Happy birthday is in order to Todd Klein, who celebrated one on Sunday!
-Augie, social calendar in hand
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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "An army of ninjas versus a Mortal Kombat player
(Email removed) - who think Emperor Shakhan is an orangutan."
(Email removed) - "Bet on the boy." -Impulse #11 [Mark Waid]
Author
Topic: 199601
(219 messages)
Augie De Blieck Jr
And lest I forget Todd...
Message 196 -
1996-01-30 at 05:02:41
Kathy Fitzpatrick
Junkville Journal
Message 197 -
1996-01-30 at 05:54:07
Imagination and creativity are vital to staying young, IMHO!
Sounds like those comic executives had been to too many "quality control"
meetings. Either their job has sucked out their remaining creativity or
they had none to begin with!
It was when we turned 30 that my husband and I started reading comics again
on a regular basis. We owned a business then and had little time to read
and got the best value for our time out of comics. It is the best way we
know of to recharge for the next day, maybe escape from the cares and the
worries of today, and (sorry!) always to remember that there is "Always
Another Rainbow".
Kathy
Sounds like those comic executives had been to too many "quality control"
meetings. Either their job has sucked out their remaining creativity or
they had none to begin with!
It was when we turned 30 that my husband and I started reading comics again
on a regular basis. We owned a business then and had little time to read
and got the best value for our time out of comics. It is the best way we
know of to recharge for the next day, maybe escape from the cares and the
worries of today, and (sorry!) always to remember that there is "Always
Another Rainbow".
Kathy
Kathy Fitzpatrick
Junkville Journal
Message 198 -
1996-01-30 at 05:55:16
Donald,
RE: > I haven't had a lot of experience with "raw" Scarpa stories, but the one
>I did deal with -- "The Man from Oola-Oola" -- had several minor plot problems,
>which (I hope) I cleaned up in re-scripting. ......>
We just finished rereading this story and look forward to what you have done
with it!
Kathy
RE: > I haven't had a lot of experience with "raw" Scarpa stories, but the one
>I did deal with -- "The Man from Oola-Oola" -- had several minor plot problems,
>which (I hope) I cleaned up in re-scripting. ......>
We just finished rereading this story and look forward to what you have done
with it!
Kathy
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #24
Message 199 -
1996-01-30 at 07:52:00
TORSTEN:
I just received that new CBG today, myownseff. The back-cover ad was
the first time I'd seen that cover of "mine" also. Right -- I had nothing to
do with the Mouse in that portrait -- the Mouse I had drawn there was a 30s
Mouse to match the strip reprints that were to be in the album that the
cover was originally meant for. And yeah, that "NEW ROSA COVER" was done by
Rosa seven years ago. I spotted one other difference -- the titles of the
paintings were supposed to sound like what you'd see in an art gallery...
"The Duck", "The Mouse" and "The Tycoon"... only "The Mouse" was changed to
"The Hero". I wonder why they had to do that? Maybe to accent the fact that
Mickey is the main feature of the album... I s'pose? Oh... and the other
difference, as I've noted I expected, is that the signatures are removed
from the paintings, but I don't know what the issue features now, anyway.
FABIO:
I address this to you in case you're reading this having just
returned from the big comics fair in Angouleme, France. Did you meet or
perhaps interview Burne Hogarth there?
You probably knew this before we did in America, since these people
are bigger stars in Europe than here. But Hogarth died shortly after leaving
the fair... last Friday, I think someone said.
Strangely enough, the same day, Jerry Siegel, co-creator of Superman
and sometime Disney-comics scripter, also died.
I just received that new CBG today, myownseff. The back-cover ad was
the first time I'd seen that cover of "mine" also. Right -- I had nothing to
do with the Mouse in that portrait -- the Mouse I had drawn there was a 30s
Mouse to match the strip reprints that were to be in the album that the
cover was originally meant for. And yeah, that "NEW ROSA COVER" was done by
Rosa seven years ago. I spotted one other difference -- the titles of the
paintings were supposed to sound like what you'd see in an art gallery...
"The Duck", "The Mouse" and "The Tycoon"... only "The Mouse" was changed to
"The Hero". I wonder why they had to do that? Maybe to accent the fact that
Mickey is the main feature of the album... I s'pose? Oh... and the other
difference, as I've noted I expected, is that the signatures are removed
from the paintings, but I don't know what the issue features now, anyway.
FABIO:
I address this to you in case you're reading this having just
returned from the big comics fair in Angouleme, France. Did you meet or
perhaps interview Burne Hogarth there?
You probably knew this before we did in America, since these people
are bigger stars in Europe than here. But Hogarth died shortly after leaving
the fair... last Friday, I think someone said.
Strangely enough, the same day, Jerry Siegel, co-creator of Superman
and sometime Disney-comics scripter, also died.
GaryB98294
Disney comics Digest V96 #24
Message 200 -
1996-01-30 at 08:34:12
DWIGHT & DON
Like all businesses, the comics industry has its myths. One of those is there
is this magical age that the books appeal to -- and anything beyond that
shouldn't be dealt with or must be ignored.
When I was a kid, comics were for kids. When I was in college, comics had
travsversed the age limit to appeal to college students. When I was in my
30s, comics became a medium for adults.
With this target audience goes the myth that ONLY those in the age category
can write or draw the books. Older men or women don't think like younger kids
and the really young kids aren't mature yet.
As an example, we have this weekly column in our newspaper called eXploits.
Supposedly written by young staff members who are of the Generation X
variety. Some of the best articles were written by two reporters who "think"
they are part of Generation X, but actually are "Baby Boomers." When this was
revealed, there was a serious staff dicussion about who can write eXploits
columns and who can't. It made little sense to me, because the two "older"
staff members appealed to the audience we were seeking.
As Dwight pointed out, I'd like to see someone how how Jack Kirby at 40 or 50
had no idea how to tell an adventure story to thrill young kids.
Quack,
Gary Brown
Like all businesses, the comics industry has its myths. One of those is there
is this magical age that the books appeal to -- and anything beyond that
shouldn't be dealt with or must be ignored.
When I was a kid, comics were for kids. When I was in college, comics had
travsversed the age limit to appeal to college students. When I was in my
30s, comics became a medium for adults.
With this target audience goes the myth that ONLY those in the age category
can write or draw the books. Older men or women don't think like younger kids
and the really young kids aren't mature yet.
As an example, we have this weekly column in our newspaper called eXploits.
Supposedly written by young staff members who are of the Generation X
variety. Some of the best articles were written by two reporters who "think"
they are part of Generation X, but actually are "Baby Boomers." When this was
revealed, there was a serious staff dicussion about who can write eXploits
columns and who can't. It made little sense to me, because the two "older"
staff members appealed to the audience we were seeking.
As Dwight pointed out, I'd like to see someone how how Jack Kirby at 40 or 50
had no idea how to tell an adventure story to thrill young kids.
Quack,
Gary Brown
Per Starback
List pbms
Message 201 -
1996-01-30 at 10:00:24
I wrote about technical problems which I wasn't sure if they had
actually meant any harm to the list. Now it seems like several
persons didn't get digest #23. Did *anyone* get it?
--
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
actually meant any harm to the list. Now it seems like several
persons didn't get digest #23. Did *anyone* get it?
--
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Deckerd
Junkville Journal
Message 202 -
1996-01-30 at 18:27:06
On Jan 29, 7:54pm, kathy fitzpatrick wrote:
> Imagination and creativity are vital to staying young, IMHO!
> Sounds like those comic executives had been to too many
> "quality control" meetings. Either their job has sucked out
> their remaining creativity or they had none to begin with!
Well, those were DC executives. Remember what happened to DC
Comics in the '60s. A bunch of tired men in their 50s content
to rule the shrinking comics market with a tired approach were
suddenly faced with competition from energetic innovators in
their 40s. DC never recovered. It may be that the lesson
learned from the experience penetrated DC's corporate culture
in somewhat garbled form. If our tired 50-something editors, writers,
and artists were blown out of the water by 40-something competitors,
we can trump the competition with 20-something innovators!
Something else occurs to me. It takes time to get known in any
creative profession. Most people need years to gain experience,
polish skills, make contacts, and develop a following. If the
DC execs are serious about "30 and out," an up and coming artist
would be expected to quit comics and go into advertisting right
about the time he (or she) would be beginning to reap the benefits
of serving the apprenticeship. Right about the time the artist
would be thinking, "I know what I'm worth, I have skills, I have
talent, I have fans who like my stuff enough to buy any book I
work on -- I think I'll go into the office and ask for more money!"
In my last posting, I mentioned Carl Barks, who served a long
apprenticeship knocking around doing things like mildly racy
girly cartoons and animation work for Diz -- he was in his 40s
before he even started the great work of his life. When he was
in his 20s, comic books as we know them didn't even exist. Doing
gag cartoons for the Calgary Eye-Opener was the best he could do,
and he was already past the age the DC execs would have said he
was too old to be creative and innovative. It wasn't until the
1940s, when his skill, experience, and the market came together
in just the right mix to give him his opportunity. We could add
Don Rosa. He could have been doing memorable Duck work in his 20s,
if the Pertwillaby Papers are a reliable indicator, but in his
case, the market simply wasn't there. Disney comics had dried up
during that period. Don had to wait until the mid-80s when Gladstone
opened its doors to get his chance.
It isn't so much how old you are but how long it takes to get a
foot in the door...?
--Dwight Decker
> Imagination and creativity are vital to staying young, IMHO!
> Sounds like those comic executives had been to too many
> "quality control" meetings. Either their job has sucked out
> their remaining creativity or they had none to begin with!
Well, those were DC executives. Remember what happened to DC
Comics in the '60s. A bunch of tired men in their 50s content
to rule the shrinking comics market with a tired approach were
suddenly faced with competition from energetic innovators in
their 40s. DC never recovered. It may be that the lesson
learned from the experience penetrated DC's corporate culture
in somewhat garbled form. If our tired 50-something editors, writers,
and artists were blown out of the water by 40-something competitors,
we can trump the competition with 20-something innovators!
Something else occurs to me. It takes time to get known in any
creative profession. Most people need years to gain experience,
polish skills, make contacts, and develop a following. If the
DC execs are serious about "30 and out," an up and coming artist
would be expected to quit comics and go into advertisting right
about the time he (or she) would be beginning to reap the benefits
of serving the apprenticeship. Right about the time the artist
would be thinking, "I know what I'm worth, I have skills, I have
talent, I have fans who like my stuff enough to buy any book I
work on -- I think I'll go into the office and ask for more money!"
In my last posting, I mentioned Carl Barks, who served a long
apprenticeship knocking around doing things like mildly racy
girly cartoons and animation work for Diz -- he was in his 40s
before he even started the great work of his life. When he was
in his 20s, comic books as we know them didn't even exist. Doing
gag cartoons for the Calgary Eye-Opener was the best he could do,
and he was already past the age the DC execs would have said he
was too old to be creative and innovative. It wasn't until the
1940s, when his skill, experience, and the market came together
in just the right mix to give him his opportunity. We could add
Don Rosa. He could have been doing memorable Duck work in his 20s,
if the Pertwillaby Papers are a reliable indicator, but in his
case, the market simply wasn't there. Disney comics had dried up
during that period. Don had to wait until the mid-80s when Gladstone
opened its doors to get his chance.
It isn't so much how old you are but how long it takes to get a
foot in the door...?
--Dwight Decker
Harry Fluks
New version of Disney comics Database
Message 203 -
1996-01-30 at 18:54:42
PER said:
> This new scheme where Harry sent me the data and his programs and I
> generated the resulting files locally means that it's easier to update
> it.
Well... most of the time I update several files at once. For instance, if someone
sends me an index of a Gladstone comic with an Italian, Danish and AR-
coded story in it, I update the I-coded, D-coded, AR-coded and Gladstone files.
Most of the time this is necessary because we didn't have the story yet, or
some extra information is listed (like credits) that weren't listed with the story
yet.
So in most cases, updates will cause a lot of files to be changed. But still,
I would have to send Per only the "source" files, not all produced files, which
is considerably more.
--Harry.
> This new scheme where Harry sent me the data and his programs and I
> generated the resulting files locally means that it's easier to update
> it.
Well... most of the time I update several files at once. For instance, if someone
sends me an index of a Gladstone comic with an Italian, Danish and AR-
coded story in it, I update the I-coded, D-coded, AR-coded and Gladstone files.
Most of the time this is necessary because we didn't have the story yet, or
some extra information is listed (like credits) that weren't listed with the story
yet.
So in most cases, updates will cause a lot of files to be changed. But still,
I would have to send Per only the "source" files, not all produced files, which
is considerably more.
--Harry.
Henri Sivonen
archive retrieval: volume96/23
Message 204 -
1996-01-30 at 20:40:43
Dwight,
>but I always did like Launchpad. I'd vote to keep him in the "real" Duckiverse.
I remember one Egmont story where Scrooge hired a guy who looked like
Launchpad, but had Gyro Gearloose's beak. I wonder how this character was
created. He looks so much like Launchpad taht it's difficult to believe it
would be just a coincidence.
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
>but I always did like Launchpad. I'd vote to keep him in the "real" Duckiverse.
I remember one Egmont story where Scrooge hired a guy who looked like
Launchpad, but had Gyro Gearloose's beak. I wonder how this character was
created. He looks so much like Launchpad taht it's difficult to believe it
would be just a coincidence.
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
Deckerd
Disney comics Digest V96 #24
Message 205 -
1996-01-31 at 01:13:25
On Jan 30, 1:34am, (Email removed) wrote:
> With this target audience goes the myth that ONLY
> those in the age category can write or draw the books.
Take that reasoning far enough, and you end up with the
idea that only children can write children's books.
Obviously, that doesn't work. You need some number of
years of education and practice before you become
professionally adept at your craft, whether as a writer
or an artist. (Or maybe adults can fake it. Anybody here
remember "Jackie's Diary"?)
At least with Disney comics, which are more timeless than
others, I don't think the kid audience much cares _who_
writes and draws them (below a certain age, they write
letters addressed to Uncle Scrooge anyway). As long as
the art is good and tells the story, as long as the stories
are interesting and funny -- as far as the kids are concerned,
the stories sorta just happen, and the fact that writers and
artists had to make them happen is kind of secondary, if it's
even thought about.
--Dwight Decker
> With this target audience goes the myth that ONLY
> those in the age category can write or draw the books.
Take that reasoning far enough, and you end up with the
idea that only children can write children's books.
Obviously, that doesn't work. You need some number of
years of education and practice before you become
professionally adept at your craft, whether as a writer
or an artist. (Or maybe adults can fake it. Anybody here
remember "Jackie's Diary"?)
At least with Disney comics, which are more timeless than
others, I don't think the kid audience much cares _who_
writes and draws them (below a certain age, they write
letters addressed to Uncle Scrooge anyway). As long as
the art is good and tells the story, as long as the stories
are interesting and funny -- as far as the kids are concerned,
the stories sorta just happen, and the fact that writers and
artists had to make them happen is kind of secondary, if it's
even thought about.
--Dwight Decker
Christer Hanssen
Fethry
Message 206 -
1996-01-31 at 01:41:36
David G.:
You said that Egmont doesn't allow writers to use Fethry in their story
anymore. But does that mean that they don't publish him anymore? Thr reason
to this is because he was used in the norwegian DD 96/1? The story is
D91396, but that's maybe before they droped him?
BTW: I'm looking forward to next issue of DD with your "Donald Duck's
Double-Dealt Deal." in it.
~Christer
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End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #25
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You said that Egmont doesn't allow writers to use Fethry in their story
anymore. But does that mean that they don't publish him anymore? Thr reason
to this is because he was used in the norwegian DD 96/1? The story is
D91396, but that's maybe before they droped him?
BTW: I'm looking forward to next issue of DD with your "Donald Duck's
Double-Dealt Deal." in it.
~Christer
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End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #25
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Mikko Aittola
Hogarth & Siegel RIP
Message 207 -
1996-01-31 at 14:31:38
DON:
Burne Hogarth'd death was also mentioned in Finnish
newspapers. He had just created a new 'superhero'
character called Morphus or something.
He was best known for 'anatomically correct' Tarzan
strips.
I didn't know anything about Jerry Siegel's death,
though. Thanks for posting the (sad) news.
/Mikko
Burne Hogarth'd death was also mentioned in Finnish
newspapers. He had just created a new 'superhero'
character called Morphus or something.
He was best known for 'anatomically correct' Tarzan
strips.
I didn't know anything about Jerry Siegel's death,
though. Thanks for posting the (sad) news.
/Mikko
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #25
Message 208 -
1996-01-31 at 15:13:00
ALL:
I seem to be one of the people who did not receive Digest #23, so
sorry if anyone asked me a question therein. I'm not ignoring you -- I hope
Per can resend that Digest so I can peek at it.
Not that it matters, but I should clarify what I'd said about Burne
Hogarth. He died on Sunday (not Friday) in Paris, soon after leaving the
Angouleme comics fair. I look forward to Fabio popping back up here -- it
would be very interesting to see if he met or perhaps even interviewed Hogarth.
And not only did Jerry Siegel also die (Monday morning, I think),
but another "golden age great", Bernard Baily also passed away last weekend.
Among many other things, he created the Spectre with Siegel.
And now that Don Markstein is here, I'm getting confused (which is
easy) as to who is addressing whom. But here's an idea, if anyone wants to
try to remember it. I assume it's Donald Markstein? Me, I'm just plain Don,
Italian - not Anglo-Saxon or whatever, not short for Donald. We can be
"Donald" and "Don", unless Mr.M hates the name "Donald"?
I seem to be one of the people who did not receive Digest #23, so
sorry if anyone asked me a question therein. I'm not ignoring you -- I hope
Per can resend that Digest so I can peek at it.
Not that it matters, but I should clarify what I'd said about Burne
Hogarth. He died on Sunday (not Friday) in Paris, soon after leaving the
Angouleme comics fair. I look forward to Fabio popping back up here -- it
would be very interesting to see if he met or perhaps even interviewed Hogarth.
And not only did Jerry Siegel also die (Monday morning, I think),
but another "golden age great", Bernard Baily also passed away last weekend.
Among many other things, he created the Spectre with Siegel.
And now that Don Markstein is here, I'm getting confused (which is
easy) as to who is addressing whom. But here's an idea, if anyone wants to
try to remember it. I assume it's Donald Markstein? Me, I'm just plain Don,
Italian - not Anglo-Saxon or whatever, not short for Donald. We can be
"Donald" and "Don", unless Mr.M hates the name "Donald"?
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #23
Message 209 -
1996-01-31 at 15:51:00
DWIGHT:
Aha! Per just resent the missing Digest, and someone DID ask me a
question...you.
How do I justify or explain Barks' relocating the Money Bin from
hill to city street, back and forth. I don't. This wasn't an example of him
still deciding on just who and what his new character was -- the idea of a
Money Bin existing at all is an example of that, in the way that the first
story that used it introduced it as if it had just been built, but all later
stories referred to it as having been in place for 70 years or wotever. I'm
sure he regarded the location of the Bin as unimportant, and it would hop
back and forth from the top of a hill to the middle of the city to a large
flat lot as the needs of the particular plot suggested. I'm not sure... I'd
hafta check... but I have a feeling that in the last years the Bin was
always on top of the hill...? But anyway, the Bin location is just something
that I personally treat as being a definite particular spot.
You're right -- I recall that old cartoon where HD&L are shown as
jitterbug nuts speeding around in a ramshackle hotrod -- the early 50s
equivalent of whatever they do to the poor kids in this "Duck Daze", if not
worse. But the thing we always hafta remember -- the MAIN difference between
how these figures are treated in the comic books and in Disney's own
cartoons -- is that Disney treats them simply as ACTORS to fill whatever
role comes up, while the comics treat them as fully-realized CHARACTERS. So,
that's why I just never worry about how these Ducks are depicted in those
cartoons -- it's all (as John Lovitz would say) "ACTING!!! Thank you, thank
you." It's also kind of interesting how someone says that "DuckDaze" would
now render the comic books as being located somewhere in the PAST... which,
of course, I've always said. One point in the show's favor in my scorecard.
But then, I'd prefer the kids to be somewhat older than high school -- I'd
want them to be late-middle-aged operators of the $crooge McDuck Foundation
who would travel the world on adventures in trying to manage the ongoing
operations of that huge charitable organization's investments, while trying
to keep their feisty tag-along 75 year old Uncle Donald out of trouble.
Maybe they're trying to track down "markers" left in $crooge's will, such as
in the premise of some current TV series I think I read about? But that's
just a day dream. And there's the title of my series! "DuckDazeDreams".
Aha! Per just resent the missing Digest, and someone DID ask me a
question...you.
How do I justify or explain Barks' relocating the Money Bin from
hill to city street, back and forth. I don't. This wasn't an example of him
still deciding on just who and what his new character was -- the idea of a
Money Bin existing at all is an example of that, in the way that the first
story that used it introduced it as if it had just been built, but all later
stories referred to it as having been in place for 70 years or wotever. I'm
sure he regarded the location of the Bin as unimportant, and it would hop
back and forth from the top of a hill to the middle of the city to a large
flat lot as the needs of the particular plot suggested. I'm not sure... I'd
hafta check... but I have a feeling that in the last years the Bin was
always on top of the hill...? But anyway, the Bin location is just something
that I personally treat as being a definite particular spot.
You're right -- I recall that old cartoon where HD&L are shown as
jitterbug nuts speeding around in a ramshackle hotrod -- the early 50s
equivalent of whatever they do to the poor kids in this "Duck Daze", if not
worse. But the thing we always hafta remember -- the MAIN difference between
how these figures are treated in the comic books and in Disney's own
cartoons -- is that Disney treats them simply as ACTORS to fill whatever
role comes up, while the comics treat them as fully-realized CHARACTERS. So,
that's why I just never worry about how these Ducks are depicted in those
cartoons -- it's all (as John Lovitz would say) "ACTING!!! Thank you, thank
you." It's also kind of interesting how someone says that "DuckDaze" would
now render the comic books as being located somewhere in the PAST... which,
of course, I've always said. One point in the show's favor in my scorecard.
But then, I'd prefer the kids to be somewhat older than high school -- I'd
want them to be late-middle-aged operators of the $crooge McDuck Foundation
who would travel the world on adventures in trying to manage the ongoing
operations of that huge charitable organization's investments, while trying
to keep their feisty tag-along 75 year old Uncle Donald out of trouble.
Maybe they're trying to track down "markers" left in $crooge's will, such as
in the premise of some current TV series I think I read about? But that's
just a day dream. And there's the title of my series! "DuckDazeDreams".
Augie De Blieck Jr
Disney comics Digest V96 #23
Message 210 -
1996-01-31 at 17:21:11
Henri quotes the official Duck Daze PR fluff stuff as asking us to
remember Ludwig von Drake from DuckTales.
I think Ludwig was in one or maybe two episodes, if I remember
correctly. Sheesh
Anyway, the new PREVIEWS magazine comes out today so either I or someone
will have a full listing of Gladstone's comics for May, I guess it would
be now soon.
Also, I just picked up the past month and a half worth of Disney comics
from the local retailer here by me at school who has been setting them
aside for me. Lots of fun reading - when I get around to it. And the new
comics release list lists both Uncle $crooge and WDC&S as coming out today.
Wow! Expensive week for me. =)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "An army of ninjas versus a Mortal Kombat player
(Email removed) - who think Emperor Shakhan is an orangutan."
(Email removed) - "Bet on the boy." -Impulse #11 [Mark Waid]
remember Ludwig von Drake from DuckTales.
I think Ludwig was in one or maybe two episodes, if I remember
correctly. Sheesh
Anyway, the new PREVIEWS magazine comes out today so either I or someone
will have a full listing of Gladstone's comics for May, I guess it would
be now soon.
Also, I just picked up the past month and a half worth of Disney comics
from the local retailer here by me at school who has been setting them
aside for me. Lots of fun reading - when I get around to it. And the new
comics release list lists both Uncle $crooge and WDC&S as coming out today.
Wow! Expensive week for me. =)
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "An army of ninjas versus a Mortal Kombat player
(Email removed) - who think Emperor Shakhan is an orangutan."
(Email removed) - "Bet on the boy." -Impulse #11 [Mark Waid]