HARRY:
What the... after all the times I've mentioned how I pay for
these digests, you've forgotten?!?! I don't pay ANY fee on COMPUSERVE
for my connect time. But I pay for everything that is sent to me from
INTERNET and everything I send TO INTERNET, by each character... each
letter in the typed message! Why do you think I always gripe when people
reprint portions of past digests when they wish to reply to an item?
It's a useless function that only costs me extra money since I must pay
to reread comments, often my OWN.
By the way... we need to talk about your "Rosa's Comments" file.
I knew this might happen... and it's the reason I ask Per for a list of
this Digests viewers from time to time. But someone at the Egmont
company stumbled upon the Digest, further stumbled upon your "Rosa's
Comments" file, printed it out, made copies, and sent it to Egmont
editors with circles around various entries for their examination of
what I'm saying. Therefore, I'd like to ask you to go back into that
file and DELETE any comments that might have a negative connotation to
anyone. In particular, they had circled my very old comments about how
Barks seems to dislike my work and so forth... please delete any
comments I ever made about Barks or his private opinions or ANYTHING
like that. After all, so MUCH has happened on that front since then that
it makes all those older comments pretty obsolete anyway!
And in case you're wondering about that situation, I had my
lawyers in Oregon file that lawsuit against The Weasel a few weeks ago.
And Harry... of course you have none of my comments about The Weasel
Family in that file! (I'm not going to change what I type into this
Digest, but it's a bad idea to have everything I say piling up in an
easilly accessible file which can be downloaded at the push of a button
by wandering weasels.)
That crow character in the Goofy strips that you say date back
to the 1950s? I can look up his name if you need it, but he's apparently
so popular to this day in France that there are often strips and stories
just about HIM with no other Disney characters. I was wondering who he
was when I got aholt of some of those French comics -- at first i
thought he was from DUMBO or something weird. But for a small talking,
intelligent crow to pop out of a Goofy - Mickey Mouse strip is bizarre
enough! In Disney comics crows are just crows! Very disturbing to my
narrow vision of the Disney comics Universe, even when I allow a niche
for Mickey in it (in a parallel dimension to Barks' Ducks, of course).
BEV:
You're not a girl? Oh. I don't think I've ever heard of the name
"Bev" for a guy -- I assumed it was "Beverly". No? Besides, I'm always
anxious to find another girl who reads comics. How about pretending
you're a girl just to make me happy?
The reason "The Lost Charts of Columbus" is set in Nova Scotia
in part is that in "The Golden Helmet" the characters drifted south from
Labrador before losing the Helmet overboard -- this, I figure, placed
the site for the Helmet's recovery in the shallow Grand Banks waters off
Newfoundland. Then, for some reason, I had the nephews stationed at the
Junior Woodchucks lodge in Nova Scotia. I can't recall why I put them
there instead of in St.Johns... I think I suspected a girl from Nova
Scotia was soon to join this List and I wanted to make her feel welcome.
And then you pull this weird switch on me! What am I to think?!
The Ducks then go to Anticosti Island up there to search for the
lost abbey of Brendan of Ireland.
What happened to TCR, The Comic Reader? It was, to me, the LAST
of the TRUE comic fanzines... done just for the love of reading comics.
It naturally collapsed when something flashy and vapid came along to
fill that niche of current news and reviews, that being AMAZING HEROES.
And that's why AMAZING HEROES collapsed when something completely vapid
came along, called WIZARD. When teams of scientists discover something
even more vapid than WIZARD, WIZARD will disappear. My theory is that it
will be something on CD ROM with just pictures and spoken dialogue,
eliminating that awful READING nonsense that Americans hate so much.
Author
Topic: 199411
(156 messages)
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #487.
Message 61 -
1994-11-10 at 15:43:05
Mark Mayerson
Last Sled to Dawson
Message 62 -
1994-11-10 at 17:07:54
Several weeks ago I attended a comics convention in Toronto where there
were tons of comics available for 25 cents apiece. Most of these were
superhero comics, but I did manage to find one Disney comic: Uncle
Scrooge Adventures #5 with Don Rosa's Last Sled to Dawson.
I've been aware of Rosa for years because of his various information
columns in fanzines, but I've only started reading his comics since the
Life of Scrooge started being printed by Gladstone.
Last Sled to Dawson is a terrific story. Beautifully plotted and paced.
Funny. I think I enjoyed it more than the Life of Scrooge episodes that
have been printed thus far because it had more room to breathe at 28 pages.
Also, while it was clearly based on Barks, it didn't have to conform to
the timeline that Barks implied and Rosa has constructed.
I may be the last person on this list to read this story, but I wanted to
say how much I enjoyed it and thank Don for doing it.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Note the new phone number-------------->(416) 504-9876
were tons of comics available for 25 cents apiece. Most of these were
superhero comics, but I did manage to find one Disney comic: Uncle
Scrooge Adventures #5 with Don Rosa's Last Sled to Dawson.
I've been aware of Rosa for years because of his various information
columns in fanzines, but I've only started reading his comics since the
Life of Scrooge started being printed by Gladstone.
Last Sled to Dawson is a terrific story. Beautifully plotted and paced.
Funny. I think I enjoyed it more than the Life of Scrooge episodes that
have been printed thus far because it had more room to breathe at 28 pages.
Also, while it was clearly based on Barks, it didn't have to conform to
the timeline that Barks implied and Rosa has constructed.
I may be the last person on this list to read this story, but I wanted to
say how much I enjoyed it and thank Don for doing it.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Note the new phone number-------------->(416) 504-9876
Tallmo
Goofy's raven friend
Message 63 -
1994-11-10 at 20:26:51
David:
The strip I have with the raven is the one where Goofy actually goes to a
pet shop and buys him. Is he a crow or a raven? In Swedish he is called a
raven (or "korp"). How does he talk in English? In Swedish I get the
impression that he could be talking in some black jargon. He is very funny
I think - very self confident and arrogant. In the last panel he is dressed
in a beret and plaid coat, bragging to some girld birds (or is that
bird-birds) about himself.
Karl-Erik
---------------------------------------------------------------------
KARL-ERIK TALLMO, Swedish writer, journalist, critic and HyperCard
programmer, living in Stockholm. Contributor of articles to Nordic dailies
and magazines. Writes about music, literature and computers. Also DTP,
Swedish grammar checking, translation, etc. through the private firm NISUS
PUBLISHING.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The strip I have with the raven is the one where Goofy actually goes to a
pet shop and buys him. Is he a crow or a raven? In Swedish he is called a
raven (or "korp"). How does he talk in English? In Swedish I get the
impression that he could be talking in some black jargon. He is very funny
I think - very self confident and arrogant. In the last panel he is dressed
in a beret and plaid coat, bragging to some girld birds (or is that
bird-birds) about himself.
Karl-Erik
---------------------------------------------------------------------
KARL-ERIK TALLMO, Swedish writer, journalist, critic and HyperCard
programmer, living in Stockholm. Contributor of articles to Nordic dailies
and magazines. Writes about music, literature and computers. Also DTP,
Swedish grammar checking, translation, etc. through the private firm NISUS
PUBLISHING.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Tryg Helseth
A name of a different gender...
Message 64 -
1994-11-11 at 02:46:32
>Don was wondering if my name is actually Beverly. I'm saddened to report
>that that is indeed my name. My full name is Beverly David Keddy.
Bev:
Perhaps your name is one of those that was orginally used as a male name,
but changed in usage over the years. In North America we have a lot of
names that were male names in Great Britian, but somehow chnaged gender when
crossing the ocean. You mentioned Leslie for one, then there's Tracey,
Stacey, and the more recently popular Ashley to name a few. And, of
course, there are many names used both ways.
My brother is named 'Jan' which is Scandinavian and pronounced 'yawn'; it
confuses the heck out of most English speaking folks who think it is short
for Janet or Janice. To steer just a smidgen back on topic, the name
'Bambi' seems to be assigned exclusively to females even though the Bambi
of the Disney story was a male. Strange!
Anyhow, welcome to the list!
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
>that that is indeed my name. My full name is Beverly David Keddy.
Bev:
Perhaps your name is one of those that was orginally used as a male name,
but changed in usage over the years. In North America we have a lot of
names that were male names in Great Britian, but somehow chnaged gender when
crossing the ocean. You mentioned Leslie for one, then there's Tracey,
Stacey, and the more recently popular Ashley to name a few. And, of
course, there are many names used both ways.
My brother is named 'Jan' which is Scandinavian and pronounced 'yawn'; it
confuses the heck out of most English speaking folks who think it is short
for Janet or Janice. To steer just a smidgen back on topic, the name
'Bambi' seems to be assigned exclusively to females even though the Bambi
of the Disney story was a male. Strange!
Anyhow, welcome to the list!
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Bev Keddy
Disney-comics digest #488.
Message 65 -
1994-11-11 at 03:14:13
>Don was wondering if my name is actually Beverly. I'm saddened to report
that that is indeed my name. My full name is Beverly David Keddy. I was
named after my uncle on my mother's side. When I was born, Uncle Bev
hadn't had any children yet, so she decided to name me after him. Bev was
named after a doctor in Grand Manan Island, off the coast of New
Brunswick.
I kinda wish some other uncle hadn't had kids yet so that I could have had
a more dignified name.
You wouldn't believe some of the mail I get. A few years ago I received an
offer for a free pair of pantyhose. This was before I was seeing my
girlfriend, so I kept it for a laugh. I eventually sent it to Don and
Maggie at CBG as a joke.
There are a surprising number of males in Nova Scotia who have tradition
women's names. The head of the Computer Science department at my university
(that was my major) was a guy named Leslie Oliver, and I have known some guys
named Kim. I have also known of some other men named Beverly. It doesn't
happen often, but it does happen.
Oh, you didn't say when you expect "The Lost Maps of Atlantis" to be
published by Gladstone. Do you have any idea?
Keep up the great work.
======================================================================
Bev Keddy
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Email:nstn1173 at fox.nstn.ca
======================================================================
that that is indeed my name. My full name is Beverly David Keddy. I was
named after my uncle on my mother's side. When I was born, Uncle Bev
hadn't had any children yet, so she decided to name me after him. Bev was
named after a doctor in Grand Manan Island, off the coast of New
Brunswick.
I kinda wish some other uncle hadn't had kids yet so that I could have had
a more dignified name.
You wouldn't believe some of the mail I get. A few years ago I received an
offer for a free pair of pantyhose. This was before I was seeing my
girlfriend, so I kept it for a laugh. I eventually sent it to Don and
Maggie at CBG as a joke.
There are a surprising number of males in Nova Scotia who have tradition
women's names. The head of the Computer Science department at my university
(that was my major) was a guy named Leslie Oliver, and I have known some guys
named Kim. I have also known of some other men named Beverly. It doesn't
happen often, but it does happen.
Oh, you didn't say when you expect "The Lost Maps of Atlantis" to be
published by Gladstone. Do you have any idea?
Keep up the great work.
======================================================================
Bev Keddy
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Email:nstn1173 at fox.nstn.ca
======================================================================
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #488.
Message 66 -
1994-11-11 at 06:35:53
DAVID:
Gladstone colored Walt Disney's hand white because he's FROZEN,
of course. What a question.
MARK:
"Last Sled to Dawson" is my favorite story. It was drawn on top
of Barks' own old drawing board that I borrowed from Don Ault for the
occaision. Perhaps the greatest complement I've ever had comes from the
old Duck fans who told me that the last page in that story made them
cry, which a comic book had never before done.
Gladstone colored Walt Disney's hand white because he's FROZEN,
of course. What a question.
MARK:
"Last Sled to Dawson" is my favorite story. It was drawn on top
of Barks' own old drawing board that I borrowed from Don Ault for the
occaision. Perhaps the greatest complement I've ever had comes from the
old Duck fans who told me that the last page in that story made them
cry, which a comic book had never before done.
Dave Rawson
Some of my Egmont work
Message 67 -
1994-11-11 at 08:41:32
DAVID GERSTEIN: I've been concentrating on putting Mickey into
interesting visual situations, with strong characterization leavened
by whimsy.
The 44-page story I'm working on now is called FUTURE IMPERFECT
and is a Mickey Mystery that takes place in the not too distant
future.
The story before that, YOURS VIRTUALLY, was a 34-page Mickey
Adventure that takes place in the fantasy landscape constructed by a
kind of expert-systems-software called Inamorato.
Inamorato was designed to help the folks at Heartland
Publishing plot romance novels. Rather than keyboard input, or even
voice recognition, Inamorato is programed from a Mind/Hardware
Interface.
Mickey and Minnie are given a demonstration of the virtual
experience of interacting (through the M/HIs) with Inamorato and
have a more or less fine time with Inamorato taking a shine to
Minnie.
When the experience ends, Minnie is not released. Inamorato has
gone rouge. Mickey has to go back under the M/HI and try to rescue
her, wandering the fantasy/anachronistic landscape and overcoming
the obstacles invented by Inamorato. Minnie for her part, attempts
to reason with the infantile software construct while trapped in a
room with no exit.
The story before that was MICKEY'S MONKEY, a 30-page time
travel story which ends with a twist of paradox. The monkey of the
title is Pierrot, an intelligent capuchin used by Professor Gizmo in
his time travel experiments.
By my manipulating the schema of the paradox, Pierrot has met
and had an adventure with Mickey, long before Mickey meets the
monkey in the mouse's time frame. Thus, Pierrot's agitation on
seeing Mickey "again" initially draws Mickey into the adventure that
the monkey _already has had_ with Mickey.
Because things go awry (as they must, eh?), Mickey and Pierrot
are unpredictably hurled back from one era to another -- from
Depression Era marketplace to Native American village to even as far
back as a few million years ago at the dawn of Man.
The story is circular in design, so Mickey must figure out how
to resolve things by setting in motion the events that caused things
to begin with!
HAUNTED CARNIVAL was a 30-pager with Mickey and Minnie.
MOTHER'S LOVE was a 50-page Mickey Mystery about a group of
female wrestlers as a front for a smuggling operation.
A QUESTIONABLE SURVEY was a 30-pager that took Mickey and Goofy
to an imaginary country in Asia (much where Myanmar, formerly Burma,
would be if you actually track it on a map). I like to use this
area of the world because it's where a totalitarian regime currently
keeps the duly elected President of Myanmar, a Noble Prize winner,
under house arrest.
Because the regime is so brutal, no news escapes to the Western
Press which is forbidden access to the interior of this country.
Therefore, I like casting a tiny light in its direction.
That's about it for this last year at Egmont.
My first 50-page Mickey Mystery, THE STAMP ACT, approaches
publication. It's two major influences are Rashomon and The
Purloined Letter.
Hope this helps introduce myself to the folks here. Thanks for
asking!
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 5
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
interesting visual situations, with strong characterization leavened
by whimsy.
The 44-page story I'm working on now is called FUTURE IMPERFECT
and is a Mickey Mystery that takes place in the not too distant
future.
The story before that, YOURS VIRTUALLY, was a 34-page Mickey
Adventure that takes place in the fantasy landscape constructed by a
kind of expert-systems-software called Inamorato.
Inamorato was designed to help the folks at Heartland
Publishing plot romance novels. Rather than keyboard input, or even
voice recognition, Inamorato is programed from a Mind/Hardware
Interface.
Mickey and Minnie are given a demonstration of the virtual
experience of interacting (through the M/HIs) with Inamorato and
have a more or less fine time with Inamorato taking a shine to
Minnie.
When the experience ends, Minnie is not released. Inamorato has
gone rouge. Mickey has to go back under the M/HI and try to rescue
her, wandering the fantasy/anachronistic landscape and overcoming
the obstacles invented by Inamorato. Minnie for her part, attempts
to reason with the infantile software construct while trapped in a
room with no exit.
The story before that was MICKEY'S MONKEY, a 30-page time
travel story which ends with a twist of paradox. The monkey of the
title is Pierrot, an intelligent capuchin used by Professor Gizmo in
his time travel experiments.
By my manipulating the schema of the paradox, Pierrot has met
and had an adventure with Mickey, long before Mickey meets the
monkey in the mouse's time frame. Thus, Pierrot's agitation on
seeing Mickey "again" initially draws Mickey into the adventure that
the monkey _already has had_ with Mickey.
Because things go awry (as they must, eh?), Mickey and Pierrot
are unpredictably hurled back from one era to another -- from
Depression Era marketplace to Native American village to even as far
back as a few million years ago at the dawn of Man.
The story is circular in design, so Mickey must figure out how
to resolve things by setting in motion the events that caused things
to begin with!
HAUNTED CARNIVAL was a 30-pager with Mickey and Minnie.
MOTHER'S LOVE was a 50-page Mickey Mystery about a group of
female wrestlers as a front for a smuggling operation.
A QUESTIONABLE SURVEY was a 30-pager that took Mickey and Goofy
to an imaginary country in Asia (much where Myanmar, formerly Burma,
would be if you actually track it on a map). I like to use this
area of the world because it's where a totalitarian regime currently
keeps the duly elected President of Myanmar, a Noble Prize winner,
under house arrest.
Because the regime is so brutal, no news escapes to the Western
Press which is forbidden access to the interior of this country.
Therefore, I like casting a tiny light in its direction.
That's about it for this last year at Egmont.
My first 50-page Mickey Mystery, THE STAMP ACT, approaches
publication. It's two major influences are Rashomon and The
Purloined Letter.
Hope this helps introduce myself to the folks here. Thanks for
asking!
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 5
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
H.W. Fluks
Ftp file 'don-rosa'
Message 68 -
1994-11-11 at 10:49:27
Don:
> What the... after all the times I've mentioned how I pay for
> these digests, you've forgotten?!?!
You mentioned often enough THAT you have to pay, but seldom HOW you have
to pay. And since you mentioned those 1.5 hours and the costs in one
sentence, I just wanted to be sure.
Still it sounds to me you have the wrong postmaster. All Dutch Internet
agents offer FREE receipt of messages, and charge for outgoing messages
only. Oh, well... you're not in Holland.
> about your "Rosa's Comments" file.
This file indeed contains a 10-line comment about Barks. It was I think
one of the very first comments you made. I included it in that file
at the time. When you told us more about weasels and such, I decided not
to include more comments of that kind in the file. But I actually never
re-read your first comment! If I had realised it contained words like
'malicious', I would have chosen a milder quote, or just deleted it.
PER: please delete the 'ROSA ABOUT BARKS' entry in the ftp-file 'don-rosa'.
The rest of the file are (IMHO) very interesting comments about your
stories. There may be an occasional comment about Disney censorship,
but that should not be a problem.
BTW: as mentioned before: _everything_ sent to this list is stored in a
publicly accessible archive as well.
--Harry.
> What the... after all the times I've mentioned how I pay for
> these digests, you've forgotten?!?!
You mentioned often enough THAT you have to pay, but seldom HOW you have
to pay. And since you mentioned those 1.5 hours and the costs in one
sentence, I just wanted to be sure.
Still it sounds to me you have the wrong postmaster. All Dutch Internet
agents offer FREE receipt of messages, and charge for outgoing messages
only. Oh, well... you're not in Holland.
> about your "Rosa's Comments" file.
This file indeed contains a 10-line comment about Barks. It was I think
one of the very first comments you made. I included it in that file
at the time. When you told us more about weasels and such, I decided not
to include more comments of that kind in the file. But I actually never
re-read your first comment! If I had realised it contained words like
'malicious', I would have chosen a milder quote, or just deleted it.
PER: please delete the 'ROSA ABOUT BARKS' entry in the ftp-file 'don-rosa'.
The rest of the file are (IMHO) very interesting comments about your
stories. There may be an occasional comment about Disney censorship,
but that should not be a problem.
BTW: as mentioned before: _everything_ sent to this list is stored in a
publicly accessible archive as well.
--Harry.
Mattias Hallin
NAFS(k)uriren #25
Message 69 -
1994-11-11 at 13:43:06
DAVID:
Nonono -- we haven't forgotten your article, or anything; it's just
NAFS(k)uriren that is just as usually late as Fredrik Ekman already guessed.
I'm afraid we don't know just when it'll be out either... but your article has
been translated by know (by NAFS(k) president Olof Siverbo, no less!) and a
couple of weeks ago my brother and co-editor Jakob had a meeting with a few
relevant people (like film collector Robert Andersson, e.g.) picking out
illustrations and such...
I.e. -- Work In Progress! Do Not Disturb!! Detour Next 7 Miles!!! Shhh --
Workforce Asleep!!!! Etc and so on...
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Nonono -- we haven't forgotten your article, or anything; it's just
NAFS(k)uriren that is just as usually late as Fredrik Ekman already guessed.
I'm afraid we don't know just when it'll be out either... but your article has
been translated by know (by NAFS(k) president Olof Siverbo, no less!) and a
couple of weeks ago my brother and co-editor Jakob had a meeting with a few
relevant people (like film collector Robert Andersson, e.g.) picking out
illustrations and such...
I.e. -- Work In Progress! Do Not Disturb!! Detour Next 7 Miles!!! Shhh --
Workforce Asleep!!!! Etc and so on...
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #488.
Message 70 -
1994-11-11 at 17:42:11
Dear Folks,
Karl Eric mentioned having a Sunday page with Ellsworth the
raven, in which Goofy was shown first buying him from a pet shop. I
guess that means that the one I have must be the character's second
appearance (it is certainly Ellsworth's first meeting with MM).
So in Sweden Ellsworth speaks in black dialect?! From the VERY
few English appearances I've seen, it's plain he just speaks normal
English in the United States. (That quote that ended yesterday's
letter was from his second appearance.)
I recollect Ellsworth being specifically designated as a
raven. Either that or a magpie. But he ISN'T a crow, that I know
for sure.
And I know what gets you so bollixed up when it comes to this
character, Don! I like Ellsworth, but his mere status in the Disney
universe throws logic out the window. I've had the same problem with
my own comic 'universe' -- in my "Soft Comics," which have always
taken place in two cities -- Softville and Monkburg, both in the
county of San Simian. (I once stated that San Simian county was in
Calisota, by the way...) Softville's inhabitants are usually human
beings and Monkburg's, animals, but I've never been consistent,
dammit! To make matters worse, the leading resident of Monkburg is
Monk the Monkey; I gave him a pet guinea pig named Daisy right at
the start, and in no time at all, Daisy basically developed into
Monk's ward, speaking perfect English and standing on her hind legs.
Yet she still relies on Monk for food, which he gets from a
pet-store-style sack! Any of you who have had me send copies of
these comics to you now know that this confuses ME as it must confuse
YOU (and as much as, in some alternate universe, it probably confuses
Monk! ;-)
Mark Mayerson found a Rosa Scrooge for 25 cents?! Disney
comics aren't widely collected in the States, but I never see Rosa
back issues priced the same as the others, any more. Gladstones are
also hard to find, in general; the shops that DO do a lot of Disney
business and would like to have more Gladstones can't get them. When
I look at the CBG, I don't see wholesalers selling "first series"
Gladstones in bulk either. Hence the problem. Does Russ Cochran
have something to do with this? I thought he was selling first
series Gladstones!
A few more bits of news. The 6-pg. Mickey that I mentioned
with DD and US in it that was made by Esteban is coded D88064, and
appears in Monthly 11/1988. And that 1970s Rota 1st Andold Wild Duck
story is coded I/AT 128. It appeared in Germany's Egmont monthly
7/1979; I imagine it hit other non-Italian places around the same
time. Andold has no little Duck on his helmet in this story, BTW.
The story is called "The Good Old Days" and is 17 pages long.
The Egmont weekly for Mickey's 60th had, in Germany, a
supplement that reprinted Sunday strips for 32/4/3 (that's April 3),
32/5/22, 32/5/29, and 32/1/31 (in that order). Very nicely
reproduced -- a much better job than in the Oberon Sunday-Albums
(where the printing is rather muddy on some of these same strips).
The rest of the comic is made of fair-to-middling Murry material.
DANG, what a contrast. Those early Sundays have a great MM with a
brilliant personality. >Sigh<
Don: In a recent digest you griped about crossovers between
Ducks and feature characters in the old Dells. I have my own views
on Mickey, and I'm willing to OCCASIONALLY show those mice on
Grandma's farm, but damned if, just because I mention a hypothetical
story in which Donald is paired with Bongo and the Big Bad Wolf, I'm
willing to MAKE such a story, myself!
Until tomorrow, that's all, folks.
David <9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"I wonder what he'd think of me if I was a regular bird, and
couldn't talk! Hmmm..."
gen
Karl Eric mentioned having a Sunday page with Ellsworth the
raven, in which Goofy was shown first buying him from a pet shop. I
guess that means that the one I have must be the character's second
appearance (it is certainly Ellsworth's first meeting with MM).
So in Sweden Ellsworth speaks in black dialect?! From the VERY
few English appearances I've seen, it's plain he just speaks normal
English in the United States. (That quote that ended yesterday's
letter was from his second appearance.)
I recollect Ellsworth being specifically designated as a
raven. Either that or a magpie. But he ISN'T a crow, that I know
for sure.
And I know what gets you so bollixed up when it comes to this
character, Don! I like Ellsworth, but his mere status in the Disney
universe throws logic out the window. I've had the same problem with
my own comic 'universe' -- in my "Soft Comics," which have always
taken place in two cities -- Softville and Monkburg, both in the
county of San Simian. (I once stated that San Simian county was in
Calisota, by the way...) Softville's inhabitants are usually human
beings and Monkburg's, animals, but I've never been consistent,
dammit! To make matters worse, the leading resident of Monkburg is
Monk the Monkey; I gave him a pet guinea pig named Daisy right at
the start, and in no time at all, Daisy basically developed into
Monk's ward, speaking perfect English and standing on her hind legs.
Yet she still relies on Monk for food, which he gets from a
pet-store-style sack! Any of you who have had me send copies of
these comics to you now know that this confuses ME as it must confuse
YOU (and as much as, in some alternate universe, it probably confuses
Monk! ;-)
Mark Mayerson found a Rosa Scrooge for 25 cents?! Disney
comics aren't widely collected in the States, but I never see Rosa
back issues priced the same as the others, any more. Gladstones are
also hard to find, in general; the shops that DO do a lot of Disney
business and would like to have more Gladstones can't get them. When
I look at the CBG, I don't see wholesalers selling "first series"
Gladstones in bulk either. Hence the problem. Does Russ Cochran
have something to do with this? I thought he was selling first
series Gladstones!
A few more bits of news. The 6-pg. Mickey that I mentioned
with DD and US in it that was made by Esteban is coded D88064, and
appears in Monthly 11/1988. And that 1970s Rota 1st Andold Wild Duck
story is coded I/AT 128. It appeared in Germany's Egmont monthly
7/1979; I imagine it hit other non-Italian places around the same
time. Andold has no little Duck on his helmet in this story, BTW.
The story is called "The Good Old Days" and is 17 pages long.
The Egmont weekly for Mickey's 60th had, in Germany, a
supplement that reprinted Sunday strips for 32/4/3 (that's April 3),
32/5/22, 32/5/29, and 32/1/31 (in that order). Very nicely
reproduced -- a much better job than in the Oberon Sunday-Albums
(where the printing is rather muddy on some of these same strips).
The rest of the comic is made of fair-to-middling Murry material.
DANG, what a contrast. Those early Sundays have a great MM with a
brilliant personality. >Sigh<
Don: In a recent digest you griped about crossovers between
Ducks and feature characters in the old Dells. I have my own views
on Mickey, and I'm willing to OCCASIONALLY show those mice on
Grandma's farm, but damned if, just because I mention a hypothetical
story in which Donald is paired with Bongo and the Big Bad Wolf, I'm
willing to MAKE such a story, myself!
Until tomorrow, that's all, folks.
David <9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"I wonder what he'd think of me if I was a regular bird, and
couldn't talk! Hmmm..."
gen
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #489.
Message 71 -
1994-11-12 at 06:44:42
BEV:
I've heard of all those other names you mention being used for
both genders, but still never Beverly. But I like "odd" names... you
just caught me off guard. I'd use Keno as my first name (which it IS) if
Don didn't make a nicer signature.
I don't know anything about "The Lost Maps of Atlantis" and not
much more about "The Lost Charts of Columbus". I just finished it before
my trip through Scandanavia, so I don't even know when Egmont might use
it, much less Gladstone (which must await its European use).
MATTIAS:
Oh, hey, here's a new bit of bizniz in our discussion about my
ignoring the line in Barks' first Money Bin story that says its a "new"
building in 1952 or whenever it was. As I said my reasons for having the
Bin in place in 1902 was that I figgered Barks just happened to come up
with the idea in '52 as he slowly developed his new $crooge character,
and Barks seemed to afterward treat the Bin as something which had been
around for a long while. I was checking some fact in an old $crooge
story today and noticed $crooge, in the back-up tale in U$ #15, saying
these lines in reference to his Bin and its site:
"I bought this land when there was nothing within 50 miles but a
fort on the Tulebug River. I built my fortune here and watched the city
grow up...around me. But here on my 10 acres, I never change. My Bin and
my ground...stay the same. My Money Bin and I have been here (on the
hill) for SEVENTY YEARS."
Those lines are from 1956, placing the construction of the Bin
in 1886! Now I'm in trouble for having the Bin 16 years too NEW instead
of 50 years too old. All I could do was have the Bin built as soon as
$crooge could have first been in Duckburg... 1902. But as I always say,
this doesn't make my version right -- it's just my reasons for doing it
my particular way.
DAVE R.:
30 pages...50 pages. So these are all digest stories you've
written. I believe that makes it very unlikely they'll ever be seen in
America. Gladstone would need to do major reassembling of all the
panels which would make them too costly to use, plus the art would be
rather "tiny" and would be in the Italian style (Harvey Comics-like)
which makes it incompatible with the Dell look. Right?
I've heard of all those other names you mention being used for
both genders, but still never Beverly. But I like "odd" names... you
just caught me off guard. I'd use Keno as my first name (which it IS) if
Don didn't make a nicer signature.
I don't know anything about "The Lost Maps of Atlantis" and not
much more about "The Lost Charts of Columbus". I just finished it before
my trip through Scandanavia, so I don't even know when Egmont might use
it, much less Gladstone (which must await its European use).
MATTIAS:
Oh, hey, here's a new bit of bizniz in our discussion about my
ignoring the line in Barks' first Money Bin story that says its a "new"
building in 1952 or whenever it was. As I said my reasons for having the
Bin in place in 1902 was that I figgered Barks just happened to come up
with the idea in '52 as he slowly developed his new $crooge character,
and Barks seemed to afterward treat the Bin as something which had been
around for a long while. I was checking some fact in an old $crooge
story today and noticed $crooge, in the back-up tale in U$ #15, saying
these lines in reference to his Bin and its site:
"I bought this land when there was nothing within 50 miles but a
fort on the Tulebug River. I built my fortune here and watched the city
grow up...around me. But here on my 10 acres, I never change. My Bin and
my ground...stay the same. My Money Bin and I have been here (on the
hill) for SEVENTY YEARS."
Those lines are from 1956, placing the construction of the Bin
in 1886! Now I'm in trouble for having the Bin 16 years too NEW instead
of 50 years too old. All I could do was have the Bin built as soon as
$crooge could have first been in Duckburg... 1902. But as I always say,
this doesn't make my version right -- it's just my reasons for doing it
my particular way.
DAVE R.:
30 pages...50 pages. So these are all digest stories you've
written. I believe that makes it very unlikely they'll ever be seen in
America. Gladstone would need to do major reassembling of all the
panels which would make them too costly to use, plus the art would be
rather "tiny" and would be in the Italian style (Harvey Comics-like)
which makes it incompatible with the Dell look. Right?
Tallmo
Ellsworth the raven
Message 72 -
1994-11-12 at 19:20:11
David (and all others):
MM is actually present in this first strip with Ellsworth. The panels in
that story are as follows:
1. Goofy walks down the street, no work, no money.
2. He looks at the window of a pet shop, where there is a sale.
3. Goofy buys Ellswoth, who, sitting on the counter, points his black wing
and remarks: "Are you going to sell me to that hillbilly, eh?"
4. Goofy goes home with the bird. Ellsworth (when he sees Goofy's house):
"Of all the rich people in the world, I end up at your place."
5. They enter Goofy's living room. Ellsworth: "What a dump! When are we eating?"
6. At the kitchen table. Ellsworth (angrily waving his wings): "A dry
cracker, is that all?". Goofy: "Our bad luck will change tomorrow!"
7. Bedtime. Goofy in bed, the bird on a table at his side. Goofy: "Don't
worry old boy, our bad luck will...zzzzz...." Ellsworth: "And I got here
from South America for THIS!"
8. The same evening. Goofy's phone rings downstairs. Ellsworth answers.
Voice in phone: "This is 'Try if you can', the radio quiz show, is this
Goofy on 21 Bum Street?" Ellsworth: "So what - what's the big deal?"
9. Closeup of phone and bird: Voice: This is our million dollar question.
What is the quintillionth root of x times z? You'll win a million if youre
answer is correct!" Ellsworth: "Easy! It's, let's see, four million divided
by z^4!"
10. Goofy lives in a luxurous house sitting on a terrace with a glass of
lemonade (probably) and a sack of money beside him. A very shocked MM
enters: "What's happened?!" Goofy: "Well, it's just luck I guess!"
Ellsworth, who is standing in beret and plaid coat on top of the brick wall
that surrounds the house, talking to some admiring girl birds, points back
with his "thumb": "LUCK - says he!"
----
So, he doesn't speak some sort of black Swedish, if there was such a thing,
but I just thought he had some kind of street smartness, that originally
might have been some black idiom. Now after closer reading I also see he's
from South America!
Karl-Erik
MM is actually present in this first strip with Ellsworth. The panels in
that story are as follows:
1. Goofy walks down the street, no work, no money.
2. He looks at the window of a pet shop, where there is a sale.
3. Goofy buys Ellswoth, who, sitting on the counter, points his black wing
and remarks: "Are you going to sell me to that hillbilly, eh?"
4. Goofy goes home with the bird. Ellsworth (when he sees Goofy's house):
"Of all the rich people in the world, I end up at your place."
5. They enter Goofy's living room. Ellsworth: "What a dump! When are we eating?"
6. At the kitchen table. Ellsworth (angrily waving his wings): "A dry
cracker, is that all?". Goofy: "Our bad luck will change tomorrow!"
7. Bedtime. Goofy in bed, the bird on a table at his side. Goofy: "Don't
worry old boy, our bad luck will...zzzzz...." Ellsworth: "And I got here
from South America for THIS!"
8. The same evening. Goofy's phone rings downstairs. Ellsworth answers.
Voice in phone: "This is 'Try if you can', the radio quiz show, is this
Goofy on 21 Bum Street?" Ellsworth: "So what - what's the big deal?"
9. Closeup of phone and bird: Voice: This is our million dollar question.
What is the quintillionth root of x times z? You'll win a million if youre
answer is correct!" Ellsworth: "Easy! It's, let's see, four million divided
by z^4!"
10. Goofy lives in a luxurous house sitting on a terrace with a glass of
lemonade (probably) and a sack of money beside him. A very shocked MM
enters: "What's happened?!" Goofy: "Well, it's just luck I guess!"
Ellsworth, who is standing in beret and plaid coat on top of the brick wall
that surrounds the house, talking to some admiring girl birds, points back
with his "thumb": "LUCK - says he!"
----
So, he doesn't speak some sort of black Swedish, if there was such a thing,
but I just thought he had some kind of street smartness, that originally
might have been some black idiom. Now after closer reading I also see he's
from South America!
Karl-Erik
9475609
(David Gerstein) Various things
Message 73 -
1994-11-13 at 18:30:06
Dear Folks,
A few bits of news. First: I just got this week's British MM and
discovered that the Donald 'temper' story IS the same one that I was
told about at the San Diego Con. So we now know: D93520 = "Temper
Fugit." I don't really know who wrote it. Was it you, Dave? Certainly
a VERY GOOD story.
As predicted, the MM "farm" story is in this issue. D93477: "The
Poultry Pilferer." In the long run, I don't think this artist's Mickey
is so bad (although I DON'T like how prominent he makes Mickey's shirt
-- it ruins any hope of body language), but his Goofy has an oversized
chin and pupils so small that his eyes lack expression. >Sigh< This is
a really BAD story!
The recent Wolf tale which will almost certainly never see
American publication is "Wild West Wolf" (D93168). Swell art, rather
detailed; looks like Carl Buettner imitating Don Rosa! But it's not.
The issue ends with a Goofy one-pager, "The Dentist Visit"
(D93070). Tello art, maybe; his Goofy looks more Feriolian now, but
his dogface incidental characters give it all away.
The inside back-cover shows the cover of next week's issue. This
points out that a MM story titled "Art Attack" (???) leads off the
issue, followed by a Donald story about his being an animal lover (exact
title not given).
KARL-ERIC: Since MM doesn't really have a "formal" meeting with
Ellsworth in the Goofy strip you mentioned, I'm assuming the one I've
seen is the immediate week after. I can lay the issue to rest just now,
and sooner or later ask my Dad for the date of that strip.
JORGEN: The answer to why Donald's car's engine looks different
than it should, for his make of car, is that (as pointed out in the
Barks tale "Volcano Valley") the car has had some parts replaced as they
wore out, with those from other cars. I believe that the car is said to
have a "1920 Mixwell engine" -- there must be a car brand called Maxwell
which this spoofs, but I don't know it.
IMPORTANT NEWS!
MY TRIP THROUGH EUROPE will tentatively land me in FABIO'S neck of
the woods on Friday 16 December, or Saturday the 17th (depends on when I
can get a ticket); I can stay until the 20th when I'll get a train to
Germany. Then, if it's okay with HARRY FLUKS I'll come in to Amsterdam
via train on January 4th, stay for a little over two days, and leave via
plane for Edinburgh on January 7th. More detailed information next
week. I need both Fabio and Harry to send me their PHONE NUMBERS --
this is vitally important!
Also, Fabio, I understand COMPLETELY what's holding up "Colossus
of the Nile" -- it's perfectly okay! I'm nearly as busy as you are, I
think (although you'll never know it from my letters; these, and dates
with my girlfriend, are my only release these days!). I really like
this Scarpa story, by the way. My only real problem with it is that
Page 3 has nothing to do with the rest of the story, and in a way
trivializes it. Anyone else who's read this story in a jumbo-book have
any comments? (If you hadn't guessed, Fabio and I are preparing the
English version of this much-requested Scarpa story, for Gladstone,
right now -- should appear Fall 1995.)
That's all for today, folks.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
A few bits of news. First: I just got this week's British MM and
discovered that the Donald 'temper' story IS the same one that I was
told about at the San Diego Con. So we now know: D93520 = "Temper
Fugit." I don't really know who wrote it. Was it you, Dave? Certainly
a VERY GOOD story.
As predicted, the MM "farm" story is in this issue. D93477: "The
Poultry Pilferer." In the long run, I don't think this artist's Mickey
is so bad (although I DON'T like how prominent he makes Mickey's shirt
-- it ruins any hope of body language), but his Goofy has an oversized
chin and pupils so small that his eyes lack expression. >Sigh< This is
a really BAD story!
The recent Wolf tale which will almost certainly never see
American publication is "Wild West Wolf" (D93168). Swell art, rather
detailed; looks like Carl Buettner imitating Don Rosa! But it's not.
The issue ends with a Goofy one-pager, "The Dentist Visit"
(D93070). Tello art, maybe; his Goofy looks more Feriolian now, but
his dogface incidental characters give it all away.
The inside back-cover shows the cover of next week's issue. This
points out that a MM story titled "Art Attack" (???) leads off the
issue, followed by a Donald story about his being an animal lover (exact
title not given).
KARL-ERIC: Since MM doesn't really have a "formal" meeting with
Ellsworth in the Goofy strip you mentioned, I'm assuming the one I've
seen is the immediate week after. I can lay the issue to rest just now,
and sooner or later ask my Dad for the date of that strip.
JORGEN: The answer to why Donald's car's engine looks different
than it should, for his make of car, is that (as pointed out in the
Barks tale "Volcano Valley") the car has had some parts replaced as they
wore out, with those from other cars. I believe that the car is said to
have a "1920 Mixwell engine" -- there must be a car brand called Maxwell
which this spoofs, but I don't know it.
IMPORTANT NEWS!
MY TRIP THROUGH EUROPE will tentatively land me in FABIO'S neck of
the woods on Friday 16 December, or Saturday the 17th (depends on when I
can get a ticket); I can stay until the 20th when I'll get a train to
Germany. Then, if it's okay with HARRY FLUKS I'll come in to Amsterdam
via train on January 4th, stay for a little over two days, and leave via
plane for Edinburgh on January 7th. More detailed information next
week. I need both Fabio and Harry to send me their PHONE NUMBERS --
this is vitally important!
Also, Fabio, I understand COMPLETELY what's holding up "Colossus
of the Nile" -- it's perfectly okay! I'm nearly as busy as you are, I
think (although you'll never know it from my letters; these, and dates
with my girlfriend, are my only release these days!). I really like
this Scarpa story, by the way. My only real problem with it is that
Page 3 has nothing to do with the rest of the story, and in a way
trivializes it. Anyone else who's read this story in a jumbo-book have
any comments? (If you hadn't guessed, Fabio and I are preparing the
English version of this much-requested Scarpa story, for Gladstone,
right now -- should appear Fall 1995.)
That's all for today, folks.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Dwight Decker
(David Gerstein) Various things
Message 74 -
1994-11-13 at 19:07:25
In reply to David Gerstein's latest missive...
> The issue ends with a Goofy one-pager, "The Dentist Visit"
> (D93070). Tello art, maybe; his Goofy looks more Feriolian now, but
> his dogface incidental characters give it all away.
>
Hey, I dialogued that story! I thought it was pretty clever when I saw
it in rough-sketch form, though I forget now who wrote it. There was
some term -- the word for the dentist's workroom or inner office --
that I didn't know the exact English equivalent of, but as luck would
have it, I had an appointment with my own dentist about then, so I asked
him. There is an English word for it, but it's technical and only a
dentist would know it (and I promptly forgot), so I wrote around it.
The dentist thought the strip was pretty funny, too. Goofy is sitting
in a dentist's waiting room and listening to a conversation going on
inside the inner office, and it's mostly his increasingly horrified
reactions to what he's hearing. "Gasp! All that rot and decay! It's all
got to come out!" GRRRIIINNNNDDDD! RRRIIPPPP! "Hand me the drill!"
SKRRREEEE! In the last panel, Goofy has fainted dead away on the waiting
room floor, but coming out of the inner office are the dentist and a
plumber, who is carrying a dislodged sink. The editor liked the name
I gave the dentist for the sign on his door, "Dr. Drillem N. Fillem,"
which I personally thought was a bit too silly--but if the editor liked
it, then what I can say?
Couple of more things while I'm here: the Italian Mickey Mouse "which-way"
story I translated has been delivered to Gladstone. The 38-page story will
appear sometime next year in a 64-page issue of Donald & Mickey, I'm told.
I'm off to Europe this Friday (the 18th). Disney fan and (Email removed)
regular Mattias Hallin saw my earlier announcement of my forthcoming trip and
kindly offered to show me around Lund and Malmo on the one day I'll be in
Sweden. I also plan to drop by the Egmont offices in Copenhagen and make the
usual pest of myself, and of course hit the comics shops like Fantask and
Kazoom, and the record shops and the book stores and the video boutiques...
--Dwight Decker
(Just a Mickey Mouse translator)
> The issue ends with a Goofy one-pager, "The Dentist Visit"
> (D93070). Tello art, maybe; his Goofy looks more Feriolian now, but
> his dogface incidental characters give it all away.
>
Hey, I dialogued that story! I thought it was pretty clever when I saw
it in rough-sketch form, though I forget now who wrote it. There was
some term -- the word for the dentist's workroom or inner office --
that I didn't know the exact English equivalent of, but as luck would
have it, I had an appointment with my own dentist about then, so I asked
him. There is an English word for it, but it's technical and only a
dentist would know it (and I promptly forgot), so I wrote around it.
The dentist thought the strip was pretty funny, too. Goofy is sitting
in a dentist's waiting room and listening to a conversation going on
inside the inner office, and it's mostly his increasingly horrified
reactions to what he's hearing. "Gasp! All that rot and decay! It's all
got to come out!" GRRRIIINNNNDDDD! RRRIIPPPP! "Hand me the drill!"
SKRRREEEE! In the last panel, Goofy has fainted dead away on the waiting
room floor, but coming out of the inner office are the dentist and a
plumber, who is carrying a dislodged sink. The editor liked the name
I gave the dentist for the sign on his door, "Dr. Drillem N. Fillem,"
which I personally thought was a bit too silly--but if the editor liked
it, then what I can say?
Couple of more things while I'm here: the Italian Mickey Mouse "which-way"
story I translated has been delivered to Gladstone. The 38-page story will
appear sometime next year in a 64-page issue of Donald & Mickey, I'm told.
I'm off to Europe this Friday (the 18th). Disney fan and (Email removed)
regular Mattias Hallin saw my earlier announcement of my forthcoming trip and
kindly offered to show me around Lund and Malmo on the one day I'll be in
Sweden. I also plan to drop by the Egmont offices in Copenhagen and make the
usual pest of myself, and of course hit the comics shops like Fantask and
Kazoom, and the record shops and the book stores and the video boutiques...
--Dwight Decker
(Just a Mickey Mouse translator)
9475609
(David Gerstein) Various things
Message 75 -
1994-11-13 at 19:46:14
Dear Dwight,
???!?? What the heck? I got your message -- this, after you
tried to send me one last week, and it didn't work... I'll be
double-doggoned if I know what's rotten in the state of -- er, well, in
the country of Scotland.
In the British edition, the dentist's name became "Drillem N.
PULLEM" -- don't ask me why. Your version's better.
Good luck with all of the recent translations. I'm reminded of
the old poem, "Betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter clean."
Whatever dialogues I haven't done for Gladstone, you seem to have done,
when it comes to what they're publishing next year.
That's all for now, Dwight. Enjoy your trip to Europe.
Your friend, David
???!?? What the heck? I got your message -- this, after you
tried to send me one last week, and it didn't work... I'll be
double-doggoned if I know what's rotten in the state of -- er, well, in
the country of Scotland.
In the British edition, the dentist's name became "Drillem N.
PULLEM" -- don't ask me why. Your version's better.
Good luck with all of the recent translations. I'm reminded of
the old poem, "Betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter clean."
Whatever dialogues I haven't done for Gladstone, you seem to have done,
when it comes to what they're publishing next year.
That's all for now, Dwight. Enjoy your trip to Europe.
Your friend, David