After having completed my lurking period and started posting, I've gotten
the understanding that I should introduce myself to the list. I live in
Norway, I'm 17 years old and I've just recently rediscovered Disney comics.
All(that's really not an overstatement) kids here in Norway read the weekly
Donald Duck & Co and other Disney comics, and so very few adults do because
they have some kind of need to distance themselves from what their children
are doing. Another reason that Disney comics are considered kid's stuff here
in Norway is probably that many of the stories in the weekly magazine are of
very poor quality. But as luck would have it, my kid brother brought home a
used issue of one of Gladstone's Barks library. I didn't even know this
collection existed, but I immediately started collecting them as soon as I
found out. I've always loved Barks and Rosa, but their stories are few and
far between in the weekly Norwegian magazine so I stopped buying it. During
the last few weeks I've spent half my savings account on Disney albums :)
Yeah, I should probably also says something about what other stuff I do ...
I read books, favorite authors Edgar Allan Poe, Jack London, Tony Hillerman,
Mark Twain, Bram Stoker and (even though I hate to admit it) Stephen King.
Consider myself a movie buff, favorite directors Sergio Leone, Coen
Brothers, John Woo, Oliver Stone, David Cronenberg, David Lynch, Sam
Peckinpah, Barry Sonnenfeld and John Dahl. My favorite other comics are Sam
& Max, Sandman and those ancient Tales from the Crypt magazines.
I also hunt polarbears and go skiing three hours a day. No I don't.
Author
Topic: 199704
(187 messages)
Eirik Krogh Visted
Introducktion
Message 16 -
1997-04-03 at 22:31:17
Harry Fluks
Greek Komix #106
Message 17 -
1997-04-03 at 22:51:09
I got issue #106 of the Greek "Komix" (or "Comics", as Kriton
likes to spell it) today. I agree with Arthur that the comic looks
very good! The Greek should be happy to have a Disney comic
like this.
In this issue, they corrected Arthur's web and mail address:
web page: http:// www.pi.net./~wolfman
e-mail: http:// (Email removed)
They give it like I type it here. (Wrong again...)
If you really want to become famous, you better change
your e-mail address, Arthur! 8-)
--Harry.
"Hey! Someone put Holland and the Netherlands on the same place!"
"It must be very crowded there, then!"
(from "The New Statesman")
likes to spell it) today. I agree with Arthur that the comic looks
very good! The Greek should be happy to have a Disney comic
like this.
In this issue, they corrected Arthur's web and mail address:
web page: http:// www.pi.net./~wolfman
e-mail: http:// (Email removed)
They give it like I type it here. (Wrong again...)
If you really want to become famous, you better change
your e-mail address, Arthur! 8-)
--Harry.
"Hey! Someone put Holland and the Netherlands on the same place!"
"It must be very crowded there, then!"
(from "The New Statesman")
Shaun M. Knowler
War of the Wendigo
Message 18 -
1997-04-03 at 23:07:10
ANYBODY:
Can one of you fine folks in Europe get me a copy of any kind of "War of
the Wendigo"? I can trade some Amercian back issues and such if needed.
HARRY:
The fact that Disney has permitted "Land of the Pygmy Indians" to be
published, and not "War of the Wendigo" baffles me. But, I believe it was
permitted due to the format of the publication, which was the collector's
albums. They thought it'd be okay, because the people who buy those albums
are Barks enthusiasts, and are not going to mind any political
uncorrectness. But, this should, in thoery, mean that War of the Wendigo
should be able to appear in a collector's album. Hmm? Are ya
listening, Gladstone? :)
-Shaun
Can one of you fine folks in Europe get me a copy of any kind of "War of
the Wendigo"? I can trade some Amercian back issues and such if needed.
HARRY:
The fact that Disney has permitted "Land of the Pygmy Indians" to be
published, and not "War of the Wendigo" baffles me. But, I believe it was
permitted due to the format of the publication, which was the collector's
albums. They thought it'd be okay, because the people who buy those albums
are Barks enthusiasts, and are not going to mind any political
uncorrectness. But, this should, in thoery, mean that War of the Wendigo
should be able to appear in a collector's album. Hmm? Are ya
listening, Gladstone? :)
-Shaun
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #69
Message 19 -
1997-04-04 at 01:10:55
ROBERT:
You (and others) knew what movie I referred to. That's good... but I doubt
that anyone, anywhere will actually recognize the TRUCK by itself with no
hints. I wouldn't have, and I've watched that movie lots of times. I mean, a
truck is a truck... though a reader might notice that this is a very
realistic truck for a Disney comic. On the other hand, my stuff always has a
disturbing "realism" to it, so they might just write it off to my weird art
style.
Anyway, when I was watching some scenes and endlessly backpeddling the disc
as I sketched the truck, I didn't end up with any Mercedes-Benz emblem. I
might check the movie again before inking-time, and see if I missed any
details. The scene I was watching was the night scene when they are first
leaving on thier journey... I guess I should act like I have some sense and
next time watch a scene that takes place in the daylight.
You (and others) knew what movie I referred to. That's good... but I doubt
that anyone, anywhere will actually recognize the TRUCK by itself with no
hints. I wouldn't have, and I've watched that movie lots of times. I mean, a
truck is a truck... though a reader might notice that this is a very
realistic truck for a Disney comic. On the other hand, my stuff always has a
disturbing "realism" to it, so they might just write it off to my weird art
style.
Anyway, when I was watching some scenes and endlessly backpeddling the disc
as I sketched the truck, I didn't end up with any Mercedes-Benz emblem. I
might check the movie again before inking-time, and see if I missed any
details. The scene I was watching was the night scene when they are first
leaving on thier journey... I guess I should act like I have some sense and
next time watch a scene that takes place in the daylight.
Soeren Schridde
Disney comics Digest V97 #72
Message 20 -
1997-04-04 at 02:55:41
Augie:
I don't think of those who don't like ROSA as conservative...
everybody may have his own opinion on different artists...
What I don't understand is that some persons feel offended by Rosa doing
sequels, and that some think, the "original spirit" of Barks goes down
the river when someone else as the original is adding things...
My opinion is that every Disney comic made with such a high ambition and
with so much details in it like Don Rosa puts in his stories (or at
least he seems to ;-) ) is a step that keeps the Ducks alive!
Whether one likes the specific comic or not, every new well-crafted
story makes Disney comics worth to be bought...
Or does anyone want yet another Galdstone-Barks-reprint?
Would anyone buy another Gladstone after completing the Barks library in
Color?
Sorry to exaggerate a bit in the last lines, but those who chain oneself
to the existing and don't look forward to something new - that is what I
think of as conservative (what doesn't mean not to praise the classics),
are simply out of discussion for me.
That had to be said...
and in general: if something is put a bit blunt, it may also depend on
English not being my native language... sometimes I don't have the best
words to express something so that it may sound different to native
speakers...
To put it short: One doesn't have to like everything new... but one has
to be open - minded and willing, to at least have a look at new things!
Some more comments on that?
Soeren
I don't think of those who don't like ROSA as conservative...
everybody may have his own opinion on different artists...
What I don't understand is that some persons feel offended by Rosa doing
sequels, and that some think, the "original spirit" of Barks goes down
the river when someone else as the original is adding things...
My opinion is that every Disney comic made with such a high ambition and
with so much details in it like Don Rosa puts in his stories (or at
least he seems to ;-) ) is a step that keeps the Ducks alive!
Whether one likes the specific comic or not, every new well-crafted
story makes Disney comics worth to be bought...
Or does anyone want yet another Galdstone-Barks-reprint?
Would anyone buy another Gladstone after completing the Barks library in
Color?
Sorry to exaggerate a bit in the last lines, but those who chain oneself
to the existing and don't look forward to something new - that is what I
think of as conservative (what doesn't mean not to praise the classics),
are simply out of discussion for me.
That had to be said...
and in general: if something is put a bit blunt, it may also depend on
English not being my native language... sometimes I don't have the best
words to express something so that it may sound different to native
speakers...
To put it short: One doesn't have to like everything new... but one has
to be open - minded and willing, to at least have a look at new things!
Some more comments on that?
Soeren
Kriton Kyrimis
Lettering
Message 21 -
1997-04-04 at 10:22:45
People have often written to this list to comment on the lettering of various
Gladstone stories, and to complain about the computer-generated lettering in
recent ones. Living in Greece, where word balloons are typeset, I am wondering
why should comics be hand-lettered, or give the appearance of being so, and
why only capital letters should be used. I recently got an issue of Donald
Duck & Co. (thanks, Gaute!) where the word balloons are typeset in mixed case
using a sans serif font, and the result is pretty slick. Isn't this a much
better alternative?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Just remember what curiosity did to the cat."
"Why do you think they have nine lives? And why do you think Time Lords have
twelve?"
-----
Gladstone stories, and to complain about the computer-generated lettering in
recent ones. Living in Greece, where word balloons are typeset, I am wondering
why should comics be hand-lettered, or give the appearance of being so, and
why only capital letters should be used. I recently got an issue of Donald
Duck & Co. (thanks, Gaute!) where the word balloons are typeset in mixed case
using a sans serif font, and the result is pretty slick. Isn't this a much
better alternative?
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"Just remember what curiosity did to the cat."
"Why do you think they have nine lives? And why do you think Time Lords have
twelve?"
-----
Juergen Gebhardt
Disney comics Digest V97 #69
Message 22 -
1997-04-04 at 11:07:11
DAVID GERSTEIN tried to write:
> J=DCRGEN:
> >Also, "Dicker" was only used in the Gottfredson reprints in the book series
> >"Mickys Klassiker" which is now out-of-print here in Germany ...
>
> Actually, last summer's MM-Super-Sommer-Sonderheft, you may recall
> that a story titled "Zirkusluft" appeared. It was actually two
> Gottfredson stories, "High Society" and "Circus Roustabout", one after the
> other. These stories used Butch, and his name remained Dicker even though
> the translations were different than in MICKYS KLASSIKER.
Oh! I missed that one! I vaguely remember that there was a thick paperback
collection on the newsstands, last summer, though I don't remember its
title. Actually, I'm only following MICKY MAUS regularly since last autumn
when they started inserting the character cards with #37. But I find the
new/"old", improved Mickey Mouse stories quite charming, so I'll keep on
buying the magazine in the future. Using Harry's database I tracked down
most of the back issues with Ferioli-drawn stories. I'd prefer the
American versions, but there's little to no hope that many of these Mickey
stories will be reprinted by Gladstone (as against Don Rosa's and William
Van Horn's and maybe even Branca-drawn Donald Duck stories), so this is the
best occasion to read them, though the German machine lettering and
coloring is less than satisfying.
Keep on duckin'!
Juergen Gebhardt
> J=DCRGEN:
> >Also, "Dicker" was only used in the Gottfredson reprints in the book series
> >"Mickys Klassiker" which is now out-of-print here in Germany ...
>
> Actually, last summer's MM-Super-Sommer-Sonderheft, you may recall
> that a story titled "Zirkusluft" appeared. It was actually two
> Gottfredson stories, "High Society" and "Circus Roustabout", one after the
> other. These stories used Butch, and his name remained Dicker even though
> the translations were different than in MICKYS KLASSIKER.
Oh! I missed that one! I vaguely remember that there was a thick paperback
collection on the newsstands, last summer, though I don't remember its
title. Actually, I'm only following MICKY MAUS regularly since last autumn
when they started inserting the character cards with #37. But I find the
new/"old", improved Mickey Mouse stories quite charming, so I'll keep on
buying the magazine in the future. Using Harry's database I tracked down
most of the back issues with Ferioli-drawn stories. I'd prefer the
American versions, but there's little to no hope that many of these Mickey
stories will be reprinted by Gladstone (as against Don Rosa's and William
Van Horn's and maybe even Branca-drawn Donald Duck stories), so this is the
best occasion to read them, though the German machine lettering and
coloring is less than satisfying.
Keep on duckin'!
Juergen Gebhardt
Marja Ritola
Original Publishing Years of Rosa's Comics
Message 23 -
1997-04-04 at 14:06:41
I'm new here, so hello everybody.
I have a little problem and I hope somebody can help
me with it. I study literature and I'm about to write
my... hmm, I don't know what it's called in English,
but let's say it's a 20-page study of some chosen
problem. Anyway, my subject is the intertextuality
between Barks' and Rosa's Disney comics.
But, back to the problem. I need to know the original
publishing years of Rosa's works (for the Bibliography-
section). So, if somebody could help me, I'd be very,
very grateful! You can send it here or mail me
directly - any way you want it.
Thank you!
Marja
I have a little problem and I hope somebody can help
me with it. I study literature and I'm about to write
my... hmm, I don't know what it's called in English,
but let's say it's a 20-page study of some chosen
problem. Anyway, my subject is the intertextuality
between Barks' and Rosa's Disney comics.
But, back to the problem. I need to know the original
publishing years of Rosa's works (for the Bibliography-
section). So, if somebody could help me, I'd be very,
very grateful! You can send it here or mail me
directly - any way you want it.
Thank you!
Marja
A8201960
Letters to Barks
Message 24 -
1997-04-04 at 14:35:48
PER
About this letter-sending buisness...
When I made the interview with CB in 1993(?), a Viennese comics-fan
and photographer was with me. He chatted with CB a little during our
stay in Munich, and consequently sent the pictures he made to him.
(Also the Italian Disney-story with Barks as a character)
What followed was an infrequent exchange of letters, wherein CB
allways started with how sorry he was not to reply sooner. The
letters were all very personal and autographed - but... xeroxed!
So it seems a) the CB-Studio helps with letters (at least from
- seemingly - important senders), b) Carl is gladly willing to answer
AND c) they dont hand out the originals - for obvious reasons...
I can ask my collegue about recent developments. Maybe this helps?
And, yes, I'm back again...
(I hope!)
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
About this letter-sending buisness...
When I made the interview with CB in 1993(?), a Viennese comics-fan
and photographer was with me. He chatted with CB a little during our
stay in Munich, and consequently sent the pictures he made to him.
(Also the Italian Disney-story with Barks as a character)
What followed was an infrequent exchange of letters, wherein CB
allways started with how sorry he was not to reply sooner. The
letters were all very personal and autographed - but... xeroxed!
So it seems a) the CB-Studio helps with letters (at least from
- seemingly - important senders), b) Carl is gladly willing to answer
AND c) they dont hand out the originals - for obvious reasons...
I can ask my collegue about recent developments. Maybe this helps?
And, yes, I'm back again...
(I hope!)
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
A8201960
Questions to Barks
Message 25 -
1997-04-04 at 14:35:48
ADDENDUM:
While my last post bounced back twice (because I didn't recognize
the address-change) a new development occured:
My photographer-friend is going to attend the 50-years-Scrooge-party
and has been granted a (short) interview with Carl Barks.
Being more a fan of the art than the content he is now looking for
some good or original questions to ask.
This is your chance to tell me your favorite question! I'll give them
to my friend and will post the answer here...
He's leaving next friday, till then I need your answers.
Best
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
While my last post bounced back twice (because I didn't recognize
the address-change) a new development occured:
My photographer-friend is going to attend the 50-years-Scrooge-party
and has been granted a (short) interview with Carl Barks.
Being more a fan of the art than the content he is now looking for
some good or original questions to ask.
This is your chance to tell me your favorite question! I'll give them
to my friend and will post the answer here...
He's leaving next friday, till then I need your answers.
Best
Harald
--- (Harald Havas) (Email removed)
Per Starback
New address? (Was: Questions to Barks)
Message 26 -
1997-04-04 at 16:32:34
Harald wrote:
> While my last post bounced back twice (because I didn't recognize
> the address-change) [...]
You all may have wondered about bounced and about strange things
happening in the headers of Disney comics mail. Here's the deal:
Good ol' strindberg has been replaced. The replacement is currently
known as strindberg2, but that is just temporary. Mail to the usual
"strindberg" addresses may have bounced for awhile when it went to the
old strindberg but it didn't react to it, but now "strindberg" is an
alias for strindberg2, so it should work again.
"stp" has also been an alias for strindberg2 for some time. The new
thing is just that mail from there now sets this as the originating
address.
So everything is supposed to work as before, even though it looks a
bit different right now.
> While my last post bounced back twice (because I didn't recognize
> the address-change) [...]
You all may have wondered about bounced and about strange things
happening in the headers of Disney comics mail. Here's the deal:
Good ol' strindberg has been replaced. The replacement is currently
known as strindberg2, but that is just temporary. Mail to the usual
"strindberg" addresses may have bounced for awhile when it went to the
old strindberg but it didn't react to it, but now "strindberg" is an
alias for strindberg2, so it should work again.
"stp" has also been an alias for strindberg2 for some time. The new
thing is just that mail from there now sets this as the originating
address.
So everything is supposed to work as before, even though it looks a
bit different right now.
David Gerstein
Jubal Pomp
Message 27 -
1997-04-04 at 22:47:35
A few months after we last talked about the story, I'm just now
putting the finishing touches on an American script for Romano Scarpa's "Il
ratto di Brigitta" -- which in English will be called "The Secret of
Success". I'm hoping you guys will enjoy how it turns out!
It includes the character who Scarpa originally intended to be
called Jubal Cock. As we suspected, Gladstone cannot get away with calling
the character this, so as I proposed a while back, the character's official
English name is now Jubal Pomp, the "full" name being Jubal Frostfeathers
Pomp (as used by Van Horn in a single story where he briefly appeared).
This should become official on the character page for him.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #70
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putting the finishing touches on an American script for Romano Scarpa's "Il
ratto di Brigitta" -- which in English will be called "The Secret of
Success". I'm hoping you guys will enjoy how it turns out!
It includes the character who Scarpa originally intended to be
called Jubal Cock. As we suspected, Gladstone cannot get away with calling
the character this, so as I proposed a while back, the character's official
English name is now Jubal Pomp, the "full" name being Jubal Frostfeathers
Pomp (as used by Van Horn in a single story where he briefly appeared).
This should become official on the character page for him.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #70
*****************************************
Harry Fluks
First Don Rosa story & CBL
Message 28 -
1997-04-04 at 23:24:56
EIRIK:
> I just read [...] "Son of the Sun", where there are
> several frames where Gulbrand Gr=E5stein [Flintheart Glomgold] is
> clearly portrayed while pointing a gun at our favorite Ducks. How did =
this
> story look in the US, if it was released at all ?
This story was published in 1987 in the USA. This is 10 years ago, so =
probably
Disney had different "standards" then about pointed guns. The Norwegian =
version
is exactly the same as the USA version.
> After having completed my lurking period and started posting, I've =
gotten
> the understanding that I should introduce myself to the list.
This is NOT a requirement for posting messages to the list. However, I =
always
enjoy such introducktions very much! Thanks for posting yours.
I wrote:
> Most of the stories from the Carl Barks Library ("some kind of Barks =
collection")
> were reprinted in exactly the same form (but coloured) in the "Carl =
Barks Library
> of xxx in Color". I know of one exception: the giveaway story "Santa's =
Stormy Visit",
> which was in a better shape in the colour albums.
Eirik:
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here .... Sorry if this seems stupid, =
but
> do you mean exactly the same as the redrawn issues, or exactly the =
same as
> the originals ?=20
The "Carl Barks Library" (CBL) is indeed a b&w hardcover collection =
issued in the 80s.
The web pages mainly discuss the difference between the original comics =
and the
CBL. The soft-cover "Carl Barks Library of xxx in Color" albums have =
usually the same
versions that were printed in the CBL.
--Harry.
> I just read [...] "Son of the Sun", where there are
> several frames where Gulbrand Gr=E5stein [Flintheart Glomgold] is
> clearly portrayed while pointing a gun at our favorite Ducks. How did =
this
> story look in the US, if it was released at all ?
This story was published in 1987 in the USA. This is 10 years ago, so =
probably
Disney had different "standards" then about pointed guns. The Norwegian =
version
is exactly the same as the USA version.
> After having completed my lurking period and started posting, I've =
gotten
> the understanding that I should introduce myself to the list.
This is NOT a requirement for posting messages to the list. However, I =
always
enjoy such introducktions very much! Thanks for posting yours.
I wrote:
> Most of the stories from the Carl Barks Library ("some kind of Barks =
collection")
> were reprinted in exactly the same form (but coloured) in the "Carl =
Barks Library
> of xxx in Color". I know of one exception: the giveaway story "Santa's =
Stormy Visit",
> which was in a better shape in the colour albums.
Eirik:
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here .... Sorry if this seems stupid, =
but
> do you mean exactly the same as the redrawn issues, or exactly the =
same as
> the originals ?=20
The "Carl Barks Library" (CBL) is indeed a b&w hardcover collection =
issued in the 80s.
The web pages mainly discuss the difference between the original comics =
and the
CBL. The soft-cover "Carl Barks Library of xxx in Color" albums have =
usually the same
versions that were printed in the CBL.
--Harry.
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #70
Message 29 -
1997-04-05 at 02:10:55
GARY:
Whoa! It's not possible that "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" could still
be printed in 3 parts. Disney cut too much out of it. John told me it would
be just two parts, with part 2 being what was left of parts 2 & 3. Has this
changed?
EIRIK:
Don't ever try to figure out Disney censorship or Disney policies in
general. "That way lies madness", as the bard said. We've decided that what
they decide to censor depends on whether the boss is touring the office that
day. "Look, boss, see me make them remove those references to prunes in
pockets! The world is safe for another day!"
Since the "flea-prune" censorship episode, Disney has allowed the "Vigilante
of Pizen Bluff" to go through untouched with all its Indians and blazing
sixguns. We know not to try to figure this stuff out since we'd end up
tearing our hair out... and I don't have so much left.
KRITON:
Of course, this comes from a typical American who has grown up reading
comics that were ALWAYS handlettered... but handlettering seems that it's
*obviously* the only proper choice for comics. Everything on the page of a
comic book is completely made by hand, so the lettering should be also. It
has a much, much more friendly, intimate and ... comic-booky look to it.
MARJA:
As with the above reference to hand-lettering, we Americans have certain
built-in characteristics... another of which is that we don't have a very
good command of the English language. It's not unusual for me to hear an
English word from a European friend that I need to consult a dictionary for.
Anyway... what is this "intertextuality"???
EVERYONE:
I have a local friend who tells me he'd like to get a copy of that 1995
Finnish "Don Rosa" hardcover book. As usual, I couldn't help him... I only
have one copy myself. He could pay some helpful Finnish Mailing-List member
for one, plus postage... or I'm sure he could trade something for it. He
works in a comic store.
Whoa! It's not possible that "The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad" could still
be printed in 3 parts. Disney cut too much out of it. John told me it would
be just two parts, with part 2 being what was left of parts 2 & 3. Has this
changed?
EIRIK:
Don't ever try to figure out Disney censorship or Disney policies in
general. "That way lies madness", as the bard said. We've decided that what
they decide to censor depends on whether the boss is touring the office that
day. "Look, boss, see me make them remove those references to prunes in
pockets! The world is safe for another day!"
Since the "flea-prune" censorship episode, Disney has allowed the "Vigilante
of Pizen Bluff" to go through untouched with all its Indians and blazing
sixguns. We know not to try to figure this stuff out since we'd end up
tearing our hair out... and I don't have so much left.
KRITON:
Of course, this comes from a typical American who has grown up reading
comics that were ALWAYS handlettered... but handlettering seems that it's
*obviously* the only proper choice for comics. Everything on the page of a
comic book is completely made by hand, so the lettering should be also. It
has a much, much more friendly, intimate and ... comic-booky look to it.
MARJA:
As with the above reference to hand-lettering, we Americans have certain
built-in characteristics... another of which is that we don't have a very
good command of the English language. It's not unusual for me to hear an
English word from a European friend that I need to consult a dictionary for.
Anyway... what is this "intertextuality"???
EVERYONE:
I have a local friend who tells me he'd like to get a copy of that 1995
Finnish "Don Rosa" hardcover book. As usual, I couldn't help him... I only
have one copy myself. He could pay some helpful Finnish Mailing-List member
for one, plus postage... or I'm sure he could trade something for it. He
works in a comic store.
Deckerd
Disney comics Digest V97 #70
Message 30 -
1997-04-05 at 02:31:58
On Apr 4, 6:10pm, Don Rosa wrote:
> Of course, this comes from a typical American who
> has grown up reading comics that were ALWAYS
> handlettered... but handlettering seems that it's
> *obviously* the only proper choice for comics.
> Everything on the page of a comic book is completely
> made by hand, so the lettering should be also. It
> has a much, much more friendly, intimate and ...
> comic-booky look to it.
I guess to me, typeset word balloons and captions have a
"cheap" look. Like the publisher couldn't afford to hire
a decent letterer and just cranked out some quick and
dirty production. The typeset lettering looks so mechanical
and clashes so badly with the natural, hand-drawn art,
that I'm turned off. I used to hate the German editions
of Asterix because of their typeset word balloons (and
even sound effects, which really looked awful). Then I
talked to some German fans and found out they _preferred_
typeset lettering in comics because it looked so much
"clearer." Maybe it all depends on what you grew up with
and are used to...
Then there was that Leroy Lettering that EC Comics used,
a sort of mechanically guided lettering using templates
rather than freehand. Though still drawn by human hands,
it had an inhuman look to it that seemed to fit the horror
stories that EC published.
>
> MARJA:
> As with the above reference to hand-lettering, we
> Americans have certain built-in characteristics...
> another of which is that we don't have a very
> good command of the English language. It's not unusual
> for me to hear an English word from a European friend
> that I need to consult a dictionary for.
> Anyway... what is this "intertextuality"???
>
You haven't been to college lately, obviously.
This sounds like an example of that academic
voodoo known as "deconstruction," which assumes
that everything is a "text" that can be read by
someone who knows how to look.
--Dwight Decker
> Of course, this comes from a typical American who
> has grown up reading comics that were ALWAYS
> handlettered... but handlettering seems that it's
> *obviously* the only proper choice for comics.
> Everything on the page of a comic book is completely
> made by hand, so the lettering should be also. It
> has a much, much more friendly, intimate and ...
> comic-booky look to it.
I guess to me, typeset word balloons and captions have a
"cheap" look. Like the publisher couldn't afford to hire
a decent letterer and just cranked out some quick and
dirty production. The typeset lettering looks so mechanical
and clashes so badly with the natural, hand-drawn art,
that I'm turned off. I used to hate the German editions
of Asterix because of their typeset word balloons (and
even sound effects, which really looked awful). Then I
talked to some German fans and found out they _preferred_
typeset lettering in comics because it looked so much
"clearer." Maybe it all depends on what you grew up with
and are used to...
Then there was that Leroy Lettering that EC Comics used,
a sort of mechanically guided lettering using templates
rather than freehand. Though still drawn by human hands,
it had an inhuman look to it that seemed to fit the horror
stories that EC published.
>
> MARJA:
> As with the above reference to hand-lettering, we
> Americans have certain built-in characteristics...
> another of which is that we don't have a very
> good command of the English language. It's not unusual
> for me to hear an English word from a European friend
> that I need to consult a dictionary for.
> Anyway... what is this "intertextuality"???
>
You haven't been to college lately, obviously.
This sounds like an example of that academic
voodoo known as "deconstruction," which assumes
that everything is a "text" that can be read by
someone who knows how to look.
--Dwight Decker