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Hi, all you who remember me and all those who've recently joined the list!

I am sorry that this is my first contribution to the list this year. All
that =F5$%$ school stress... Anyways, I don't want to bore you anymore but=
ask
some questions:

DANIEL V.A.:=20

A long, long time ago (probably 1995) you said that you might get a copy of
the cartoon "Der Fuehrer's Face". Did you ever get it? If so, is there any
way you can send me a copy (or maybe I could come get it, since I live
pretty close to the Dutch border, and you live somewhere over there, don't
ya?).=20
Do you, or does anybody else know if there's a comic version of it?

DON:=20

I've been re-reading all of your stories that I have recently, after I read
the comments on your LO$ of yours and Dan Shane's homepage and all kinds of
other stuff that has been published on you on the net. Ever since I have=
been
trying to get all of those Yukon stories you and Carl Barks created into a
logical order, but I didn't quite manage to do so. If it isn't too much of
an effort for you, would you mind sending me a sort of a timeline? I think
that might be of interest for the other members of the list as well.=20
Do you have any plans to come on a visit to Germany again any time soon? In
case you have another meeting with the Donaldists, I would really like to
participate. I am one of them after all, but unfortunately they hardly ever=
=20
let their members know about meetings with artists and things alike.=20

Well, that's all for today, Have a great day, everybody.=20

Danny Coenen =09
Guestenerstr. 51
D-52428 Juelich-Welldorf =
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One of the nice parts of going from France to Greece is buying Zio
Paperone. This time I stumbled on Carl Bark's bottle cap story in
Shan-grilla. The little blurb on the history of the story states that
Don Rosa's return to Xanadu is some kind of rendition of Barks's. How
far is this true ? Does "Return..." imply the there was a first Xanadu
story ? or was it Barks's ? Thank you.

Hi there!
Some while ago my entire mailsystem crashed. Not much saved, and most of my
during-the-year-so-far made-up answers for the list was also gone. :(
But I found a file I had saved sometime with my so-far answers. I don't know
if anyone care the least about those matters anymore, but since it's all I
have left I feel I must send it anyway. Otherwise *everything* would be
entirely in vain, and I can't accept that. You can skip the rest of this
message, if you want. It's just me. :|

DON wrote:

>> Disney has refused to allow "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" to appear in
>> the United States without several dozen panels being deleted, totalling 2 to
>> 3 pages of the story. [...] The new politically
>> incorrect concept that readers will no longer be allowed to see referred to
>> in a Disney comic book is:
>> *personal hygiene*.

Mikko answered:

[...]
> Does anybody know whether Bill Grandey has any friends
> at the "Rosa-Cencorship-Apartment-Of-The-Evil-Empire",
> because it sure seems that all these obscure "rules"
> are just made because some people doesn't want to see
> Don getting as much attention as he is getting now
> from Gladstone- and other readers.

I thought there were a law saying that noone can be judged for something
he's done wrong *before* the law/rule has been made up (?). Meaning they
can make up thousands of rules against stuff in Don's (and others) stories,
but this can't affect the story the least, since the rule came *after* the
"crime" already had been committed. Isn't that so?

> (Bill Grandey is the person who spent Barks' European
> visit giving away "background material" about
> Don Rosa for the European press.

Who proved it was him giving information for "War in Duckburg"? I thought
people could only speculate in whether he did it or not...

> Some people
> also call him Unca Carl's manager.)

Some other people just call him: 'The Rat'...

SHAUN wrote:

> GLADSTONE:
> Just a suggestion...put the Barks paintings on the cover, and
> use the not-so-great Noonan/Kelly stuff on the title
> page...the book might get more respect that way.

I'd like to see Rota-aquarells on the back-cover like they have in Italy.
That would make WDC just great!!

DANIEL KENNY:

[$crooge's accent]
> Maybe he could have a low pitched, slight brogue like Sean Connerry...

By awl meansch! ;-)

GOLDEN FLEECING:

So someone has found 2 rejected panels for this story, and put it back, right?
And Gladstone printed this version? In which issue, may I ask? My subscriptions
are *extremely* late (I didn't even get to read "Universal Solvent" in WDC
yet!).

Maybe I should just quit out and subscribe to Gladstone directly instead?

DANIEL v.E. says something about 2 entire rejected pages (!) in the story,
are those among the 'forever lost art' - or did someone find those too but
not print them? Sorry, it all seemed a bit unclear...

DANIEL KENNY:

> $HAUN
> Actually, I DO remember Gyro's helper in "Ducktales", which is kind of a
> miracle since I haven't seen the show in years.

And I'm certain I've seen a couple of DuckTales episodes that had *Donald*
in it! Can someone explain why? Before I had seen those episodes I thought
DuckTales was made up to show that there were other Ducks than Donald in
Duckburg (or something like that).

OLE

wrote about Der Donaldist #98, is it still possible to get a copy?

GERONIMO

He was by all means out during the period of Don's story! (Why would he
otherwise be so secretive about himself? ;-) )

FINNS:

Could anyone of you tell me the coverdate for the bound Rosa-book (KKV)?
I only know it's from 1995, but I need to know which month it was launched
too...

SARA:

> Hi I was just wondering where you get all of the magazines and
> comics from.

Ayia! So *this* is how it is nowadays in the US?! You can't even get comics
without searching around for it?? Gees... (that's *heavy*!!)

> I have only seen a few but they were in a kids magazine.

So they also call our beloved Duck comics... :-/

> The ones I saw were really good.

Of course!

> The comic being discussed now sounds
> pretty good. The one with Donald, Daisy and the three nephews.

That description fits for... *lots* of Duck comics, but I can tell you, most
comics being discussed here *are* good. Not that I read all, but they're not
being discussed fer nuthin', ya know! ;-)

FREDRIK:

> I just checked Four11 and there are two hits on "Dick Reich", seven on
> "Richard Reich" (Dick is a nickname for Richard, isn't it?) and none on
> "(Dick or Richard) Reiche". If anyone wants to sit down and politely write
> to all nine, by all means. The address to Four11 is www.four11.com.

I would, if noone else checked yet (?).

HARRY:

> JAKOB:
>>> There is a Taliaferro-Sunday-page collection in German.
>> There's also one in Sweden. Or *was* some years ago. There were three
>> albums/pockets published of the years 1938-40 (or something). Nothing too
>> special though, IMO. But I'd *love* to see it in English...
>
> There used to be a series of albums with Taliaferro *dailies* in Holland. But that
> wasn't a big commercial success. These albums were also published in other countries.
> In fact, they still are! The "DD day by day" albums in Norway are actually produced
> in Holland!

I think I mixed things up (like always)! I believe this is what I mean. Now
that you mention it I recall they were called "Kalle Anka - Dag foer Dag",
meaning exactly what you've written...

[Harry to Gary]
> What about the "Atom Bomb" story, for
> instance? You already discussed having to change the last panel, but
> what about the merge of the Jippes redrawings with a few "original" (?)
> Barks panels?

I never noticed any " original" panels in the Jippes version. Btw, did I
send you xeroxes of Barks' original yet?? The version I have is the clearest
*I* ever saw...

DON:

> JAKOB: (everyone else skip this looooong story)

Ha! A special Don Rosa story -- just for *me*!! ;-)

> That toy museum with those old KALLE ANKA & CO.s -- yeah, sounds like they
> got me mixed up with two other guys. Are you sure they didn't mean to say I
> create STORIES of the Disney characters?

No, my translation is correct.

> Still, I'm about 40 years away from
> being "legendary".

In the Disney comics world, *maybe*. But as a comiccreator since the mid
50s (hee hee!), you're by all means "legendary"! For example, the PP
stories are almost considered as *cult* nowadays...

[... finding the old KAs]
> but since they were 43 years old and in PERFECT unopened
> condition, he put prices of $20 on each one.

???!?!??!?!?!????!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!! #2 1948 is worth at least a thousand bucks
in the condition I saw it in! And the others from 1948 are almost as worthy.

> He hadn't sold any except the
> #1 which was bought by a kid purely because he thought it was an oddity.

[Reading from here to the end really made me sick!]

> What about the #1? I know the name of the kid who bought it and that he
> lives in New Mexico. But I've tried locating him to no avail.

If you could only share his name...

> Somewhere out
> there is a kid with a KALLE ANKA #1 in perfect mint condition, and he
> probably has it under his bed in the dustballs with his Wolverine and Spawn
> comics. Or worse.

I can tell you, since he doesn't know what a valuable collectible he possesses,
he's probably read it out of the MINT condition mark long time ago. There's
only a few samples of #1 known in MINT condition, each worth at least
$16.000. Somewhere out there is a *kid* who bought it for $20, and not
saving this piece of *history* in a ultramylarsleeve (where it belongs,
whether you want it or not, Don!!)! :(

I... feel URPY... I think I'm gonna'... OOOLLP!

BYRON:

> I'm very proud that I was part of putting together the CBL; proud
> because we went to a lot of trouble to preserve Barks' life's work as
> faithfully as possible. Naturally, it could not be an exact duplication
> of exactly what Barks drew, given Disney censorship ("Donald Duck's Atom
> Bomb", for example) and lousy or missing proofs in some cases.

I'm trying to restore "Darkest Africa" and "Atom Bomb" the way you discribes
since a couple of years. It's hard, but the result is lovely!

Btw, I sent you a private message about this a long time ago. Why didn't
you reply to it??

> When everything important (like the
> story, the layout, the position of the character, the facial
> expressions, etc. etc.) is original, and the only change is the exact
> thickness of a line a fraction of a millimeter long, what's the problem?

I'm talking about the *major* alterations, like "Atom Bomb", "Darkest Africa",
"Race to the South Seas". Of course, you didn't have the original proofs,
but you could at least try to restore xeroxes of original publications (the
way I do)...

> But for those of you who think it *is* a problem, all I can say is that
> you really should step back and look at the forest. It's a much more
> pleasant view than that knothole on the the third tree to the left that
> you've got your nose buried in.

The problem is that we suddenly got to know that the entire forest is
infected with termites! ;-)

[...]
> But I'm certainly flattered that you went all that way to see li'l ol'
> me! And I don't believe it for one second!

That's up to you, of course. In fact there was *one* other reason, and that
guy didn't show up either...

And why wouldn't I want to see you again? Last time was on the same convention
two years earlier, and that was *quite* a short meeting...

NILS wrote:

> Staying with Sweden and Don Rosa: delightful story about the Swedish Kalla
> Ankas #2-10 that you are lending out to the Lekmuseet! I'm two bits
> surprised that this dealer-of-the-old-school you describe didn't sense
> in his bones that pristine mint KAs #1-10 were indeed more valuable than
> 20 dollars.

It's high time someone mentions that there were only 4 issues of KA published
in 1948 (starting in September). The others are from 1949.

> The most famous example would be the ending panel
> of the Atom Bomb story (where the 1947 panel is _very different_,
> also in character, from what is in CBL/CBLinC). Is this the only
> _drastic_ example?

What do you mean? I have the original right here, and the last panel of
"Atom Bomb" in the redrawn version in CBL is similar, except for "Clang
Clang" which has been "removed". The panel/cicle before has had the dialogue
changed, of course. From:

DD: I've got my way picked out to make MONEY - and LOTS of it!

To:

DD: No thanks, professor! I've got more than money in mind!

But no art-changes has been done...

> (a) What is the (current) list of such "banned Barks" stories/parts of
> stories? I say "current" since some stories _have been_ banned but has
> later been published widely (Darkest Africa).

Yeah, but with the art entirely redrawn, and with some drastic changes in
the script. It's not Barks' "Darkest Africa" anylonger, it's Made in the
Netherlands.

> (b) Who has the executing power to say "ban this" & "deban that"
> (except the Pope)?

Most certainly someone who never read the story, nor heard of Carl Barks...

> (c) Who had the actual power to destroy proofs?

"::Coff!:: I vas merrely obeying orrders!"

DAVID:

> The three "controversial" stories to which proofs were missing were
> "Darkest Africa", "Race to the South Seas" (both of which actually exist in
> the original form in Italy),

They do?? Have they been published there yet, or does Disney Italy only sit
on proofs, waiting for someone to un-bann them?

I'm very curious to any news on those two stories (since I'm myself working
on restoring them from bad xeroxes), so PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!

DON (in answer to Eric):

[Cineramas]
> Nay, nay... 360 or 180 degree or even IMAX theaters or films are totally
> different from Cinerama.

I have a vague memory that the panorama-cinema on Euro Disney (or Disneyland
Paris or whatever it's called now) *was* called Cinerama when I were there
sometime in 1994. I understand there's a difference between what you describe,
but I still understand why Eric thought it to be the same.

DIDIER:

[Lunching with Uderzo, speakings of Asterix]
> But the most surprising is that he said that one of his dreams most dear to
> his heart would be to see Disney make an adaptation of his character. That
> will probably never happen, though, as Asterix is not that popular in the
> US and as Uderzo wanted to keep the licensing rights on his cahracter.

Wouldn't Rota's Andold Wildduck be considered as some sort of adaption??

Well folks, that's about all that was left. :| 'The rest is history...'

---
/Jakob

SHAUN :
Censorship ?! What about that Barks story which features Donald Duck
as a snake charmer ? well, it made it through to publication but I
remember Gladstone having strict rule aboutthe creatures...

JAKOB SOEDERBAUM:

> OLE wrote about Der Donaldist #98, is it still possible to get a copy?

You can order #98 and other back issues of Der Donaldist from the financial
manager of D.O.N.A.L.D. and Der Donaldist

Johnny A. Grote
Belvederestrasse 24
D-50933 Koeln
Germany
(Email removed)