Just a quick 'hi' to Don Markstein joining us here. Glad to see you venturing
out into new domains.
Also, many thanks to Harry and others who are kindly taking the time to
define all those pesky abbreviations for we acronymically challenged posters!
Finally, HAPPY BIRTHDAYs to John Lustig and Dwight Decker!
... Dave Rawson recommends: Optic Nerve
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 42
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
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Topic: 199601
(219 messages)
Dave Rawson
Disney comics Digest V96 #19
Message 166 -
1996-01-26 at 00:55:02
TKlein28
A few quick notes
Message 167 -
1996-01-26 at 02:10:16
DANIEL:
I believe it was you that asked me not to letter with a computer. I'm afraid
you're too late! I've been using one for about a year now. This doesn't mean
I've stopped lettering by hand -- in fact most of my story lettering is still
done by hand. It simply means I have another (expensive) tool to use in my
work. It comes in very handy for designing logos especially.
DON M.:
Welcome to the list! I've enjoyed chatting with you on Compuserve, and hope
to see you here fairly often. Now we have two Don's, to make the list more
confusing...!
DON R.:
I forgot to ask you about your use of "Lydia" lyrics in the "Croesus" story.
How much of them did you get in? Where did you finally find the complete
lyrics, and did they contain the ones for the bridge section that weren't in
the Marx Brothers movie? If you haven't seen those, I'll try and dig them up.
Too bad we won't see them in the Gladstone printing.
I believe it was you that asked me not to letter with a computer. I'm afraid
you're too late! I've been using one for about a year now. This doesn't mean
I've stopped lettering by hand -- in fact most of my story lettering is still
done by hand. It simply means I have another (expensive) tool to use in my
work. It comes in very handy for designing logos especially.
DON M.:
Welcome to the list! I've enjoyed chatting with you on Compuserve, and hope
to see you here fairly often. Now we have two Don's, to make the list more
confusing...!
DON R.:
I forgot to ask you about your use of "Lydia" lyrics in the "Croesus" story.
How much of them did you get in? Where did you finally find the complete
lyrics, and did they contain the ones for the bridge section that weren't in
the Marx Brothers movie? If you haven't seen those, I'll try and dig them up.
Too bad we won't see them in the Gladstone printing.
Kathy Fitzpatrick
Scarpa
Message 168 -
1996-01-26 at 04:18:20
Wes said: <Generally, I've had trouble reading Scarpa stories because the
plots have felt a bit disjointed to me -- "Lentils of Babylon" is a case in
point. So many readers on this list seem to think "Lentils" is such a
terrific story, but I found it confusing and unclear.>
Wes,
I agree with you 100% on "Lentils of Babylon" I love all of the other
Scarpa stories I have ever read which are not that many, but "King Tapiocus"
and the adventure to the artic netherlandse (can't think of the title) where
Donald and HD&L end refurbishing a ship, go to map unmapped areas, U$ has a
kind of giger counter tracer on them, and bails them out when their
equipment is lost because they end up near a uranium deposit. "Lentils.."
was so disjointed and drug out that we almost didn't finish it. I wonder if
Scarpa stretched it out for any reason. We are looking forward to receiving
"Colossus of the Nile."
Kathy
plots have felt a bit disjointed to me -- "Lentils of Babylon" is a case in
point. So many readers on this list seem to think "Lentils" is such a
terrific story, but I found it confusing and unclear.>
Wes,
I agree with you 100% on "Lentils of Babylon" I love all of the other
Scarpa stories I have ever read which are not that many, but "King Tapiocus"
and the adventure to the artic netherlandse (can't think of the title) where
Donald and HD&L end refurbishing a ship, go to map unmapped areas, U$ has a
kind of giger counter tracer on them, and bails them out when their
equipment is lost because they end up near a uranium deposit. "Lentils.."
was so disjointed and drug out that we almost didn't finish it. I wonder if
Scarpa stretched it out for any reason. We are looking forward to receiving
"Colossus of the Nile."
Kathy
Cdoberman
Duck Daze
Message 169 -
1996-01-26 at 06:06:32
Well, I went and checked out the Web site to see how Huey, Dewey & Louie
handled puberty, and I've got to say, it's not a pretty sight. They look
like the kind of kids you just want to slap around a little. The kind you
expect to be disrespectful and lethargic. Now maybe Disney will make them
the same old fashioned service-oriented, outdoorsy men of adventure we've all
come to know and love, and set them as a role model for the grunge generation
-- but what I really hope is that this incarnation is soon just a bad memory.
-- Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
handled puberty, and I've got to say, it's not a pretty sight. They look
like the kind of kids you just want to slap around a little. The kind you
expect to be disrespectful and lethargic. Now maybe Disney will make them
the same old fashioned service-oriented, outdoorsy men of adventure we've all
come to know and love, and set them as a role model for the grunge generation
-- but what I really hope is that this incarnation is soon just a bad memory.
-- Wes
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
Mikko Aittola
Disney comics Digest V96 #21
Message 170 -
1996-01-26 at 14:58:59
Augie:
Somehow you 'corrected' two of my mistakes that didn't exist.
- The sales figures INCLUDED both, Diamond AND Capital sales.
- I didn't forget the subscribers, I stated quite clearly
that subscriptions and newstand sales were not included.
Don:
Actually DuckTales still effects the Disney comics.
I see occasional DuckTales or 'regular-cast featuring Launchpad'
story in Egmont-issues.
The stories are usually even more horrible than the TV-series.
About Duck Daze:
I visited that Duck Daze web-page...
And I kinda like it. Of course, the quality of the
TV-series depends how well it is written, but I see nothing
wrong with the basic 'idea'.
The HDL will eventually grow older. There's nothing wrong with
that. So the Disney staff make a TV-series out of it. Nothing
wrong with that either.
It doesn't mess with the Disney Comics 'canon' like the 'Tales'
did. That's good too.
Basicly this just looks a whole lotta better than Goof Troop =)
And this propably won't hurt Gladstone's sales...
/Mikko
- waiting for the first episode before The Final Judgement (tm).
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #22
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Somehow you 'corrected' two of my mistakes that didn't exist.
- The sales figures INCLUDED both, Diamond AND Capital sales.
- I didn't forget the subscribers, I stated quite clearly
that subscriptions and newstand sales were not included.
Don:
Actually DuckTales still effects the Disney comics.
I see occasional DuckTales or 'regular-cast featuring Launchpad'
story in Egmont-issues.
The stories are usually even more horrible than the TV-series.
About Duck Daze:
I visited that Duck Daze web-page...
And I kinda like it. Of course, the quality of the
TV-series depends how well it is written, but I see nothing
wrong with the basic 'idea'.
The HDL will eventually grow older. There's nothing wrong with
that. So the Disney staff make a TV-series out of it. Nothing
wrong with that either.
It doesn't mess with the Disney Comics 'canon' like the 'Tales'
did. That's good too.
Basicly this just looks a whole lotta better than Goof Troop =)
And this propably won't hurt Gladstone's sales...
/Mikko
- waiting for the first episode before The Final Judgement (tm).
--------------------------------
End of dcomics Digest V96 Issue #22
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Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V96 #22
Message 171 -
1996-01-26 at 15:55:00
PER:
What a coincidence that I happened to stumble upon and make mention
of that Internet directory that listed this newsgroup as a place "for people
who wanted to be toons". Here comes a misguided message from Casey, sent to
the old address (as shown in the directory)... and making an odd comment
about what she'd do if she were a Warner Bros. cartoon character. This
message would have seemed very odd... but I think we can be sure it was that
deranged Internet directory that must have lead her here. Not her fault.
DON M.:
Right. In "The Son of the Sun", $crooge still "owns" the Incan
treasure... he just lost access to it. But that still meets my intentions.
You could say that Walter Huston and Tim Holt still owned all that gold
dust, but they just lost access to it, eh?
And as for continuity as regards a specific item like this Croesus
treasure... I love to dabble with continuity, but not be a slave to it. As
I've said on here, some things I will stick to firmly, while other "facts" I
will change as it suits me -- the best example is that I'll always refer to
the Money Bin as having always been just as it is, no matter how many times
Barks (or I) have emptied or destroyed it. However... if I ever make a
reference to a specific story of Barks, or certainly of my own, I won't
change the facts slightly. If I had $crooge lose the Croesus treasury in my
story, he will ALWAYS have lost the treasure, no matter how many times I
refer to that story. Otherwise, I just won't refer to it. I won't pick out
an obscure bit from an old story simply to change it. Better to just ignore
it altogether.
But as I always say, this has nothing to do with what some other
writer might do to a Barks story or my story or any other story. They can
pick and change what they will -- that's their business. Which leads us to...
DAVID:
As I have just said, I never expect you to be a slave to my
continuities. But since you seem to enjoy trying, and since I'm curious,
lemme ask this: you just said that you're scripting a story where $crooge
claims he spent his childhood shining miner's boots. Where would miners come
from in downtown Glasgow?
But if you figure he lived somewhere else, that's okey-dokey.
TODD:
I finally saw the "Lydia" lyrics in the Gladstone issues, and they
ARE changed, by Disney directive. The lyrics were considered too suggestive.
It's such a strange double standard -- Disney comics, which at least require
the ability to read, must be thus. But Disney cartoons like "The Lion King",
which are "for the whole family", feature things like a main character
shunned by animal society because he emits flatulence so foul that it's
shown killing flowers and felling herds of water buffalo. And "Aladdin" has
the hero calling another character a horse's rear end. I would NEVER want to
see stuff like that in a comic book, but they do it in their cartoons! Go
figger...
Anyway, I don't know how much of the future lyrics for "Lydia" will
be allowed into the comic -- and there's no sense in me checking since I
can't do anything about it anyway.
NIKKO:
No, "DuckTales" did NOT affect the Duck Universe. There are
"DuckTales" stories, but the characters and situations in those stories do
not bleed over into the "classic" Duck Universe. They are maintained as a
separate Universe... like DC's old Earth One and Earth Two
(continuity-haters wince). And the "DuckTales" stories get fewer and fewer,
and have already disappeared from some countries entirely.
What a coincidence that I happened to stumble upon and make mention
of that Internet directory that listed this newsgroup as a place "for people
who wanted to be toons". Here comes a misguided message from Casey, sent to
the old address (as shown in the directory)... and making an odd comment
about what she'd do if she were a Warner Bros. cartoon character. This
message would have seemed very odd... but I think we can be sure it was that
deranged Internet directory that must have lead her here. Not her fault.
DON M.:
Right. In "The Son of the Sun", $crooge still "owns" the Incan
treasure... he just lost access to it. But that still meets my intentions.
You could say that Walter Huston and Tim Holt still owned all that gold
dust, but they just lost access to it, eh?
And as for continuity as regards a specific item like this Croesus
treasure... I love to dabble with continuity, but not be a slave to it. As
I've said on here, some things I will stick to firmly, while other "facts" I
will change as it suits me -- the best example is that I'll always refer to
the Money Bin as having always been just as it is, no matter how many times
Barks (or I) have emptied or destroyed it. However... if I ever make a
reference to a specific story of Barks, or certainly of my own, I won't
change the facts slightly. If I had $crooge lose the Croesus treasury in my
story, he will ALWAYS have lost the treasure, no matter how many times I
refer to that story. Otherwise, I just won't refer to it. I won't pick out
an obscure bit from an old story simply to change it. Better to just ignore
it altogether.
But as I always say, this has nothing to do with what some other
writer might do to a Barks story or my story or any other story. They can
pick and change what they will -- that's their business. Which leads us to...
DAVID:
As I have just said, I never expect you to be a slave to my
continuities. But since you seem to enjoy trying, and since I'm curious,
lemme ask this: you just said that you're scripting a story where $crooge
claims he spent his childhood shining miner's boots. Where would miners come
from in downtown Glasgow?
But if you figure he lived somewhere else, that's okey-dokey.
TODD:
I finally saw the "Lydia" lyrics in the Gladstone issues, and they
ARE changed, by Disney directive. The lyrics were considered too suggestive.
It's such a strange double standard -- Disney comics, which at least require
the ability to read, must be thus. But Disney cartoons like "The Lion King",
which are "for the whole family", feature things like a main character
shunned by animal society because he emits flatulence so foul that it's
shown killing flowers and felling herds of water buffalo. And "Aladdin" has
the hero calling another character a horse's rear end. I would NEVER want to
see stuff like that in a comic book, but they do it in their cartoons! Go
figger...
Anyway, I don't know how much of the future lyrics for "Lydia" will
be allowed into the comic -- and there's no sense in me checking since I
can't do anything about it anyway.
NIKKO:
No, "DuckTales" did NOT affect the Duck Universe. There are
"DuckTales" stories, but the characters and situations in those stories do
not bleed over into the "classic" Duck Universe. They are maintained as a
separate Universe... like DC's old Earth One and Earth Two
(continuity-haters wince). And the "DuckTales" stories get fewer and fewer,
and have already disappeared from some countries entirely.
David A Gerstein
Buggs in stories, and bugged stories
Message 172 -
1996-01-26 at 17:10:00
DON M.:
"I count Barks as a prime influence on my own prose style, but
some of those guys read like they never heard of him."
And have you seen what they do to Barks? Britain ran "The
Masters of Melody" pretty much intact (although relettered) while I
was over there, but then they ran "Spoil the Rod" -- WDC&S 92 with
Professor Pulpheart Clabberhead, whom they renamed Professor Peabody
Claptrap (a fine name, but IT AIN'T THE ORIGINAL!)
Mayor McAllister Beelzebubb Bugg (note spelling of that last
name) has his entire name stated in WDC&S 23, the issue that reprinted
part one of "War Against the Flies." There's a caption like this:
"Mayor McAllister Beelzebubb Bugg,
Junkville's mayor, pompous and smug,
Gives a speech as precious and rare
And as DULL as many another mayor!"
And then he gives it:
"Ladies and gentlemen, here I stand,
To blah-blah-blah-blah-blah!
Our country's flag -- blah-blah -- command!
And blah-blah-blah-blah-blah!
Of little Bucky Bug I speak, who soon will be my son-in-law!
He'll stand for both the strong and meek, and help the country
blah-blah-blah!
And now, my friends and subjects, but a final blah-blah-blah!
We'll hear from General Bucky now!"
"HOORAY! HOORAY! HURRAH!"
(That's probably pretty close to correct, but I don't have the
issue here and I'm not sure how well I remember it.)
It's of Mayor Bugg's speech that Bucky later tells June (who
really ought to be insulted considering she's the Mayor's daughter!)
"a lot of great things are accomplished by bluff."
Who's drawing your Gilbert and Sullivan satire? Pat Block?
Very funny parody by the way.
I imagine that the MM story you refer to dialoguing is "The
Trojan Horse" coming in DDM 6? Sorry y' had such a doggoned rough
time with Mickey's dialogue, fer gosh sakes! But of all th' dumb
bunnies, I take th' prize! (drop falsetto) What is it you don't like
about the way he talks? In stories from 1935-41 particularly, I find
his manner of speech very engaging.
WES and KATHY:
The basic problem in "The Lentils of Babylon," original
version, was that this third-world country had been completely
swindled out of their most valuable resource and that nobody seemed to
care. Scrooge signed away his fortune, while remaining very unclear
about exactly what was signed away and why he had done it. It was
unclear how illegal anything the Beagle Boys had done might have been,
rotten as it was. And originally, there was a huge parody of
rate-of-monetary-exchange hang-ups which simply bore no resemblance to
the real world.
In trying to make that story more logical for Gladstone's
readers, I had to spend a lot of panels explaining stuff (not that
Scarpa did anything different), and thus those panels (mostly in the
story's second part) were very stodgy. Almost... FLEETWAY style (the
English publisher we've discussed).
The ironic thing was that I don't consider "Lentils" to be a
really BAD story, and when I finished my translation I was very proud
of it indeed. It was only after the thing was published that I really
thought about how rambling it seemed, and how slow and unexciting my
dialogue was.
I was really ashamed. I'd done a serviceable dialogue, but I
felt that it hadn't enhanced the story the way it should have. When I
look at that 71-page story now, I feel that only the first chapter is
ideal, the last chapter is okay, and the middle part is really some of
my poorest work (with one of Don's BEST covers).
I hope I've redeemed myself with "Catman Vs. the Masked
Marauder" and "Colossus of the Nile". I have about 10 other dialogues
(mostly fairly short) coming in the next year, and we'll see how they
look to me by the time they're published. (I didn't do all of them
recently -- some are actually five years old!)
Kathy, the Arctic story you recall is "Amundsen's Talisman,"
published back in DD 279.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
"I count Barks as a prime influence on my own prose style, but
some of those guys read like they never heard of him."
And have you seen what they do to Barks? Britain ran "The
Masters of Melody" pretty much intact (although relettered) while I
was over there, but then they ran "Spoil the Rod" -- WDC&S 92 with
Professor Pulpheart Clabberhead, whom they renamed Professor Peabody
Claptrap (a fine name, but IT AIN'T THE ORIGINAL!)
Mayor McAllister Beelzebubb Bugg (note spelling of that last
name) has his entire name stated in WDC&S 23, the issue that reprinted
part one of "War Against the Flies." There's a caption like this:
"Mayor McAllister Beelzebubb Bugg,
Junkville's mayor, pompous and smug,
Gives a speech as precious and rare
And as DULL as many another mayor!"
And then he gives it:
"Ladies and gentlemen, here I stand,
To blah-blah-blah-blah-blah!
Our country's flag -- blah-blah -- command!
And blah-blah-blah-blah-blah!
Of little Bucky Bug I speak, who soon will be my son-in-law!
He'll stand for both the strong and meek, and help the country
blah-blah-blah!
And now, my friends and subjects, but a final blah-blah-blah!
We'll hear from General Bucky now!"
"HOORAY! HOORAY! HURRAH!"
(That's probably pretty close to correct, but I don't have the
issue here and I'm not sure how well I remember it.)
It's of Mayor Bugg's speech that Bucky later tells June (who
really ought to be insulted considering she's the Mayor's daughter!)
"a lot of great things are accomplished by bluff."
Who's drawing your Gilbert and Sullivan satire? Pat Block?
Very funny parody by the way.
I imagine that the MM story you refer to dialoguing is "The
Trojan Horse" coming in DDM 6? Sorry y' had such a doggoned rough
time with Mickey's dialogue, fer gosh sakes! But of all th' dumb
bunnies, I take th' prize! (drop falsetto) What is it you don't like
about the way he talks? In stories from 1935-41 particularly, I find
his manner of speech very engaging.
WES and KATHY:
The basic problem in "The Lentils of Babylon," original
version, was that this third-world country had been completely
swindled out of their most valuable resource and that nobody seemed to
care. Scrooge signed away his fortune, while remaining very unclear
about exactly what was signed away and why he had done it. It was
unclear how illegal anything the Beagle Boys had done might have been,
rotten as it was. And originally, there was a huge parody of
rate-of-monetary-exchange hang-ups which simply bore no resemblance to
the real world.
In trying to make that story more logical for Gladstone's
readers, I had to spend a lot of panels explaining stuff (not that
Scarpa did anything different), and thus those panels (mostly in the
story's second part) were very stodgy. Almost... FLEETWAY style (the
English publisher we've discussed).
The ironic thing was that I don't consider "Lentils" to be a
really BAD story, and when I finished my translation I was very proud
of it indeed. It was only after the thing was published that I really
thought about how rambling it seemed, and how slow and unexciting my
dialogue was.
I was really ashamed. I'd done a serviceable dialogue, but I
felt that it hadn't enhanced the story the way it should have. When I
look at that 71-page story now, I feel that only the first chapter is
ideal, the last chapter is okay, and the middle part is really some of
my poorest work (with one of Don's BEST covers).
I hope I've redeemed myself with "Catman Vs. the Masked
Marauder" and "Colossus of the Nile". I have about 10 other dialogues
(mostly fairly short) coming in the next year, and we'll see how they
look to me by the time they're published. (I didn't do all of them
recently -- some are actually five years old!)
Kathy, the Arctic story you recall is "Amundsen's Talisman,"
published back in DD 279.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
David A Gerstein
Disney comics Digest V96 #22
Message 173 -
1996-01-26 at 17:23:50
MIKKO:
What bothers me -- and what you won't even see in Sweden -- is
that in the United States, Duck Daze will become the "Standard"
version we see of Donald's home life. The comics, as we've discussed,
are so poorly distributed here that people will begin asking why they
don't conform to Duck Daze, instead of the other way around. It is as
if Disney is saying that anything they've done up until now is no
longer timeless, but locked in the past (because HDL are older now).
Actually, if you look at how HDL are wearing styles-of-the-minute in
Duck Daze, it's rather clear that in five years, THIS show will be
locked in the past. Even though its writing and other elements may be
handled just fine.
Duck Daze is not the only reorganization of major Disney
characters that's going to take place. "We're working our way all the
way up to Mickey Mouse," someone at Disney TV said in USA TODAY about
Duck Daze a few days ago. "Donald is second to Mickey Mouse."
So...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
What bothers me -- and what you won't even see in Sweden -- is
that in the United States, Duck Daze will become the "Standard"
version we see of Donald's home life. The comics, as we've discussed,
are so poorly distributed here that people will begin asking why they
don't conform to Duck Daze, instead of the other way around. It is as
if Disney is saying that anything they've done up until now is no
longer timeless, but locked in the past (because HDL are older now).
Actually, if you look at how HDL are wearing styles-of-the-minute in
Duck Daze, it's rather clear that in five years, THIS show will be
locked in the past. Even though its writing and other elements may be
handled just fine.
Duck Daze is not the only reorganization of major Disney
characters that's going to take place. "We're working our way all the
way up to Mickey Mouse," someone at Disney TV said in USA TODAY about
Duck Daze a few days ago. "Donald is second to Mickey Mouse."
So...
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Deckerd
Disney comics Digest V96 #22
Message 174 -
1996-01-26 at 19:00:13
On Jan 26, 8:55am, Don Rosa wrote:
> Here comes a misguided message from Casey...
> making an odd comment about what she'd do if she were
> a Warner Bros. cartoon character...
I didn't quite figure out the whys and wherefores until you
doped it out. "Deranged" is the right word for that directory
listing. Maybe it's a case of somebody trying to guess what
an ML is about when trying to write a description. In a way,
it's a charming idea for an ML, and somehow it seems too
detailed and precise to be somebody's stab in the dark at
what the Disney comics ML is about. Maybe it's a real ML that
got confused with this one?
> I love to dabble with continuity, but not be a slave to it. As
> I've said on here, some things I will stick to firmly, while
> other "facts" I will change as it suits me -- the best example
> is that I'll always refer to the Money Bin as having always
> been just as it is, no matter how many times Barks (or I)
> have emptied or destroyed it. However... if I ever make a
> reference to a specific story of Barks, or certainly of my
> own, I won't change the facts slightly.
Sorry to be a nitpicking quibbler, but one thing I've wondered
about is the depiction of the Money Bin standing in all its
lonely glory atop Killmotor Hill, where it's always been and
always will be. In some of the earlier Barks stories dealing
with Scrooge's wealth, notably "Only A Poor Old Man," the bin
hasn't achieved that final form yet. In OAPOM, the money bin
is an office building in downtown Duckburg, on the street, with
immediately adjacent buildings all around. The story begins with
the Beagle Boys burrowing in from the adjoining property. This
could have been rationalized by saying yes, that was how
Scrooge stored his money early on, but later he realized how
vulnerable the streetfront location was and went to the fortified
money bin on top of an otherwise vacant hill, but in LO$ you
state that Scrooge built the bin on the site of the old fort
and it's been there ever since. I won't belabor the point -- I've
had to explain the history of changing conceptions of the character
to some leftwing looney-tune who called "Voodoo Hoodoo"
"imperialist propagandizing" (sic!) without even having read it,
based on somebody's description of Scrooge hiring thugs to chase
African natives off their land to can grab it for a rubber
planation, which he used to attack the "I made it square!"
Scrooge -- but since you brought it up... How do you correlate
the "Only A Poor Old Man" money bin with the Killmotor Hill MB?
> But Disney cartoons like "The Lion King",
> which are "for the whole family", feature things like...
What stunned me about "The Lion King" was how downright _erotic_
the "Love Tonight" number was. At one point Nala is on her back
and Simba is on top of her, and suddenly it's very clear what's
going on here. I'm not complaining -- it's actually quite lovely.
Gentle, sweet, tasteful eroticism. It might go over kids' heads,
but adults should be able to pick up on it. Meanwhile, when
something so obvious is going on in that scene, the professional
Disney-bashers are using the freezeframe on their VCRs looking for
a spot where the word "sex" supposedly momentarily forms out of
some blowing dust. In their obsession to find hidden messages
and secret meanings to decode, they missed the most obvious scene!
But you're right...Disney comics are held to a different standard.
Maybe the feeling is that in-house productions like movies are
something the management can control, even push the outside of
the envelope now and then when they feel times are right, but
licensee-produced merchandise (like comics) has to be kept on a
short leash. I was just surprised to be reading the Dutch weekly
Donald Duck comic and come across a reader-submitted joke that
never would have been printed in a Stateside Disney comic. (A
sailor about to go to sea tells his pregnant wife to send him a
message when the baby arrives, but code it so the rest of the crew
doesn't find out, since otherwise he'd have to treat everybody.
The code is: "I bought a teapot." When the message finally arrives
a few weeks later, it reads: "I bought two teapots. One with a
spout, one without.") Okay, it's kind of childish, but still a
bit suggestive for a Disney publication. Then again, the foreign
publishers have a lot more latitude.
> There are "DuckTales" stories, but the characters and
> situations in those stories do
> not bleed over into the "classic" Duck Universe.
Too bad. I can do without Webby, the housekeeper, and whatever
the dweeb-duck was called, but I always did like Launchpad.
I'd vote to keep him in the "real" Duckiverse.
--Dwight Decker
> Here comes a misguided message from Casey...
> making an odd comment about what she'd do if she were
> a Warner Bros. cartoon character...
I didn't quite figure out the whys and wherefores until you
doped it out. "Deranged" is the right word for that directory
listing. Maybe it's a case of somebody trying to guess what
an ML is about when trying to write a description. In a way,
it's a charming idea for an ML, and somehow it seems too
detailed and precise to be somebody's stab in the dark at
what the Disney comics ML is about. Maybe it's a real ML that
got confused with this one?
> I love to dabble with continuity, but not be a slave to it. As
> I've said on here, some things I will stick to firmly, while
> other "facts" I will change as it suits me -- the best example
> is that I'll always refer to the Money Bin as having always
> been just as it is, no matter how many times Barks (or I)
> have emptied or destroyed it. However... if I ever make a
> reference to a specific story of Barks, or certainly of my
> own, I won't change the facts slightly.
Sorry to be a nitpicking quibbler, but one thing I've wondered
about is the depiction of the Money Bin standing in all its
lonely glory atop Killmotor Hill, where it's always been and
always will be. In some of the earlier Barks stories dealing
with Scrooge's wealth, notably "Only A Poor Old Man," the bin
hasn't achieved that final form yet. In OAPOM, the money bin
is an office building in downtown Duckburg, on the street, with
immediately adjacent buildings all around. The story begins with
the Beagle Boys burrowing in from the adjoining property. This
could have been rationalized by saying yes, that was how
Scrooge stored his money early on, but later he realized how
vulnerable the streetfront location was and went to the fortified
money bin on top of an otherwise vacant hill, but in LO$ you
state that Scrooge built the bin on the site of the old fort
and it's been there ever since. I won't belabor the point -- I've
had to explain the history of changing conceptions of the character
to some leftwing looney-tune who called "Voodoo Hoodoo"
"imperialist propagandizing" (sic!) without even having read it,
based on somebody's description of Scrooge hiring thugs to chase
African natives off their land to can grab it for a rubber
planation, which he used to attack the "I made it square!"
Scrooge -- but since you brought it up... How do you correlate
the "Only A Poor Old Man" money bin with the Killmotor Hill MB?
> But Disney cartoons like "The Lion King",
> which are "for the whole family", feature things like...
What stunned me about "The Lion King" was how downright _erotic_
the "Love Tonight" number was. At one point Nala is on her back
and Simba is on top of her, and suddenly it's very clear what's
going on here. I'm not complaining -- it's actually quite lovely.
Gentle, sweet, tasteful eroticism. It might go over kids' heads,
but adults should be able to pick up on it. Meanwhile, when
something so obvious is going on in that scene, the professional
Disney-bashers are using the freezeframe on their VCRs looking for
a spot where the word "sex" supposedly momentarily forms out of
some blowing dust. In their obsession to find hidden messages
and secret meanings to decode, they missed the most obvious scene!
But you're right...Disney comics are held to a different standard.
Maybe the feeling is that in-house productions like movies are
something the management can control, even push the outside of
the envelope now and then when they feel times are right, but
licensee-produced merchandise (like comics) has to be kept on a
short leash. I was just surprised to be reading the Dutch weekly
Donald Duck comic and come across a reader-submitted joke that
never would have been printed in a Stateside Disney comic. (A
sailor about to go to sea tells his pregnant wife to send him a
message when the baby arrives, but code it so the rest of the crew
doesn't find out, since otherwise he'd have to treat everybody.
The code is: "I bought a teapot." When the message finally arrives
a few weeks later, it reads: "I bought two teapots. One with a
spout, one without.") Okay, it's kind of childish, but still a
bit suggestive for a Disney publication. Then again, the foreign
publishers have a lot more latitude.
> There are "DuckTales" stories, but the characters and
> situations in those stories do
> not bleed over into the "classic" Duck Universe.
Too bad. I can do without Webby, the housekeeper, and whatever
the dweeb-duck was called, but I always did like Launchpad.
I'd vote to keep him in the "real" Duckiverse.
--Dwight Decker
Henri Sivonen
Disney comics Digest V96 #22
Message 175 -
1996-01-26 at 19:16:59
I visited the Duck Daze web pages, too. I always thoght there would be
sensors and some high quality standards =). Now I'm waiting for the
QuickTime clip they will be providing (to see how HDL they behave and to
hear how they sound).
BTW in the synopsis there was a mentioning that everybody knows Ludwig Von
Drake from DuckTales. I can't remember.
Still about translations
IMHO there's very high risk removing or adding facts (duck facts or
historical facts). This can be confusing to the readers or the future
translators.
For example in the fifties the Finnish AA mag localized Barks stories to
fit in Finland. They had no way to stick with those translations when
translating the Lo$.
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
sensors and some high quality standards =). Now I'm waiting for the
QuickTime clip they will be providing (to see how HDL they behave and to
hear how they sound).
BTW in the synopsis there was a mentioning that everybody knows Ludwig Von
Drake from DuckTales. I can't remember.
Still about translations
IMHO there's very high risk removing or adding facts (duck facts or
historical facts). This can be confusing to the readers or the future
translators.
For example in the fifties the Finnish AA mag localized Barks stories to
fit in Finland. They had no way to stick with those translations when
translating the Lo$.
--
Henri Sivonen
(Email removed) WWW:
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris
Carol J. Sherer
Unsubcribe Disney comics
Message 176 -
1996-01-26 at 21:10:57
unsubscribe Disney comics
Carol J. Sherer
Library Media Specialist
Jetmore High School
Jetmore KS 67854
e-mail: (Email removed)
PH: 316-357-8378
FAX: 316-357-6563
Carol J. Sherer
Library Media Specialist
Jetmore High School
Jetmore KS 67854
e-mail: (Email removed)
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FAX: 316-357-6563
Cdoberman
Disney comics Digest V96 #21
Message 177 -
1996-01-26 at 21:35:23
MIKKO:
>HDL will eventually grow older. There's nothing wrong with
> that.
Maybe not, but part of what I love about Huey, Dewey and Louie is that they
don't grow older. From the 1940s thru the 60s (the end of time in Duckburg
for me), they never outgrow Junior Woodchucks, when in reality they'd be in
their late twenties. Why do they suddenly need to conform to time (and
trends) in the 90s?
> waiting for the first episode before The Final Judgement (tm).
Okay, okay. I'll give you that. However, since I know I'll never SEE an
episode -- I don't watch much TV -- I'll let the People be the final judges
(the people at Neilsons that is [in the U.S., TV viewership is determined by
Neilson ratings]).
DAVID G.:
> I hope I've redeemed myself with "Catman Vs. the Masked
>Marauder" and "Colossus of the Nile". I have about 10 other dialogues
>(mostly fairly short) coming in the next year. . .
No need to redeem yourself, David. You do a great job with great stories and
I can't wait to see what you bring us from Europe next.
-- Wes
>HDL will eventually grow older. There's nothing wrong with
> that.
Maybe not, but part of what I love about Huey, Dewey and Louie is that they
don't grow older. From the 1940s thru the 60s (the end of time in Duckburg
for me), they never outgrow Junior Woodchucks, when in reality they'd be in
their late twenties. Why do they suddenly need to conform to time (and
trends) in the 90s?
> waiting for the first episode before The Final Judgement (tm).
Okay, okay. I'll give you that. However, since I know I'll never SEE an
episode -- I don't watch much TV -- I'll let the People be the final judges
(the people at Neilsons that is [in the U.S., TV viewership is determined by
Neilson ratings]).
DAVID G.:
> I hope I've redeemed myself with "Catman Vs. the Masked
>Marauder" and "Colossus of the Nile". I have about 10 other dialogues
>(mostly fairly short) coming in the next year. . .
No need to redeem yourself, David. You do a great job with great stories and
I can't wait to see what you bring us from Europe next.
-- Wes
Deckerd
Disney comics Digest V96 #21
Message 178 -
1996-01-26 at 22:40:05
On Jan 26, 2:35pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #21
> ...part of what I love about Huey, Dewey
> and Louie is that they don't grow older. From the 1940s
> thru the 60s (the end of time in Duckburg for me), they
> never outgrow Junior Woodchucks, when in reality they'd be
> in their late twenties. Why do they suddenly need to conform
> to time (and trends) in the 90s?
>
Maybe the TV show can be considered a separate continuity that
will run for a while and then drop out of sight, forgotten,
while the great Barks, Rosa, van Horn, Block, etc. stories
live on? There was at least one animated cartoon in the '40s
showing Huey, Dewey, and Louie as teenagers of the time, wearing
hats with turned-up brims. If the comic-book concept of HD&L
could survive animated jitterbugging versions, it can probably
withstand Generation X slackers. I hope. (Just a thought, but...
with Marvel taking itself apart and dropping all the licensed
properties, and Gladstone pretty much limited to Disney Classic,
who might publish a Duck Daze comic?)
--Dwight Decker
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #21
> ...part of what I love about Huey, Dewey
> and Louie is that they don't grow older. From the 1940s
> thru the 60s (the end of time in Duckburg for me), they
> never outgrow Junior Woodchucks, when in reality they'd be
> in their late twenties. Why do they suddenly need to conform
> to time (and trends) in the 90s?
>
Maybe the TV show can be considered a separate continuity that
will run for a while and then drop out of sight, forgotten,
while the great Barks, Rosa, van Horn, Block, etc. stories
live on? There was at least one animated cartoon in the '40s
showing Huey, Dewey, and Louie as teenagers of the time, wearing
hats with turned-up brims. If the comic-book concept of HD&L
could survive animated jitterbugging versions, it can probably
withstand Generation X slackers. I hope. (Just a thought, but...
with Marvel taking itself apart and dropping all the licensed
properties, and Gladstone pretty much limited to Disney Classic,
who might publish a Duck Daze comic?)
--Dwight Decker
Sarah Bruce
(No subject)
Message 179 -
1996-01-27 at 00:24:38
Date: January 26,1996
I would really enjoy it if you could send me some information about
Disney Comics.
Thank you for your time.
Sarah Bruce
I would really enjoy it if you could send me some information about
Disney Comics.
Thank you for your time.
Sarah Bruce
Dave Rawson
Disney comics in 1995
Message 180 -
1996-01-27 at 00:51:12
DAVID G:
Here's a list of my Disney comics work in 1995. I've included a few pieces of
incomplete associated information, as well. Thanks for asking...
DATE TITLE PGS PUBLISHER, CODE, ARTIST
1/7/95 YOU NEVER KNOW 2 DISNEY ADVENTURES (ALADDIN)
1/27/95 THE MERCHANT OF MENACE 16 EGMONT D94250
2/10/95 ON THE ROAD 24 DISNEY ADVENTURES (ALADDIN)
3/21/95 THE BEST EVER 12 EGMONT D95026 Vicar
4/20/95 CHIP OFF THE OLD BLOCK 16 EGMONT D95055 Colomer
5/17/95 ALL HALLOWS' EVE 12 DISNEY ADVENTURES (GARGOYLES)
7/19/95 READY WHEN YOU ARE, C.B. 59 EGMONT D Andersen
8/23/95 SALAMANDER CANYON 37 EGMONT D
9/13/95 BULLDOZER BLUES 12 EGMONT D95137 Vicar
11/1/95 SLAPPY, THE CLOWN 35 EGMONT D
11/22/95 GARMENT VARMINTS 10 DISNEY ADVENTURES (TIMON & PUMBAH)
11/22/95 CRUSIN' 16 EGMONT D
12/27/95 WHO'S WHO IN THE ZOO? 12 EGMONT D
... Dave Rawson recommends: INDY MAGAZINE
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 43
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Here's a list of my Disney comics work in 1995. I've included a few pieces of
incomplete associated information, as well. Thanks for asking...
DATE TITLE PGS PUBLISHER, CODE, ARTIST
1/7/95 YOU NEVER KNOW 2 DISNEY ADVENTURES (ALADDIN)
1/27/95 THE MERCHANT OF MENACE 16 EGMONT D94250
2/10/95 ON THE ROAD 24 DISNEY ADVENTURES (ALADDIN)
3/21/95 THE BEST EVER 12 EGMONT D95026 Vicar
4/20/95 CHIP OFF THE OLD BLOCK 16 EGMONT D95055 Colomer
5/17/95 ALL HALLOWS' EVE 12 DISNEY ADVENTURES (GARGOYLES)
7/19/95 READY WHEN YOU ARE, C.B. 59 EGMONT D Andersen
8/23/95 SALAMANDER CANYON 37 EGMONT D
9/13/95 BULLDOZER BLUES 12 EGMONT D95137 Vicar
11/1/95 SLAPPY, THE CLOWN 35 EGMONT D
11/22/95 GARMENT VARMINTS 10 DISNEY ADVENTURES (TIMON & PUMBAH)
11/22/95 CRUSIN' 16 EGMONT D
12/27/95 WHO'S WHO IN THE ZOO? 12 EGMONT D
... Dave Rawson recommends: INDY MAGAZINE
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 43
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]