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Augie De Blieck Jr.
TORSTEN:

Thanks for typing in those circulation figures. I have my Disney books
gathering up on hold at the comic book store by me at school, where I
won't return for another couple of weeks. So I haven't seen any new
issues since just before Christmas.

But I've got to tell you -those figures so far are pretty good. 71,000
copies circulated in this market is damn good. Especially considering
Gladstone doesn't have to pay royalties on all the things they reprint.
Circulation is down all over. Marvel's Captain America is at an
_all-time_ low according to an article in the Comics Buyer's Guide
#1154. (Cap. America sold only 82,000 copies on average per month in
the last year.) That is not Marvel's lowest circulated book, either.
(Well, it might be now that Marvel announced plans to cancel half their
line.)

I can't wait to see circulation figures for Uncle $crooge and, rather
curiously, the most recent issue of WDC&S. (Since the revamp, I'll have
to assume the circulation has dropped. So the avergae won't be as
telling as the "Most Recent Issue to Date" column will be against that
average.)

-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr.
Sorry for the second message. But here's some more interesting statistics.

Marvel has to print their circulation figures since they use 2nd class
mailings for subscription customers. DC doesn't, nor does most of the
industry, so you can never be sure how anything else is selling.

However, here is a list of Marvel titles, for which numbers are
available, with circulations below the Disney titles so far:

Daredevil 64,453
Force Works 59,881
New Warriors 44,083
Doom 2099 39,983
Ghost Rider 2099 38,325
Fantastic Force 33,675
War Machine 31,716
Doctor Strange 23,861

It is also interesting to note that these titles lost anywhere from 44%
to 76.8% (!) of their circulation figures from the previous year.

Yep, the industry is changing, and it seems that the books which
represent diversity in the industry are those who are "most easily"
surviving the current storm. I'm going to pull out the last couple of
circulation figures later to make comparisons. Will report back again!

-Augie
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David A Gerstein
FIRST:
THE BLOT'S SYMBOL MUST BE THE SYMBOL OF THE DISNEY COMICS
WWW-PAGES! I say it HAS to be! Hooo-hoo-hohohohohaaa!

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TORSTEN:
"I wonder if the fake stones will actually create a visible
image? Somehow, I don't think the Beagles are that creative."
According to Scarpa they are. Just wait 'til you see how that
statue ends up looking.
"The translation is clever in places, although I groaned at
the "egg" pun."
Do you mean the simple fact that the stones look like the
square eggs, or that I (sigh) used the phrase "Plain Awful" in the
panel, too? You'll have to live with the puns, I can't stop myself
from making them! ;-)

*** END OF SPOILERS ***

"Also, Mr. Gerstein, how did you discover the postal code for
Duckburg?"
I don't remember what I did, now. I may have just come up
with something randomly from a few friends' zip codes, but I think I
used codes from around the northern-California area where Duckburg
supposedly is, to make it seem more authentic. Most California zips
begin with a 9, as did Gyro's.
Gyro's house-number is "140" because he first appeared in
WDC&S 140, of course.
IMHO, "Colossus of the Nile" is Scarpa's BEST Duck story. I'm
just delighted every time I read it. For many years this was not
available to Gladstone or Disney because some of the original page
proofs had gone missing. Last year it was restored, though, so after
six years since Gladstone first noted it in some article (and after
about six letters asking for it, a record for a foreign story), it's
here, and I felt it a great privilege to be able to help in its
preparation.
FABIO, I hope you're also as pleased! Thanks again for
working on it with me!

David Gerstein
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"Oh, that the name of Duck should ever sink so low!"
Henri Sivonen
Don,

>And it's the Finnish bank-giveaway
>$crooge-sitting-on-a-chest!
> Another reason I mention it is that it was in real good shape except
>that it's glasses were missing. Would there be any spare pairs of these lil'
>glasses in any Finnish collections?

The bank (KOP) that used to give away those $crooge banks merged with
another bank in Finland. I wondered what will happen to $crooge. I went
there and asked about the availability of the banks. Unfortunately they
gave away all old $crooges before Christmas, but they said that $crooge
will come back in green (the color of the new bank, Merita). The regular
one is 6" tall. I hear there would be a taller version, too. (Correct me if
I'm wrong.) I don't know which part will be green. $crooge's coat?

--
Henri Sivonen
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Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
Don Rosa
JAMES:
I don't wish to rudely ignore your Superman questions, but I'll be
brief in order to get the subject back to Disney comics.
I've been asked to work on many different projects over the years by
one publisher or another, but one of the only requests I took was that of
being a consultant on the Superman book, partly since I'm such a Superman
fan and partly because it just took a few minutes of time. I simply sent in
my suggestions for the best Superman stories, and the suggestions of best
stories I used to receive from the readers of my old fanzine q&a articles. I
recall the #1 choice was easy -- "The Death of Superman" was a comic story
that I'd set up next to some of Barks' best... and in fact, the writer,
Jerry Siegel, actually wrote some Duck comics. (There! A Disney-comics
tie-in after all!)
That was about 8 years ago -- I can't recall all the nominations I
sent in or which stories were actually in the book.
The Alan Moore story was too new to have been included I should
think -- but it WAS one of the greats. It was what we old Superman fans know
was NOT an "imaginary story", but which was the true end of the Superman
legend; everything that's been in Superman comics since then has been
"imaginary stories". And it was amazing that Alan Moore, who usually writes
such dark and sordid stuff, could write such a great tale that dealt so
respectfully and sentimentally with the legend of Superman, even though
those were some of the most "uplifting and fun" comics there ever were,
something rather different than the grim vigilantes which now populate
American comics... but which (if anyone here listens to industry news) may
be crumbling gradually into ruin as the market collapses. We'll see.
Now then -- enough about Superman.

RoC:
Yes, the way you imagine a conversation between my editors and me is
pretty much how it goes. One of the publishing branches might pass on a
request like "how about a sequel to so and so", but usually I just ask Byron
what length of story he needs, with what character, then I'll say, "how
about one dealing with this" or "people have asked for a sequel to that, and
I have an angle", and then I act on their directions. It's all very casual
and un-businesslike. It's like FUN. That's why I never see myself as a
professional writer/artist. I feel like Byron and I are two Duck fans who
have been given a chance to play with our childhood friends.
And yes! Sorry not to have mentioned it, but I did get the CB&Co.
you sent. Thanks!!! I had also meant to ask you why you sent that Rota
issue. I get copies of those issues sent to me, so I see that stuff. But
thanks, anyway. I'd hate to miss a Rota story -- he's my current hero.
And I was certainly not implying that YOU had mistranslated any part
of that Danish article! I know very well that there are all sorts of
newspaper writers... good, bad and unscrupulous. I know that WELL!
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Well, I did a little bit of research and found the Statement of
Circulation statistics for Uncle $crooge. By filing year:

1989: 171,458
1990: 168,859
1991: 162,127
1992: ???
1993: 146,830
1994: 100,732
1995: ???

Needless to say, I am VERY curious to see how 1995's stats come out,
though I doubt they'll top 80,000. The question to ask here is "What is
the big difference between 1989 and 1995?" Well, the market boom peaked
in 1992, but by then circulation was already dropping steadily.
DuckTales was still in reruns through 1991 or 1992 or so. That could
help explain it. As there were less and less people excited about
DuckTales, there would probably be a drop-off in Uncle Scrooge sales.
But by that much? I don't see it.

What about distribution? Gladstone came in a couple of years ago in the
market boom and had a free ride with Marvel's distribution to the
newsstands and still couldn't beat Disney's circulation of the books.

The Life and Times of Uncle $crooge was an eagerly anticipated event for
Gladstone, yet circulation still continued to drop last year.

The bottom line is that there are half the number of readers reading
Disney comics today as opposed to 5 or 6 years ago.

Price increases, maybe?

Disney jacked the price up from $1 to $1.50, but at a time when the rest
of the industry was doing the same.

Publication changed to bi-monthly status. Might it be that without a fix
EVERY month, people forget about $crooge and stop looking for the comic
when the rest of the industry seems to be on a monthly pace?

Is Uncle $crooge's circulation drop tied into the general failure of the
rest of the industry? How can that be when circulation was steadily
dropping when the industry was booming?

Is it a combination of all of the above?

-Augie, confused
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James E. Smith III
Dear DON:

My thanks, and it is appreciated.

James
David A Gerstein
AUGIE:
"Gladstone came in a couple of years ago in the market boom
and had a free ride with Marvel's distribution to the newsstands..."
Actually, not that free. Marvel did a very bad job of
distributing the books. I know many venues where Marvel took over
from Disney and suddenly only occasional Gladstones were distributed,
rather than all three every month. In some stores Marvel pays to have
space for a special comic-rack they send to the dealer, which is then
set up with their titles. Only the racks that had 12 or more slots
included Gladstone titles, and only one at a time (anything that
didn't sell in a week got REPLACED by the next week's Gladstone
release).
Marvel did a truly rotten job. They bought a ton of books,
didn't bother to distribute them well, and then complained that they
weren't selling. It's like complaining that your racehorse doesn't
run well after you feed it undersized amounts of the wrong things.
<SPECULATION>
Actually, Marvel's goal seems pretty clear: by buying and
then "eating" much of Gladstone's product, they ensured that
Gladstone's visibility would stay down, thus making them less popular
(and competitive) in comic shops. I guess Marvel didn't mind losing
money on Gladstones if it helped them undermine
Gladstone-as-competitor.
On a similar note, Marvel signed a contract to handle the
publication and distribution of Harvey Comics and (to the best of my
knowledge) is just sitting on that contract now, knowing that they
have exclusivity for a few years and that during that time, they won't
have to worry about Harvey characters or comics doing ANYTHING to
their sales. [Regardless of what I may think of Harvey comics, this
was truly dirty pool, and it's what got me thinking about the
Marvel/Gladstone deal.]
</SPECULATION>

When the industry was booming, by the way, that meant more
high-visibility superhero books to push Gladstones off the newsstands,
hence their poorer sales at the time. As far as I know, when it comes
to comic shops, 1st-run Gladstones did fine, the first year of Disneys
saw reader interest fall, Bob Foster and Cris Palomino as Disney
editors after that saw interest rise, 2nd-run Gladstone saw interest
fall until LO$ appeared, and interest has been rising since. All of
this is entirely peripheral to the newsstands, though, where I believe
Gladstone does the majority of its business, no matter how good or bad
that business might be.

David Gerstein
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TKlein28
DON:

I have to agree with you about that Alan Moore Superman story that ended the
Julie Schwartz-edited run on the book. It was a pleasure for me to letter,
too.

AUGIE:

There is lots of speculation about why sales have taken such a nosedive over
on Compuserve, with some wondering why Gladstone figures didn't seem to fall
as far down as some of the other publishers (!). Don offered one suggestion:
that Gladstone sells a good number of its books to the European market. Do
any of you folks from Europe think that could be it? Do you see a lot of
Gladstone books for sale in your countries?
Just wondering. Note that the loss of the Marvel distribution deal
undoubtedly made for a big loss of US distribution. It's much harder to find
Gladstone titles here now.
Mike Pohjola
ALL:
First of all, I think we should create our very own comic character,
who could be the symbol and 'the star' of our WWW pages. "Walt the Walrose"
or "Dismey Disney" or sumpin..

I was reading a comics catalogue here, and there was written that
a Bone comic story was published in a Disney comic. Is this true?-o

ABOUT LIFE OF SCROOGE:
I managed to find seven Life of Scrooge issues from my local comics
store. And they're all in English! It wuz great, man! Have you noticed, btw,
that Scrooge even has some business in Souther Finland?
Two questions however, which I could've asked ages ago, but now
came to mind again: First, didn't "How Green is My Lettuce" say Scrooge
had pigeons instead of cormorants that made him the Birdman of Wall Street?
And second, in some Barks gag story, Scrooge has Donald trying to sell
some sort of super baking powder and in that story Scrooge says that some
little old lady has a paper that could take him to bankcrupt. How did she
get it?

DON and HENRI:
Don, I got five of those bank-giveaways before Christmas. I could
send you a one, or just the glasses (which I could easily get from my
little brother's bank) if you like. Oh, wait a minute... Didn't you say
I should charge 50$ for each bank in the Finnish Comic Con? >-) (just
kidding, I'd feel bad asking money for something I get for free)
And Henri, I think they'll color the coat green; there's already
two versions, red and blue of the coat. But it's pretty damn hard to get
them give you the keys to the banks. ("You see, my sister moved to Australia
and took her Scrooge bank with her and now she can't open it and could you
be so kind..?") I only have two so far for those five banks.

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Deckerd
On Jan 17, 7:58am, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #14
> Do you see a lot of
> Gladstone books for sale in your countries?

I've seen imported English-language, American edition
copies of Gladstone's Disney albums in European bookstores:
not just comic shops but even mainstream bookstores (which
often have extensive comics sections for book-format
albums). Since I seldom see the Carl Barks in Color/
Donald Duck Adventures albums here (I buy one copy of
each and that's half of what my comics shop gets in),
I've wondered if European sales are what keep those
series going.

Which, incidentally, are pretty darned good series.
Just putting all the ten-pagers into print over a
nearly five-year period was amazing, but now they're
about to start on the Scrooge issues at some amazing
schedule -- 16 albums the first year, and I believe
20 for each of the following two years. That's a lot
of ten-dollar or so books to be cramming down the
constricted gullet of the American market in such a
short time, so I'm inclined to think they must be
moving a large portion overseas.

--Dwight Decker
Don Rosa
HENRI:
If the bank in Finland comes out with any new version of the $crooge
bank, I hope you can find me one so I can obtain a pair of specks off'n it.
(I imagine other folks here would like one as well.) But I hope you can get
them without doing something like opening an account. Of course, you could
open lots of accounts then close them back up, causing paperwork and trouble
for the bank ... but selfish actions in order to obtain something
"collectible" or otherwise valuable for one's self is the sort of thing I
hope people would avoid.

AUGIE:
The reason that the sales of Disney comics were dropping already
before the American comic market peaked out was that Disney was publishing
the titles in those years, and that resulted in sales dropping off from the
Gladstone levels by about half. And you might need to double check those
circulation figures for those years... I recall one year Disney had posted
statement-of-ownership's that listed one set of circulation figures, then no
more than two months later reposted the S.o.O.s for the same period showing
circulations of about 1/2 or 1/3 the previous statements. See if you can
hunt those double-statements down. (There's some discussion of this same
subject over on the usually dead-silent Gladstone section on COMPUSERVE,
since those sales figures are currently being posted and attracting comment.)
That's what I feel is Gladstone's biggest problem. The buyers seem
to not be willing to try the Gladstones again after they decided they didn't
like Disney's handling. Gladstone's never been able to rebuild their
circulation. They had growth and momentum in their favor in 1989, but that
was interrupted, and perhaps that sort of good will with the buyers can't be
esilly reestablished.
Per Starback
Don wrote:
> Somebody stop Matt Cox before he does that again!!!

Sorry about that! The list software is supposed to divert messages
that seem to be requests but are sent to the wrong address, but this
time it unfortunately didn't succeed with that.

I'll try to insert some general
look-out-for-whole-digests-being-included-in-messages stuff,
to avoid something like that happening again.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: (Email removed)
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

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MASSENGALE MELANIE O
I've followed this discussion with some interest. I well remember the
"Black Tuesday" sort of takeover that Disney pulled in yanking Gladstone's
license; as a subscriber, I was loyal to Gladstone and was really
irritated! Further, Disney realized my worst fears by completely altering
the character of the products; they took collector-oriented titles and
attempted to mass-market them as "family" or "kiddie" comics. I think the
families and the kiddies were probably as insulted as I was with such
inane titles as GOOFY ADVENTURES. Disney effectively pissed away a very
loyal customer base that Gladstone had painstakingly built, as I, and
apparently many other subscribers, cancelled in complete disgust. Several
years passed before I picked up a Disney title again, after licensing was
belatedly returned to Gladstone.

Disney's sole positive contribution, IMHO, was introducing superior paper
and printing to the comics.

Now I get the comics directly from my comics shop rather than by
subscription. It's much quicker.

Regards,

Melanie
Don Rosa
MIKE:
I just double-checked, and in "How Green Was My Lettuce", it does
not say that $crooge used pigeons on Wall Street. It just says he used
"birds". But he is showing HD&L his pigeons at the time, and that's the
obvious assumption. Of course, what I was mainly trying to do with the
cormorants is establish links between the various "Barksian facts" I was
dealing with in that cluttered chapter XI. And besides, I didn't say that
$crooge didn't ALSO use pigeons on Wall Street.
The "old lady" whatsername that was used in that DD 10-pager about
him selling McDuck flour -- we discussed her here once before as regards the
"Lo$". The off-hand comment in that story that she holds some "paper" that
could destroy $crooge never sat well with me -- it's a rather gratuitous way
to have that one sale of flour so abnormally important to $crooge. I didn't
really want to shoehorn that into the "Lo$" along with everything else --
but I didn't really need to worry about it. Whatever that deal was, I'll say
it happened AFTER 1947, so I can ignore it.
And SURE, I would very much like to have a pair of glasses from one
of those spare $crooge banks, if that's what you're offering. Certainly
remove the glasses (how?) and send them alone -- that would be vastly
simpler than sending the entire bank which I don't need anyway. You could
stick the specks inside a little fold of thin cardboard and slip 'em into a
normal envelope.
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