Michael wrote:
>While some peeople are wringing their hankies over the speculative
cost of
>foreign editions....there is a current eBay auction of the much
prized and
>sought after UNCLE SCROOGE #179.
>In a Very Good condition, according to the price guide, it should
be worth
>$13.50....
>current bid ......$84.50 !!
>This IS the most difficult book to find for a completist.
>Willing buyer...willing seller is how it works........
Yes, I know that's how it works... It's just that I don't *like* how
it works ;-)
Don't misunderstand me: I'm not in a position to judge someone who
is willing to pay $84.50 for a comic book, even if it features the *second*
reprint of "Lemming with the locket" in the "Uncle Scrooge" series (and what
other stories, by the way? The rarity of the item is such that we haven't
got a complete index of its contents in the Inducks, either. Any lucky
owners on this list?).
I understand "completists", being one of them ;-), and I agree with
Kriton on the value of childhood memories you can relive by means of a comic
book. And I know that US 179 had a very scarce and "difficult" distribution,
so there are actually few copies left of it.
But that's not the point. My original message was not about comics
that came out 20 years ago, in 3-packs only, in few chain stores. I was
speaking of something that was easily available at every newsagent's, twelve
to four (!) years ago. And that's easily available at most comics dealers'
right now. Archontis used the word "speculation", and I find it very
appropriate.
A reprint of the first numbers of "Zio Paperone" (with the word
"REPRINT" in shining letters on the cover) would leave rich completists
*and* dealers to their own devices, and make a lot of other people happy.
That was the main point of my message.
Ciao again,
Armando (wringing some more hankies ;-))
(BTW: thanks, Don, for sharing once more your views about
collecting!)
Author
Topic: 199910
(147 messages)
Botto Armando
U$ #179
Message 61 -
1999-10-07 at 16:39:25
Bhc
Disney comics Digest V99 #175
Message 62 -
1999-10-07 at 18:26:45
Kriton:
>Reading between the lines, we have a major news item here, as it confirms
>that at least one of the people working for Gladstone will be part
>of the new team. (Why else would they be worried about such things?)
We're just natural worriers around here. We were wrapping up production our
final issues at about this time last year, and have existed in a state of
up-and-down uncertainty ever since. Though we saw it coming for months,
going cold turkey off of a comic book production schedule was still
something of a shock, and we're keen to get back into the swing of it. We
almost did a couple of times, in fact, but they turned out to be false
alarms. So it goes in the wide, wonderful, often dizzying world of license
negotiating.
Gary
****************************
"I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it
soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone
>Reading between the lines, we have a major news item here, as it confirms
>that at least one of the people working for Gladstone will be part
>of the new team. (Why else would they be worried about such things?)
We're just natural worriers around here. We were wrapping up production our
final issues at about this time last year, and have existed in a state of
up-and-down uncertainty ever since. Though we saw it coming for months,
going cold turkey off of a comic book production schedule was still
something of a shock, and we're keen to get back into the swing of it. We
almost did a couple of times, in fact, but they turned out to be false
alarms. So it goes in the wide, wonderful, often dizzying world of license
negotiating.
Gary
****************************
"I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it
soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone
Gerstein, David DK - ECN
Disney comics Digest V99 #176
Message 63 -
1999-10-07 at 19:11:45
Hey Rich,
>I know it would be nice if
>there was a centralized resource for story-writers & artists
>to be more consistant, but for now there isn't. It seems that=20
>Egmont, with David's help, is striving for such
With *all* of us editors' help, in fact. It's hardly just me over
here. Good folks like Anna Maria Vind, Stefan and Unn Printz-Påhlson and
Lars Bergström are involved in decision and policy-making, too. What's more,
other Egmont "consistency rules" are totally new things, often created for
our own stories only, and developed - in an atmosphere of intense thought -
by the (in)famous Byron Erickson!
Regarding Donald's family tree, you cite:
>the "missing" relatives...
>[such as] Fethry's fiance Gloria,
>and his own nephew, Dugan (Bequinho), as well as Gus Goose's
>nephew "Sock" or even Dickie [(Paperetta Ye-Ye)]
Some of these aren't relatives.
Fethry's fiancee isn't related to the rest of the ducks.
Glittering Goldie isn't related to the rest of the ducks (and so by
extension, neither is Dickie Duck).
Peter Pig isn't related to the Ducks either (I'm going overboard
here, but what I'm saying is that just because a character is close with the
heroes isn't a sign he/she is related).
>Van Horn's tree
>even included Magica, Glomgold and Gyro (which would then have
>to include Newton)!
Van Horn's tree was a beautiful piece of art, but was intended more
to be a representative grouping of classic Duck characters (the "duck
family" in a wider sense) than an indication of how they're related.
>I know many records even qualified Grandma
>Duck (Elvira) as Scrooge's sister!
This is the typical older European version of the Tree. There's no
way to integrate it with Carl Barks' or Don Rosa's versions of the Tree, no
matter how you try. If you value your nervous system, don't try! :-O
>who is the reigning holder for the title "Brer Wolf"?
The real Brer Wolf is the wolf in the Brer Rabbit stories. He was
first called Cuzzin Wolf, but very quickly got a more traditional Brer name
(in an error the other day, I said he was never called Brer, but that was
wrong).
The "other" Brer Wolf is big bad Zeke Wolf, who is occasionally
called "Brer Wolf" by Brer Fox or Brer Bear.
I think the last word goes to Joel Chandler Harris, who said himself
(1881) that there was more than one Brer Wolf even in *his* universe!
>Apparently Brazil has gone even further by making the Forest Universe
>into another "Duckburg-like" town, creating strange new personalities
>for the primary characters where Bears love Foxes and visa versa...
This is not a Brazilian situation.
The stories in question are 1960s S-coded stories produced by Disney
in Burbank. They take place in the "regular" forest universe. They *do* have
romantic entanglements between Brer Fox/Brer Bear/Miss Honeybear and Brer
Fox/Molly Cottontail; they occasionally have a story where a character
(often Brer Bear) dreams of being a famous character from fiction (Prince
Charming, Captain Bligh). But for the most part they are *normal* forest
universe stories.
>I'm curious if this version of the Forest Universe still exists or
>if they ceased writing this type of stories years ago?
Well, about fifteen years ago, I think.
>Whew! Fortunately I have Mega 2000 #500 so I have perhaps the=20
>most recent issue featuring Brer Groundhog. Is this his *first*
>appearance?
I think the issue in question uses him in a story I myself scripted.
No, that's not his first appearance. He's originally from 1940s Brer Rabbit
Sunday strips, including the bank heist story reprinted in WDC&S 576.
>structure
>their own laws [such as allowing kids to drive (and sometimes
>drink) early (bad in combination)
Heh. The drink of choice in the swamp, according to some 1960s
stories, is *molasses* (that's right - served on its own in a glass!)
You refer to
>the Forest Village
The actual name of the community is the Forest "Settlement," BTW
(another thing that began in 1940s Brer Rabbit continuity).
>Though, I always felt that Magica's
>castle was closer to Italy. Maybe even an island off the coast
>of Sicily?
Mim's shack is - yes - in the Forest, although not in the Settlement
part of the Forest.
Magica De Spell's sorcery shop (a medium-size shack full of magic
doodads, not a castle) is on the side of Mount Vesuvius in Italy, according
to countless stories. No guesswork necessary.
When Magica and Mim are together (usually in S-coded or B-coded
stories), the castle we typically see them staying in is a piece of property
that Magica inherited from her relatives, according to one story. And the
lease on the place is held by... Uncle Scrooge!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
>I know it would be nice if
>there was a centralized resource for story-writers & artists
>to be more consistant, but for now there isn't. It seems that=20
>Egmont, with David's help, is striving for such
With *all* of us editors' help, in fact. It's hardly just me over
here. Good folks like Anna Maria Vind, Stefan and Unn Printz-Påhlson and
Lars Bergström are involved in decision and policy-making, too. What's more,
other Egmont "consistency rules" are totally new things, often created for
our own stories only, and developed - in an atmosphere of intense thought -
by the (in)famous Byron Erickson!
Regarding Donald's family tree, you cite:
>the "missing" relatives...
>[such as] Fethry's fiance Gloria,
>and his own nephew, Dugan (Bequinho), as well as Gus Goose's
>nephew "Sock" or even Dickie [(Paperetta Ye-Ye)]
Some of these aren't relatives.
Fethry's fiancee isn't related to the rest of the ducks.
Glittering Goldie isn't related to the rest of the ducks (and so by
extension, neither is Dickie Duck).
Peter Pig isn't related to the Ducks either (I'm going overboard
here, but what I'm saying is that just because a character is close with the
heroes isn't a sign he/she is related).
>Van Horn's tree
>even included Magica, Glomgold and Gyro (which would then have
>to include Newton)!
Van Horn's tree was a beautiful piece of art, but was intended more
to be a representative grouping of classic Duck characters (the "duck
family" in a wider sense) than an indication of how they're related.
>I know many records even qualified Grandma
>Duck (Elvira) as Scrooge's sister!
This is the typical older European version of the Tree. There's no
way to integrate it with Carl Barks' or Don Rosa's versions of the Tree, no
matter how you try. If you value your nervous system, don't try! :-O
>who is the reigning holder for the title "Brer Wolf"?
The real Brer Wolf is the wolf in the Brer Rabbit stories. He was
first called Cuzzin Wolf, but very quickly got a more traditional Brer name
(in an error the other day, I said he was never called Brer, but that was
wrong).
The "other" Brer Wolf is big bad Zeke Wolf, who is occasionally
called "Brer Wolf" by Brer Fox or Brer Bear.
I think the last word goes to Joel Chandler Harris, who said himself
(1881) that there was more than one Brer Wolf even in *his* universe!
>Apparently Brazil has gone even further by making the Forest Universe
>into another "Duckburg-like" town, creating strange new personalities
>for the primary characters where Bears love Foxes and visa versa...
This is not a Brazilian situation.
The stories in question are 1960s S-coded stories produced by Disney
in Burbank. They take place in the "regular" forest universe. They *do* have
romantic entanglements between Brer Fox/Brer Bear/Miss Honeybear and Brer
Fox/Molly Cottontail; they occasionally have a story where a character
(often Brer Bear) dreams of being a famous character from fiction (Prince
Charming, Captain Bligh). But for the most part they are *normal* forest
universe stories.
>I'm curious if this version of the Forest Universe still exists or
>if they ceased writing this type of stories years ago?
Well, about fifteen years ago, I think.
>Whew! Fortunately I have Mega 2000 #500 so I have perhaps the=20
>most recent issue featuring Brer Groundhog. Is this his *first*
>appearance?
I think the issue in question uses him in a story I myself scripted.
No, that's not his first appearance. He's originally from 1940s Brer Rabbit
Sunday strips, including the bank heist story reprinted in WDC&S 576.
>structure
>their own laws [such as allowing kids to drive (and sometimes
>drink) early (bad in combination)
Heh. The drink of choice in the swamp, according to some 1960s
stories, is *molasses* (that's right - served on its own in a glass!)
You refer to
>the Forest Village
The actual name of the community is the Forest "Settlement," BTW
(another thing that began in 1940s Brer Rabbit continuity).
>Though, I always felt that Magica's
>castle was closer to Italy. Maybe even an island off the coast
>of Sicily?
Mim's shack is - yes - in the Forest, although not in the Settlement
part of the Forest.
Magica De Spell's sorcery shop (a medium-size shack full of magic
doodads, not a castle) is on the side of Mount Vesuvius in Italy, according
to countless stories. No guesswork necessary.
When Magica and Mim are together (usually in S-coded or B-coded
stories), the castle we typically see them staying in is a piece of property
that Magica inherited from her relatives, according to one story. And the
lease on the place is held by... Uncle Scrooge!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Francois Willot
Picsou #333
Message 64 -
1999-10-07 at 19:48:28
Gary Pantzer wrote:
> Can anyone please tell me if the newest issue of Picsou
> has Don's "Coin" story in it?
Yes, it has been on newstands since yesterday. Several interesting
things in it. I'll type the contents here:
- cover (redrawn Barks drawing)
- pin-up page by Don Rosa (illos. the coin story)
- "Trick or treat" oil painting by Carl Barks
- an interview of Don Rosa conducted for "Picsou" by Pascal Pierrey (4
pages). Some interesting "news" in it: Don Rosa is working on a 2nd
story with the French master thief (le chevalier noir) for "Picsou".
I've heard about another project of story, but Don Rosa is after all on
this list, so I'll let him talk about his projects (if he wishes).
- "Le prix du 'sou'-venir" ("The prize of the 'coin'-come") by Don Rosa.
A very original, and very good story with a new appearance of Goldie.
Translation of J.-P. Jennequin.
- the Magica De Spell story from US 43 by Carl Barks
- the Barks' ten-pager from WDC #187
- the animals Barks' ten-pager from WDC #200
- the apples story from WDC #205 by Carl Barks
- the theater story from WDC #217 by Carl Barks
- the halloween ten-pager from WDC #254 by carl Barks
- five '39 Donald daily strips by Al Taliaferro and Bob Karp
Francois
> Can anyone please tell me if the newest issue of Picsou
> has Don's "Coin" story in it?
Yes, it has been on newstands since yesterday. Several interesting
things in it. I'll type the contents here:
- cover (redrawn Barks drawing)
- pin-up page by Don Rosa (illos. the coin story)
- "Trick or treat" oil painting by Carl Barks
- an interview of Don Rosa conducted for "Picsou" by Pascal Pierrey (4
pages). Some interesting "news" in it: Don Rosa is working on a 2nd
story with the French master thief (le chevalier noir) for "Picsou".
I've heard about another project of story, but Don Rosa is after all on
this list, so I'll let him talk about his projects (if he wishes).
- "Le prix du 'sou'-venir" ("The prize of the 'coin'-come") by Don Rosa.
A very original, and very good story with a new appearance of Goldie.
Translation of J.-P. Jennequin.
- the Magica De Spell story from US 43 by Carl Barks
- the Barks' ten-pager from WDC #187
- the animals Barks' ten-pager from WDC #200
- the apples story from WDC #205 by Carl Barks
- the theater story from WDC #217 by Carl Barks
- the halloween ten-pager from WDC #254 by carl Barks
- five '39 Donald daily strips by Al Taliaferro and Bob Karp
Francois
Francois Willot
Picsou #333
Message 65 -
1999-10-07 at 20:16:15
I wrote:
> - the Barks' ten-pager from WDC #187
> - the animals Barks' ten-pager from WDC #200
> - the apples story from WDC #205 by Carl Barks
> - the theater story from WDC #217 by Carl Barks
> - the halloween ten-pager from WDC #254 by carl Barks
> - five '39 Donald daily strips by Al Taliaferro and Bob Karp
After reading them, I can say that for the first time in France, or
almost, these stories are printed with a FAITHFUL translation.
I personnally was used to the "Journal de Mickey" old translations. The
original dialogues are much more precise, and better.
> - the Barks' ten-pager from WDC #187
> - the animals Barks' ten-pager from WDC #200
> - the apples story from WDC #205 by Carl Barks
> - the theater story from WDC #217 by Carl Barks
> - the halloween ten-pager from WDC #254 by carl Barks
> - five '39 Donald daily strips by Al Taliaferro and Bob Karp
After reading them, I can say that for the first time in France, or
almost, these stories are printed with a FAITHFUL translation.
I personnally was used to the "Journal de Mickey" old translations. The
original dialogues are much more precise, and better.
Marco Barlotti
Updated Italian Barks index on-line
Message 66 -
1999-10-07 at 20:22:48
The WWW pages of "anonima Fumetti" (http://www.fumetti.org) offer an
on-line edition of Franco Fossati's index of Carl Barks' Disney stories:
http://www.fumetti.org/mvbarks.htm
For my own use I developed an updated version of that index in RTF format.
I have added a lot of reprints (some of them were missed by Fossati, most
of them came out after his untimely death); for each story I have given the
I.N.D.U.C.K.S. code (http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/index.html).
I furthermore worked out again (with some friends' help) Fossati's comments
to some stories. Of course I have added Barks' Disney stories written after
Fossati's death.
The "Fondazione Franco Fossati" (http://www.fumetti.org/fondazione) kindly
granted me permission to publish this work, free under the conditions of
the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. licence
(http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/licence.html).
Beware! This index is fully written in Italian!
But some English-speaking friends asked me to put a link to it also through
my ENGLISH comics pages; so I thought I might announce it on this list as
well.
Also those who already know this index might want to check it, because I
have updated it today!
So please all those interested check
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/BarksIndex.html
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
on-line edition of Franco Fossati's index of Carl Barks' Disney stories:
http://www.fumetti.org/mvbarks.htm
For my own use I developed an updated version of that index in RTF format.
I have added a lot of reprints (some of them were missed by Fossati, most
of them came out after his untimely death); for each story I have given the
I.N.D.U.C.K.S. code (http://members.xoom.com/bolderbast/index.html).
I furthermore worked out again (with some friends' help) Fossati's comments
to some stories. Of course I have added Barks' Disney stories written after
Fossati's death.
The "Fondazione Franco Fossati" (http://www.fumetti.org/fondazione) kindly
granted me permission to publish this work, free under the conditions of
the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. licence
(http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/DisneyIndex/licence.html).
Beware! This index is fully written in Italian!
But some English-speaking friends asked me to put a link to it also through
my ENGLISH comics pages; so I thought I might announce it on this list as
well.
Also those who already know this index might want to check it, because I
have updated it today!
So please all those interested check
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics/BarksIndex.html
Marco
http://marcobar.cce.unifi.it/Comics
Francois Willot
****WARNING**** SPOILER in the first "Picsou 333" mail - **DO NOT READ IT**
Message 67 -
1999-10-07 at 20:43:18
URGENT: Please *ignore* my previous letters.
I just realize I made a spoiler in the first one (subject: "Picsou
#333"). I'm very sorry about this (and sorry to Don especially).
I hope this can be seen in the header of the digest.
I just realize I made a spoiler in the first one (subject: "Picsou
#333"). I'm very sorry about this (and sorry to Don especially).
I hope this can be seen in the header of the digest.
Eta Beta
Relatives and related sites
Message 68 -
1999-10-07 at 22:11:00
RICH, ALL
>I would just
>like to see an extended version which includes the rest, even
>some of the more obscure relatives could be included to fill
>in gaps (see Eta Beta's website for some of the fun relatives:
>http://members.tripod.com/~EEGA/ ...PLUG! :-)
>
>Hmmmm. It appears dear Eta has his site off line right now,
>but you can go to the URL and bookmark it for later viewing!
>It really is fun...
Thanks for the appreciation and the plug, old pal, but you've
misplaced your notebook again, haven't you ? :-)
I dropped the above address nearly two years ago, and moved
twice in the meantime... :-)
"Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket" is now at
http://members.xoom.com/eega/magic/pocket.html
just next door to "The Last Balaboo" at
http://members.xoom.com/eega/scarpa/balaboo.html
Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to update those much,
recently, also because I've made a couple of new sites that,
perhaps, some of you may find interesting to take a look at... :-)
"The Amazing Art of Marco Rota" at
http://members2.easyspace.com/eta-beta/rota.html
which currently contains examples of his (back) cover art for
"Zio Paperone", with many Rosa and Barks inspired art
and
"Disney Covers Extravaganza" at
http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/covers.html
which contains... er... covers :-)
Comments and suggestions will be, as usual, more than welcome
Cheers
Eta Beta
>I would just
>like to see an extended version which includes the rest, even
>some of the more obscure relatives could be included to fill
>in gaps (see Eta Beta's website for some of the fun relatives:
>http://members.tripod.com/~EEGA/ ...PLUG! :-)
>
>Hmmmm. It appears dear Eta has his site off line right now,
>but you can go to the URL and bookmark it for later viewing!
>It really is fun...
Thanks for the appreciation and the plug, old pal, but you've
misplaced your notebook again, haven't you ? :-)
I dropped the above address nearly two years ago, and moved
twice in the meantime... :-)
"Eega Beeva's Magic Pocket" is now at
http://members.xoom.com/eega/magic/pocket.html
just next door to "The Last Balaboo" at
http://members.xoom.com/eega/scarpa/balaboo.html
Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to update those much,
recently, also because I've made a couple of new sites that,
perhaps, some of you may find interesting to take a look at... :-)
"The Amazing Art of Marco Rota" at
http://members2.easyspace.com/eta-beta/rota.html
which currently contains examples of his (back) cover art for
"Zio Paperone", with many Rosa and Barks inspired art
and
"Disney Covers Extravaganza" at
http://etabeta.pcupdate.easyspace.com/covers.html
which contains... er... covers :-)
Comments and suggestions will be, as usual, more than welcome
Cheers
Eta Beta
Oliv
Gpantzer : "Coin" story
Message 69 -
1999-10-08 at 02:55:35
>Can anyone please tell me if the newest issue of Picsou
>has Don's "Coin" story in it? Also, please tell me if it is on
>the stands yet and *important* what issue number it is.
Yes !
the issue number is 333
So, you'll have to wait 'til january 2000
Are you sure that nobody read your Picsou before
you receive it ?
3 months is a *very* long delivery time...
Aren't you living in Sweden ?
Oliv
>has Don's "Coin" story in it? Also, please tell me if it is on
>the stands yet and *important* what issue number it is.
Yes !
the issue number is 333
So, you'll have to wait 'til january 2000
Are you sure that nobody read your Picsou before
you receive it ?
3 months is a *very* long delivery time...
Aren't you living in Sweden ?
Oliv
Oliv
Kriton : collector/speculator
Message 70 -
1999-10-08 at 02:55:43
>BTW, I know that that U$ comic book is probably worth even more now,
>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money. I guess
>this disqualifies me as a collector!
I think on the contrary you're a real collector (may I say lover ?)
The one who buys rare things with the only one goal to sell it back
a higher price is a speculator.
Generally the collector keep his entire collection against raging sea.
The only way to bend this "rule" is when the collector gets "doubles".
Then the collector is becoming a speculator for a short moment.
Be patient ! In only 20 years, the Disney copyright on MM will end
so anyone will be able to reprint any stories ;-)
Oliv
>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money. I guess
>this disqualifies me as a collector!
I think on the contrary you're a real collector (may I say lover ?)
The one who buys rare things with the only one goal to sell it back
a higher price is a speculator.
Generally the collector keep his entire collection against raging sea.
The only way to bend this "rule" is when the collector gets "doubles".
Then the collector is becoming a speculator for a short moment.
Be patient ! In only 20 years, the Disney copyright on MM will end
so anyone will be able to reprint any stories ;-)
Oliv
Georgios Balanikas
About collecting
Message 71 -
1999-10-08 at 16:12:31
>>BTW, I know that that U$ comic book is probably worth even more now,
>>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money. I guess
>>this disqualifies me as a collector!
No, no That is the collector's passion.
>I think on the contrary you're a real collector (may I say lover ?)
I agree .What other reason can prevent you of giving away (not necessary
reselling) one so much desired item?
I believe there are many reasons that can drive you to pay overpriced items.
I recently saw at eBay the CBL volume V reaching $455 (not mint condition) .
A few days later another auction of the same item ended at $145.
Another example was the Carl Barks U$ L & T (Celestial arts 1981).
There were two auctions of this item last September .The first one ended at
$410 .The second one started at $500 ,but finally there were no bidders.
Two months ago the same item was sold at $38 (with the Litho).
My passion for the comics derives from my childhood. But now I can consider
the comic art not inferior from the other forms of art.
- BTW sometimes I buy double items not for selling them , but for my two
children.
Georgios Balanikas
>>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money. I guess
>>this disqualifies me as a collector!
No, no That is the collector's passion.
>I think on the contrary you're a real collector (may I say lover ?)
I agree .What other reason can prevent you of giving away (not necessary
reselling) one so much desired item?
I believe there are many reasons that can drive you to pay overpriced items.
I recently saw at eBay the CBL volume V reaching $455 (not mint condition) .
A few days later another auction of the same item ended at $145.
Another example was the Carl Barks U$ L & T (Celestial arts 1981).
There were two auctions of this item last September .The first one ended at
$410 .The second one started at $500 ,but finally there were no bidders.
Two months ago the same item was sold at $38 (with the Litho).
My passion for the comics derives from my childhood. But now I can consider
the comic art not inferior from the other forms of art.
- BTW sometimes I buy double items not for selling them , but for my two
children.
Georgios Balanikas
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
On Comics and Pricing
Message 72 -
1999-10-08 at 16:28:45
DON:
>In the days before anyone had ever heard that people collected comic books,
>I would put tiny classified ads in the paper saying that I would buy old
>comics. These were items that people, if they saved them at all, usually
>saved them by "accident". They just never got around to clearing out the
>kids' comics from the boxes in the attic. To learn that there was someone
>willing to pay half-cover price or perhaps even COVER price for an old
>comic book was like a dream. Can you imagine hearing them hearing that they
>could get as much as 100% BACK on all the hundreds of dollars they spent on
>those "worthless" comics?!?!
Things don't have value simply because they exist. The *same* item can very
well have a different valuation under different circumstances. I would
probably value a drop of water differently in the Sahara than in Hawaii.
>Then there started to be some news reports of comics being valuable. This
>is when typical American GREED sets in. Someone hears that a mint ACTION #1
>sold for $1,000, they have some beat up copies of a ANDY PANDA comic from
>1963, and they know it must be worth at least $500, and they won't take a
>penny less. So, they stopped calling me in droves. It was quite apparent.
>The collector's market in anything is not created by collectors. It is
>created by speculators and dealers.
As I wrote in my previous posting, I acknowledge the role speculation plays
in the comics market (and in many other markets for that matter). Companies
that have a more or less monopolistic situation are known to have devised
many a scheme in getting buyers to pay a higher than competitive price.
However, given a fixed supply of an item that can't vary because of its
nature (like old comics, or old stamps, or Rembrandt paintings), the primary
factor in determining current market price is not the seller but the
*buyer*--the position of market demand is the side that sets the price in
this case. Hence, we shouldn't cast the "anathema" simply on speculators and
dealers for what we deem "exorbitant" prices.
>My best friends in fandom are the
>dealers... when I go to conventions, I still hang out with the comic
>dealers, never the other "professionals". But I could be a much more
>efficient collector of comics if they did not exist. Yes, instead of going
>to a comic store or convention, I'd hafta go back to doing my own
>searching, but that *should* be what collecting (of anything) is all about.
Well, it all depends how one views the whole thing: dealers are just
middlemen. Many people have castigated middlemen for the role they play in
society, but as far as I am concerned they offer a vary valuable service:
the chance to buy something "on the spot" at a higher price avoiding the
costs associated with search for the people who choose to do that.
You repeatedly use the term *should*. I can't argue with a statement that
includes *should* simply because I can't doubt one's ethical and normative
inclinations. Why one's definition of how something *should* be have any
greater bearing than someone else's? I mean, I can come out and say that I
think that old comics should be given or thrown away just like old
newspapers. What would be the significance of that, other that exercising my
right in expressing my own normative view on a given subject? Of course,
anyone has the obvious right to do that, but how would it help in
*explaining* how things actually work?
>Collecting should be based on the joy of assembling a set of some obscure,
>but inexpensive, something solely for your personal enjoyment of the item
>and the challenge. That has been lost since the 70s.
You see, I can (and actually *do*) agree with your above normative
statement, *BUT* I couldn't possibly expect to impose my opinion on others
on how things *should* be. Simply because I enjoy something one way can't
mean that I'd expect everybody else to follow my example. I don't think
you're doing that, but many times when people emphasize their own way of
seeing and doing and enjoying things, they don't even try to understand why
someone else can be different.
GARY:
>Can anyone please tell me if the newest issue of Picsou
>has Don's "Coin" story in it? Also, please tell me if it is on
>the stands yet and *important* what issue number it is.
I guess I count as anyone. :-)
Yes, PICSOU #333, October '99, prints the "Coin" story. I just received my
sub copy in the mail two days ago. I simply thumbed thru it, but I can say
that the new Rosa story looks very good! (But no spoilers--yet!)
>I have a subscription, but it runs 3 months behind actual
>release in France. I just received #329 (June) last week.
Whaaat? 3 months behind?!?! Do they send it surface mail? I get it (in
Greece) almost when it hits the stands in France!
Speaking about subscriptions, I just received a subscription re-newal from
Zio Paperone. They may not offer(?) new subscriptions, but they do re-new
the old ones! (Sigh of relief!)
KRITON:
>BTW, I know that that U$ comic book is probably worth even more now,
>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money.
For *ANY* amount of money?! Are you sure there, Kriton? *ANY* amount of
money literally means sums like trillions (Uncle Scrooge would say
"fantasticatillions") of dollars! Think of how any other comics (not to
mention other things) you could buy that could compensate for your clidhood
memories! :-))
Cheers,
Archontis
>In the days before anyone had ever heard that people collected comic books,
>I would put tiny classified ads in the paper saying that I would buy old
>comics. These were items that people, if they saved them at all, usually
>saved them by "accident". They just never got around to clearing out the
>kids' comics from the boxes in the attic. To learn that there was someone
>willing to pay half-cover price or perhaps even COVER price for an old
>comic book was like a dream. Can you imagine hearing them hearing that they
>could get as much as 100% BACK on all the hundreds of dollars they spent on
>those "worthless" comics?!?!
Things don't have value simply because they exist. The *same* item can very
well have a different valuation under different circumstances. I would
probably value a drop of water differently in the Sahara than in Hawaii.
>Then there started to be some news reports of comics being valuable. This
>is when typical American GREED sets in. Someone hears that a mint ACTION #1
>sold for $1,000, they have some beat up copies of a ANDY PANDA comic from
>1963, and they know it must be worth at least $500, and they won't take a
>penny less. So, they stopped calling me in droves. It was quite apparent.
>The collector's market in anything is not created by collectors. It is
>created by speculators and dealers.
As I wrote in my previous posting, I acknowledge the role speculation plays
in the comics market (and in many other markets for that matter). Companies
that have a more or less monopolistic situation are known to have devised
many a scheme in getting buyers to pay a higher than competitive price.
However, given a fixed supply of an item that can't vary because of its
nature (like old comics, or old stamps, or Rembrandt paintings), the primary
factor in determining current market price is not the seller but the
*buyer*--the position of market demand is the side that sets the price in
this case. Hence, we shouldn't cast the "anathema" simply on speculators and
dealers for what we deem "exorbitant" prices.
>My best friends in fandom are the
>dealers... when I go to conventions, I still hang out with the comic
>dealers, never the other "professionals". But I could be a much more
>efficient collector of comics if they did not exist. Yes, instead of going
>to a comic store or convention, I'd hafta go back to doing my own
>searching, but that *should* be what collecting (of anything) is all about.
Well, it all depends how one views the whole thing: dealers are just
middlemen. Many people have castigated middlemen for the role they play in
society, but as far as I am concerned they offer a vary valuable service:
the chance to buy something "on the spot" at a higher price avoiding the
costs associated with search for the people who choose to do that.
You repeatedly use the term *should*. I can't argue with a statement that
includes *should* simply because I can't doubt one's ethical and normative
inclinations. Why one's definition of how something *should* be have any
greater bearing than someone else's? I mean, I can come out and say that I
think that old comics should be given or thrown away just like old
newspapers. What would be the significance of that, other that exercising my
right in expressing my own normative view on a given subject? Of course,
anyone has the obvious right to do that, but how would it help in
*explaining* how things actually work?
>Collecting should be based on the joy of assembling a set of some obscure,
>but inexpensive, something solely for your personal enjoyment of the item
>and the challenge. That has been lost since the 70s.
You see, I can (and actually *do*) agree with your above normative
statement, *BUT* I couldn't possibly expect to impose my opinion on others
on how things *should* be. Simply because I enjoy something one way can't
mean that I'd expect everybody else to follow my example. I don't think
you're doing that, but many times when people emphasize their own way of
seeing and doing and enjoying things, they don't even try to understand why
someone else can be different.
GARY:
>Can anyone please tell me if the newest issue of Picsou
>has Don's "Coin" story in it? Also, please tell me if it is on
>the stands yet and *important* what issue number it is.
I guess I count as anyone. :-)
Yes, PICSOU #333, October '99, prints the "Coin" story. I just received my
sub copy in the mail two days ago. I simply thumbed thru it, but I can say
that the new Rosa story looks very good! (But no spoilers--yet!)
>I have a subscription, but it runs 3 months behind actual
>release in France. I just received #329 (June) last week.
Whaaat? 3 months behind?!?! Do they send it surface mail? I get it (in
Greece) almost when it hits the stands in France!
Speaking about subscriptions, I just received a subscription re-newal from
Zio Paperone. They may not offer(?) new subscriptions, but they do re-new
the old ones! (Sigh of relief!)
KRITON:
>BTW, I know that that U$ comic book is probably worth even more now,
>but I wouldn't dream of selling it at any price. The childhood memories
>it helps me relive cannot be bought for any amount of money.
For *ANY* amount of money?! Are you sure there, Kriton? *ANY* amount of
money literally means sums like trillions (Uncle Scrooge would say
"fantasticatillions") of dollars! Think of how any other comics (not to
mention other things) you could buy that could compensate for your clidhood
memories! :-))
Cheers,
Archontis
Carey Furlong
Disney comics Digest V99 #176
Message 73 -
1999-10-09 at 07:14:48
> From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
> By the way, speaking of collecting... on eBay right now:
>
> Uncle Scrooge #179 RAREST issue - Whitman 09/80
> Item #174140995
> Current price - $85
I'm absolutely stunned! By the end of this auction this comic
went for $510.00!! Guide is $75.00 for near mint! Original price
was 40 cents!!!!!!
Looks like it was quite a frenzy at the end there.
Carey
"Nomad, you will go with these
units to a waiting area.
(Take him to the top security
cell in the brig.)"
James T. Kirk
Carey Furlong; Huntington Beach, California, USA
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #177
******************************************
> By the way, speaking of collecting... on eBay right now:
>
> Uncle Scrooge #179 RAREST issue - Whitman 09/80
> Item #174140995
> Current price - $85
I'm absolutely stunned! By the end of this auction this comic
went for $510.00!! Guide is $75.00 for near mint! Original price
was 40 cents!!!!!!
Looks like it was quite a frenzy at the end there.
Carey
"Nomad, you will go with these
units to a waiting area.
(Take him to the top security
cell in the brig.)"
James T. Kirk
Carey Furlong; Huntington Beach, California, USA
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V99 Issue #177
******************************************
Ugo Dell'Arciprete
Old Topolino stories
Message 74 -
1999-10-09 at 13:16:23
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Hi all!
If it works, this will be my first message on the list, after a few =
months of lurking. I tried already once with no result, I don't know =
why.
I have a request mainly for Italian members (but who knows ... :-)). =
Around years 1960-1965, when I was a boy, I vaguely recall to have read =
two stories that I'm not able to find in the INDUCKS database or similar =
:
- the first one had a title like "Topolino e la setta delle sette", the =
plot beeing about Mickey and Goofy fighting a secret sect inspired to =
the number seven (for non Italian members, sette is both the plural of =
sect and the number seven)
- the second one had a title like "Paperino e il mastino dei =
Baskerville", and was a parody of Conan Doyle's "The hound of =
Baskerville", a famous Sherlock Holmes story.
Do any of you remember these stories and know where and when were they =
published?
Quacking thanks
Ugo
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Hi all!
If it works, this will be my first message on the list, after a few =
months of lurking. I tried already once with no result, I don't know =
why.
I have a request mainly for Italian members (but who knows ... :-)). =
Around years 1960-1965, when I was a boy, I vaguely recall to have read =
two stories that I'm not able to find in the INDUCKS database or similar =
:
- the first one had a title like "Topolino e la setta delle sette", the =
plot beeing about Mickey and Goofy fighting a secret sect inspired to =
the number seven (for non Italian members, sette is both the plural of =
sect and the number seven)
- the second one had a title like "Paperino e il mastino dei =
Baskerville", and was a parody of Conan Doyle's "The hound of =
Baskerville", a famous Sherlock Holmes story.
Do any of you remember these stories and know where and when were they =
published?
Quacking thanks
Ugo
Ole Reichstein Nielsen
Uncle $crooge RAREST issue (Overprice Street Guide)
Message 75 -
1999-10-09 at 13:47:58
ARMANDO:
>Don't misunderstand me: I'm not in a position to judge someone who
>is willing to pay $84.50 for a comic book, even if it features the *second*
>reprint of "Lemming with the locket" in the "Uncle Scrooge" series (and what
>other stories, by the way? The rarity of the item is such that we haven't
>got a complete index of its contents in the Inducks, either. Any lucky
>owners on this list?).
Used to be, and I can confirm there's nothing in it except for a muddy
print of the locket story and a lot of ads. Don't remember the cover,
but I think it was another Barks reprint.
CAREY:
>> From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
>> By the way, speaking of collecting... on eBay right now:
>>
>> Uncle Scrooge #179 RAREST issue - Whitman 09/80
>> Item #174140995
>> Current price - $85
>
>I'm absolutely stunned! By the end of this auction this comic
>went for $510.00!! Guide is $75.00 for near mint! Original price
>was 40 cents!!!!!!
D'oh! The copy I practically gave(!) away was in almost NM (I think)
or six times the value of the VG copy mentioned above. D'oh! D'OH!
At least I know it's kept in a safe place by someone who cares, and
I can't say I wasn't warned that the book was somewhat special.
But, boy, do some good deeds get punished hard...
oLe
_U
>Don't misunderstand me: I'm not in a position to judge someone who
>is willing to pay $84.50 for a comic book, even if it features the *second*
>reprint of "Lemming with the locket" in the "Uncle Scrooge" series (and what
>other stories, by the way? The rarity of the item is such that we haven't
>got a complete index of its contents in the Inducks, either. Any lucky
>owners on this list?).
Used to be, and I can confirm there's nothing in it except for a muddy
print of the locket story and a lot of ads. Don't remember the cover,
but I think it was another Barks reprint.
CAREY:
>> From: "Don Rosa" <(Email removed)>
>> By the way, speaking of collecting... on eBay right now:
>>
>> Uncle Scrooge #179 RAREST issue - Whitman 09/80
>> Item #174140995
>> Current price - $85
>
>I'm absolutely stunned! By the end of this auction this comic
>went for $510.00!! Guide is $75.00 for near mint! Original price
>was 40 cents!!!!!!
D'oh! The copy I practically gave(!) away was in almost NM (I think)
or six times the value of the VG copy mentioned above. D'oh! D'OH!
At least I know it's kept in a safe place by someone who cares, and
I can't say I wasn't warned that the book was somewhat special.
But, boy, do some good deeds get punished hard...
oLe
_U