FRANCOIS:
> Manolo Galdon, an artist of the Comicup Studio, very likely drew F JM
> 88219, "La machine =E0 gommer les erreurs" written by Didier le Bornec.
> This story is not a Disney Babies story, but features the baby version
> of "Lafouine" (Scuttle) in a flashback. Later in the story, we also see
> Pete and "Lafouine" as teenagers (scans are at
> www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/div/at/SCUb.htm).=20
O.K., thanks. :-) I guess for my own purposes I can still mention
"Baby Scuttle" in my own list of Disney Babies, along with the
explanation that he never actually made it into a DB comic, but did
appear with regular DB in non-DB comics. :-)
Curiously, I could not find either storycode (F JM 88219, JM 1871) for
comics featuring Baby Scuttle in the INDUCKS database. :-(
> BTW, "fouine" (= stone, marten) being female in French, the
> character is called "La"-"fouine"!
Can you explain the colloquial context for the meaning of this name.
I mean, I understand it is "feminine" in it's literal translation,
but why do you suppose the creators chose to call Scuttle by a
feminine name? Do they imply that Pete & Scuttle have one of those
"prison relationships" ? :-) Or is it just that in French the word
for a marten (weasel-like creature) is always feminine and poor
Scuttle just got the bad luck of having such a name? :-)
On a related note:
I wonder if there have been any OTHER stories which have introduced a
sister for Black Pete? I know recently in the MM Dailies published
on-line for my local newspaper (The San Jose Mercury News) Pete's
"adult" sister "Petula", who has her own TV Cooking show, was introduced.
Seems she could also be the same as Claude Marin's "Pat Hibulette"
whom he planned to introduce as a Disney Baby before she was rejected.
Another Baby-version of a Disney Character who has appeared in a
NON-Disney Baby format was "Baby Trudy", in the MM flashback tale
by Romano Scarpa "Topolino e la Collana Chirikawa" (the same story
which I believe first introduces the "adult" Trudy, as well as the
introduction of Mickey's Zia Topolinda (Aunt Malinda?). Well,
perhaps the baby versions of at least Trudy & Pete, which were
very crudely drawn by Scarpa, were more of a Toddler age than a
true baby?
> Didier le Bornec didn't make any Disney Babies story, but often
> introduced new characters in his stories. He is the only author of the
> French "F PL" stories, introducing "Junior", "Mina" and "Marie-Loup".
Pardon my ignorance, but I believe "Junior" is the same as "Li'l Bad
Wolf" and "Mina" is his sister, but who is "Marie-Loup"? Thank you.
David Gerstein
> Well, Mina wasn't *introduced* in Le Bornec's stories - "revived" is
> closer to the truth. Her first appearance was in an old W-coded story (W MM
> 90-04, "The Girl Friend"). And although the Inducks doesn't mention it, the
> French P'TIT LOUP reprinted that exact story *right* before Le Bornec's new
> stories with the character began to appear, so it was very clear where the
> character originated.
> In English, her name is Meana (you can tell that with a spelling
> like that, Zeke Wolf thought for sure she'd be a bad influence on Li'l Wolf,
> right? :-)
So then, the tale which was not-so-long-ago printed by Gladstone in WDC
featuring Meana was actually Meana's "introduction" as well? When did
she go from being Lo'l Bad's "girlfriend" to being his "sister" in
French
tales?
Rich Bellacera
Author
Topic: 199910
(147 messages)
Xephyr
Baby Scuttle, Baby Trudy, Marie-Loup & Meana Wolf :-)
Message 1 -
1999-10-01 at 10:34:13
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Forest Kids?
Message 3 -
1999-10-01 at 11:12:53
FRANCOIS:
Ooops! I just did an INDUCKS search on the name "Meana" and came
up with quite a few stories with her in them... all French of
course! :-) And now I see the names "Junior" and "Alfred" alongside
"LW" (Li'l Bad Wolf) so I realize "Junior" is NOT "Li'l Wolf",
but rather "Li'l Bear" (son of Br'er Bear). Thus, I take it that
in France there is a regular series of comics produced featuring
children's tales with Forest Animals sort of an outgrowth of the
regular "Three Little Pigs"/"Song of the South" serials which
have traditionally always been a part of Disney comics, right?
I have always liked these Forest Tales :-), but in the US we have
not seen any of these supposed "Junior Forest Tales" (as I will
call them). Who is Alfred and how many "Forest Kids" are involved
in these tales? Does Li'l Wolf's cousin Izzy ever participate in
these tales?
The Three Little Pigs (Fiddler, Fifer & Practical) have always
bordered on age obscurity. When appearing soley with the Big Bad
Wolf (Zeke) their age was inconsequencial. But, when seen typically
playing with Li'l Bad Wolf it seems implied that they, too, are
"kids." Especially when one of their relatives shows up (like
Cousin Raymond or Uncle Warthog), who typically are larger and
older-looking. Also, I believe, the three pigs are seen going
to school with Li'l Wolf, which would tend to ensure that they
are understood to be approximately his age in that situation as
well. In my mind the 3 Little Pigs *ARE* kids, with Practical
acting as the "parent". Strangely, in very, very old "gags"
drawn way back in the 30s/40s(?), Peter Pig, from "Wise Little
Hen" was implied to be related to the Three Little Pigs as
well.
Along these same lines, I have at least two comics from the
earliest Walt Disney Comics & Stories which featured the Three
Little Wolves, from the cartoons, who, like their father, were
trying to capture the Three Little Pigs. These three "Bad"
Little Wolves, I guess, later *evolved* into the ONE little wolf
we now know, with the addition of a completely opposite dispostion!
What do you (all) think?
Rich Bellacera
Ooops! I just did an INDUCKS search on the name "Meana" and came
up with quite a few stories with her in them... all French of
course! :-) And now I see the names "Junior" and "Alfred" alongside
"LW" (Li'l Bad Wolf) so I realize "Junior" is NOT "Li'l Wolf",
but rather "Li'l Bear" (son of Br'er Bear). Thus, I take it that
in France there is a regular series of comics produced featuring
children's tales with Forest Animals sort of an outgrowth of the
regular "Three Little Pigs"/"Song of the South" serials which
have traditionally always been a part of Disney comics, right?
I have always liked these Forest Tales :-), but in the US we have
not seen any of these supposed "Junior Forest Tales" (as I will
call them). Who is Alfred and how many "Forest Kids" are involved
in these tales? Does Li'l Wolf's cousin Izzy ever participate in
these tales?
The Three Little Pigs (Fiddler, Fifer & Practical) have always
bordered on age obscurity. When appearing soley with the Big Bad
Wolf (Zeke) their age was inconsequencial. But, when seen typically
playing with Li'l Bad Wolf it seems implied that they, too, are
"kids." Especially when one of their relatives shows up (like
Cousin Raymond or Uncle Warthog), who typically are larger and
older-looking. Also, I believe, the three pigs are seen going
to school with Li'l Wolf, which would tend to ensure that they
are understood to be approximately his age in that situation as
well. In my mind the 3 Little Pigs *ARE* kids, with Practical
acting as the "parent". Strangely, in very, very old "gags"
drawn way back in the 30s/40s(?), Peter Pig, from "Wise Little
Hen" was implied to be related to the Three Little Pigs as
well.
Along these same lines, I have at least two comics from the
earliest Walt Disney Comics & Stories which featured the Three
Little Wolves, from the cartoons, who, like their father, were
trying to capture the Three Little Pigs. These three "Bad"
Little Wolves, I guess, later *evolved* into the ONE little wolf
we now know, with the addition of a completely opposite dispostion!
What do you (all) think?
Rich Bellacera
Botto Armando
Zio Paperone and money
Message 4 -
1999-10-01 at 16:29:04
Don's opinion about the price of used comics is well-known among his fans.
Some weeks ago, he re-stated in a message to this list:
<< [...] when old, used comics cost half-cover-price (like they still
should!) >>
Well, last week I read an announcement in an Italian comics newsgroup.
Someone was selling the first 25 numbers of "Zio Paperone", for about 300
dollars. Two days later, after getting somebody's advice, he raised the
price to little less than 500 dollars.
A further investigation in a comics' shop gave the following results: 50
dollars for # 1, about 25 dollars each for numbers up to # 14, about 20
dollars each for numbers up to # 25. In total, about 600 dollars.
The irritating thing is that almost every comics' shop owner will tell you
that he has absolutely no problem in finding old issues for you. So, it's
evident that the absurd prices are not due to shortage of issues. I've
discussed the matter with a number of people (some of whom are real experts
in the field), and everybody agrees that the prices are kept artificially
high, as long as there are collectors who are willing to pay so much.
Now, "Zio Paperone"'s first 69 numbers reprinted the whole corpus of Carl
Barks's work, thus forming the "official" Italian version of the Carl Barks
Library. They were sold at newsagents', and cost less than 2.5 dollars per
issue, at the time. And we're not speaking of the 50es or the 60es: # 1 came
out in 1987, # 69 in 1995.
OK, I know the laws of the market, so maybe I shouldn't complain. I also
understand there may be technical difficulties, as the first 14 numbers were
published by Mondadori, before Disney Italia took over. Also, Disney Italia
is currently re-reprinting some of the oldest Barks stories in the current
issues of "Zio Paperone".
However, I don't like the idea that the main part of the work of the Duck
Master be out of reach for most fans (keep into account that "Zio Paperone"
followed a chronological order, so the first issues are those that reprinted
the "classic" stories).
IMHO, if Disney Italia were to reprint # 1 to # 69 of "Zio Paperone" for the
newsagents' market, they wouldn't have problems in finding enthusiastic
buyers. They would assert once more the value of Barks's art, and they would
also make some money (I suspect this last statement to be the most important
for them... ;-))
Also, I guess they wouldn't damage too much the "antiquarian" market of the
original ZP series (even if I couldn't care less about that), as there'll
always be someone willing to pay through the nose to have the "first
edition" of anything (I've seen this happen for lots of comics series
already reprinted in Italy).
Sorry for the long rant. Maybe it was not that interesting to non-Italian
members, but I suspect the problem of used comics' prices is very
generalized...
Ciao,
Armando
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #171
******************************************
Some weeks ago, he re-stated in a message to this list:
<< [...] when old, used comics cost half-cover-price (like they still
should!) >>
Well, last week I read an announcement in an Italian comics newsgroup.
Someone was selling the first 25 numbers of "Zio Paperone", for about 300
dollars. Two days later, after getting somebody's advice, he raised the
price to little less than 500 dollars.
A further investigation in a comics' shop gave the following results: 50
dollars for # 1, about 25 dollars each for numbers up to # 14, about 20
dollars each for numbers up to # 25. In total, about 600 dollars.
The irritating thing is that almost every comics' shop owner will tell you
that he has absolutely no problem in finding old issues for you. So, it's
evident that the absurd prices are not due to shortage of issues. I've
discussed the matter with a number of people (some of whom are real experts
in the field), and everybody agrees that the prices are kept artificially
high, as long as there are collectors who are willing to pay so much.
Now, "Zio Paperone"'s first 69 numbers reprinted the whole corpus of Carl
Barks's work, thus forming the "official" Italian version of the Carl Barks
Library. They were sold at newsagents', and cost less than 2.5 dollars per
issue, at the time. And we're not speaking of the 50es or the 60es: # 1 came
out in 1987, # 69 in 1995.
OK, I know the laws of the market, so maybe I shouldn't complain. I also
understand there may be technical difficulties, as the first 14 numbers were
published by Mondadori, before Disney Italia took over. Also, Disney Italia
is currently re-reprinting some of the oldest Barks stories in the current
issues of "Zio Paperone".
However, I don't like the idea that the main part of the work of the Duck
Master be out of reach for most fans (keep into account that "Zio Paperone"
followed a chronological order, so the first issues are those that reprinted
the "classic" stories).
IMHO, if Disney Italia were to reprint # 1 to # 69 of "Zio Paperone" for the
newsagents' market, they wouldn't have problems in finding enthusiastic
buyers. They would assert once more the value of Barks's art, and they would
also make some money (I suspect this last statement to be the most important
for them... ;-))
Also, I guess they wouldn't damage too much the "antiquarian" market of the
original ZP series (even if I couldn't care less about that), as there'll
always be someone willing to pay through the nose to have the "first
edition" of anything (I've seen this happen for lots of comics series
already reprinted in Italy).
Sorry for the long rant. Maybe it was not that interesting to non-Italian
members, but I suspect the problem of used comics' prices is very
generalized...
Ciao,
Armando
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #171
******************************************
Marco Barlotti
Anders: Mathematics, Ducks, and Evilness... ;-)
Message 5 -
1999-10-01 at 17:21:53
At 19:53:38 28/09/99 +0200, "Anders Chr. Sivebaek" <(Email removed)>
wrote:
>
>
MB> I'll tell you this. When I teach Mathematics I often use names like
MB>"Pippo, Pluto, Paperino" (Goofy, Pluto, Donald)
MB> for unknowns (instead of the more usual x, y, z).
>How funny... what does the head of school say to that??
No "head of school" at the University... that's one of our privileges! ;-)
But have you seen the "logo" of the home page for my Math Course?
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Istituzioni
(and clicking on the image you get a larger picture)
You will understand that I made Duck interference in my teaching almost
official...
Ah, and most of the probability tests I give at the written examinations
deal with Calisota and Brutopia. I remember one on sink basins...
MB> and a very
MB> famous political cartoonist (Forattini) ten years ago used many Disney
MB> characters to portrait government people (not Fethry though)...
>Who was Scrooge then? someone we've heard of??
If I remember (but then again maybe I don't) it was Gianni Agnelli, owner
of the FIAT automobile factory, one of the biggest capitalists in Italy,
now (as a life-time senator) a supporter of the center-left (???) government.
You should have heard about him...
MB> but then after all I'm
MB> the evil mailing-list memeber, don't you remember? ;-) ;-)
>What's this about? Is marco an evil person?? ;-)
This was meant to be a joke for long-term members of this list. A couple of
years ago I sort of started a "campaign" on the (very bad IMHO)
translations of Don Rosa's stories on "Zio Paperone".
Gross mistakes (like e. g. taking the wrong meaning of the word "compass"
and translating it as the instrument to draw circles when it was obviously
meant to be the instrument to point north...) and large misunderstandings
of Don's dialogues made me speak of an <Evil Translator>. I was trying to
depict an unknown, maybe "superior" being, a sort of Puck if you can see
what I mean, who enjoyed making translations wrong. It was meant as a joke,
against no-one in particular.
But it turned out that the translator was KNOWN to Don and to others (but
not to me). And that she is the kindest ever person to work in the staff of
Walt Disney Italy (I can confirm this fact having afterwards met her!).
This of course had nothing to do with her translations being correct (they
were NOT...) but the term "Evil Translator" was considered too hard and I
was (rightly) scolded for this. I am still very sorry that I was believed
to think of that person as "Evil" (I NEVER did!) so I rather call MYSELF
"Evil" to stress the fact that I can freely joke using this word... I don't
mean myself to be evil, either!!!
(And I'm glad to add that after a few months that person stopped making
translations...)
>>Let's
>> rejoice then: "Somewhere in Nowhere" isn't nowhere anymore; it's
>>somewhere
>> in Italy! :-)
>Hmmm. It's somewhere here too, if I might say so. I wont say where I got
>the copies though
...and as I said, I have **never** seen this story!!! (Hint, hint...)
Marco
wrote:
>
>
MB> I'll tell you this. When I teach Mathematics I often use names like
MB>"Pippo, Pluto, Paperino" (Goofy, Pluto, Donald)
MB> for unknowns (instead of the more usual x, y, z).
>How funny... what does the head of school say to that??
No "head of school" at the University... that's one of our privileges! ;-)
But have you seen the "logo" of the home page for my Math Course?
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Istituzioni
(and clicking on the image you get a larger picture)
You will understand that I made Duck interference in my teaching almost
official...
Ah, and most of the probability tests I give at the written examinations
deal with Calisota and Brutopia. I remember one on sink basins...
MB> and a very
MB> famous political cartoonist (Forattini) ten years ago used many Disney
MB> characters to portrait government people (not Fethry though)...
>Who was Scrooge then? someone we've heard of??
If I remember (but then again maybe I don't) it was Gianni Agnelli, owner
of the FIAT automobile factory, one of the biggest capitalists in Italy,
now (as a life-time senator) a supporter of the center-left (???) government.
You should have heard about him...
MB> but then after all I'm
MB> the evil mailing-list memeber, don't you remember? ;-) ;-)
>What's this about? Is marco an evil person?? ;-)
This was meant to be a joke for long-term members of this list. A couple of
years ago I sort of started a "campaign" on the (very bad IMHO)
translations of Don Rosa's stories on "Zio Paperone".
Gross mistakes (like e. g. taking the wrong meaning of the word "compass"
and translating it as the instrument to draw circles when it was obviously
meant to be the instrument to point north...) and large misunderstandings
of Don's dialogues made me speak of an <Evil Translator>. I was trying to
depict an unknown, maybe "superior" being, a sort of Puck if you can see
what I mean, who enjoyed making translations wrong. It was meant as a joke,
against no-one in particular.
But it turned out that the translator was KNOWN to Don and to others (but
not to me). And that she is the kindest ever person to work in the staff of
Walt Disney Italy (I can confirm this fact having afterwards met her!).
This of course had nothing to do with her translations being correct (they
were NOT...) but the term "Evil Translator" was considered too hard and I
was (rightly) scolded for this. I am still very sorry that I was believed
to think of that person as "Evil" (I NEVER did!) so I rather call MYSELF
"Evil" to stress the fact that I can freely joke using this word... I don't
mean myself to be evil, either!!!
(And I'm glad to add that after a few months that person stopped making
translations...)
>>Let's
>> rejoice then: "Somewhere in Nowhere" isn't nowhere anymore; it's
>>somewhere
>> in Italy! :-)
>Hmmm. It's somewhere here too, if I might say so. I wont say where I got
>the copies though
...and as I said, I have **never** seen this story!!! (Hint, hint...)
Marco
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Thanks to Harry, help for Vidar
Message 6 -
1999-10-01 at 21:57:41
HARRY
Thanks for putting those pancake-photos there:-)
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:35:26 +0200
> From: Michael Naiman <(Email removed)>
> To: (Email removed)
> Subject: SIN and more
> Re: comments in the last Digest (from Daniel E?)----
It was me, AC
> >I hope too. No more censorings of barks-masterpieces or I'm gonna do
> >something bad to someone...
> The SIN story is certainly no "masterpiece" and only loosely connected to
> Carl via an idea for a story
Well, I care little if it's a masterpiece when it has just a little thin to
do with Barks, no stories should be treated the way Egmont does with some
stories. eg. the first Rosa-stories published here, and still the
barks-stories... they are not published properly in thew weekly when they
cut one panel per issue, to make their summary. They have done it otherwise
once, and should do: put the summary, maybe with two panels to show what
happened lastly, on the page before the story. Not on the same page as you
do in germany, because there could actually be a reason why barks, Rosa or
anyone else composed their comic-pages as they did, and that shouldn't be
altered be a half-page commercial for some rubbish...
Bottom-line, no stories deserve to be threathen as they have sometimes (not
as more now, as before luckily) bean threathen at Egmont and back then at
Gutenberghus. It happens to the stories that where first published in one
issue, and here in 3 or 4 issues... then 2 or 3, or even 4 or 6 panels are
cut. It has happened to the mouse master (IMHO) Murry too (You see I can't
really say if Gottfredson is a master, cause I have only seen 3 stories by
him or so... what i saw was good, and luckily he hasn't been mutilated ...)
VIDAR
> I'm currently updating my pages about religion i Duckburg
> and hope I'll finish the pages soon, but I need some help.
> If I get an answer to the following questions I can finish my page
> about witches (and a sorceress).
> 1) "The Unsafe Safe" (US 38-02):
> What does the sign outside Magica's house say on page 8?
Because of Rob Klein, who kindly gave me an album with this story
I can answer this:(CBL in color - US 37)
"Spells cast
Hexes hexed
Evil eyes
refueled
Black cats
for rent
> 4) "A Matter of Some Gravity" (D 96001)
> What does Magica say in panel1, page 3?
Haha... what a fun thing she says:
"But I see this wand is worth what I paid for it at the sorceress
convention in Lucca!"
> 5) "A Little Something Special" (D 96325)
> What does Magica buy in panel 3, page 6
> and what does the shopkeeper say in panel 6?
I wish I could answer this, but I can't... haven't got it.
yours
AC
Thanks for putting those pancake-photos there:-)
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:35:26 +0200
> From: Michael Naiman <(Email removed)>
> To: (Email removed)
> Subject: SIN and more
> Re: comments in the last Digest (from Daniel E?)----
It was me, AC
> >I hope too. No more censorings of barks-masterpieces or I'm gonna do
> >something bad to someone...
> The SIN story is certainly no "masterpiece" and only loosely connected to
> Carl via an idea for a story
Well, I care little if it's a masterpiece when it has just a little thin to
do with Barks, no stories should be treated the way Egmont does with some
stories. eg. the first Rosa-stories published here, and still the
barks-stories... they are not published properly in thew weekly when they
cut one panel per issue, to make their summary. They have done it otherwise
once, and should do: put the summary, maybe with two panels to show what
happened lastly, on the page before the story. Not on the same page as you
do in germany, because there could actually be a reason why barks, Rosa or
anyone else composed their comic-pages as they did, and that shouldn't be
altered be a half-page commercial for some rubbish...
Bottom-line, no stories deserve to be threathen as they have sometimes (not
as more now, as before luckily) bean threathen at Egmont and back then at
Gutenberghus. It happens to the stories that where first published in one
issue, and here in 3 or 4 issues... then 2 or 3, or even 4 or 6 panels are
cut. It has happened to the mouse master (IMHO) Murry too (You see I can't
really say if Gottfredson is a master, cause I have only seen 3 stories by
him or so... what i saw was good, and luckily he hasn't been mutilated ...)
VIDAR
> I'm currently updating my pages about religion i Duckburg
> and hope I'll finish the pages soon, but I need some help.
> If I get an answer to the following questions I can finish my page
> about witches (and a sorceress).
> 1) "The Unsafe Safe" (US 38-02):
> What does the sign outside Magica's house say on page 8?
Because of Rob Klein, who kindly gave me an album with this story
I can answer this:(CBL in color - US 37)
"Spells cast
Hexes hexed
Evil eyes
refueled
Black cats
for rent
> 4) "A Matter of Some Gravity" (D 96001)
> What does Magica say in panel1, page 3?
Haha... what a fun thing she says:
"But I see this wand is worth what I paid for it at the sorceress
convention in Lucca!"
> 5) "A Little Something Special" (D 96325)
> What does Magica buy in panel 3, page 6
> and what does the shopkeeper say in panel 6?
I wish I could answer this, but I can't... haven't got it.
yours
AC
Francois Willot
Baby Scuttle, Baby Trudy, Marie-Loup & Meana Wolf :-)
Message 7 -
1999-10-01 at 23:26:41
Rich:
> > Manolo Galdon, an artist of the Comicup Studio, very likely drew F
> > JM 88219, "La machine =E0 gommer les erreurs" written by Didier
> > le Bornec. This story is not a Disney Babies story, but features
> > the baby version of "Lafouine" (Scuttle) in a flashback.
>
> Curiously, I could not find either storycode (F JM 88219, JM 1871) for
> comics featuring Baby Scuttle in the INDUCKS database. :-(
This piece of information will be included in the next version of the
database. (You can already find it at
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/19990830/F-jm1364.htm
however).
> > BTW, "fouine" (= stone, marten) being female in French, the
> > character is called "La"-"fouine"!
>
> Can you explain the colloquial context for the meaning of this name.
> I mean, I understand it is "feminine" in it's literal translation,
> but why do you suppose the creators chose to call Scuttle by a
> feminine name? Do they imply that Pete & Scuttle have one of those
> "prison relationships" ? :-)
Certainly not! I'm sure a "fouine" (maybe like a "weasel") has been a
common "popular image" of a villain in "animal" tales (I'm thinking of
"Le roman de renard" and other tales illustrated by Benjamin Rabier in
France). Is that correct that martens steal eggs? It may simply come
from this.
Attributing a "feminime" name to a male character does not shock anyone
at all (in France that is). Famous French robbers did have feminime
nicknames in the past.
I can think of another instance of this in disney comics: "Latrique" is
one of Squinch's French names.
> > Didier le Bornec didn't make any Disney Babies story, but often
> > introduced new characters in his stories. He is the only author
> > of the French "F PL" stories, introducing "Junior", "Mina"
> > and "Marie-Loup".
>
> I believe "Junior" is the same as "Li'l Bad Wolf" and "Mina" is
> his sister, but who is "Marie-Loup"?
The full name of "Junior" is "Boniface Junior" (Boniface is the French
name of Brer Bear). He is the son of Brer Bear, not L'il Bad Wolf.
Junior is supposed to be around 8 years old, like his friends P'tit
Loup, Mina and Alfred.
He was modelled on Brer Bear's kids which appeared in US comics. The
editor and writer decided that Brer Bear has only one kid. Indeed
Boniface and his son indeed appeared together in the first French
stories. But now, Boniface almost never appears, and we only see
Junior (in the same classroom as P'tit Loup, Alfred, and Mina, but
without the 3 little pigs).
Didier le Bornec made P'tit Loup younger than in the USA comics,
so Junior is probably not one of Boniface's younger kids (which do not
exist in the French "universe").
Regarding Marie-Loup, she is Zeke's fiancee, an original creation. But
she is not the mother of L'il Bad Wolf.
Mina is the French version of "Meana". She is not related to L'il Bad
Wolf. She is not the fiancee of P'tit Loup (as in the USA comics?), only
a school friend.
Mina was used in P'tit Loup mostly for the girls who read the comic.
Finally - about "Alfred": he is the son of Brer Wolf (who no more
appears in French comics).
Francois
> > Manolo Galdon, an artist of the Comicup Studio, very likely drew F
> > JM 88219, "La machine =E0 gommer les erreurs" written by Didier
> > le Bornec. This story is not a Disney Babies story, but features
> > the baby version of "Lafouine" (Scuttle) in a flashback.
>
> Curiously, I could not find either storycode (F JM 88219, JM 1871) for
> comics featuring Baby Scuttle in the INDUCKS database. :-(
This piece of information will be included in the next version of the
database. (You can already find it at
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/~willot/19990830/F-jm1364.htm
however).
> > BTW, "fouine" (= stone, marten) being female in French, the
> > character is called "La"-"fouine"!
>
> Can you explain the colloquial context for the meaning of this name.
> I mean, I understand it is "feminine" in it's literal translation,
> but why do you suppose the creators chose to call Scuttle by a
> feminine name? Do they imply that Pete & Scuttle have one of those
> "prison relationships" ? :-)
Certainly not! I'm sure a "fouine" (maybe like a "weasel") has been a
common "popular image" of a villain in "animal" tales (I'm thinking of
"Le roman de renard" and other tales illustrated by Benjamin Rabier in
France). Is that correct that martens steal eggs? It may simply come
from this.
Attributing a "feminime" name to a male character does not shock anyone
at all (in France that is). Famous French robbers did have feminime
nicknames in the past.
I can think of another instance of this in disney comics: "Latrique" is
one of Squinch's French names.
> > Didier le Bornec didn't make any Disney Babies story, but often
> > introduced new characters in his stories. He is the only author
> > of the French "F PL" stories, introducing "Junior", "Mina"
> > and "Marie-Loup".
>
> I believe "Junior" is the same as "Li'l Bad Wolf" and "Mina" is
> his sister, but who is "Marie-Loup"?
The full name of "Junior" is "Boniface Junior" (Boniface is the French
name of Brer Bear). He is the son of Brer Bear, not L'il Bad Wolf.
Junior is supposed to be around 8 years old, like his friends P'tit
Loup, Mina and Alfred.
He was modelled on Brer Bear's kids which appeared in US comics. The
editor and writer decided that Brer Bear has only one kid. Indeed
Boniface and his son indeed appeared together in the first French
stories. But now, Boniface almost never appears, and we only see
Junior (in the same classroom as P'tit Loup, Alfred, and Mina, but
without the 3 little pigs).
Didier le Bornec made P'tit Loup younger than in the USA comics,
so Junior is probably not one of Boniface's younger kids (which do not
exist in the French "universe").
Regarding Marie-Loup, she is Zeke's fiancee, an original creation. But
she is not the mother of L'il Bad Wolf.
Mina is the French version of "Meana". She is not related to L'il Bad
Wolf. She is not the fiancee of P'tit Loup (as in the USA comics?), only
a school friend.
Mina was used in P'tit Loup mostly for the girls who read the comic.
Finally - about "Alfred": he is the son of Brer Wolf (who no more
appears in French comics).
Francois
Vainio Jyrki
Lydia once more
Message 8 -
1999-10-01 at 23:31:59
Once more I'm bringing up the topic of the song "Lydia the tattooed Lady"
- but only briefly this time.
Way back when this was first discussed on the list somebody posted the
full lyrics of the song on the list. If that person or anyone else
happens to have access to the SHEET MUSIC of this song, please e-mail me
privately.
Thanks,
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland
- but only briefly this time.
Way back when this was first discussed on the list somebody posted the
full lyrics of the song on the list. If that person or anyone else
happens to have access to the SHEET MUSIC of this song, please e-mail me
privately.
Thanks,
---Jyrki Vainio, Finland
Francois Willot
Forest Kids?
Message 9 -
1999-10-01 at 23:56:34
RICH:
> Ooops! I just did an INDUCKS search on the name "Meana" and came
> up with quite a few stories with her in them... all French of
> course! :-)
And I didn't notice this 2nd mail you wrote either, when I replied to
the first one!
> And now I see the names "Junior" and "Alfred" alongside
> "LW" (Li'l Bad Wolf) so I realize "Junior" is NOT "Li'l Wolf",
> but rather "Li'l Bear" (son of Br'er Bear). Thus, I take it that
> in France there is a regular series of comics produced featuring
> children's tales with Forest Animals sort of an outgrowth of the
> regular "Three Little Pigs"/"Song of the South" serials which
> have traditionally always been a part of Disney comics, right?
Exactly. The first issues of "P'tit Loup" had reprints of comics from
the US (Western comic stories). Soon new stories appeared, with Junior,
Alfred, Mina and L'il Bad Wolf, all of them being in the same classroom.
They are no more in the middle of a forest, but in a very little town (a
forest however is located near that city, as we sometimes see them in
their old universe too). Zeke and Marie-Loup are the only regular adult
characters. Brer Wolf and Brer Bear have have disappeared (as well as
the 3 little pigs).
These are I think all the characters currently used; I've never seen
Cousin Izzy in these comics (and the age of the three little pigs is not
"revealed" here unfortunately!).
Francois
> Ooops! I just did an INDUCKS search on the name "Meana" and came
> up with quite a few stories with her in them... all French of
> course! :-)
And I didn't notice this 2nd mail you wrote either, when I replied to
the first one!
> And now I see the names "Junior" and "Alfred" alongside
> "LW" (Li'l Bad Wolf) so I realize "Junior" is NOT "Li'l Wolf",
> but rather "Li'l Bear" (son of Br'er Bear). Thus, I take it that
> in France there is a regular series of comics produced featuring
> children's tales with Forest Animals sort of an outgrowth of the
> regular "Three Little Pigs"/"Song of the South" serials which
> have traditionally always been a part of Disney comics, right?
Exactly. The first issues of "P'tit Loup" had reprints of comics from
the US (Western comic stories). Soon new stories appeared, with Junior,
Alfred, Mina and L'il Bad Wolf, all of them being in the same classroom.
They are no more in the middle of a forest, but in a very little town (a
forest however is located near that city, as we sometimes see them in
their old universe too). Zeke and Marie-Loup are the only regular adult
characters. Brer Wolf and Brer Bear have have disappeared (as well as
the 3 little pigs).
These are I think all the characters currently used; I've never seen
Cousin Izzy in these comics (and the age of the three little pigs is not
"revealed" here unfortunately!).
Francois
Georgios Balanikas
KOMIX #135
Message 10 -
1999-10-02 at 02:22:12
The KOMIX #136 is out on the newstands.
The cover is a beautiful composition of the Donald oil painting by
Gottfried Helnwein (although they don't know).
In the correspondence column there is a long letter of the fellow member
Anders Sivebaek in which he explains how he first met the KOMIX publication
in Greece.
Additionally ,as Don Rosa noticed ,they are going to publish in the very
next issue his story"Last Sled to Dawson".
I also noticed that they have raised the prices of the back issues. I
wonder how they confine the prices of the back issues , even the recent ones
, and try to present them as very "rare" collectibles.
Georgios Balanikas
The cover is a beautiful composition of the Donald oil painting by
Gottfried Helnwein (although they don't know).
In the correspondence column there is a long letter of the fellow member
Anders Sivebaek in which he explains how he first met the KOMIX publication
in Greece.
Additionally ,as Don Rosa noticed ,they are going to publish in the very
next issue his story"Last Sled to Dawson".
I also noticed that they have raised the prices of the back issues. I
wonder how they confine the prices of the back issues , even the recent ones
, and try to present them as very "rare" collectibles.
Georgios Balanikas
Xephyr
Speaking of Meana...
Message 11 -
1999-10-03 at 07:55:07
Does anyone know which issue of WDC last published by Gladstone
that Meana made her debut? I've been thumbing through them, and
I found about 20 entries in the INDUCKS Database but I can't find
the ONE appearance in the USA she made. I know it was probably
Li'l Bad Wolf story.
Thanks.
Rich
that Meana made her debut? I've been thumbing through them, and
I found about 20 entries in the INDUCKS Database but I can't find
the ONE appearance in the USA she made. I know it was probably
Li'l Bad Wolf story.
Thanks.
Rich
Xephyr
Mina, Alfred & Boniface Jr.
Message 12 -
1999-10-03 at 13:24:26
FRANCOIS WILLOT:
> The full name of "Junior" is "Boniface Junior" (Boniface is the French
> name of Brer Bear). He is the son of Brer Bear, not L'il Bad Wolf.
> Junior is supposed to be around 8 years old, like his friends P'tit
> Loup, Mina and Alfred.
> He was modelled on Brer Bear's kids which appeared in US comics. The
> editor and writer decided that Brer Bear has only one kid. Indeed
> Boniface and his son indeed appeared together in the first French
> stories. But now, Boniface almost never appears, and we only see
> Junior (in the same classroom as P'tit Loup, Alfred, and Mina, but
> without the 3 little pigs).
>
> Didier le Bornec made P'tit Loup younger than in the USA comics,
> so Junior is probably not one of Boniface's younger kids (which do not
> exist in the French "universe").
>
> Regarding Marie-Loup, she is Zeke's fiancee, an original creation. But
> she is not the mother of L'il Bad Wolf.
>
> Mina is the French version of "Meana". She is not related to L'il Bad
> Wolf. She is not the fiancee of P'tit Loup (as in the USA comics?), only
> a school friend.
Actually, the one time she appeared in the USA, Meana wasn't Li'l Wolf's
fiancee, per se, but just his girlfriend in the loose sense of the word.
They "like" eachother alot, and are good friends. This was the 'key' to
the original story since she was introduced to Li'l Wolf by his father
in hopes that she would be a *bad* influence. She was shown beating up
her own brothers at first... a real tomboy. But what happened was the
opposite: Li'l Wolf became a *good* influence on her! She decided to
start wearing dresses and acting more like a little girl (because she
liked Li'l Wolf). This frustrated Li'l Wolf's father. (Of course I am
stating this by memory since I cannot find the actual story). I wonder
if this story printed in the US is the same Meana as the Meana in France,
and if this is how she debuted in France as well?
Thank you for clearing up the mistake in the database which calls Meana
Li'l Wolf's "sister."
I'm also curious about the temperment of Alfred and Junior? Are these
boys *nice* or *mean*? Since they are the sons of two characters who
had a tradition of being mean in the Uncle Remus stories and early
Disney comics.
Also, along the lines of *age*, I guess I still consider the 3 Little
Pigs as "kids" (barring any evidence otherwise). Also, I began thinking
about Br'er Rabbit & Molly Cottontail? I've rarely, if ever seen them
in a Li'l Wolf story, but it is my impression that Br'er Rabbit (and
Molly) are a lot younger than Br'er Bear and Br'er Fox. What does
everyone else think about the ages of the pigs and the rabbits? It
could just be that they are younger than the Bear & Fox, but not as
young as Li'l Wolf?
Would it be possible to some scans of Mina, Alfred, Junior and maybe
Marie-Loup and Br'er Wolf?
Rich Bellacera
> The full name of "Junior" is "Boniface Junior" (Boniface is the French
> name of Brer Bear). He is the son of Brer Bear, not L'il Bad Wolf.
> Junior is supposed to be around 8 years old, like his friends P'tit
> Loup, Mina and Alfred.
> He was modelled on Brer Bear's kids which appeared in US comics. The
> editor and writer decided that Brer Bear has only one kid. Indeed
> Boniface and his son indeed appeared together in the first French
> stories. But now, Boniface almost never appears, and we only see
> Junior (in the same classroom as P'tit Loup, Alfred, and Mina, but
> without the 3 little pigs).
>
> Didier le Bornec made P'tit Loup younger than in the USA comics,
> so Junior is probably not one of Boniface's younger kids (which do not
> exist in the French "universe").
>
> Regarding Marie-Loup, she is Zeke's fiancee, an original creation. But
> she is not the mother of L'il Bad Wolf.
>
> Mina is the French version of "Meana". She is not related to L'il Bad
> Wolf. She is not the fiancee of P'tit Loup (as in the USA comics?), only
> a school friend.
Actually, the one time she appeared in the USA, Meana wasn't Li'l Wolf's
fiancee, per se, but just his girlfriend in the loose sense of the word.
They "like" eachother alot, and are good friends. This was the 'key' to
the original story since she was introduced to Li'l Wolf by his father
in hopes that she would be a *bad* influence. She was shown beating up
her own brothers at first... a real tomboy. But what happened was the
opposite: Li'l Wolf became a *good* influence on her! She decided to
start wearing dresses and acting more like a little girl (because she
liked Li'l Wolf). This frustrated Li'l Wolf's father. (Of course I am
stating this by memory since I cannot find the actual story). I wonder
if this story printed in the US is the same Meana as the Meana in France,
and if this is how she debuted in France as well?
Thank you for clearing up the mistake in the database which calls Meana
Li'l Wolf's "sister."
I'm also curious about the temperment of Alfred and Junior? Are these
boys *nice* or *mean*? Since they are the sons of two characters who
had a tradition of being mean in the Uncle Remus stories and early
Disney comics.
Also, along the lines of *age*, I guess I still consider the 3 Little
Pigs as "kids" (barring any evidence otherwise). Also, I began thinking
about Br'er Rabbit & Molly Cottontail? I've rarely, if ever seen them
in a Li'l Wolf story, but it is my impression that Br'er Rabbit (and
Molly) are a lot younger than Br'er Bear and Br'er Fox. What does
everyone else think about the ages of the pigs and the rabbits? It
could just be that they are younger than the Bear & Fox, but not as
young as Li'l Wolf?
Would it be possible to some scans of Mina, Alfred, Junior and maybe
Marie-Loup and Br'er Wolf?
Rich Bellacera
Xephyr
Al Cootest, Miss Spring, Ermengarda & PB's Nephews?
Message 13 -
1999-10-03 at 14:13:06
New questions:
Can someone tell me about two other series presented in non-USA
Disney comics:
1) "Les ann=E9es folles de Clarabelle" and importat recurring=20
characters like Al Cootest, Hotneige, Redac Chef, and others?
2) A Minnie Mouse series which includes some meteoric named=20
characters like Miss Spring, Rayos, General Winter, Dorina,=20
3) Ermengarda, Gyro Gearloose's girlfriend. I know of a female
"Crane-like" birdwoman who appeared in WDC&S #310 in "Gyro=20
Gearloose: The Real Cool Canoe." Her name there was "Mathilda",
and, it would appear that she made another appearance in Dell's=20
FC "Daisy Duck's Diary" #948. Tho she wasn't named in the DDD
appearance, she was part of Daisy "Chit-Chat Society", and the=20
unique look of her pony-tail and very large beak makes it hard
to say her presence is just a coincidence. What does Ermengarda
look like? Could she and Mathilda be the same?
4) Phantom Blot's nephews. I know of the Phantom Blot's=20
daughter who appeared in a two-part story, but I have never
heard of any nephews before. Are they supposedly twins? And
are they *kids* or *adults*? Were they enemies of Mickey or
Mickey's nephews?
Thanks, Rich Bellacera
Can someone tell me about two other series presented in non-USA
Disney comics:
1) "Les ann=E9es folles de Clarabelle" and importat recurring=20
characters like Al Cootest, Hotneige, Redac Chef, and others?
2) A Minnie Mouse series which includes some meteoric named=20
characters like Miss Spring, Rayos, General Winter, Dorina,=20
3) Ermengarda, Gyro Gearloose's girlfriend. I know of a female
"Crane-like" birdwoman who appeared in WDC&S #310 in "Gyro=20
Gearloose: The Real Cool Canoe." Her name there was "Mathilda",
and, it would appear that she made another appearance in Dell's=20
FC "Daisy Duck's Diary" #948. Tho she wasn't named in the DDD
appearance, she was part of Daisy "Chit-Chat Society", and the=20
unique look of her pony-tail and very large beak makes it hard
to say her presence is just a coincidence. What does Ermengarda
look like? Could she and Mathilda be the same?
4) Phantom Blot's nephews. I know of the Phantom Blot's=20
daughter who appeared in a two-part story, but I have never
heard of any nephews before. Are they supposedly twins? And
are they *kids* or *adults*? Were they enemies of Mickey or
Mickey's nephews?
Thanks, Rich Bellacera
Giuseppe Martino
DcDV99 #171 - Zio Paperone and money
Message 14 -
1999-10-03 at 14:35:14
Armando wrote:
> Well, last week I read an announcement in an Italian comics newsgroup.
> Someone was selling the first 25 numbers of "Zio Paperone", for about 300
> dollars. Two days later, after getting somebody's advice, he raised the
> price to little less than 500 dollars.
>
I adviced that guy... sorry :)
But I told him the truth, I think it wasn't fair that he was
selling something that has a *real* market value of 500$
for the half... only because he wasn't into Disney comics...
I'm the first to admit that they are overpriced but it
is not because of fans (everybody want the first Zio
Paperone but only a few own them), it is a Disney Italia
error, they should reprint all the old issues of this
wonderful magazine!
Ciao
Giuseppe
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #172
******************************************
> Well, last week I read an announcement in an Italian comics newsgroup.
> Someone was selling the first 25 numbers of "Zio Paperone", for about 300
> dollars. Two days later, after getting somebody's advice, he raised the
> price to little less than 500 dollars.
>
I adviced that guy... sorry :)
But I told him the truth, I think it wasn't fair that he was
selling something that has a *real* market value of 500$
for the half... only because he wasn't into Disney comics...
I'm the first to admit that they are overpriced but it
is not because of fans (everybody want the first Zio
Paperone but only a few own them), it is a Disney Italia
error, they should reprint all the old issues of this
wonderful magazine!
Ciao
Giuseppe
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #172
******************************************
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Replies to: Little Pigs, Marco, Francois, Georgios, Guiseppe,
Message 15 -
1999-10-03 at 16:56:04
Rich:
> The Three Little Pigs (Fiddler, Fifer & Practical) have always
> bordered on age obscurity. When appearing soley with the Big Bad
> Wolf (Zeke) their age was inconsequencial. But, when seen typically
> playing with Li'l Bad Wolf it seems implied that they, too, are
> "kids." Especially when one of their relatives shows up (like
> Cousin Raymond or Uncle Warthog), who typically are larger and=20
> older-looking. Also, I believe, the three pigs are seen going
> to school with Li'l Wolf, which would tend to ensure that they
> are understood to be approximately his age in that situation as
> well. In my mind the 3 Little Pigs *ARE* kids, with Practical=20
> acting as the "parent". Strangely, in very, very old "gags"
> drawn way back in the 30s/40s(?), Peter Pig, from "Wise Little
> Hen" was implied to be related to the Three Little Pigs as
> well.=20
I read a story once, where the pigs drove around in a car...=20
I guess they would have to be older than kids to do that..
Marco Barlotti=20
> >How funny... what does the head of school say to that??
> No "head of school" at the University... that's one of our privileges! =
=20
;-)
Hmm. good.
> But have you seen the "logo" of the home page for my Math Course?
> http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Istituzioni
> (and clicking on the image you get a larger picture)
> You will understand that I made Duck interference in my teaching almost
> official...
Oh, I'll look while I send this.
> >Who was Scrooge then? someone we've heard of??
> If I remember (but then again maybe I don't) it was Gianni Agnelli, own=
er
> of the FIAT automobile factory, one of the biggest capitalists in Italy=
,
> now (as a life-time senator) a supporter of the center-left (???)
government.
> You should have heard about him...
Maybe I should have, but I haven't... I saw Scrooge in the role as a=20
mafia-boss once, but that was/is on Sicilia, right?=20
> MB> but then after all I'm
> MB> the evil mailing-list memeber, don't you remember? ;-) ;-) =
=20
> >What's this about? Is marco an evil person?? ;-)
=20
> This was meant to be a joke for long-term members of this list. A coupl=
e
of
> years ago I sort of started a "campaign" on the (very bad IMHO)
> translations of Don Rosa's stories on "Zio Paperone".
Hmm. I could start something like that on the older translations of danis=
h
rosa-
publications too... E.g. the Sled to Dawson, has hopefully much better
dialogue in=20
english, especially in the case where Scrooge quotes a poet. that was in
danish=20
translated to a quote by a danish author writing about danish forests...
Scrooge=20
was in Alaska, but I guess they didn't notice. Today special
language-experts are=20
sometimes called to help on translations, where I live, that is
> Gross mistakes (like e. g. taking the wrong meaning of the word "compas=
s"
> and translating it as the instrument to draw circles when it was
obviously
> meant to be the instrument to point north...)=20
Hmm... they never did anything like that here... that is a real fault...
> and large misunderstandings
> of Don's dialogues made me speak of an <Evil Translator>. I was trying =
to
> depict an unknown, maybe "superior" being, a sort of Puck if you can se=
e
> what I mean, who enjoyed making translations wrong. It was meant as a
joke,
> against no-one in particular.
I see....
> But it turned out that the translator was KNOWN to Don and to others (b=
ut
> not to me). And that she is the kindest ever person to work in the staf=
f
of
> Walt Disney Italy (I can confirm this fact having afterwards met her!).
> This of course had nothing to do with her translations being correct
(they
> were NOT...) but the term "Evil Translator" was considered too hard an=
d
I
> was (rightly) scolded for this. I am still very sorry that I was believ=
ed
> to think of that person as "Evil" (I NEVER did!) so I rather call MYSEL=
F
> "Evil" to stress the fact that I can freely joke using this word... I
don't
> mean myself to be evil, either!!!
Okay, I understand it now. no that wouldn=F8t be called evilness...=20
very kind person person can make mistakes too... I remember the case abou=
t=20
the slyna, in a swedish mag. The sourse can tell you yourself if he wants
to.
> >>Let's
> >> rejoice then: "Somewhere in Nowhere" isn't nowhere anymore; it's
> >>somewhere
> >> in Italy! :-)=20
> >Hmmm. It's somewhere here too, if I might say so. I wont say where I g=
ot
> >the copies though
> ...and as I said, I have **never** seen this story!!! (Hint, hint...)
Well as I know of the italian mags being very good (you send me some
yourself)...
Maybe we should continue this discussion in private?
FRANCOIS
very interesting about the wolf universe. i think I saw the wolf-girl
(Mina) on a collecting-card from the german weekly.
> Finally - about "Alfred": he is the son of Brer Wolf (who no more
> appears in French comics).
brer Wolf? You mean the one who was friend with Brer Bear, cause he is As
far as I know, a fox?
It surpirsies me that Big Bad Wolf (Zeke M.(idas) Wolf) is engaged... I
thought he was so mean that noone would like him, but maybe that changed =
in
the french wolf universe too?
Georgios Balanikas
> The KOMIX #136 is out on the newstands.
> The cover is a beautiful composition of the Donald oil painting by
> Gottfried Helnwein (although they don't know).
I will want to buy this issue when i come to greece next week.
Also because of this:
> In the correspondence column there is a long letter of the fellow membe=
r
> Anders Sivebaek in which he explains how he first met the KOMIX
publication
> in Greece.
I'm happy they published my mail, unless they made some inevitable misatk=
es
in the translation.
eg. it's not shorts times between my being there and getting contact with
Dennis... it's years!
BTW: I hear from Kriton they answer in the column, but they didn't send m=
e
an answer, and how could they know I was coming to Greece soon?=20
> Additionally ,as Don Rosa noticed ,they are going to publish in the ve=
ry
> next issue his story"Last Sled to Dawson".
> I also noticed that they have raised the prices of the back issues. I
> wonder how they confine the prices of the back issues , even the recent
ones
> , and try to present them as very "rare" collectibles.
I asked about that in the letter too, I most certainly hope not that i ha=
ve
been=20
another reason to raise them... what's the price of no. 1 now?=20
Guiseppe:
> I'm the first to admit that they are overpriced but it
> is not because of fans (everybody want the first Zio
> Paperone but only a few own them), it is a Disney Italia
> error, they should reprint all the old issues of this
> wonderful magazine!
Many comic-books should be reprinted... I have some 100 proposals myself
too.
But sure Zio paperone is a wonderful mag. I learned that thanks to two
members from this list:-)
Yours AC
> The Three Little Pigs (Fiddler, Fifer & Practical) have always
> bordered on age obscurity. When appearing soley with the Big Bad
> Wolf (Zeke) their age was inconsequencial. But, when seen typically
> playing with Li'l Bad Wolf it seems implied that they, too, are
> "kids." Especially when one of their relatives shows up (like
> Cousin Raymond or Uncle Warthog), who typically are larger and=20
> older-looking. Also, I believe, the three pigs are seen going
> to school with Li'l Wolf, which would tend to ensure that they
> are understood to be approximately his age in that situation as
> well. In my mind the 3 Little Pigs *ARE* kids, with Practical=20
> acting as the "parent". Strangely, in very, very old "gags"
> drawn way back in the 30s/40s(?), Peter Pig, from "Wise Little
> Hen" was implied to be related to the Three Little Pigs as
> well.=20
I read a story once, where the pigs drove around in a car...=20
I guess they would have to be older than kids to do that..
Marco Barlotti=20
> >How funny... what does the head of school say to that??
> No "head of school" at the University... that's one of our privileges! =
=20
;-)
Hmm. good.
> But have you seen the "logo" of the home page for my Math Course?
> http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Istituzioni
> (and clicking on the image you get a larger picture)
> You will understand that I made Duck interference in my teaching almost
> official...
Oh, I'll look while I send this.
> >Who was Scrooge then? someone we've heard of??
> If I remember (but then again maybe I don't) it was Gianni Agnelli, own=
er
> of the FIAT automobile factory, one of the biggest capitalists in Italy=
,
> now (as a life-time senator) a supporter of the center-left (???)
government.
> You should have heard about him...
Maybe I should have, but I haven't... I saw Scrooge in the role as a=20
mafia-boss once, but that was/is on Sicilia, right?=20
> MB> but then after all I'm
> MB> the evil mailing-list memeber, don't you remember? ;-) ;-) =
=20
> >What's this about? Is marco an evil person?? ;-)
=20
> This was meant to be a joke for long-term members of this list. A coupl=
e
of
> years ago I sort of started a "campaign" on the (very bad IMHO)
> translations of Don Rosa's stories on "Zio Paperone".
Hmm. I could start something like that on the older translations of danis=
h
rosa-
publications too... E.g. the Sled to Dawson, has hopefully much better
dialogue in=20
english, especially in the case where Scrooge quotes a poet. that was in
danish=20
translated to a quote by a danish author writing about danish forests...
Scrooge=20
was in Alaska, but I guess they didn't notice. Today special
language-experts are=20
sometimes called to help on translations, where I live, that is
> Gross mistakes (like e. g. taking the wrong meaning of the word "compas=
s"
> and translating it as the instrument to draw circles when it was
obviously
> meant to be the instrument to point north...)=20
Hmm... they never did anything like that here... that is a real fault...
> and large misunderstandings
> of Don's dialogues made me speak of an <Evil Translator>. I was trying =
to
> depict an unknown, maybe "superior" being, a sort of Puck if you can se=
e
> what I mean, who enjoyed making translations wrong. It was meant as a
joke,
> against no-one in particular.
I see....
> But it turned out that the translator was KNOWN to Don and to others (b=
ut
> not to me). And that she is the kindest ever person to work in the staf=
f
of
> Walt Disney Italy (I can confirm this fact having afterwards met her!).
> This of course had nothing to do with her translations being correct
(they
> were NOT...) but the term "Evil Translator" was considered too hard an=
d
I
> was (rightly) scolded for this. I am still very sorry that I was believ=
ed
> to think of that person as "Evil" (I NEVER did!) so I rather call MYSEL=
F
> "Evil" to stress the fact that I can freely joke using this word... I
don't
> mean myself to be evil, either!!!
Okay, I understand it now. no that wouldn=F8t be called evilness...=20
very kind person person can make mistakes too... I remember the case abou=
t=20
the slyna, in a swedish mag. The sourse can tell you yourself if he wants
to.
> >>Let's
> >> rejoice then: "Somewhere in Nowhere" isn't nowhere anymore; it's
> >>somewhere
> >> in Italy! :-)=20
> >Hmmm. It's somewhere here too, if I might say so. I wont say where I g=
ot
> >the copies though
> ...and as I said, I have **never** seen this story!!! (Hint, hint...)
Well as I know of the italian mags being very good (you send me some
yourself)...
Maybe we should continue this discussion in private?
FRANCOIS
very interesting about the wolf universe. i think I saw the wolf-girl
(Mina) on a collecting-card from the german weekly.
> Finally - about "Alfred": he is the son of Brer Wolf (who no more
> appears in French comics).
brer Wolf? You mean the one who was friend with Brer Bear, cause he is As
far as I know, a fox?
It surpirsies me that Big Bad Wolf (Zeke M.(idas) Wolf) is engaged... I
thought he was so mean that noone would like him, but maybe that changed =
in
the french wolf universe too?
Georgios Balanikas
> The KOMIX #136 is out on the newstands.
> The cover is a beautiful composition of the Donald oil painting by
> Gottfried Helnwein (although they don't know).
I will want to buy this issue when i come to greece next week.
Also because of this:
> In the correspondence column there is a long letter of the fellow membe=
r
> Anders Sivebaek in which he explains how he first met the KOMIX
publication
> in Greece.
I'm happy they published my mail, unless they made some inevitable misatk=
es
in the translation.
eg. it's not shorts times between my being there and getting contact with
Dennis... it's years!
BTW: I hear from Kriton they answer in the column, but they didn't send m=
e
an answer, and how could they know I was coming to Greece soon?=20
> Additionally ,as Don Rosa noticed ,they are going to publish in the ve=
ry
> next issue his story"Last Sled to Dawson".
> I also noticed that they have raised the prices of the back issues. I
> wonder how they confine the prices of the back issues , even the recent
ones
> , and try to present them as very "rare" collectibles.
I asked about that in the letter too, I most certainly hope not that i ha=
ve
been=20
another reason to raise them... what's the price of no. 1 now?=20
Guiseppe:
> I'm the first to admit that they are overpriced but it
> is not because of fans (everybody want the first Zio
> Paperone but only a few own them), it is a Disney Italia
> error, they should reprint all the old issues of this
> wonderful magazine!
Many comic-books should be reprinted... I have some 100 proposals myself
too.
But sure Zio paperone is a wonderful mag. I learned that thanks to two
members from this list:-)
Yours AC