Keskustelujen arkisto

Some scattered comments to several issues in that digest ...

PER:
>Please someone tell me how I should phrase it!

How about "He is the father of Donald Duck and of Huey, Dewey and Louie's
mother"? That should be clear to anyone (I hope).

SOEREN:
>hm, no idea... I agree that a museum would be the best (at least I
>can think of), but haven't heard of a Disney-museum in Germany so
>far. Or is there one I haven't heard of and that doesn't move???

There's the central library of D.O.N.A.L.D. (the German Donaldists),
situated at the Landesbibliothek in Eutin. But that isn't public, and it's
not a museum either. But perhaps not a bad place for Disney comic books.

FREDRIK:
>Are you talking about DuckTales _TV_ episodes? And you're saying
>Donald has appeared in them??? Now I'm really curious; WHAT did he
>SOUND LIKE? I have seen Donald in some DuckTales comic stories, but
>never in the TV show!
>
>By the way, was Donald's absence and HDL living with Scrooge ever
>explained in any way? That's what bothers me most about DuckTales...

In DuckTales, Donald has left to join the Navy and is serving as seaman
aboard an airplane carrier. He appears in a couple of episodes, and he talks
like he always did, i.e., quite hard to understand ("What did he say?")

OLE:
> However, the word being Latin, it's "ignoramus" in singular, "ignorami" in
plural - if it is a noun in the first place?
>"Ignoramus, ignorabimus et ignorentes simus" ->
> "We don't know, we won't know, and we don't give a damn!"

The Latin dictionary tells:
ignorare: to not know.
ignoramus: we don't know (as in your quote).
However, in English, someone obviously MADE a noun out of it, seemingly
meaning "someone who doesn't know (anything)". But as to the correct English
plural of that anglicized Latin word - ignoro.

TOBIAS:
>I'm searching for a special Disney character. A little bee.
>In many of the older Disney comic strips are little bees. I remember
>one story f.e. with Donald Duck in his house on the roof of a
>skyscraper. He has a greenhouse up there and is breeding flowers.
>The little bee wants to get the farina of Donalds' flowers and of
>course he gets angry about that. The result is a jolly fight between
>both of them. Finally Donald gets stiched in his bottom...

This sounds to me like the bee used in many 1950ies Disney cartoons.
I remember the plot you describe, but I'm not sure whether it was in a comic
or in a cartoon that I saw it. And somrthing in the back of my head also
tells me it's not Donald, but Goofy fighting with the bee. But perhaps I'm
mixing things up here. I'll look it up if I have time.

>Is there anyone who has some pictures off those Disney-bees???

Of the bee featured in the cartoons, you should be able to find some in any
book dealing with Disney cartoons, e.g., in the movie section of Marcia
Blitz' "Donald Duck" book.

Best regards, Frank

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DON (and everybody else)
>happened in Oakland this past weekend! I found, in a dealer's "junk" box,
>over 50 file-copy mint unopened issues of the German MICKY MAUS from around
>1955-57. We'll never know how these came to be in America, or where these
>file-copies escaped from.

Well, if they are cover-dated 55-57 you found a small treasure (about
$ 100 per issue). But if they are cover-dated 1-4/1951 or 1-3/1952
there is a high probabilkity that they are reprints! Some years ago
Ehapa issued reprints of the very first German "Micky Maus" as
"gimmicks" alogside new issues. The are virtually indistinguishable -
but for one small fact: THE REPRINTS HAVE NO PRICE PRINTED ON THEM.
The originals have a small line saying "75 PFENNING" on the cover.
There has been a lot of evil transactions concerning these in the
last coupl'a years, so that's why I post this "global warning", even if your
issues are sound, Don! (Which I sincerely hope!) ;-)

>DIDIER:
>[Lunching with Uderzo, speakings of Asterix]
>> But the most surprising is that he said that one of his dreams most dear to
>> his heart would be to see Disney make an adaptation of his character. That
>> will probably never happen, though, as Asterix is not that popular in the
>> US and as Uderzo wanted to keep the licensing rights on his cahracter.

>JAKOB:
>Wouldn't Rota's Andold Wildduck be considered as some sort of adaption??

At least there is a DC-version of Asterix, teaming-up with Superman
nonetheless, and drwan by Giffen, if I'm not mistaken... ;-)

Harald
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WILMER

> Now, who on the List attended the 96th birthday dinner this year in
> Disney World? I haven't seen anyone post a report on the affair.
> What was it like? Can someone share with us a description of the new
> drawings which were on display there? Did you buy anything? De-lurk
> long enough to make us all jealous!

Well, I told y'all that a friend of mine, Wolfgang Zenker, attended.
He wrote an article about the event for an Austrian newspaper, which
I'm going to post right here!
...after which, I'm going to condense and translate the key-parts.

So, non-German-readers, please skip...!

"Disneyworld feiert: ein Geizkragen wird 50

Millionen kennen und lieben ihn: Dagobert Duck, seines Zeichens
Onkel von Donald Duck und reichster Mann - pardon - reichste
Ente der Welt mit der bevorzugten Freizeitbeschaeftigung in seinem
Geld zu baden. Und dieser liebenswerte, geizige alte
,Grantscherm" - um einen typisch wienerischen Ausdruck zu
verwenden feiert dieses Jahr seinen fuenfzigsten Geburtstag. So
selbstverstaendlich , wie es scheint , ist das allerdings gar
nicht. Wurde er von seinem Schoepfer Carl Barks urspruenglich nur
deshalb erfunden, weil dieser fuer eine Weihnachtsgeschichte einen
alten, geizigen Onkel fuer Donald und seine Neffen brauchte. Von
daher kommt uebrigens auch sein Name im englischsprachigen
Original: ,Scrooge McDuck", welcher sich von der Figur des
Ebenezer Srooge, des alten Geizhalses aus Charles Dickens
Weihnachtserzaehlung ableitet. Nachdem Dagobert anfangs nur
sporadisch in Geschichten eingesetzt wurde, gewann die Figur
jedoch bald an Popularitaet und wuchs auch ihrem Schoepfer immer
mehr ans Herz, bis ihm dieser im Rahmen der Comic-Hefte sogar
eine eigene Serie widmete. Auch seinen Charakter aenderte Barks
vom anfaenglich unsympathischen Knauserer hin zum dynamischen
Seniorchef seines Imperiums, der kuenftig mit seinem Neffen und
Grossneffen Abenteuer in aller Welt zur Vermehrung seines ohnehin
nicht gerade gering zu nennenden Reichtums bestehen durfte.

In Disney World in Florida wurde jedenfalls am 12. und 13. April
dieses Jahres der 50. Geburtstag des reichen Erpels in typisch
,amerikanisch-wuerdiger" Art und Weise begangen, naemlich in Form
eines Festbanketts fuer die Fans mit ,persoenlicher" Anwesenheit
von Dagobert Duck. Bei diesem Fest war auch sein Schoepfer Carl
Barks anwesend, denn dieser hatte vor kurzem ebenfalls
Geburtstag. Dieser Geburtstag war auch das eigentlich
Bemerkenswerte an den Festivitaeten, hatte Barks am 27. Maerz
dieses Jahres doch sein 96. Lebensjahr vollendet. Und der
Altmeister aller Disney-Zeichner praesentierte sich seinen aus
aller Welt angereisten Fans in einer fuer sein Alter geradezu
unglaublichen geistigen und koerperlichen Frische. Entenzeichnen
haelt offenbar auch im hohen Alter jung. Denn Barks ist, obwohl
er sich vom Comiczeichnen schon vor mehr als 30 Jahren
zurueckgezogen hat, nachwievor als Kuenstler aktiv und natuerlich
auch ,seinen" Enten verbunden. Wie er selbst im Interview
feststellte, macht es ihm immer noch Spass die Ducks zu zeichnen
und dies wuerde wohl auch in Zukunft der Fall sein. Fuer den
speziellen Anlass hatte er daher auch im Laufe des letzten halben
Jahres insgesamt 75 neue Zeichnungen geschaffen. Diese zeigten
zum Teil Szenen aus ,klassischen" Entengeschichten zum Teil hatte
sich Barks aber auch neue Gags einfallen lassen, wobei zu
erkennen war, dass der alte Herr sich einen ausgesprochen sonnigen
Humor bewahrt hat. Die Zeichnungen wurden am Nachmittag vor dem
Bankett im Rahmen einer Ausstellung den geladenen (und
zahlenden!) Gaesten praesentiert. Und da man sich ja in Amerika
befand, wo letztendlich alles ,business" ist, bestand fuer die
Fans die Moeglichkeit, die Bilder zu Preisen zwischen 1500 und
7000 -Dollar zu erwerben. Echten Fans hatte eben nichts zu teuer
zu sein. Fuer weniger Begueterte bestand dann auch die Moeglichkeit,
ein neu herausgegebenes Buch mit Abbildungen dieser Bilder zu
erwerben. Dieses mit ,Barks treasury" betitelte Buch war
standesgemaess in einer einem Tresor nachempfundenen Kassette
eingebettet in Geldschnitzel verpackt.

Am Sonntag Nachmittag wurde es dann nochmals typisch
amerikanisch.. Barks wurde in einem Cabriolet unter dem Geleit
einer Musikkapelle im Triumphzug zum (nachgebauten)
Chinese-Theatre auf dem Gelaende der Disney-MGM-Studios gebracht.
Dort durfte die ,Disney-legend" - ein Titel, der von der
Gesellschaft uebrigens offiziell vergeben wird und Barks 1991
verliehen wurde - in schoenster Hollywoodtradition Namen und
Handabdruecke in weichem Zement verewigen. Mit dabei
selbstverstaendlich wieder der zweite Jubilar Dagobert Duck, der
bei der Autofahrt auch neben Barks sitzen durfte, was einen ganz
entzueckenden Anblick bot. Barks jedenfalls liess das Programm,
das auch fuer einen juengeren Menschen strapazioes gewesen waere,
mit heiterer Gelassenheit ueber sich ergehen und stand auch
seinen Fans fast die ganze Zeit zur Verfuegung. Da Barks im
deutschsprachigen und nordischen Raum eine wahrscheinlich noch
groessere Popularitaet geniesst als in den USA, war auch eine
beachtliche Delegation aus Europa gekommen,um ihn persoenlich zu
treffen und ihm zum Geburtstag zu gratulieren.

Denn echten Fans ist bekanntlich kein Weg zu weit."

Well, I guess I dont translate after all - but just tell you what I
know...

a) There was a nice banquet in the Contemporary Resort with
life-sized figures of some Duck (and - urgh- DuckTales!) characters
attending, there was a special Scrooge cake and lots of good stuff.
They hade some special custom made Disney items on exhibition
there to, like Donald carved in a flat piece of glass illuminated
from below...

b) An exhibition of 75 (!) new Barks' drawings (color-pencils) he
made in the past half year (!), mostly scenes from old stories and
single new jokes like in a daily cartoon featuring all his
characters, was shown.
Everybody got a numbered coin he/she could put in a box besides the
pictures if he wanted to buy it (prices $ 1500 - $ 7000). If more
than one coin was found, chance decided who got it (no bidding).
For less rich attendees there was a book containing a high-class
reproduction with a selection of the drawings with a five-language
description for sale. It's called "Barks Treasury" and was presented
in a nice box resembling a safe, filled with shredded Duck-Dollars
(with a Barks portrait on them). Wolfgang bought one and showed
it to me. It's limited too, I think. And some of the new jokes are really
funny!

c) A selection of fans, old friends and foreign visitors, had brunch
with Barks the next day in his suite in the (restricted) top floor of
the hotel. I think that's where Wolfgang conducted the interview I'm
about to post..
.d) Sunday afternoon Barks was driven, escorted by a marching band, in
an open cabriolet to the "Chinese Theater"-copy at the MGM-Studio. On
his car it said "Carl Barks - Disney legend" an official title he is allowed
to carry since 1991. Beside him sat his 50 year old son...
In front of the theater he signed and put his palms into concrete to be put
up there for posterity. A bunch of journalists attended, but no TV-crew...
Tourists cheered, mostly not knowing who this man was - in Europe this
would have been top-news on all channels, well...

Barks looked good, walked with a stick but could do without, he was
well-mannered as always and chatted jokingly with everoybody...

So much for my short description. If somebody has any questions I'm
willing to forward them to Wolfgang...

So much for now!

And thank you for your patience..
;-)

Harald

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