) And the fact, there are animals in
there, make them even more 'childish'. So, there's Darkwing Duck and
Little Mermaid cartoons shown every sunday morning speaking English. I like
DD, but LM goes little over the top... "Hi, daddy. It followed me home, can
I keep it?" ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
time in a mailing list.
ALL:
Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
JORGEN:
You said something about the motor of 313, which doesn't seem to match
excactly the model of the body. Well, maybe Barks didn't know that much
about motors and thought they all looked the same (I did, before I read
your writing).
DON: (have to say something to you, so my friend will turn green ;)
Has there ever been a Barks (or somebody else) story, about Scrooge
sticking that rifle in the ice? See, this's been troubling me for years
now and I still am not sure. I seem to remember a story published in
'60s at Finland, where he did that. But that's just about all I do
remember. It's tearing me apart!
JAMES:
I don't think, Jack Benny was anyhow an inspiration to Uncle Scrooge
(though I haven't seen a single episode of his show), but I think, that
the first scetches of US were inspired by Ebenezer Scrooge. Wasn't that
christmas story the first? Bah, humbug!-)
AUGUST:
You asked Jorgen about those Disney Afternoon cartoons in Scandinavia.
Well, FInland isn't Scandinavia, but very close of it, so... First of all,
most Finns like to think cartoons as something only for kids. (Including
Simpsons and Beavis and Butt-head) And the fact, there are animals in
there, make them even more 'childish'. So, there's Darkwing Duck and
Little Mermaid cartoons shown every sunday morning speaking English. I like
DD, but LM goes little over the top... "Hi, daddy. It followed me home, can
I keep it?" ;)
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Fredrik Ekman
Mailing list
Message 134 -
1994-11-25 at 22:56:03
On Fri, 25 Nov 1994, Mike Pohjola wrote:
> Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
> I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
Well, I think most of us would agree that who you consider to be canon is
very much up to your personal taste. I would personally say that
Taliaferro as well as Van Horn and maybe even a few selected Strobl and
Italain stories are canon. Don, on the other hand, (as we all know) sees
Barks as the only canon.
If you mean who professional duck writers see as canon, it seems as
though at least Egmont's writers only go by the Barks ducks. Perhaps
David or some of our other pros can give us more info on this?
/F
> Are there any other 'canon' duck-drawers, but Rosa and Barks?
> I mean, is Al Taliafferro, for instance counted as a one?
Well, I think most of us would agree that who you consider to be canon is
very much up to your personal taste. I would personally say that
Taliaferro as well as Van Horn and maybe even a few selected Strobl and
Italain stories are canon. Don, on the other hand, (as we all know) sees
Barks as the only canon.
If you mean who professional duck writers see as canon, it seems as
though at least Egmont's writers only go by the Barks ducks. Perhaps
David or some of our other pros can give us more info on this?
/F
Dave Rawson
Disney-comics digest #502.
Message 135 -
1994-11-26 at 06:08:14
My two cents on waddie: a wadi is a dry creek in Africa prone to
flash floods (I seem to remember David Attenburough standing in one
amidst a dry wash of ancient bones). This is much like a gully or
wash here in the states which also remain dry, but carry runoff
during a heavy rain.
In the American southwest a "dry-gulcher" was an ambush robber.
Wadai is a former sultanate of the Sudan, now in the eastern part of
Chad bordering the Sahara.
Sounds like to me a 'waddie' might be a black cowboy gone to the bad,
rustling and ambushing. Anyone know if rustlers used gullies /
gulches / wadis to pen or run (below the horizon) stolen cattle?
It's a good gimmick, even if not! :)
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flash floods (I seem to remember David Attenburough standing in one
amidst a dry wash of ancient bones). This is much like a gully or
wash here in the states which also remain dry, but carry runoff
during a heavy rain.
In the American southwest a "dry-gulcher" was an ambush robber.
Wadai is a former sultanate of the Sudan, now in the eastern part of
Chad bordering the Sahara.
Sounds like to me a 'waddie' might be a black cowboy gone to the bad,
rustling and ambushing. Anyone know if rustlers used gullies /
gulches / wadis to pen or run (below the horizon) stolen cattle?
It's a good gimmick, even if not! :)
... ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI.
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 20
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]