>Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 12:22:08 +0200
>From: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: $ 2,000,000 comet/meteorite
>
> It's
>called "Uncle $crooge and the 2.000.000$ meteorite" BUT no meteorite at all
>is mentioned in the story, which is all about a COMET, included the
>explanations by Gyro on what a comet is made of and so on.
Does any of you recall it? Alipio?
>Thanks for your help,
> Marco
>http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it
Sorry, but I never read this story.
Alipio
Author
Topic: 199704
(187 messages)
Alipio D'Oliveira Coelho
Disney comics Digest V97 #69
Message 91 -
1997-04-14 at 13:33:18
RMorris306
Recent Disney Digests
Message 92 -
1997-04-14 at 16:24:09
Hi! Haven't had much time to respond to the Digests lately, and I'm going
to go away again for a week's vacation. So I thought I'd make at least a few
responses before I go...
Laurent Lehmann wrote:
<<If this is the story were Donald lives in the suburbs and must race each
morning to get to work, I strongly concur ! He even hitches a ride on an
hot-air balloon to make it in time ! Excellent stuff, and as is always the
case with Italian Ducks, totally out-of-continuity with the US series. I
mean... Donald eager to work ? Come on...>>
Well, I've always been one of those who tries to squeeze *every* story
in as much as possible. This seems entirely in character, especially because
this is a situation I've been in personally. I suspect it's not so much that
Donald was eager to work as that he had a boss who threatened to fire him if
he was tardy again.
In fact, on a related note, I remember some discussion here in the past
as to whether Donald and the Ducks are supposed to be in the same "universe"
as Mickey and his friends. I never saw why there was any question of that,
since they've appeared in many comics stories together (all right, I can see
not counting the cartoons), including some by the classic cartoonists like
Gottfredson's "Mickey and the Seven Ghosts." Barks referred to Mickey once or
twice, and several times had the Ducks match wits with Mickey's foes
(especially Black Pete). Not to mention the Gyro story with Mickey's nephews,
even though it was a last-minute substitution.
And, speaking of Gyro's last-minute substitutions, the
recently-reprinted story with Speedy makes it even more obvious to Disney
habitues that he *is* a redrawn Donald. Not only is he Donald's size and
wearing his hat, but he's driving Donald's car! (I'll grant that there might
be more than one little red car in Duckburg, but I doubt very much that the
State of Calisota issues duplicate license plates!)
DON ROSA:
Yes, that's a point that, at least since I'm on the list, I haven't seen
made so far...why is a certain Barks associate (*not,* as far as anyone
knows, Barks himself or any member of his family) so down on your work, as
opposed to that of Vicar or Rota or any other Duck artist? Unless it's
because none of them (even Branca or Van Horn) has achieved the popularity
you (deservedly) have...maybe not threatening Barks' secure place in Duck
history, but threatening this particular associate (who, to the best of my
knowledge, had no association with Barks when he was creating Uncle $crooge
and doing the classic Duck stories) and his own place in Disney duck history?
I think he may see himself as Barks' designated heir, which unfortunately he
doesn't have a chance at if he can't write or draw himself.
A final thought...I recently reread the "Pixilliated Parrot" story and
wondered what happened to the parrot after the end of the story? (In a more
recent and sardonic Disney cartoon like "Shnookums and Meat," $crooge would
probably have wrung his neck before he counted his thousandth dish, but I
can't see that happening in the classic Disney milieu.) That's definitely
another Barks $crooge story that deserves a Rosa sequel!
Rich Morrissey
to go away again for a week's vacation. So I thought I'd make at least a few
responses before I go...
Laurent Lehmann wrote:
<<If this is the story were Donald lives in the suburbs and must race each
morning to get to work, I strongly concur ! He even hitches a ride on an
hot-air balloon to make it in time ! Excellent stuff, and as is always the
case with Italian Ducks, totally out-of-continuity with the US series. I
mean... Donald eager to work ? Come on...>>
Well, I've always been one of those who tries to squeeze *every* story
in as much as possible. This seems entirely in character, especially because
this is a situation I've been in personally. I suspect it's not so much that
Donald was eager to work as that he had a boss who threatened to fire him if
he was tardy again.
In fact, on a related note, I remember some discussion here in the past
as to whether Donald and the Ducks are supposed to be in the same "universe"
as Mickey and his friends. I never saw why there was any question of that,
since they've appeared in many comics stories together (all right, I can see
not counting the cartoons), including some by the classic cartoonists like
Gottfredson's "Mickey and the Seven Ghosts." Barks referred to Mickey once or
twice, and several times had the Ducks match wits with Mickey's foes
(especially Black Pete). Not to mention the Gyro story with Mickey's nephews,
even though it was a last-minute substitution.
And, speaking of Gyro's last-minute substitutions, the
recently-reprinted story with Speedy makes it even more obvious to Disney
habitues that he *is* a redrawn Donald. Not only is he Donald's size and
wearing his hat, but he's driving Donald's car! (I'll grant that there might
be more than one little red car in Duckburg, but I doubt very much that the
State of Calisota issues duplicate license plates!)
DON ROSA:
Yes, that's a point that, at least since I'm on the list, I haven't seen
made so far...why is a certain Barks associate (*not,* as far as anyone
knows, Barks himself or any member of his family) so down on your work, as
opposed to that of Vicar or Rota or any other Duck artist? Unless it's
because none of them (even Branca or Van Horn) has achieved the popularity
you (deservedly) have...maybe not threatening Barks' secure place in Duck
history, but threatening this particular associate (who, to the best of my
knowledge, had no association with Barks when he was creating Uncle $crooge
and doing the classic Duck stories) and his own place in Disney duck history?
I think he may see himself as Barks' designated heir, which unfortunately he
doesn't have a chance at if he can't write or draw himself.
A final thought...I recently reread the "Pixilliated Parrot" story and
wondered what happened to the parrot after the end of the story? (In a more
recent and sardonic Disney cartoon like "Shnookums and Meat," $crooge would
probably have wrung his neck before he counted his thousandth dish, but I
can't see that happening in the classic Disney milieu.) That's definitely
another Barks $crooge story that deserves a Rosa sequel!
Rich Morrissey
Anonima Fumetti - G.Goria
Don Rosa On-Line Talk via Internet in Rome...
Message 93 -
1997-04-14 at 19:15:13
During the Expocartoon Comics Convention, Saturday 17 May 1997, from 23.00
(Greenwich time): Don Rosa Talk on-line! You can talk directly with Don
Rosa via the Internet, thanks to Frank Stajano!
Info: (Email removed)
See at: http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/novita.htm and
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/java.htm
***
Gianfranco Goria - mailto:(Email removed) -
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/goria.htm
Comics script-writer and divulger
WebMaster of:
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
http://www.arpnet.it/~fisac/
http://www.arpnet.it/~fumetti/
http://www.cgil.it/fisac/
President: Anonima Fumetti, the Italian cartoonists society
Director: Centro Nazionale del Fumetto, Italian comic art centre
***
(Greenwich time): Don Rosa Talk on-line! You can talk directly with Don
Rosa via the Internet, thanks to Frank Stajano!
Info: (Email removed)
See at: http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/novita.htm and
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/java.htm
***
Gianfranco Goria - mailto:(Email removed) -
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/goria.htm
Comics script-writer and divulger
WebMaster of:
http://www.alpcom.it/fumetti/
http://www.arpnet.it/~fisac/
http://www.arpnet.it/~fumetti/
http://www.cgil.it/fisac/
President: Anonima Fumetti, the Italian cartoonists society
Director: Centro Nazionale del Fumetto, Italian comic art centre
***
Kriton Kyrimis
The E*** Translator strikes again?
Message 94 -
1997-04-14 at 19:24:55
Comparing the Italian version of "War of the Wendigo" (Zio Paperone #84)
and Don's original script that's floating around, one will notice a
prominent discrepancy: there is an extra word balloon in page 6, panel 5!
Specifically, in the previous panel, in the original English, Scrooge
says: "Trained beavers? Don't be silly! Who could train beavers to chew
trees on demand?". In panel 5, Scrooge and one of the nephews react to
a sudden noise by both saying "?".
In the Italian version, Scrooge says something assertive about trained
animals in panel 4, then, in the extra balloon in panel 5, he wonders who
could train rodents (at least this is what I could gather, bearing in mind
that I don't speak a word of Italian), *then* they react to the noise.
It seems that the E*** Translator inserted something in panel 4, and
had to add an extra balloon in panel 5 to put what should have been in
panel 4.
For those who actually do speak Italian, Scrooge's words are:
Panel 6.4: Che hanno rosicchiato gli alberi in tondo, guarda caso! Erano
animali addestrati!
Panel 6.5: Mi domando, per`o, chi possa addestrare dei roditori!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I do not require worship. All I require is food."
-----
and Don's original script that's floating around, one will notice a
prominent discrepancy: there is an extra word balloon in page 6, panel 5!
Specifically, in the previous panel, in the original English, Scrooge
says: "Trained beavers? Don't be silly! Who could train beavers to chew
trees on demand?". In panel 5, Scrooge and one of the nephews react to
a sudden noise by both saying "?".
In the Italian version, Scrooge says something assertive about trained
animals in panel 4, then, in the extra balloon in panel 5, he wonders who
could train rodents (at least this is what I could gather, bearing in mind
that I don't speak a word of Italian), *then* they react to the noise.
It seems that the E*** Translator inserted something in panel 4, and
had to add an extra balloon in panel 5 to put what should have been in
panel 4.
For those who actually do speak Italian, Scrooge's words are:
Panel 6.4: Che hanno rosicchiato gli alberi in tondo, guarda caso! Erano
animali addestrati!
Panel 6.5: Mi domando, per`o, chi possa addestrare dei roditori!
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I do not require worship. All I require is food."
-----
Arthur De Wolf
Don Rosa On-Line Talk via Internet in Rome...
Message 95 -
1997-04-14 at 20:02:48
Hi!
> During the Expocartoon Comics Convention, Saturday 17 May 1997, from 23.00
> (Greenwich time): Don Rosa Talk on-line! You can talk directly with Don
> Rosa via the Internet, thanks to Frank Stajano!
Wow ... that is just great! But is that on Saterday 19th May or
on Thursday 17th May?!?
Bye!
Arthur
> During the Expocartoon Comics Convention, Saturday 17 May 1997, from 23.00
> (Greenwich time): Don Rosa Talk on-line! You can talk directly with Don
> Rosa via the Internet, thanks to Frank Stajano!
Wow ... that is just great! But is that on Saterday 19th May or
on Thursday 17th May?!?
Bye!
Arthur
Harry Fluks
Daisy and Gladstone married?
Message 96 -
1997-04-14 at 21:59:46
DAVID (or GARY):
On March 6, you wrote:
> One Heymans ten-pager, "A Plot Against Donald" (in which Donald
> believes Daisy and Gladstone to be getting married!) will most probably
> appear in July, John told me yesterday.
Do you know in which comic? The writer of that story, Frank Jonker, would
like to know, so he can order extra copies of that comic!
--Harry.
On March 6, you wrote:
> One Heymans ten-pager, "A Plot Against Donald" (in which Donald
> believes Daisy and Gladstone to be getting married!) will most probably
> appear in July, John told me yesterday.
Do you know in which comic? The writer of that story, Frank Jonker, would
like to know, so he can order extra copies of that comic!
--Harry.
Nils Lid Hjort
Horsing Around with 1997 Fan Awards!
Message 97 -
1997-04-14 at 22:12:15
I hope this contribution doesn't unnecessarily repeat what everyone
on the list already knows -- I haven't had the time to follow the list's
goings on lately as closely as I would have liked to. But at least I
haven't seen this topic mentioned.
And what's the topic? Tomorrow, April 15, is the deadline for taking part
in the "Comics Buyer's Guide 1997 Fan Awards". If you have access to the
required form, you may fill it in & send it CBG at Wisconsin. And voting here
means noting down your favourite
editor, writer, penciller, inker, colorist, painter,
letterer, cover artist, comic-book story, comic book,
limited comic book-series, graphic novel or album,
reprint graphic novel or album, character
(you may skip categories for which you don't have a particular candidate).
Well: there are several comments to make here. One is that this sort of
na{\"\i}ve democratic game is very vulnerable to simple "coups"/"putchi".
Get your aunts and uncles and cousin Gladstone and friends and colleagues
on board to vote exactly as you do, and you may have created a "winner",
"the fans' favourite writer" (or whatever). This one could accept with
the compulsory sigh of resignation over the world, and its importance should
probably not be overstated -- this is not the Pulitzer or the Booker price
or the "Damenes Pokal" of Holmenkollen.
BUT if such a coup/putch (note the Russian pronunciation here) is too openly
and too broadly carried out one might consider becoming seriously irritated.
Particularly if one disagrees with the coup-people's chosen candidate, say
for the best story of the year. This happened last year, as far as I could
understand -- people around "Carl Barks Studio" seemed to be doing more or
less what I described above, with the noble intent of "surprising Carl".
We all love Carl Barks -- BUT the literary quality of "Horsing Around with
History", joint work with Van Horn, is NOT, in most people's view,
anywhere near the top of what we all know and recognise as "good Barks".
Each of us could easily put down 10 (or, I would surmise, 100) classical
Barks stories outperforming "Horsing Around". BUT: the "Horsing Around"
WAS nominated last year (did it win?; I never quite found out).
AND: this year the Carl Barks Studio people are at it again. Sigh.
I bless Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby for their valuable and unselfish efforts
(of which I pray there are many). But this I don't like. They supply an
already-filled-out form which they ask you (and then at least ten of your
friends, and so on, ad escalatum) to copy (in your own handwriting),
including putting down "Donald Duck Valentine Story" for favourite comic-book
story of the year 1996.
This cannot be legally faulted in any way, of course, and such a strategy is,
as I said, a simple consequence of the way this vote-counting business is
being organised. But I question the machine-like coup-taste of it all.
My comments should of course not in any way be construed as anti-Barks:
I love his work. But this is a vote for the best comic book work in the
year 1996, and we should be allowed to cling to our illusion of actually
thinking for ourselves,
Potentially overreactingly yours,
Nils Lid Hjort
on the list already knows -- I haven't had the time to follow the list's
goings on lately as closely as I would have liked to. But at least I
haven't seen this topic mentioned.
And what's the topic? Tomorrow, April 15, is the deadline for taking part
in the "Comics Buyer's Guide 1997 Fan Awards". If you have access to the
required form, you may fill it in & send it CBG at Wisconsin. And voting here
means noting down your favourite
editor, writer, penciller, inker, colorist, painter,
letterer, cover artist, comic-book story, comic book,
limited comic book-series, graphic novel or album,
reprint graphic novel or album, character
(you may skip categories for which you don't have a particular candidate).
Well: there are several comments to make here. One is that this sort of
na{\"\i}ve democratic game is very vulnerable to simple "coups"/"putchi".
Get your aunts and uncles and cousin Gladstone and friends and colleagues
on board to vote exactly as you do, and you may have created a "winner",
"the fans' favourite writer" (or whatever). This one could accept with
the compulsory sigh of resignation over the world, and its importance should
probably not be overstated -- this is not the Pulitzer or the Booker price
or the "Damenes Pokal" of Holmenkollen.
BUT if such a coup/putch (note the Russian pronunciation here) is too openly
and too broadly carried out one might consider becoming seriously irritated.
Particularly if one disagrees with the coup-people's chosen candidate, say
for the best story of the year. This happened last year, as far as I could
understand -- people around "Carl Barks Studio" seemed to be doing more or
less what I described above, with the noble intent of "surprising Carl".
We all love Carl Barks -- BUT the literary quality of "Horsing Around with
History", joint work with Van Horn, is NOT, in most people's view,
anywhere near the top of what we all know and recognise as "good Barks".
Each of us could easily put down 10 (or, I would surmise, 100) classical
Barks stories outperforming "Horsing Around". BUT: the "Horsing Around"
WAS nominated last year (did it win?; I never quite found out).
AND: this year the Carl Barks Studio people are at it again. Sigh.
I bless Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby for their valuable and unselfish efforts
(of which I pray there are many). But this I don't like. They supply an
already-filled-out form which they ask you (and then at least ten of your
friends, and so on, ad escalatum) to copy (in your own handwriting),
including putting down "Donald Duck Valentine Story" for favourite comic-book
story of the year 1996.
This cannot be legally faulted in any way, of course, and such a strategy is,
as I said, a simple consequence of the way this vote-counting business is
being organised. But I question the machine-like coup-taste of it all.
My comments should of course not in any way be construed as anti-Barks:
I love his work. But this is a vote for the best comic book work in the
year 1996, and we should be allowed to cling to our illusion of actually
thinking for ourselves,
Potentially overreactingly yours,
Nils Lid Hjort
Harry Fluks
AW: Don Rosa lists
Message 98 -
1997-04-14 at 22:15:15
ALEXANDER:
> who could send me a list of all Don Rosa stories?
I could. And I will, in private mail.
--Harry.
> who could send me a list of all Don Rosa stories?
I could. And I will, in private mail.
--Harry.
Deckerd
Horsing Around with 1997 Fan Awards!
Message 99 -
1997-04-15 at 00:09:02
On Apr 14, 9:12pm, Nils Lid Hjort wrote:
> Subject: Horsing Around with 1997 Fan Awards!
>
> Tomorrow, April 15, is the deadline for taking part
> in the "Comics Buyer's Guide 1997 Fan Awards".
> AND: this year the Carl Barks Studio people are at it again. Sigh.
> I bless Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby for their valuable and unselfish
efforts
> (of which I pray there are many). But this I don't like. They supply
an
> already-filled-out form which they ask you (and then at least ten of
your
> friends, and so on, ad escalatum) to copy (in your own handwriting),
> including putting down "Donald Duck Valentine Story" for favourite
comic-book
> story of the year 1996.
> I love his work. But this is a vote for the best comic book work in
the
> year 1996, and we should be allowed to cling to our illusion of
actually
> thinking for ourselves,
>
As somebody remarked about last year's awards, maybe on this
list, who would have thought that the time would come when
Carl Barks's work would sweep a set of awards -- and you'd
feel bad about it? This kind of organized ballot-box stuffing
annoys me. If the idea of an award like this is to record
the actual sentiment of a broad cross-section of comics fans,
that purpose is defeated by organized manipulation of the
results. Barks is due all kinds of honors, but I want him to
have them honestly and honorably, not because the vote was
rigged. Okay, what's done is done -- Barks swept the awards
last year, so the point has been made, and I assume Unca Carl
was duly surprised and his agent wisely neglected to inform
him that the outpouring of fan appreciation was about as
spontaneous as a professional wrestling championship match.
But why do it _again_?! All it will do is poison the integrity
of the CBG Awards and possibly lead CBG to drop the whole thing.
-Dwight Decker
> Subject: Horsing Around with 1997 Fan Awards!
>
> Tomorrow, April 15, is the deadline for taking part
> in the "Comics Buyer's Guide 1997 Fan Awards".
> AND: this year the Carl Barks Studio people are at it again. Sigh.
> I bless Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby for their valuable and unselfish
efforts
> (of which I pray there are many). But this I don't like. They supply
an
> already-filled-out form which they ask you (and then at least ten of
your
> friends, and so on, ad escalatum) to copy (in your own handwriting),
> including putting down "Donald Duck Valentine Story" for favourite
comic-book
> story of the year 1996.
> I love his work. But this is a vote for the best comic book work in
the
> year 1996, and we should be allowed to cling to our illusion of
actually
> thinking for ourselves,
>
As somebody remarked about last year's awards, maybe on this
list, who would have thought that the time would come when
Carl Barks's work would sweep a set of awards -- and you'd
feel bad about it? This kind of organized ballot-box stuffing
annoys me. If the idea of an award like this is to record
the actual sentiment of a broad cross-section of comics fans,
that purpose is defeated by organized manipulation of the
results. Barks is due all kinds of honors, but I want him to
have them honestly and honorably, not because the vote was
rigged. Okay, what's done is done -- Barks swept the awards
last year, so the point has been made, and I assume Unca Carl
was duly surprised and his agent wisely neglected to inform
him that the outpouring of fan appreciation was about as
spontaneous as a professional wrestling championship match.
But why do it _again_?! All it will do is poison the integrity
of the CBG Awards and possibly lead CBG to drop the whole thing.
-Dwight Decker
Arthur De Wolf
Don Rosa On-Line Talk via Internet in Rome...
Message 100 -
1997-04-15 at 19:10:17
Hi!
> On my calendar I see: Saturday 17th May 1997... True?
Oops! Sorry! My fault! I thought that it was already May and
I saw that next saterday is the 19th!
I forgot that it is still february!
Bye!
Arthur
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #78
*****************************************
> On my calendar I see: Saturday 17th May 1997... True?
Oops! Sorry! My fault! I thought that it was already May and
I saw that next saterday is the 19th!
I forgot that it is still february!
Bye!
Arthur
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #78
*****************************************
NISSE JAKOB KRENCHEL
Don Rosa O
Message 101 -
1997-04-16 at 09:26:34
--- Modtaget fra KB.KRENIS +45 36 874334 97-04-16 08.19
-> IN:DCOMICS-ND(A)STRINDBERG.LING.UU.SE
-: - - - - - - - - - - > COMPLEX NAME OF MHS USER
-> IN:ARTHURW(A)PI.NET
-: - - - - - - - - - - > COMPLEX NAME OF MHS USER
ARTHUR:
Please be patient with me, I'm still not sure, if it is on april
19 or may 17 - I sure don't hope it's in february :-)
*****************
>> On my calendar I see: Saturday 17th May 1997... True?
>
>Oops! Sorry! My fault! I thought that it was already May and
>I saw that next saterday is the 19th!
>
>I forgot that it is still february!
*****************
mvh/Nisse
-> IN:DCOMICS-ND(A)STRINDBERG.LING.UU.SE
-: - - - - - - - - - - > COMPLEX NAME OF MHS USER
-> IN:ARTHURW(A)PI.NET
-: - - - - - - - - - - > COMPLEX NAME OF MHS USER
ARTHUR:
Please be patient with me, I'm still not sure, if it is on april
19 or may 17 - I sure don't hope it's in february :-)
*****************
>> On my calendar I see: Saturday 17th May 1997... True?
>
>Oops! Sorry! My fault! I thought that it was already May and
>I saw that next saterday is the 19th!
>
>I forgot that it is still february!
*****************
mvh/Nisse
Soeren Schridde
ROSA
Message 102 -
1997-04-16 at 21:37:30
Shaun:
Could you send me your snail mail-address?
I have the ROSA ready to be sent for you!
Soeren
Soeren Schridde
Kurt-Tucholsky-Str.1
49088 Osnabrueck
eMail: (Email removed)
Tel./Fax: 0541/150764
Could you send me your snail mail-address?
I have the ROSA ready to be sent for you!
Soeren
Soeren Schridde
Kurt-Tucholsky-Str.1
49088 Osnabrueck
eMail: (Email removed)
Tel./Fax: 0541/150764
Fredrik Sandstrom
Universe(s)
Message 103 -
1997-04-16 at 22:23:59
Rich Morrissey wrote:
> In fact, on a related note, I remember some discussion here in the past
>as to whether Donald and the Ducks are supposed to be in the same "universe"
>as Mickey and his friends. I never saw why there was any question of that,
>since they've appeared in many comics stories together
Since I'm quite new to this list I'll apologize in advance in case I
bring something up that has already been discussed to death around
here...
Anyway, to me, of course Mickey lives in the same universe as Donald.
My personal interpretation is that they were all good friends in their
youth - we can see that in the cartoons - but later when they got older
they didn't see each other as often as they did before. When Donald
got Huey, Dewey and Louie to take care of he didn't have time to hang
around with his old buddies as he did in the cartoons "Boat Builders",
"Mickey's Trailer", "Lonesome Ghosts" etc. (in fact I don't think HDL
ever met Mickey or Goofy in a cartoon)
>(all right, I can see not counting the cartoons)
I'm afraid I can't. Since when is the cartoon Donald not the same
Donald as the comic Donald? Taliaferro's Donald is certainly the very
same that we see on the screen, and I think what Barks did to the
character was not a drastic change; he let him grow up over a long
period of time, never intending to change him into another person.
When Donald comics started to appear there was certainly no one that
questioned the fact that this was the same character that they were
used to seeing in cartoons. And when new cartoons appeared after
Barks's comics had become popular, it was still the same Donald; he
even grew up a bit in later cartoons, certainly influenced by Barks.
This "growing up" I think makes sense because in the early cartoons
and in Taliaferro's comics where we still see the childish
bad-tempered duck, his nephews also seem much younger. (the cartoon
"Donald's Crime" springs to mind)
Don Rosa has written thus about Carl Barks:
>Look what he did with Donald... all he got from
>Disney was a slapstick hothead who threw walnuts at Chip n' Dale.
Well, Donald didn't meet Chip n' Dale before 1947 in the cartoon "Chip
n' Dale", and by then Barks had already been writing Duck stories for
some years... I do get the point though but I still think that Donald
was a lovable character even before Barks; that does NOT mean that I
don't appreciate what Barks did just as much as Don and the rest of
you do.
Further on in the same "Don Rosa on himself" file found on Per's
website, Don says about his story Nobody's Business:
>But as to those comics [Gladstone reads] -- you notice there were no
>Disney DUCK comics? That was to show my idea that in the Duck
>Universe, Mickey Mouse and the other non-Duck characters are simply
>fictitious comic characters... only the Ducks are "real".
As you know by now I disagree with this. I think there is no need for
this solution - it contradicts facts that I want to regard as canon
(cartoons and Taliaferro (Clarabelle appeared together with Donald in
at least one Taliaferro strip, remember? :) )). It probably even
contradicts some Barks facts, although I can't point anything out
right now...
By the way, Don, the Swedish translator / publisher destroyed your
point by putting "Kalle Anka & Co" as the title of the comic Gladstone
reads. (Kalle Anka & Co, for those of you that don't know, is the name
of the Swedish Donald Duck weekly)
Even though I think we should regard the Duck and the Mouse universes
as the same, I don't think having Mickey and Goofy running around in
each and every Duck story would be a good idea... (Mickey would seem
*very* out of place in a Rosa story!) It's nice sometimes, like that
Danish story where Donald, his nephews, Daisy, Gladstone, Mickey,
Minnie, Clarabelle, Goofy, Sport Goofy, Morty and Ferdie went to
Mexico to watch football (but ended up playing themselves...)
I've seen some questionable things, though; the Western stories of
the 60s had a lot of Universe mixing. I remember seeing Goofy, Madam
Mim, Big Bad Wolf and Uncle Scrooge all in the same story... In
another story Li'l Bad Wolf met Mickey. Things that make you go hmmm....
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> In fact, on a related note, I remember some discussion here in the past
>as to whether Donald and the Ducks are supposed to be in the same "universe"
>as Mickey and his friends. I never saw why there was any question of that,
>since they've appeared in many comics stories together
Since I'm quite new to this list I'll apologize in advance in case I
bring something up that has already been discussed to death around
here...
Anyway, to me, of course Mickey lives in the same universe as Donald.
My personal interpretation is that they were all good friends in their
youth - we can see that in the cartoons - but later when they got older
they didn't see each other as often as they did before. When Donald
got Huey, Dewey and Louie to take care of he didn't have time to hang
around with his old buddies as he did in the cartoons "Boat Builders",
"Mickey's Trailer", "Lonesome Ghosts" etc. (in fact I don't think HDL
ever met Mickey or Goofy in a cartoon)
>(all right, I can see not counting the cartoons)
I'm afraid I can't. Since when is the cartoon Donald not the same
Donald as the comic Donald? Taliaferro's Donald is certainly the very
same that we see on the screen, and I think what Barks did to the
character was not a drastic change; he let him grow up over a long
period of time, never intending to change him into another person.
When Donald comics started to appear there was certainly no one that
questioned the fact that this was the same character that they were
used to seeing in cartoons. And when new cartoons appeared after
Barks's comics had become popular, it was still the same Donald; he
even grew up a bit in later cartoons, certainly influenced by Barks.
This "growing up" I think makes sense because in the early cartoons
and in Taliaferro's comics where we still see the childish
bad-tempered duck, his nephews also seem much younger. (the cartoon
"Donald's Crime" springs to mind)
Don Rosa has written thus about Carl Barks:
>Look what he did with Donald... all he got from
>Disney was a slapstick hothead who threw walnuts at Chip n' Dale.
Well, Donald didn't meet Chip n' Dale before 1947 in the cartoon "Chip
n' Dale", and by then Barks had already been writing Duck stories for
some years... I do get the point though but I still think that Donald
was a lovable character even before Barks; that does NOT mean that I
don't appreciate what Barks did just as much as Don and the rest of
you do.
Further on in the same "Don Rosa on himself" file found on Per's
website, Don says about his story Nobody's Business:
>But as to those comics [Gladstone reads] -- you notice there were no
>Disney DUCK comics? That was to show my idea that in the Duck
>Universe, Mickey Mouse and the other non-Duck characters are simply
>fictitious comic characters... only the Ducks are "real".
As you know by now I disagree with this. I think there is no need for
this solution - it contradicts facts that I want to regard as canon
(cartoons and Taliaferro (Clarabelle appeared together with Donald in
at least one Taliaferro strip, remember? :) )). It probably even
contradicts some Barks facts, although I can't point anything out
right now...
By the way, Don, the Swedish translator / publisher destroyed your
point by putting "Kalle Anka & Co" as the title of the comic Gladstone
reads. (Kalle Anka & Co, for those of you that don't know, is the name
of the Swedish Donald Duck weekly)
Even though I think we should regard the Duck and the Mouse universes
as the same, I don't think having Mickey and Goofy running around in
each and every Duck story would be a good idea... (Mickey would seem
*very* out of place in a Rosa story!) It's nice sometimes, like that
Danish story where Donald, his nephews, Daisy, Gladstone, Mickey,
Minnie, Clarabelle, Goofy, Sport Goofy, Morty and Ferdie went to
Mexico to watch football (but ended up playing themselves...)
I've seen some questionable things, though; the Western stories of
the 60s had a lot of Universe mixing. I remember seeing Goofy, Madam
Mim, Big Bad Wolf and Uncle Scrooge all in the same story... In
another story Li'l Bad Wolf met Mickey. Things that make you go hmmm....
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| Fredrik Sandstrom | You can't think straight |
| Finland | when you're raised on junk food |
| (Email removed) | |
| http://www.compart.fi/~fred/ | - The Cross |
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Vsaari
Universe mixing
Message 104 -
1997-04-17 at 01:51:49
In article <(Email removed)> Fredrik Sandstrom <(Email removed)> writes:
> I've seen some questionable things, though; the Western stories of
> the 60s had a lot of Universe mixing. I remember seeing Goofy, Madam
> Mim, Big Bad Wolf and Uncle Scrooge all in the same story... In
> another story Li'l Bad Wolf met Mickey. Things that make you go hmmm....
But sometimes the result is excellent. In the Finnish pocket book #160 there
is a story, where Goofy has got a cold and Madam Mim accidentally gives him
a spell which causes him to sneeze fire. This leads him to funny situations
and I really rolled on the floor while reading the story first time!
Does anyone know who created the story? It's eleven pages in three row
format. I can't find any code.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 9 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
> I've seen some questionable things, though; the Western stories of
> the 60s had a lot of Universe mixing. I remember seeing Goofy, Madam
> Mim, Big Bad Wolf and Uncle Scrooge all in the same story... In
> another story Li'l Bad Wolf met Mickey. Things that make you go hmmm....
But sometimes the result is excellent. In the Finnish pocket book #160 there
is a story, where Goofy has got a cold and Madam Mim accidentally gives him
a spell which causes him to sneeze fire. This leads him to funny situations
and I really rolled on the floor while reading the story first time!
Does anyone know who created the story? It's eleven pages in three row
format. I can't find any code.
--
Ville Saari EMail: (Email removed)
Tallbergin puistotie 7 B 21 Phone: +358 9 682 2226
00200 Helsinki
FINLAND /dev/null: write failed, file system is full
Harry Fluks
Universe mixing (Goofy and Mim)
Message 105 -
1997-04-17 at 17:39:43
VILLE:
> In the Finnish pocket book #160 there
> is a story, where Goofy has got a cold and Madam Mim accidentally gives him
> a spell which causes him to sneeze fire.
> Does anyone know who created the story?
According to the Swedish part of the Database, this must be the story
in Kalle Anka Pocket 158. There it has the code I 1863, which means it's
from Italian Topolino 1863. Currently, we have no data about who created
the story. But maybe Marco (or someone else from Italy) knows?
--Harry.
(After last night, I finally know how to pronounce Perego. Thanks, Fabio! 8-)
> In the Finnish pocket book #160 there
> is a story, where Goofy has got a cold and Madam Mim accidentally gives him
> a spell which causes him to sneeze fire.
> Does anyone know who created the story?
According to the Swedish part of the Database, this must be the story
in Kalle Anka Pocket 158. There it has the code I 1863, which means it's
from Italian Topolino 1863. Currently, we have no data about who created
the story. But maybe Marco (or someone else from Italy) knows?
--Harry.
(After last night, I finally know how to pronounce Perego. Thanks, Fabio! 8-)