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Deckerd
On Jan 4, 10:01pm, Cord Wiljes wrote:

> The German "Micky Maus" ist still done in typeface today!

I've heard Germans actually say they prefer the typeset word
balloons over hand-lettering because the typeface looks
"clearer" and is easier to read.

> The initial reason to use typeface instead of hand-lettering
> was not that it is cheaper (quite the contrary - it cost much
> more because it was done with those terribly expensive cels
> rubbing each letter separately), but because Ehapa believed
> that this way their comics looked more like literature and
> less like the 'trash' comics were believed to be in those days.

Hmm. I always assumed that the balloon texts were just typed
because it was faster and easier and cheaper, or else competent
hand-letterers simply were not to be found in a country with
few original comics. Lettering is a precise and difficult art
for highly skilled professionals, and I've seen a few too many
European comics that looked like they were lettered by the kid
in the mail room. Some of the comic albums I brought back from
Germany on this last trip, published within the last year, still
show the most amazing lettering botch-ups. A Swedish Archie comic
I bought in '94 was lettered with Whizbang and the improvement is
unmistakable. Some of the best hand-lettering I've seen on the
Continent has been in Dutch comics, where they use both upper
and lower case letters instead of all caps, and it's a very
attractive look I wish American comics would emulate. (Seems
to me I've read that Dutch lettering style has been made into
a computer font now...)

> In fact (if memory serves well) the first Micky Maus had a
> full page explaining to parents how educational Disney comics
> are.

I recall reading that Erika Fuchs, the chief editor and translator
of the German Disney comics, was a teacher by profession who was
very conscious of her "pedagogical" function. These days, parents
should be happy their kids are reading _anything._

--Dwight Decker
Frank Fabian
DWIGHT:
The German book you mentioned reprinting the 1951 "Micky Maus" issues was
only published after the individual issues had already been reprinted and
sold as some sort of gimmick with the then-current issues. The German
publisher, Ehapa Verlag, reprinted all four 1951 issues and - I think - two
or three of the 1952 issues as well before they stopped this some years ago.
A bit later the the four 1951 issues were published again in the said
hard-bound form for bookstore distribution.
As for the names Rip, Rap and Rup: to my knowledge they are called that way
only in the *first* (September) 1951 issue, not in the later ones (if my
memory doesn't deceive me). The reason for this is simply that the Ehapa
Verlag (Ehapa = *E*gmont * *H.* *P*etersen) was and is in the possession of
the Danish publisher called then Gutenberghus, nowadays Egmont (called so
after their founder or longtime owner). So for the first German issue of
Micky Maus they most likely took a Danish Anders And issue and modeled it
after that, using some of the Danish names as well before finding suitable
German ones.
Everything clear now? If not, don't hesitate to ask again.
Best regards, Frank Fabian
Don Rosa
ARTHUR:
I didn't mean to imply that I minded you asking what I was doing --
I just wanted you to know that my projects are completed and change so
slowly that you'll get very repetitive and boring answers if you don't space
your queries further apart.
I can tell you that the short Magica "gag" story that I'm working on
now is turning out rawthuh well, which is something you'll hear me say of my
own stories about once every 4 or 5 years. This is odd -- the 3 times I've
used Magica in a gag story, it's seemed to me to be my 3 best such stories
("On a Silver Platter", "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" and this "A
Matter of Some Gravity". And Magica isn't even quite as "dear" to my heart
as she might be, since she came into Barks' universe after I strayed off
from reading them as a teenager. My theory is that a good Magica hex is an
ideal subject for a "gag" story -- it's one good, solid idea that you can
hang lots of physical stunts and idea-twists on, and can easilly last 10-15
pages at full tilt. Maybe...?

OLE "ROC":
Thanks for the translation! What did you find inaccurate about that
article? Why, I still recall the day, only 4 years ago, while I was employed
at the Disney Studio in Burbank as their Head Artist, and I was rummaging
around in the top-secret Disney Archives and stumbled upon the papers left
by Donald Duck's spiritual leader (and Studio chaplain), Carl Banks. As you
know, that's when I decided to start a career writing about Mad Madam Mim.
But even though people seem to think they recall that comics
appeared several years ago right there in Denmark which dealt with Donald's
parents, the truth is that I never said a word about the secrets I found in
the Disney Arhives until I was at that Italian convention. Yes, I was
constantly booed by throngs of invisible mutes anywhere I was, but whenever
I didn't hear such booing I would always protest that I did it "for the
honor of Walt" because I was so sympathetic about his problems in locating
his parents (I stumbled across this while investigating the secret FBI
Archives while working in Washington as J.Edgar Hoover's Head Artist).
Didn't the story also mention anything about Walt being in that deepfreeze
in the back room of the Disney Archives?
Here is an article written by a Danish newspaper, based on Danish
comics, discussed (not published) in Italy, reported on in Brazil, then that
report reported on in Denmark. I wonder if that Danish writer ever had the
wild thought of calling up the Danish comics office to check a few facts?
Where exactly do such wild bits of misinformation enter into this trail of
reporting? A few mistakes in Italy, a few more in Brazil, a few more in
Denmark -- mistakes in reporting already mistaken facts? Wow -- what a
snowball! But it's obvious that in many instances (and I can't say which
writer is responsible or thay all are equally), these can't be the result of
errors but of a writer deciding to create some facts of his own to make his
article more interesting. But that's still different than the writing of an
article that contains purposeful and malicious "misinformation" from
specific sources, so no harm done... in either case, actually.
But it makes life interesting, eh? Well, back to work on writing
about Mad Madam Mim.
Fluks
Dwight:

> Some of the best hand-lettering I've seen on the
> Continent has been in Dutch comics, where they use both upper
> and lower case letters instead of all caps

You're not referring to Dutch *Disney* comics, are you? These have been
computer lettered since 1985 (using a "hand-written" font).

Maybe you mean the Tintin translations, which come from Belgium. They
had very good hand lettering, but in the recent reprints of the albums,
they re-translated and re-lettered the stories, using an uninspired
(computer) font.

--Harry.

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Arthur De Wolf
DON:
"I just wanted you to know that my projects are completed and change
so slowly that you'll get very repetitive and boring answers if you don't
space your queries further apart."
Somehow I never get bored by the stories told by my favorite Duck- artist! ;-) I always find your explanations and descriptions of your
work extremely interesting.
You make me curious about the Magica-"gag"-story, you're working on.
I'm glad you can tell that it's turning out so well! I only read your
"On a Silver Platter" for the first time last week. I thought it was great.
I was wondering about something. In "OaSP", Magica has the plate lying
with it's face up, when Scrooge lays the cushion with his First Dime on it.
Wouldn't the dime fall back down immediately, after it arrives on the plate
of Magica? (Okay, it's another dumb question. Please forgive me!)

C'ya,

Arthur
Mike Pohjola
DON:
Do you have any idea if they'll actually be printing the two
un-shown episodes of Lo$ (#1 and #2) in the hard-back edition? I think
it would then be some 209 pages long if one wouldn't count "ODaDaD",
"THoY" and that will-be Pison Bluff-story plus the extra pages in
Lo$#12. The "GotLL" hard-back was only 174 pages long.
I re-read some old messages and noticed, that there was also a
28 page version of "LCoC" and I wondered where might the two additional
pages take places in? Would they have more of Gladstone (who disppeared
after the beginning) or what?
What will "An Eye for Detail" be like? Donald? Scrooge? 10pg? 12? 16?
Do you think they will only publish your new stories? That they
will never print for example "The Son of the Sun" in Finland? (which I,
btw, am looking forward to see. A lot.)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
BBranvold
I recently had the pleasure of visiting with Don Rosa at his home in
Kentucky.
Somehow I thought I should share this experience with all of you.
First, he has a really nice wife. I had met her once before in San Diego in
1988 or 87
when Gladstone had a big booth. It was one of the few times she has
accompanied Don to shows. She now talks about going to Europe with him this
coming summer.
As a school teacher she usually has summers free. So if you guys in Europe
are thinking of having Don over this summer, send an invite to his wife too.
Secondly, his house is nestled in a rural area outside of Louisville, on 22
acres. The map Don drew for me was much like his comics, but it got me there.
The landscape
is perfect for Don's lifestyle and privacy. He feeds birds and takes long
walks. He has 3 dogs inside and 2 birds.
It was especially enjoyable to me, to see his studio and just sit down with
he and his wife and talk. I went to the flea-market with him on my way home,
but he found all the treasures. It was a great time and of course way too
short. Thanks Don and Ann, for your hospitality. --Barry--
Cdoberman
Arthur (to Don)

> You make me curious about the Magica-"gag"-story, you're working on.
>I'm glad you can tell that it's turning out so well!

If we know anything about Don's self-evaluation, we'll probably hear him
change his opinion, criticize this story and warn us that he's afraid we
won't like it before we ever get a chance to read it. But we all know better
than to believe him when he criticizes his work.

Torsten:

>So, any suggestions for what you all would like to see reproduced as a
>poster?

I would love to see early Dell covers offered as inexpensive posters. I have
a poster of Goofy Adventures #1 (Disney), and I pretty much keep it hidden,
I'm so ashamed of it. But early Dell Barks covers would be GREAT!

-- Wes Andersen

"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman

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Dan Shane
BARRY:

I'm terribly sorry that I scarfed up the only copy of UNCLE $CROOGE THE
LEMONADE KING at the flea market. As a way of possibly making it up to
you, I would like to ask if you have the little Whitman Tell-a-Tale
book, UNCLE $CROOGE THE WINNER. If not, I have a perfectly acceptable
extra copy that you are welcome to at no cost. I always feel bad when
I'm at a flea market or a similar event and wind up acquiring a
hard-sought-after item that another collector would also like to have.

The only way I can ever think of covering that sin is by freely
distributing extra goodies I come up with, just as Mike did that nice
little $crooge bank for me.

We're all in this together.
Don Rosa
ARTHUR:
Oh, I don't mind analyzing stories... I analyze the tiniest details
of my own stories, and I'm flattered that a reader would ever take the time
to do likewise. But in some instances, there's always a sneaky solution to
the questions, and I'll take advantage of that and ignore the problem.
If the Dime fell into $crooge's silver platter and popped up through
Magica's, why wouldn't it then famm back through Magica's and start a
perpetual motion? Maybe Magica was ready for it somehow, and grabbed it? Or
did I ever show that things could "fall" through the platter in both
directions? Perhaps they fell in one direction and had to be thrust through
from Magica's side. There's lots of ways to wiggle around such "problems".
Somebody recently came up with a better question. They said my "Lost
Charts of Columbus" story didn't make sense because Charlemagne's Code of
whatchacallit would not have pertained to anything that happened prior to
its passage, so any discoverer of America prior to Olaf the Blue would have
had no claim. Well... I could say that the Code of Discovery was passed as
being retroactive? But, no, the real answer is that I was so busy with the
other elements of the plot that that simple idea just plain never dawned on
me! I guess that story DOESN'T make sense. Drat!!!

MIKE:
Certainly any hardback collection of the "Lo$" in Finland would
contain the first two chapters -- are you saying that they were never
printed in Finland??? I don't think I was aware of that!
Now I don't think such collections should include "ODaDaD", as that
is really and truly NOT a chapter in that series. Perhaps I could add a page
to chapter 1 which shows how $crooge's sister got the Dime from Howard
Rockerduck, but I would never have Magica involved as that part of the story
was wiped out of "history" after she set events back on their original
course. And "HotY" is not really part of the series -- it was done for a
different purpose, and deal with any "Barksian facts". But the "Pizen Bluff"
episode should definitely be added, if and when I complete it. And that
would make a book of 213-230 pages or even longer.
When did I ever say there was a 28 page version of "tLCoC"? Perhaps
the original script was 28 pages before I condensed it. But I soon forget
such details. There may have been several sequences that I omitted, but it
would have been before I drew it.
I don't know what Finland plans as contents for those future
hardbacks. I wince at seeing those old stories in print, due to the art. I
am in touch with them now on the Internet (Helsinki Media are very
techno-minded folks, which is great) and perhaps I'll see if I can inquire;
but I normally strive to NEVER meddle in such matters, even by presuming to
ask publishers questions about my work. I know I have long-since lost all
rights to any of it, and I don't want them to ever think that I thought
otherwise.

BARRY:
I didn't know you were going to give a report on your visit! You
should see the place at this very moment! We're marrooned here under a foot
of snow. We're as cut off from the world as if we were at the North Pole. (I
LOVE IT!) That's another thing that makes this computer-communication so
wonderful. I can't talk to my neighbor 1/4 mile away, but I just
communicated with Leonardo Gori in Italy!
And... it's 25 acres. You chopped off 3 acres! (For Europeans, I
think that's somewhere around 10-12 hectares?
Neal Kinney
PLEASE GUYS:
I have been reading this mailing list for some time now but I still have
trouble with some of the abbreviations used for story titles. I have ODaDaD
wired now but THoY, GotLL and LCoC escape me. When you use abbreviations in
a message, would it be possible to state the actual full title of the story
first at least once? Those of us who are easily confused by news message
such as "FEMA charges OES slack in DSR response"* will greatly appreciate it.

* Those living in earthquake country will recognize this statement as
"Federal Emergency Management Agency charges (California) Office of
Emergency Services slack in Damage Survey Report response."
David A Gerstein
DONALD DUCK AND MICKEY MOUSE 4
is out this week with Egmont's MM "Treasure of Shark Reef,"
drawn by Esteban and including Eli Squinch. EVERYBODY -- BUY THIS!
It's up to us, the fans, to make sure that Egmont MM stories outsell
the Jaime Diaz Goofy stories in DDMM. If each Gladstone reader buys
TWO copies of each Egmont-MM issue (as I plan to do, for now) to
encourage this trend, the Egmont stories may get a secure spot in
Gladstone's line. DDMM 4-6 will all contain Egmont MM stories. We
should all buy these to make sure the trend continues... and that
stories like Gilbert's "Plastic Mickey" make it to America (that one's
not scheduled yet).

WES:
How did you get a poster to the cover of Goofy Advs. #1? Did
Disney themselves sell them? Bob Foster never told me about it, and I
never saw such posters in my local shops.
I'd like to have posters to the covers of "Lost in the Andes,"
"The Golden Christmas Tree," and the covers of WDC&S 7, 15, 20, 23,
25, 31, 34, 37, and 44 just to name a few. The cover of #44, where DD
gains stock for his second-hand shoe shop by costuming as a cat and
howling on a fence, is particularly great.

ARE THE MINI-LITHOGRAPHS
that Gemstone is offering, just resold Gladstone stuff? I've
noticed that Gemstone seems to often buy and sell backstock of what
Gladstone produced say, two years previous (like the mini-lithographs
Torsten described them as now distributing).
I figure the calendars must be something that the Carl Barks
Studio is producing under license. I'm guessing they use
Gladstone-colored one-pagers and such?
But is Gladstone responsible in some way for the big posters
Gemstone's offering, illustrating lithos from Another Rainbow's
series?

David Gerstein
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Pekka Frobozz
DON:
You asked: 'When did I ever say there was a 28 page version of "tLCoC"?'

Well, you didn't.

You had said (Oct 19, 1995): '"The Lost Charts of Columbus" is 24 pages. But
if they are putting it in a separate supplement issue, that means they could
use a 28 page story as well. But I don't know this sort of thing, what they
can use and what they can't.'

I misread the above that you had a 28 page version of the tLCoC too. I guess
I grumbled to the Editor-in-chief of Aku Ankka for nothing :)
Oh well, I still won't resubscribe Aku Ankka!

//Pekka Timonen ((Email removed))
Harry Fluks
JOHN L.:

Your story "No Time for Nappin'" (D 92568) was published in Holland last week
(issue 1, 1996). I just discovered it was yours, when I indexed the issue.

I must say I *liked* the story. I especially laughed at the clock factory
scene. The animals stuff was a bit boring, though (I never like it when
Donald is in conflict with animals). But overall it's a good story!

Somehow, it seems Americans (like you) make better Egmont scripts
than most English and Danish scripters Egmont uses. Maybe that's because
Americans have no tradition of making boring stories? 8-)

There was one thing on the last page I didn't get: Donald has bumped
to a tree, a squirrel comes out of the tree and sniffs. Donald
then says "AAARGH!" (Dutch translation 8-). What's the point here?

--Harry.
Cdoberman
David:

"How did you get a poster to the cover of Goofy Advs. #1? Did
Disney themselves sell them?"

It was for sale at Lee's Comics. I have no idea who distributed it.

-- Wes
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