Keskustelujen arkisto

I just received the Donald Duck & Co. to be published 21. mars which contain
the Duckburg map. The issue is a double issue and the hole map is included
in one piece. Next weeks will feature sticks to put on it. It reminds me a
bit like those touristmaps which got the attractions emphazised and in a
viewpoint which makes things easy to see though not perspectivly correct. Is
this the Duckburgmap that has been mentioned before?
~Christer

I must apologize. The supposedly new Evil Translator wrote me a private
e-mail in which he claimed he is not Evil (which of course I didn't even
suspect, and I do hope all of you were aware of that!) but -surprise!- he is
not even a TRANSLATOR! That is, the offending translation was NOT his but
was added to his essay, without telling him!

I will not even DARE suspect who the Evil Editor was. Let us have mercy on
him/her, and speak no more about this. Amen.

Marco

From: Nils Lid Hjort <(Email removed)>

>There was a nice full-page [well, tabloid-sized] interview
>with Don Rosa yesterday [Sunday 12.1] in one of Norway's more influential
>newspapers, Dagbladet. The heading was "Saviour of Duckburg"!

I was in Tanzania at that time. Can somebody send me a xerox of it? It would
be nice to see it.
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Vidar Svendsen

Atombomben er b?de kjekk og grei.
Men vi har ikke noe naturlig milj
for den her p? vre Singsaker.

(Fru Flettfrid Andresen)

DON wrote:
>
>Speaking of "spoilers", as for the book you (Leonardo and friends) have
>written about me... don't tell me how it ends. I'm going to wait for the movie.

An happy ending, Don, naturally. In the tradition of Disney comics, of course!

I suppose, since this museum is in Florida, it is inevitable that Disney
Cartoonists are honored.

<<
BOCA RATON, Fla., March 17 /PRNewswire/ -- While over 250 "cartoon chic"
guests looked on wearing everything from cartoon t-shirts and red suspenders
to "Mickey ears" and cartoon-festooned white tailcoats, the International
Museum of Cartoon Art held a ceremony on March 15 inducting five renowned
cartoonists into its prestigious Cartoon Hall of Fame.
The inductees -- whose combined work spans the past eight decades
--
include Peter Arno, the late New Yorker cartoonist; Carl Barks, creator of
"Uncle Scrooge" and one of the legends of the Walt Disney Company; Herblock,
three-time Pulitzer Prize winning Washington Post editorial cartoonist; Lynn
Johnston, creator of the famed comic strip "For Better or For Worse"; and
Chuck Jones, master "Looney Tunes" creator.
"All five of these cartoonists are true originals and artists who
set a
standard in the cartoon world ," said Mort Walker, the Museum's founder and
chairman.
Established in 1974, the Cartoon Hall of Fame is the only hall of
fame for
cartoonists in the world, celebrating the most influential and
accomplished
practitioners of cartoon art working in comic books, cartoons, newspapers
and
magazines. Only 27 previous members have been enshrined there, including
Walt
Disney, Charles Schulz, Chic Young, and Rube Goldberg.
The induction ceremony was the feature presentation of "Fame,
Fortune &
Fun," a gala event celebrating the Museum's first anniversary. The Museum
marked its first year of operation on March 10, having hosted more than
75,000
visitors from every state in the country and 19 foreign countries, and
mounting a dozen featured exhibitions including the current "Remembering the
Magic: A Celebration of Walt Disney World."
The International Museum of Cartoon Art houses the largest and
most
comprehensive collection of cartoon art in the world, with over 160,000
works
by more than 1,000 artists from 50 countries. The Museum is located in Boca
Raton's Mizner Park, just north of Palmetto Park Road on Federal Highway.
For
more information call 561-391-2200.
CO: International Museum of Cartoon Art
ST: Florida
IN: LEI
SU: >>

-- Wes Andersen

I've been working for a couple of weeks on my www pages, but it is really
much more difficult than it seems to have **well-organized** web pages. So I
decided to let you all be aware of their existence, and hope that some of
you will (privately!) contact me with suggestions. My English needs a good
help, for instance!
Well, but why shoud you give a look at my pages? So I thought you might want
to see yet another appearance of Phooey, this time in a story drawn by Tony
Strobl. You'll find it at
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/Phooey.html
and while you're there, why not take a look at the other pages? ;-)

Marco http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it

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From - Tue Mar 18 14:17:56 1997
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:23:47 GMT
From: (Email removed) (Ole R. Nielsen)
Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Forward from RoC
X-UIDL: a5aad7e9d502a07c53bfbce75eaeb942

Damn! E-trouble abounds here, and again I've been cut off
from our community, this time having been unable to mail outside
town for 2-3 weeks! As I've accumulated a couple of replys to
digests and owe a few of you a personal reply, I'll edit it all
together in one looong mail and, if all else fails, get my brother
to mail it: I _can_ mail him!?` This should be enough to fill an
entire digest, which you can then delete at your leisure. Unless you
collect the Starback digests, in which case you're stuck with it. :-)
Marco, Jonathan and Harry _must_ read through to the bitter end...

Comments to digests 54-57:
--------------------------

Archontis, Mark and Tarjei:

Nice to make your (qu)ac(k)quaintance!
Thanks for the introduc(k)tions, but I got that odd feeling of 'deja vu',
like if big chunks had been cut-and-pasted from the others I've read.
Part of Arcontis' even looked like a better rewrite of my own phrases?!
Probably means that "ducks of a feather flock together". Welcome home.

Christer:

>The last weeks have issued a Mickey story where some professor has invented
>a dimensiontransporter and they use it to remove the snow from the streets.
>[...] I don't remember the code now, but does anybody know who made it?
>It's a quite funny Mickey story, which a usually don't think of his stories.

Longwinded and ranting answer ahead, sorry, but don't blame
yourself for setting it off; it was just waiting to happen. :-)

This funny dimension warp caper is probably by Byron "I can
write my own quotes" Ericson, if I recognize the style right. Ferioli's
art is unmistakable, though maybe a little less detailed than they
used to be. A recuring character, 'Kosmo Kvantemose', who is a sort
of parallel to Gyro for the Mickey stories also appears, and I believe
he is created by Byron. Why not use Marlin and Zapotek from the Italian
time machine stories, and what's his 'real' name BTW, Byron?

Sheesh, not one mention of Ferioli on the list for the last
3-4 months, so maybe I have to remind you:
He was the artist on "One Mouse and His Dog" in "MM & DD" #5 (also
written by our own Byron Ericson, and everyone agreed that he was
probably the best thing to happen to the mouse, since... I'm not even
old enough to remember when!

Gladstone promptly scheduled his stories for the next many
issues of "Mickey and Donald", but after "The Trojan Horse", as an odd
parallel to Barks' new story, and an alternate version of Dave Rawson's
"On the Ball" the title folded. Coincidentally "Walt Disney Giant", the
only other title with room for Mickey stories did too, probably due to
an interesting but at times curious mix of material. At least we got
Byron's "Fantasy Island" in time.
I know that Michael Gilbert's "Plastic Mickey" was in WDC #608 but the
next issue had a boring story (about boredom!) credited to Esteban,
though he is a lot better than Tello Team, whom I'll lay the blame
on this one on. What was _that_ doing in a 7$ comic book!?
And the next 5-6 issues just reprint Gottfredson from "Mickey Mouse in
Color" which I assume most buyers of WDC&S already have. OK, so I don't,
but I have the stories in the Mondadori and Abbeville books.
Just how many times can you sell the same stuff to the same people?

The same applies to the "Penny Pincher": My guess is that half
the print run of the Gladstone titles go abroad for die-hard Disney
fans like me, who already have most of the material, if not always
in English. And at least half the domestic copies go on the shelf of
collectors too, with _maybe_ a quarter going into the hands of people
who really haven't read the stories before in various libraries and
first editions. Have Gladstone ever looked into how large a part of
their customers subscribe to both libraries and regular titles?

Speaking of Penny Pincher #1, NO: this Egmont filler was
NOT by Daniel Branca EITHER! I'm not sure if it was Santanach,
Torres, Scalabroni or whoever, and I don't care too much either.
But if Gladstone can't tell Branca from those guys, do take a look
in my (our) index online, where I've noted just about every story
ever done by Branca for Egmont; that's well over a hundred.
And what's wrong with using a real cover for a cover?

Sorry to be so negative, but there's so much good material
coming now from Egmont, and still lots of gold to be uncovered in Italy
and the Netherlands. It seems such a waste of good paper (not to mention
_my_ money) to publish a Barks tale for the umpteenth time.
But maybe I should write Gladstone instead and ask for some specific
stories. They seem eager to promise whatever you suggest...

& Mike (again about "Out in the Cold Snow", D 96044, 24 pages in 3 parts):

> I didn't really like it as a story (although it was entertaining
> enough). They use way too much of this parallel universe dimension transfer
> stuff imho. I remember how Egmont published a story last year where [...]

I enjoyed it tremendously, though I agree with your opinion
that there's too much dimension-travel going on in Disney comics these
days - especially the Italian ones. But with the re-introduction of MM
as an 1990'es adventurer it's a natural choise. Nowadays it's impossible
to believe in 'hidden valleys', 'lost tribes' and 'undersea empires' -
the world has just become too small and familiar for that.
When you read Gottfredson (or Barks, or Coleridge, or Kipling, or Rice
Burroughs, or...) there's an element of nostalgia for a world with white
spots on the map and writing like "Here there be dragons". There was room
for imagination and adventure on ol' Terra and now it's all charted and
covered live by CNN. Hugo Pratt's hero Corto Maltese 'disappeared' before
the second world war for exactly that reason; the world had no place left
for adventure to happen.

A sort of Next Generation Trekkie myself I could imagine stories
taking place 'out there', but if you look at the alien spaceship movies
that are all the rage these days, you'll notice that they take place here!
Partly because I see them as a modern mythology about supernatural god-like
beings interfering with human development. But also because a story can't
take place in the hostile environment of cold, empty inter-galactic space.
Adventure requires some degree of familiarity of the environment, and yet
with some strangeness and wonder. Dimension and time travel offers that.

Did you notice the half page in the last part with the view of the
room where the aquarium is located? That image had my imagination run crazy
and there was absolutely nothing dramatic about it. The catch was exactly
the almost trivial familiarity of the scenery combined with the knowledge
that there is a mysterious world beyond that black door opening.

Archontis about the "Zodiac Stone"

>The caption on the cover reads "The longest story ever written"--I don't
>know if this claim is true, but the story IS 352 pages long! Has there been
>a longer story in Disney comics?

"Alla ricerca della Pietra Zodiacale" ("On Quest for the Zodiac Stone")
ran over 12 issues of Topolino, #1780 to #1791, and was drawn by Massimo
Di Vita and Franco Valeussi. Other multipart series are "Storia e Gloria
della Dinastia dei paperi" ("The Story and Glory of the Duck Dynasty");
an 8 part story starting in issue #749, and from #906 the 10 part story
"Il Segreto di Totem Decapitato" (The Secret of the Beheaded Totem Pole",
written by Guido Martina. Each one could at their time be described as
'the longest so far', but it's probably just a matter of time.

Other concepts like "Once Upon a Time in America", with Mickey's ancestors
taking part in historic events and - a current favorite of mine -
"I Mercoledi di Pippo" ("Goofy's Wednesdays") in which Goofy writes
clichees of popular genres to and reads them aloud to Mickey, are not
sequels and are published many issues apart. I know 10 cases of the latter.

But a new format will probably take the cake, "Superduck - New Adventures":

I just read the first Danish edition of the new Super-duck/
Paperinik - New Adventures line, which was discussed when it appeared
in Germany, Italy and Norway. But I wasn't quite prepared for this:
80 pages in stiff cover, glitted paper and smooth computer colors,
much like the current WDC&S, except for the extra pages and slightly
larger size. It's even lettered by hand, which is not usual here.
The art is even more extreme than usual for an Italian production,
some manga inspiration is apparent. Like it or not (a far, far cry
from the old-fashioned style we generally applaud here) it is very
well done. And the price? Only DKr. 24,50, some 3,50$ US (or Euros).
And no ads. None.

The title of the opening story is BTW "Shadows on Venus", and it
looks like we're at few chapters into the saga, and some 10 pages are
used to introduce the reader to concepts like chronotypes, densomorph
command, magnet-isotropical impulse reactor, chronosail, Evronia,
Ducklair Tower, channel 00, and the supercomputer Uno (Danish: Globus).

Anyone picking up a random issue of a Marvel comic will know the state
of total confusion it'll leave you in, but I never tried it with a
Disney comic before. At the bargain price I'll be following it for the
coming months and see if it starts to make more or less sense...

Okay, now for a few personal mails that didn't make it. Those of you
suffering from insomnia, feel free to read on. I have no secrets.

Jonathan first:

From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Mar 8 10:55:17 1997
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:55:16 GMT
From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
To: ornils
Status: R

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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:09:11 GMT
From: ornils (Ole R. Nielsen)
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Re:Skatten der forsvandt

Hi Jonathan,

On Sunday you wrote:
> Can you describe the story "Skatten der forsvandt" in ONKEL JOAKIM 8 von
> 1985? I'm pretty sure it's the same a 4-rows 19-pager I've read in an
> Italian issue.

It is most likely you have read it as a 4 tier story,
since it originates from the Western issue "The Beagle Boys vs
Uncle $crooge" #1. But why you would have read it in an Italian
issue (possibly "Almanacco Paperino"?) and write "...8 _von_ 1985"
beats me. Aren't you the apple-pie American I took you for?

Comparing with the other stories in the series the artist
turns out to be Pete Alvarado - not one of the artists I've learned
to recognize on the fly yet. Along with your information about the
original page count it went straight into the files.

The plot (brief intermission while I read it)...

...oh, surprise; I just did that last week - picked out from hundreds
of issues for my afternoon snack lecture. Harry likes to read all his
issues in order every few years, I just dip in at random. :-)

The Beagles are keeping Scrooge under surveillance to figure out a
way to break into the money bin. To no avail, and -671 can't figure
out why Scrooge kicks in a board to "Duckburg sand and gravel" and
gets fined for it - twice a day!
Note: on the next picture that Beagle's number is -716?!
He also kicks the .... out of a can from "Sandville Canned Beans".
Frustrated they take a day off and go to the beach where -671 finds
out that he has the gift of 'sand-seeking' with their parasol.
That night Scrooge 'steals' the umbrella, but realizes he can't use
it. -671 shows him that _he_ can do it, and Scrooge tells about how
Max McDuck once buried some crates with gold in a rocky desert - in
a place with sand. A flood rearranges the landscape, so he can't find
the place afterwards. Now Scrooge suggests to hire the Beagles to help
him. They take off in a helicopter, and lands first in the wrong place
to get rid off the other two Beagles. They find the real treasure and
Scrooge easily licks -671 and takes off in the helicopter leaving him
behind with a canteen of water. A storm breaks out, lightning strikes
the chopper and Scrooge falls out of it. The gold is scattered all over
the desert, where the Beagles and Scrooge starts picking it up.
And another flood hits the area. "I'm afraid the gold is gone forever!"
"But you didn't fool _me_!" "You didn't fool us either!" "But Mother
Nature fooled us all!"

That's it; does it sound familiar?
If it does, and you actually read it in an American book, maybe you
could tell me if the puns were less far fetched in the original?

-- Ole R. Nielsen

Marco and Harry:

I still haven't seen Jan's translations of Kristian's stories, but
I gave him your mail addresses and strict instructions, so he will
probably find some time from his new job to get them to you (and me).

Glad to hear you got the package, Marco, it only took 3 weeks, where
Harry got it after just 1! Now I'm the one who is waiting impatiently.
Thanks: "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." :-)

Harry: I shouldn't have to tell you, but I desperately _need_ those
special Rosa stories. Put them on my tab, please. ;-)
And I've solved the Mystery of the Timewarped 1971 S Stories.
More later, this is not the place for this discussion.
Ah, on Friday Danish TV2 will show "The Man Who Would Be King".
I consider that to be an [xref:D 95153]...

-- Ole R.. Nielsen
"<YAWN> It's gonna be really <YAWN> boring!" (MM in WDC #609)

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