Carey asked about a story with a rebuilt airplane which Jorgen found
his Norwegian books but couldn't give a code for. Carey's original
question was almost a month ago so I hope you're still interested!
The story Jorgen found was "Rainbow Island Rendezvous" from Donald
Duck #41, and it hasn't been reprinted in the USA since that original
publication in 1955.
Jorgen said it was 18 pages, but both in DD 41 and in it's Swedish
publication it was 22 pages, so if you didn't miscount they cut some
pages in Norway.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Author
Topic: 199601
(219 messages)
Per Starback
Strobl story with rebuilt airplane
Message 16 -
1996-01-03 at 06:03:02
Arthur De Wolf
Australian "Disney Adventures"
Message 17 -
1996-01-03 at 15:21:05
Hi!
Greg (Wright) from Australia sent me a copy of the Australian
"Disney Adventures". It is a real Disney comic from Australia. It is
published by Pacific Publications and The Walt Disney Company Australia. It
contains articles about new movies and computer games, but also has
Disney-comic-stories in it (with credits)!
The reason I'm telling this is not only that I thought it would
be interesting to know that Australia had it's own Disney comics, while
everyone thought that Gladstone's license covered all of Australia and
New Zealand. But I also wondered if it is possible that this Walt Disney
Company Australia makes it's own stories. The stories in the comic are coded
for example JZ 212-1, JZ 095-1, KZ 1790. Just like the stories in the Disney
comics from Disney Comics. I have almost all Disney comics from Disney
Comics, but I've never seen the stories in this magazine before, and they
aren't in Harry's database either. Does anyone know more about this?
DON:
I'm sorry to ask you so many times about what stories you're working
on and planning to do. The problem is, that I'm just too curious. I will not
ask it so many times again, okay?
Greetings,
Arthur
Greg (Wright) from Australia sent me a copy of the Australian
"Disney Adventures". It is a real Disney comic from Australia. It is
published by Pacific Publications and The Walt Disney Company Australia. It
contains articles about new movies and computer games, but also has
Disney-comic-stories in it (with credits)!
The reason I'm telling this is not only that I thought it would
be interesting to know that Australia had it's own Disney comics, while
everyone thought that Gladstone's license covered all of Australia and
New Zealand. But I also wondered if it is possible that this Walt Disney
Company Australia makes it's own stories. The stories in the comic are coded
for example JZ 212-1, JZ 095-1, KZ 1790. Just like the stories in the Disney
comics from Disney Comics. I have almost all Disney comics from Disney
Comics, but I've never seen the stories in this magazine before, and they
aren't in Harry's database either. Does anyone know more about this?
DON:
I'm sorry to ask you so many times about what stories you're working
on and planning to do. The problem is, that I'm just too curious. I will not
ask it so many times again, okay?
Greetings,
Arthur
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Miscellanea, advertising, etc...
Message 18 -
1996-01-03 at 16:10:19
FABIO:
> Why not to look at the numbers of rows per page? Three rows is surely
> Italian...
Not really. Some Egmont stories are also made with three rows, but only about
five a month.
I know I shouldn't include a copy of the face in you new years greetings, so
I'll just say that it's really cute.
Happy new year,
Jacob
--
Have you played with your LEGO today?
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #2
**********************************
> Why not to look at the numbers of rows per page? Three rows is surely
> Italian...
Not really. Some Egmont stories are also made with three rows, but only about
five a month.
I know I shouldn't include a copy of the face in you new years greetings, so
I'll just say that it's really cute.
Happy new year,
Jacob
--
Have you played with your LEGO today?
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #2
**********************************
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Logo for the WWW pages
Message 19 -
1996-01-03 at 16:16:56
PER:
> By the way, I think it would be nice to have some sort of small logo
> in the corner of all the Disney comics WWW pages for greater uniformity.
> Nothing fancy I think, and rather small (= not distracting from the
> contents of the pages and quick to transfer).
What about a sailors cap or a red (butterfly) tie?
There are a lot of details of various details from different Disney characters
in some recent Jumbobøger. I'll have a look there, to get some ideas.
Gott nýggjár,
Jacob
--
A Faroese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
> By the way, I think it would be nice to have some sort of small logo
> in the corner of all the Disney comics WWW pages for greater uniformity.
> Nothing fancy I think, and rather small (= not distracting from the
> contents of the pages and quick to transfer).
What about a sailors cap or a red (butterfly) tie?
There are a lot of details of various details from different Disney characters
in some recent Jumbobøger. I'll have a look there, to get some ideas.
Gott nýggjár,
Jacob
--
A Faroese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:(Email removed)", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
--
LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) AQ+++ BV-- #++ S LS++ A-/+ YB72m
Deckerd
We make the news (unfortunately)
Message 20 -
1996-01-03 at 17:42:24
On Jan 2, 9:45pm, Wilmer Rivers wrote:
> Subject: We make the news (unfortunately)
> From the Comics Buyers Guide
> number 1156, dated January 12, 1996:
> "Krig I Andeby" or "War in Duckburg" is the headline of a feature
> story
> in the Sept. 30 issue of the Denmark newspaper Ekstra Bladet. The
> article, written by Hans Bjerregaard based on Internet postings about
> Don Rosa's difficulties with Disney, Carl Barks, and his Danish
> publisher, Egmont, was highly critical of Rosa.
>
> Rosa is not directly quoted in the piece, which is drawn entirely
from
> Internet postings attributed to Rosa.
>
I saw that mention in the Buyer's Guide, and was puzzled by the
line "Rosa is not directly quoted in the piece." It's practically
_all_ Rosa quotes. They're out of context, however, and Bjerrgaard
didn't add background information to explain the circumstances.
Really shoddy journalism. It's a pure attack on Rosa and so personally
vicious that I quite fail to understand why the Ekstra Bladet ran the
thing. The article is written from such a Disney-fan "insider"
standpoint that you'd really have to be tuned into the comics scene
to even understand what it was getting at.
--Dwight
> Subject: We make the news (unfortunately)
> From the Comics Buyers Guide
> number 1156, dated January 12, 1996:
> "Krig I Andeby" or "War in Duckburg" is the headline of a feature
> story
> in the Sept. 30 issue of the Denmark newspaper Ekstra Bladet. The
> article, written by Hans Bjerregaard based on Internet postings about
> Don Rosa's difficulties with Disney, Carl Barks, and his Danish
> publisher, Egmont, was highly critical of Rosa.
>
> Rosa is not directly quoted in the piece, which is drawn entirely
from
> Internet postings attributed to Rosa.
>
I saw that mention in the Buyer's Guide, and was puzzled by the
line "Rosa is not directly quoted in the piece." It's practically
_all_ Rosa quotes. They're out of context, however, and Bjerrgaard
didn't add background information to explain the circumstances.
Really shoddy journalism. It's a pure attack on Rosa and so personally
vicious that I quite fail to understand why the Ekstra Bladet ran the
thing. The article is written from such a Disney-fan "insider"
standpoint that you'd really have to be tuned into the comics scene
to even understand what it was getting at.
--Dwight
Carey Furlong - Tdoc
Strobl story with rebuilt airplane
Message 21 -
1996-01-03 at 18:03:06
> The story Jorgen found was "Rainbow Island Rendezvous" from Donald
> Duck #41, and it hasn't been reprinted in the USA since that original
> publication in 1955.
Thanks very much to both Per and Jorgen for their replies to my
original question. Now I can start looking for DD41.
Thanks, again!
Carey
-
"...I can stare for a thousand years."
----------------- Cat People ---------
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; Primary e-mail: (Email removed)
Secondary email: (Email removed); Prodigy TXST34A;
Compu$erve 70531,2753; Opinions expressed are mine and not those of EDS
> Duck #41, and it hasn't been reprinted in the USA since that original
> publication in 1955.
Thanks very much to both Per and Jorgen for their replies to my
original question. Now I can start looking for DD41.
Thanks, again!
Carey
-
"...I can stare for a thousand years."
----------------- Cat People ---------
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; Primary e-mail: (Email removed)
Secondary email: (Email removed); Prodigy TXST34A;
Compu$erve 70531,2753; Opinions expressed are mine and not those of EDS
Deckerd
Micky Maus
Message 22 -
1996-01-04 at 01:07:11
As some of you will recall, I went to Europe this past
November, where I spent entirely too much money on comic
books and such things. One of my purchases was a hardcover
book (well, laminated cardboard covers, really) reprinting
the first four issues of the German "Micky Maus" comic book
from 1951. The date on the book is 1988 and it seems to
have been published in connection with Mickey's 60th
anniversary. There's even a text foreword, allegedly written
byMickey himself, that manages to give a fairly accurate
account of the Mouse's creation and subsequent history,
mentioning Floyd Gottfredson and Paul Murry, despite the
cuteness of it being in first person. How such an old book
happened to be lying around at a big bookstore like the
Thalia in Hamburg, I don't know, but I snapped it up.
In those days, Micky Maus was monthly, the color printing
(assuming it's an accurate reproduction) was fair to awful,
and the word balloons (along with signs and sound effects)
were typed in a sans-serif typeface that strikes me as
pretty ugly. Say what you want about Whizbang, but if
skilled hand-letterers aren't available or cost too much,
it's still a lot better than ugly type. And Erika Fuchs
(a name that means a great deal to our German friends) was
already on the job as head editor.
Interestingly, there are some efforts to "localize" the
stories. Confronted with a talking dog (as if he isn't one
himself!), Goofy's first reaction isn't amazement that the
pooch can talk, but amazement that, "Hey, he knows my uncle in
Frankfurt!"
Anyway, the odd thing for me was the names of Huey, Dewey, &
Louie. Now, they're called Tick, Trick, and Track, but in these
1951 comics they're Rip, Rap, and Rup. Which, incidentally, are
still their names in Denmark. Anybody on the ML know the story
here?
--Dwight Decker
November, where I spent entirely too much money on comic
books and such things. One of my purchases was a hardcover
book (well, laminated cardboard covers, really) reprinting
the first four issues of the German "Micky Maus" comic book
from 1951. The date on the book is 1988 and it seems to
have been published in connection with Mickey's 60th
anniversary. There's even a text foreword, allegedly written
byMickey himself, that manages to give a fairly accurate
account of the Mouse's creation and subsequent history,
mentioning Floyd Gottfredson and Paul Murry, despite the
cuteness of it being in first person. How such an old book
happened to be lying around at a big bookstore like the
Thalia in Hamburg, I don't know, but I snapped it up.
In those days, Micky Maus was monthly, the color printing
(assuming it's an accurate reproduction) was fair to awful,
and the word balloons (along with signs and sound effects)
were typed in a sans-serif typeface that strikes me as
pretty ugly. Say what you want about Whizbang, but if
skilled hand-letterers aren't available or cost too much,
it's still a lot better than ugly type. And Erika Fuchs
(a name that means a great deal to our German friends) was
already on the job as head editor.
Interestingly, there are some efforts to "localize" the
stories. Confronted with a talking dog (as if he isn't one
himself!), Goofy's first reaction isn't amazement that the
pooch can talk, but amazement that, "Hey, he knows my uncle in
Frankfurt!"
Anyway, the odd thing for me was the names of Huey, Dewey, &
Louie. Now, they're called Tick, Trick, and Track, but in these
1951 comics they're Rip, Rap, and Rup. Which, incidentally, are
still their names in Denmark. Anybody on the ML know the story
here?
--Dwight Decker
Cdoberman
Barks index codes
Message 23 -
1996-01-04 at 02:15:39
I just downloaded the Carl Barks index, and, wow, am I impressed! I knew
there was a lot I hadn't seen, but it'll be *years* before I read (or find)
all of those stories. Thanks to all who put this index together (Who exactly
did all of this work?).
I could figure out most of the codes, but I couldn't figure out the
following: LICUG, DCA and GCA. Forgive me if it's obvious.
-- Wes
there was a lot I hadn't seen, but it'll be *years* before I read (or find)
all of those stories. Thanks to all who put this index together (Who exactly
did all of this work?).
I could figure out most of the codes, but I couldn't figure out the
following: LICUG, DCA and GCA. Forgive me if it's obvious.
-- Wes
Don Rosa
dcomics Digest V96 #2
Message 24 -
1996-01-04 at 07:38:00
MIKE:
Thanks for the translation of that article in AA. I hope to get that
issue in the mail in about a month.
Yes, I was tentatively invited back to Finland in 1997 when they'll
probably reprint my "Lo$" in a hardback to commemorate $crooge's 50th
anniversary. I'd guess that would be late in the year since $crooge first
appeared at Christmas (1947).
What story will appear next in the Egmont issues? I never know
anything about their schedule. I know there's still a "gag" story laying
around somewhere, that "An Eye for Detail", but I wasn't very comfortable
with that one and don't wonder that they're delaying it. Yes, "The Once and
Future Duck" might be next. Gosh, there aren't many in the bin right now. I
travelled so much in 1995 that I didn't get as many stories done last year.
I may have the same problem in '97, but we'll see.
FABIO:
I was delighted to see you reappear on these pages. Your first
message was stuffed with great info and then topped off with that New Year
graphic! Was that a Doug Adams face?
Happy New Year back at you and absolutely don't have a cow or
something similar!
Thanks for the translation of that article in AA. I hope to get that
issue in the mail in about a month.
Yes, I was tentatively invited back to Finland in 1997 when they'll
probably reprint my "Lo$" in a hardback to commemorate $crooge's 50th
anniversary. I'd guess that would be late in the year since $crooge first
appeared at Christmas (1947).
What story will appear next in the Egmont issues? I never know
anything about their schedule. I know there's still a "gag" story laying
around somewhere, that "An Eye for Detail", but I wasn't very comfortable
with that one and don't wonder that they're delaying it. Yes, "The Once and
Future Duck" might be next. Gosh, there aren't many in the bin right now. I
travelled so much in 1995 that I didn't get as many stories done last year.
I may have the same problem in '97, but we'll see.
FABIO:
I was delighted to see you reappear on these pages. Your first
message was stuffed with great info and then topped off with that New Year
graphic! Was that a Doug Adams face?
Happy New Year back at you and absolutely don't have a cow or
something similar!
Fluks
AW: Barks index codes
Message 25 -
1996-01-04 at 19:29:44
Wes:
> I just downloaded the Carl Barks index, [...]
> Thanks to all who put this index together (Who exactly did all of this work?).
Thanks for your thanks. A lot of people on this list have participated
in the Disney comics Database, of which the Carl Barks index is only
a small part. Look in the file "indexers.legend" for some names.
I am the coordinator of the Database, so if you see errors or want
to contribute, please contact me.
BTW: I have been working on a better version of the Danish and Swedish
indexes. Should be ready in a few weeks. And then we can start adding
Finnish and Norwegian indexes...
> I could figure out most of the codes, but I couldn't figure out the
> following: LICUG, DCA and GCA.
Yes, the codes of reprints should be mentioned as a legend in the file.
But at the moment, the explanations of these codes are in other files.
LICUG = The Carl Barks Library of Uncle Scrooge gags in Color (or something
like that - the Gladstone albums)
DCA = Disney Comics Album ("graphic novels" from Disney Comics)
GCA = Gladstone Comic Album.
--Harry.
> I just downloaded the Carl Barks index, [...]
> Thanks to all who put this index together (Who exactly did all of this work?).
Thanks for your thanks. A lot of people on this list have participated
in the Disney comics Database, of which the Carl Barks index is only
a small part. Look in the file "indexers.legend" for some names.
I am the coordinator of the Database, so if you see errors or want
to contribute, please contact me.
BTW: I have been working on a better version of the Danish and Swedish
indexes. Should be ready in a few weeks. And then we can start adding
Finnish and Norwegian indexes...
> I could figure out most of the codes, but I couldn't figure out the
> following: LICUG, DCA and GCA.
Yes, the codes of reprints should be mentioned as a legend in the file.
But at the moment, the explanations of these codes are in other files.
LICUG = The Carl Barks Library of Uncle Scrooge gags in Color (or something
like that - the Gladstone albums)
DCA = Disney Comics Album ("graphic novels" from Disney Comics)
GCA = Gladstone Comic Album.
--Harry.
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 26 -
1996-01-04 at 19:48:20
Don mentioned an article in a Danish newspaper recently about...
Well, I'll just bounce this story back across the Atlantic once more
and leave it to you to guess what it's about.
--- Begin transcript ---
"SENSATION IN DUCKBURG Dec. 13.th 1995
By JACOB RUBIN
Correspondent for Jyllands-Posten, Rio de Janeiro.
* A quite ordinary Wednesday. Headlines on the foreign page of Brazil's
biggest newspaper: Donald Duck's mother and father revealed.
Undeniably a real scoop.
The touchy and unsporting comicbook star's ancestral background has
been kept secret for more than 50 years. Now the newspapers correspondant
in Italy can publish the true identity of his ancestors.
The source is Don Rosa, head artist for the Disney studios, who on a
comic book convention in Italy recently, and quite unexpectantly,
revealed the names of Donald Duck's mother, father and grandfather.
Don Rosa's proofs are old, never published drawings and notes by
Disney artist Carl Banks, who for decades was Donald Duck's spiritual
leader.
Break with traditions
The revelation is sensational. Not only is it the first time that a
Walt Disney character gets a carnal offspring. Don Rosa's openmouthedness
also breaks with Disney traditions about team spirit and discretion.
Donald Duck researchers and donaldists (including fetischists and
'afficionados') are outraged.
The newspaper's correspondent reported from the convention that Don
Rosa was boohed out and for a long time had to defend himself against
verbal attacks from fans.
'I am not an iconoclast (destroyer of religious and other symbols, ed.).
I did it in honor of Walt,' Don Rosa defended himself.
It is said that Walt Disney for personal reasons wished Donald Duck's
family tree to be kept secret. The father of the worlds most popular
comic book character was for his whole adult life in doubt about his
own identity and suspected himself to be an adoptive child.
History will know that in the investigation after his real mother
he recieved help from FBI chief Edgar Hoover in return for reporting
on 'communist infiltration' in the American artist community.
But that's irrelevant.
Don Rosa is on the fourth year writing the saga of all the characters
from the Donald Duck comic books, including the more unknown such as
Little Helper, Mad Madam Mim, van Duckefeller, and Gus Goose. In the
Disney studios' archives he stumbled onto Carl Banks' material.
The most surprising of the revelation is perhaps that Donald Duck
was a 2.nd generation immigrant. His parents were born on our
latitudes, and many Danish and European comic book characters could
thus, without knowing it, be related to the famous duck.
And the identity of Donald Ducks parents a.o.? That you'll have to wait
a little to read about on the Back Cover Page."
--- End of transcript ---
As you can see, Don, at least they spelt YOUR name right.
But what IS the meaning of 'I-did-it-for-(uncle)-Walt'???
I'm just a little curious to see what names the article will
give, translated through Italian and Portugese to Danish.
Does anyone have a spare copy of U$ 286 for me? I believe it's one of
the few of Don's stories I don't have in English, and a gaping hole like
that in my Lo$ collection gives me vertigo!
I can offer "Scandinavian Only" Rosa covers and stories, like "The Lost
Charts of Columbus", and "War of the Wendigos".
I don't have the script for that last one either. !@#$%.
Happy New Year to all you from all of me!
Ole Reichstein Nielsen, c/o (Email removed)
"Bold were we, and they called us three the "Unholy Trinity";
There was Ole Olson, the sailor Swede, and the Dago Kid and me.
We were the discards of the pack, the foreloopers of Unrest,
Reckless spirits of fierce revolt in the ferment of the West."
"The Ballad of the Northern Lights"
("Ballads of a Cheechako" by Robert W. Service)
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #3
**********************************
Well, I'll just bounce this story back across the Atlantic once more
and leave it to you to guess what it's about.
--- Begin transcript ---
"SENSATION IN DUCKBURG Dec. 13.th 1995
By JACOB RUBIN
Correspondent for Jyllands-Posten, Rio de Janeiro.
* A quite ordinary Wednesday. Headlines on the foreign page of Brazil's
biggest newspaper: Donald Duck's mother and father revealed.
Undeniably a real scoop.
The touchy and unsporting comicbook star's ancestral background has
been kept secret for more than 50 years. Now the newspapers correspondant
in Italy can publish the true identity of his ancestors.
The source is Don Rosa, head artist for the Disney studios, who on a
comic book convention in Italy recently, and quite unexpectantly,
revealed the names of Donald Duck's mother, father and grandfather.
Don Rosa's proofs are old, never published drawings and notes by
Disney artist Carl Banks, who for decades was Donald Duck's spiritual
leader.
Break with traditions
The revelation is sensational. Not only is it the first time that a
Walt Disney character gets a carnal offspring. Don Rosa's openmouthedness
also breaks with Disney traditions about team spirit and discretion.
Donald Duck researchers and donaldists (including fetischists and
'afficionados') are outraged.
The newspaper's correspondent reported from the convention that Don
Rosa was boohed out and for a long time had to defend himself against
verbal attacks from fans.
'I am not an iconoclast (destroyer of religious and other symbols, ed.).
I did it in honor of Walt,' Don Rosa defended himself.
It is said that Walt Disney for personal reasons wished Donald Duck's
family tree to be kept secret. The father of the worlds most popular
comic book character was for his whole adult life in doubt about his
own identity and suspected himself to be an adoptive child.
History will know that in the investigation after his real mother
he recieved help from FBI chief Edgar Hoover in return for reporting
on 'communist infiltration' in the American artist community.
But that's irrelevant.
Don Rosa is on the fourth year writing the saga of all the characters
from the Donald Duck comic books, including the more unknown such as
Little Helper, Mad Madam Mim, van Duckefeller, and Gus Goose. In the
Disney studios' archives he stumbled onto Carl Banks' material.
The most surprising of the revelation is perhaps that Donald Duck
was a 2.nd generation immigrant. His parents were born on our
latitudes, and many Danish and European comic book characters could
thus, without knowing it, be related to the famous duck.
And the identity of Donald Ducks parents a.o.? That you'll have to wait
a little to read about on the Back Cover Page."
--- End of transcript ---
As you can see, Don, at least they spelt YOUR name right.
But what IS the meaning of 'I-did-it-for-(uncle)-Walt'???
I'm just a little curious to see what names the article will
give, translated through Italian and Portugese to Danish.
Does anyone have a spare copy of U$ 286 for me? I believe it's one of
the few of Don's stories I don't have in English, and a gaping hole like
that in my Lo$ collection gives me vertigo!
I can offer "Scandinavian Only" Rosa covers and stories, like "The Lost
Charts of Columbus", and "War of the Wendigos".
I don't have the script for that last one either. !@#$%.
Happy New Year to all you from all of me!
Ole Reichstein Nielsen, c/o (Email removed)
"Bold were we, and they called us three the "Unholy Trinity";
There was Ole Olson, the sailor Swede, and the Dago Kid and me.
We were the discards of the pack, the foreloopers of Unrest,
Reckless spirits of fierce revolt in the ferment of the West."
"The Ballad of the Northern Lights"
("Ballads of a Cheechako" by Robert W. Service)
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #3
**********************************
Cord Wiljes
Micky Maus
Message 27 -
1996-01-04 at 22:01:29
DWIGHT:
The German "Micky Maus" ist still done in typeface today!
The initial reason to use typeface instead of hand-lettering
was not that it is cheaper (quite the contrary - it cost much
more because it was done with those terribly expensive cels
rubbing each letter separately), but because Ehapa believed
that this way their comics looked more like literature and
less like the 'trash' comics were believed to be in those days.
In fact (if memory serves well) the first Micky Maus had a
full page explaining to parents how educational Disney comics
are.
Ehapa has two separate divisions, which you might call "Sales to
Newsstands" and "Direct sales". While the (usually more expensive)
direct editions like the German CBL or the LO$ and Van Horn editions
are handlettered, all issues and albums for newsstands have machine
lettering. I do not know if this is done out of nostalgia or sinply
because it is much cheaper and easier today.
There will be a *VERY* expensive (around DM 200=$ 130) reprint of the
complete second year of Micky Maus in a few months.
The "Rip, Rap & Rup" instead of "Tick, Trick & Track" for HD&L
in the first issue was indeed (as you correctly suspected) due
to the fact that Ehapa got the Printing Cels from Denmark's Egmont.
Grandma 'Dorette' Duck also had another name initially.
CORD
The German "Micky Maus" ist still done in typeface today!
The initial reason to use typeface instead of hand-lettering
was not that it is cheaper (quite the contrary - it cost much
more because it was done with those terribly expensive cels
rubbing each letter separately), but because Ehapa believed
that this way their comics looked more like literature and
less like the 'trash' comics were believed to be in those days.
In fact (if memory serves well) the first Micky Maus had a
full page explaining to parents how educational Disney comics
are.
Ehapa has two separate divisions, which you might call "Sales to
Newsstands" and "Direct sales". While the (usually more expensive)
direct editions like the German CBL or the LO$ and Van Horn editions
are handlettered, all issues and albums for newsstands have machine
lettering. I do not know if this is done out of nostalgia or sinply
because it is much cheaper and easier today.
There will be a *VERY* expensive (around DM 200=$ 130) reprint of the
complete second year of Micky Maus in a few months.
The "Rip, Rap & Rup" instead of "Tick, Trick & Track" for HD&L
in the first issue was indeed (as you correctly suspected) due
to the fact that Ehapa got the Printing Cels from Denmark's Egmont.
Grandma 'Dorette' Duck also had another name initially.
CORD
Georges Helm
Rip Rap Rup
Message 28 -
1996-01-04 at 22:02:42
>Anyway, the odd thing for me was the names of Huey, Dewey, &
>Louie. Now, they're called Tick, Trick, and Track, but in these
>1951 comics they're Rip, Rap, and Rup. Which, incidentally, are
>still their names in Denmark. Anybody on the ML know the story
>here?
>
>--Dwight Decker
In Micky Maus 1/1951 (the first Micky Maus in Germany) WDC 95 had been
published. The German publishers simply had omitted to replace the names
Rip Rap & Rup on the sign in panel 6 page 3 after having done the
translation. The translation was from the American to German, but the print
templates came from Denmark. This is because the Ehapa-Verlag is a German
daughter of Gutenberghus (the Danish publisher of Disney comics).
Gutenberghus had the opportunity to publish in Germany in 1951 as no German
publisher had got licences from Disney at that time. All the stories were
newly colored by Gutenberghus.
In Micky Maus 1/1951 there is a text of 2 pages where Rip Rap & Rup are
correctly mentioned as Tick Trick & Track. This issue is the only one where
this mistake happened.
Georges
Georges Helm, MdD, IRdD
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
compuserve: 100517,3622
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>Louie. Now, they're called Tick, Trick, and Track, but in these
>1951 comics they're Rip, Rap, and Rup. Which, incidentally, are
>still their names in Denmark. Anybody on the ML know the story
>here?
>
>--Dwight Decker
In Micky Maus 1/1951 (the first Micky Maus in Germany) WDC 95 had been
published. The German publishers simply had omitted to replace the names
Rip Rap & Rup on the sign in panel 6 page 3 after having done the
translation. The translation was from the American to German, but the print
templates came from Denmark. This is because the Ehapa-Verlag is a German
daughter of Gutenberghus (the Danish publisher of Disney comics).
Gutenberghus had the opportunity to publish in Germany in 1951 as no German
publisher had got licences from Disney at that time. All the stories were
newly colored by Gutenberghus.
In Micky Maus 1/1951 there is a text of 2 pages where Rip Rap & Rup are
correctly mentioned as Tick Trick & Track. This issue is the only one where
this mistake happened.
Georges
Georges Helm, MdD, IRdD
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
compuserve: 100517,3622
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Georges_Helm/
David A Gerstein
dcomics Digest V96 #3
Message 29 -
1996-01-05 at 00:04:39
DWIGHT:
Actually, HDL got their now-common German name right after the
first ten-pager ("Gladstone Returns," WDC 95) was translated for the
first issue of MICKY MAUS. If you look at the editorial feature that
follows the story, it names all the characters who are going to appear
in the title, and it's there that HDL are first called Tick, Trick,
and Track.
If any others among the first four issues give HDL their
Danish names anywhere, I must have overlooked it (I have the same
volume you describe).
ROC:
The Danish article you reprinted sure has a lot of baloney in
it. I'm not sure if it was meant as an attack on Rosa, but it seems
to get some of that in there.
I'll present some criticism of it -- please don't think I'm
talking about anything YOU said, RoC!
"Not only is [the LO$] the first time that a Walt Disney
character gets a carnal offspring..."
Eh??! Mickey's sister Amelia Fieldmouse (nee Mouse) is shown
when Morty and Ferdie are first brought in (1932). How about Li'l Bad
Wolf, whose father is shown, and whose direct grandparents also
appear? And, of course, dozens of Disney feature films have
characters whose parents are shown (although, notably, only one seems
to be highlighted most of the time).
"Don Rosa's openmouthedness also breaks with Disney traditions
about team spirit and discretion."
Eh? What? Discretion? It's being discreet to hide the facts
about someone's parents? Besides, Marcia Blitz's 1978 book DONALD
DUCK describes Barks' family tree to some extent, revealing the names
of Donald's parents for all the world to see (although not detailing
their relationship to Scrooge).
"It is said that Walt Disney for personal reasons wished
Donald Duck's family tree to be kept secret."
This is malarkey! If Disney didn't want it known, why didn't
the Disney company take action when Blitz published that book? This
assertion is highly dubious with no proof to back it up. The
information about Disney perhaps being illegitimate is taken, BTW,
from "Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince," a book from last year
which, while of course presenting Disney as not perhaps the idealized
person he's been said to be, is so inflammatory as to pick up any
rumor, no matter how impossible it might be, about WD and claim that
it's a fact. Any information from this book is highly suspect.
"Don Rosa is on the fourth year writing the saga of all the
characters from the Donald Duck comic books..."
If the article means the LO$, that was finished two years ago
and took about two years to create. If it's referring to Don's whole
career, he started nine years ago.
Also, Rosa has never used Mad Madam Mim in his stories. The
only Duck stories to use Madam Mim were drawn by Tony Strobl; I'm not
sure who wrote them.
"Donald Duck was a 2.nd generation immigrant. His parents were
born on our latitudes..."
Errmmmm.... only one of them (Hortense).
Finally:
"[At] the convention ... Don Rosa was boohed out and for a
long time had to defend himself against verbal attacks from fans."
This never happened. What a lot of utter garbage.
I reiterate:
MUCH OF DONALD DUCK'S BARKS-ORIGINATED FAMILY TREE WAS
PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN A BESTSELLING 1978 COFFEE-TABLE BOOK. IT
HAS NEVER BEEN "SECRET," AND HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE FOR
EIGHTEEN YEARS!!!
David Gerstein, irritated by clueless newspaper reporting and
stupid, unfounded slander
<(Email removed)>
Actually, HDL got their now-common German name right after the
first ten-pager ("Gladstone Returns," WDC 95) was translated for the
first issue of MICKY MAUS. If you look at the editorial feature that
follows the story, it names all the characters who are going to appear
in the title, and it's there that HDL are first called Tick, Trick,
and Track.
If any others among the first four issues give HDL their
Danish names anywhere, I must have overlooked it (I have the same
volume you describe).
ROC:
The Danish article you reprinted sure has a lot of baloney in
it. I'm not sure if it was meant as an attack on Rosa, but it seems
to get some of that in there.
I'll present some criticism of it -- please don't think I'm
talking about anything YOU said, RoC!
"Not only is [the LO$] the first time that a Walt Disney
character gets a carnal offspring..."
Eh??! Mickey's sister Amelia Fieldmouse (nee Mouse) is shown
when Morty and Ferdie are first brought in (1932). How about Li'l Bad
Wolf, whose father is shown, and whose direct grandparents also
appear? And, of course, dozens of Disney feature films have
characters whose parents are shown (although, notably, only one seems
to be highlighted most of the time).
"Don Rosa's openmouthedness also breaks with Disney traditions
about team spirit and discretion."
Eh? What? Discretion? It's being discreet to hide the facts
about someone's parents? Besides, Marcia Blitz's 1978 book DONALD
DUCK describes Barks' family tree to some extent, revealing the names
of Donald's parents for all the world to see (although not detailing
their relationship to Scrooge).
"It is said that Walt Disney for personal reasons wished
Donald Duck's family tree to be kept secret."
This is malarkey! If Disney didn't want it known, why didn't
the Disney company take action when Blitz published that book? This
assertion is highly dubious with no proof to back it up. The
information about Disney perhaps being illegitimate is taken, BTW,
from "Walt Disney: Hollywood's Dark Prince," a book from last year
which, while of course presenting Disney as not perhaps the idealized
person he's been said to be, is so inflammatory as to pick up any
rumor, no matter how impossible it might be, about WD and claim that
it's a fact. Any information from this book is highly suspect.
"Don Rosa is on the fourth year writing the saga of all the
characters from the Donald Duck comic books..."
If the article means the LO$, that was finished two years ago
and took about two years to create. If it's referring to Don's whole
career, he started nine years ago.
Also, Rosa has never used Mad Madam Mim in his stories. The
only Duck stories to use Madam Mim were drawn by Tony Strobl; I'm not
sure who wrote them.
"Donald Duck was a 2.nd generation immigrant. His parents were
born on our latitudes..."
Errmmmm.... only one of them (Hortense).
Finally:
"[At] the convention ... Don Rosa was boohed out and for a
long time had to defend himself against verbal attacks from fans."
This never happened. What a lot of utter garbage.
I reiterate:
MUCH OF DONALD DUCK'S BARKS-ORIGINATED FAMILY TREE WAS
PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN A BESTSELLING 1978 COFFEE-TABLE BOOK. IT
HAS NEVER BEEN "SECRET," AND HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE FOR
EIGHTEEN YEARS!!!
David Gerstein, irritated by clueless newspaper reporting and
stupid, unfounded slander
<(Email removed)>
Deckerd
Rip Rap Rup
Message 30 -
1996-01-05 at 01:09:25
On Jan 4, 9:02pm, Georges Helm wrote:
> This is because the Ehapa-Verlag is a German
> daughter of Gutenberghus (the Danish publisher of Disney comics).
> Gutenberghus had the opportunity to publish in Germany in 1951
> as no German publisher had got licences from Disney at that time.
Okay, that makes sense. I know the Danish Disney comics started
earlier than the German. I have a recent facsimile edition of
an issue of Anders And, the Danish Donald Duck comic, from 1949,
for example. Why the Germans were so long getting Disney comics
of their own after the war is an interesting question, since they
were occupied in part by American soldiers who would have been
bringing in lots of English-language editions, but I'd guess that
with the dislocations of the war (Germany was in a lot worse
shape than Denmark), it might have taken a few years of economic
rebuilding before anyone could think about anything so frivolous
as funnybooks.
--Dwight
> This is because the Ehapa-Verlag is a German
> daughter of Gutenberghus (the Danish publisher of Disney comics).
> Gutenberghus had the opportunity to publish in Germany in 1951
> as no German publisher had got licences from Disney at that time.
Okay, that makes sense. I know the Danish Disney comics started
earlier than the German. I have a recent facsimile edition of
an issue of Anders And, the Danish Donald Duck comic, from 1949,
for example. Why the Germans were so long getting Disney comics
of their own after the war is an interesting question, since they
were occupied in part by American soldiers who would have been
bringing in lots of English-language editions, but I'd guess that
with the dislocations of the war (Germany was in a lot worse
shape than Denmark), it might have taken a few years of economic
rebuilding before anyone could think about anything so frivolous
as funnybooks.
--Dwight