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Germund Silvegren
Hi all!
I, Joakim Gunnarsson and David Gerstein currently have some original art by
Romano Scarpa and Vicar for sale at pretty low prices. The Scarpa pages are
from a 1980 S-coded story both written and drawn by the master himself. The
Vicar story is naturally D-coded and from 1982/83.
Just go to

http://www.mhk.lu.se/home/murry/scarpa/scarpa.html

to take a look. As far as we know this is the only S-coded art that's been
offered for sale. More info on the web site.

/germund
Wdposter
I'll have to agree with Don on the Whitmans. I have been filling in these
numbers in my meager WDC&S and $crooge collection. The whitmans are
available for a $1 or $2 fairly often around the States here, and even more
so now that comics have taken an overall decrease in popularity. (IMHO)
I was just asking myself that same question about which of those issues was
the expensive one. Its just a matter of time before I see it for the usual
"Whitman" price.....meaning someone priced it as a whitman comic and not a
"rare" comic. For some reason, these witman era comics are not sought after.
Best wishes to all
Martin
Bhc
OLE:

>Not a investment collector myself I have still witnessed how Bruce Hamilton
>raised the bucks for publishing our beloved Gladstone comics by adding a
>little twist to the idea of selling. Instead of trying to sell as many
>copies of a book, or porcelain trash, or whatever, his marketing policy
>was trying to sell as *few* as possible!

As *few* as possible? As FEW as possible?! My God, Ole, what you witnessed
must've been happening on the Bizarro World, 'cause it sure didn't happen
here. One never has to *try* to sell as few items as possible, especially
in the publishing game, because that happens with staggering and depressing
regularity all by itself!

>That's right - strange as it may
>sound that is indeed the way one gets the attention of a certain market
>segment. Simply because the item is in limited supply one can get away
>with raising the price tenfold or more.

If there is any interest in the item, and within that interest sufficient
demand for the item, and within that demand sufficient capital to buy the
item at whatever price is set, be it onefold or tenfold over whatever
factors you care to conjure with. And that, by the way, is a business
fundamental, not a "twist".

>Because the collectors will only
>buy if the item is scarce and expensive enough.

The vast, overwhelming, 99.9% percent majority of actual collectors buy
what they're looking for at the best price they can find, and if they do
splurge it is due to an overwhelming desire to have an item for its own
sake. The remaining .1% are folks with more money than sense going after
one thing: bragging rights.

>"Then wrap it in gold foil",
>indeed. Don probably remembers with dread the month when he was signing and
>drawing away for the limited edition of "Life of $crooge". :-)

I'd have to say that Don would have been far happier if we'd never
approached him with the project in the first place. Still, devotion to the
cause, and a shekel or two, seemed to carry him through.

Gary

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"I took the liberty of updating your resume. I'm guessing you'll need it
soon" - the world's smartest garbage man
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Gladstone *still* on the Web: http://www.brucehamilton.com/gladstone

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Ole Reichstein Nielsen
GARY LEACH:
>As *few* as possible? As FEW as possible?! My God, Ole, what you witnessed
>must've been happening on the Bizarro World, 'cause it sure didn't happen
>here. One never has to *try* to sell as few items as possible, especially
>in the publishing game, because that happens with staggering and depressing
>regularity all by itself!

I'm not talking comics, though it also applies to some special editions.
Take a look at - for the time being - last issue of Uncle $crooge, #318.
In the middle of the book is a two page ad for a porcelain figurine.
Next to the title "This Dollar Saved My Life At Whitehorse" and Carl
Barks familiar signature the other big lettered words are "Strictly
Limited to *15* pieces!" and "Most Low Numbers Are Sold!"

A few paragraphs in the text are dedicated to describing the product and
it's artistic background, and the other text deals with guarantees about
how limited it is, how to get your favorite numbered copy, and what happens
if is already reserved. There are three price ranges: #1 = $4,950 - #2 to
#15 = $3,500 and the last 235 copies out of a total 250 figures are not
listed. Just for the record: it is not a series of 250, where you collect
them all. There are only 250 figures made, and then the mold is destroyed
(though that isn't mentioned anywhere?!) You just have to choose if you
want to fork out $$$ for the one with the big "1" or can do with no. 214.

As a special incentive you also get a special encapsulated, *real* Barks
signature if you buy one of the 15. Probably meaning a tin box that isn't
supposed to be opened, but you can tell all your friends contains "the
master's touch". That's *really* weird. ;-)

One piece of the text mentions a 1,000 piece limited edition of "Having
Dinner With Snow White", and how "due to response from collectors edition
sizes are now sometimes drastically reduced, as in this most recent case."

Peoples' exhibit A.

ME>That's right - strange as it may
ME>sound that is indeed the way one gets the attention of a certain market
ME>segment. Simply because the item is in limited supply one can get away
ME>with raising the price tenfold or more.

>If there is any interest in the item, and within that interest sufficient
>demand for the item, and within that demand sufficient capital to buy the
>item at whatever price is set, be it onefold or tenfold over whatever
>factors you care to conjure with. And that, by the way, is a business
>fundamental, not a "twist".

I know business fundamentals, and while you focus on demand, my point is
that it is somehow inversely related to supply. By artificially reducing
and limiting supply a demand, which wouldn't otherwise have existed, is
created. If ten times the number of the described porcelain figures were
made they could probably also sell, but not at the prices given.

Some of the buyers who are willing to pay thousands perhaps wouldn't give
a hundred dollars for the same product, if it wasn't because part of the
quality of the product is its exclusiveness itself.

ME>Because the collectors will only
ME>buy if the item is scarce and expensive enough.

>The vast, overwhelming, 99.9% percent majority of actual collectors buy
>what they're looking for at the best price they can find, and if they do
>splurge it is due to an overwhelming desire to have an item for its own
>sake. The remaining .1% are folks with more money than sense going after
>one thing: bragging rights.

I believe and hope so too. But it's obvious that the publisher above isn't
interested to get as many buyers as possible and still making a few bucks
on each. It's so much more profitable and interesting and exclusive to
do business with people, whose first priority isn't if it'll look nice
over the fireplace. Not that I'll blame the comics publishers for coming
up with that economic paradigm.

DON ROSA (in digest #182)
>And by the way, regardless
>of what you heard, Europe was a significant and important portion of
>Gladstone's sales. At least that's what Hamilton and the editor-in-chief
>John Clark tell me... I was talking to John Clark just today on that very
>subject.

That would have been my impression too, but nonetheless when I suggested
this oon this list Gary replied (on March 21st 1997):

O>[...] My guess is that half
O>the print run of the Gladstone titles go abroad for die-hard Disney
O>fans like me.
>
>Nope. At least 95% of the print run is distributed right here in the good
>ol' U.S. of A.

It occurs to me now that Gary only thought of sales that went to American
distributors, like Diamond Publishing, where my local copies come from.
My guess is that maybe up to 2,000 of the about 8-10,000 copies that
actually got sold (as opposed to the just as many that were shredded)
crossed the counter on a distant shore far from the crumbling American
comics market.

oLe
_U
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
GARY:

>As *few* as possible? As FEW as possible?! My God, Ole, what you witnessed
>must've been happening on the Bizarro World, 'cause it sure didn't happen
>here. One never has to *try* to sell as few items as possible, especially
>in the publishing game, because that happens with staggering and depressing
>regularity all by itself!

Well, one may not try to sell as few as possible, but he may very well try
to sell fewer units than otherwise! If I'm correct to assume that a firm
aims to maximize profits rather than quantity sold, then this price-setting
firm may very well try to *reduce* quantity sold so as to achieve such a
higher per unit price that will render its profits higher! Monopolies are
known to follow such practices, and Gladstone was a monopoly in the Disney
comics market in the U.S.

Therefore, Ole's statement *has* merit. What he seems to imply is simple:
collectors will have what economists call an *inelastic* demand for comics
(or other related items), which simply means that they don't respond much to
price changes. Hence, when the monopolist reduces its amount supplied along
an inelastic demand, price will increase by a higher % amount as compared to
the % fall in quantity sold, thereby increasing total revenues! It's not as
"crazy" as it may first sound, after all!

Cheers,

Archontis
Ole Reichstein Nielsen
I completely forgot to agree with Archontis a few digests ago:
the Italian weekly, Topolino, is really becoming a very good
competitor for the title "Best Weekly Disney book".

The stories (or some of them anyway) are often well-written and
thought out, and especially the art has improved significantly
since the time of the Disney takover of the previous publisher,
Mondadori. The artists are now not only allowed but encouragd to
use and experiment with their own style. Even Cavazzano is getting
better, and this after everybody else was urged to copy his most
simplistic style: the Erickson/Cavazzano-story published in the
USA a few years ago was not by far a credit to Cavazzano's genious.

The reason for this mail was in fact Francesco Spreafico's reply
to Archontis, where he showed some dissatisfaction with Paolo
Mottura's art. Presumably this was based only on the *very* unusual
art that is used for the back-up stories in the future-super-hero
comic "Paperinik - New Adventures". Those may take an effort to
get used to. :-)

But Mottura is a very skilled artist, as is Tito Faraci one of the
best writers in Italian Disney comics today. IMHO, of course, but when I
saw on my weekly visit to the Topolino web page that "L' Ombra del Drago",
"The Shadow of the Dragon" (mentioned by Archontis too as a highlight) by
the two was published in Topolino #2281, I immediately got my hopes up that
it will appear in the Egmont pocket books within the next couple of years.

If you would like to see the same example of the skills of these two
relative newcomers to Disney comics as I did, you should try and look
for their story, "Dalla parte sbagliata", "On the Wrong Side/Switching
Sides"(?), published Europe-wide a few months ago in the giant pockets.
Look for "I TL 2227-5" in the Inducks database for exact publication in
your country. Or send me a mail, and I'll try to figure it out for you.
That's what Tito and Paolo pay me for afterall. ;-)

oLe
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Francesco Spreafico
Ole:

> The reason for this mail was in fact Francesco Spreafico's reply
> to Archontis, where he showed some dissatisfaction with Paolo
> Mottura's art. Presumably this was based only on the *very* unusual
> art that is used for the back-up stories in the future-super-hero
> comic "Paperinik - New Adventures". Those may take an effort to
> get used to. :-)

No need to get used.. the right thing there is to ignore them :-)

> But Mottura is a very skilled artist, as is Tito Faraci one of the
> best writers in Italian Disney comics today. IMHO, of course, but when I
> saw on my weekly visit to the Topolino web page that "L' Ombra del Drago",
> "The Shadow of the Dragon" (mentioned by Archontis too as a highlight) by
> the two was published in Topolino #2281, I immediately got my hopes up
that
> it will appear in the Egmont pocket books within the next couple of years.

Oooh.. *THAT* is Mottura! Yes!! Great story then!!

I have to keep reminding myself that not being able to draw ducks doesn't
necessarily mean not being able to draw mice... Mastantuono is another...
with Mice these guy are very good!

Sprea
Homebrew
OLE, et. al.:

+AD4APgA+-I believe and hope so too. But it's obvious that the publisher above
isn't
interested to get as many buyers as possible and still making a few bucks
on each. It's so much more profitable and interesting and exclusive to
do business with people, whose first priority isn't if it'll look nice
over the fireplace. Not that I'll blame the comics publishers for coming
up with that economic paradigm.
+AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQ-

All this talk about the deliberate short-stocking or limiting production so
as to inflate the desirability of so-called +ACI-collectibles+ACI- reminds me of the
old story about the bum on the street trying to sell an apple for +ACQ-10,000.
When asked why he thought such a business approach was logical, his reply
was, +ACI-I only need to sell one.+ACI-

There are a lot of apple merchants out there. Some of my most cherished
possessions are by no means rare, but you couldn't make me sell them at any
price. There are plenty of toys out there that are just as handsome as the
multiple-tillion dollar shelf-sitters. I cannot imagine ever seeing a
+ACQ-crooge figure that beats the +ACQ-50 talking bank / clock that the Disney Store
sold a couple of years ago. It's attractive, it's a typical pose of the old
curmudgeon, and it talks+ACE- Plus, I can buy 200 of them for the price of one
apple.

Dan Shane ( Homebrew+AEA-homebrew.win.net )
Michael Naiman
Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse?

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Per Starback
Black Pete has an accomplice who like Pete himself has had many names
over the years, but who seems to be a consistent character anyway.
On the DCML pages I call him Catfoot
(see <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/dcml/chars/catfoot.html>
since I got the impression from this list that that was the most
used or most "official" name for him. But in the Inducks he is
instead called "Scuttle". Is there a good case for one of his names
(he has had others as well) to be used more than others? What are the
facts?

(On that page I ask

> [Is Catfoot the preferred name to use, or should this page be called
> something else? What is he called in current Egmont stories?]

so evidently I wasn't really sure of this in 1997 when I wrote that.)

--
Per Starback <(Email removed)> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Erik Blankinship
I am looking for a disney comic in which huewey, dewey, and louie use a
"special" camera to retrieve pictures of the past.

I used INDUCKS to search for camera comics, but was not able to find any
thing which stood out as *the* comic.

One title, "A camera tetradimensional", sounds promising, but was not
released in english which makes me think this is not the one I am looking
for.

Any help would be appreciated. I remember reading this comic once and now
this sort of "special camera" is the focus of my research!

Thanks
Erik Blankinship
http://www.media.mit.edu/~erikb/
Anders Chr. Sivebaek
Hi folks
I returned from greece a cuple of days ago and I had a great trip.
I'm glad I got through the airport... I mean, my mother was worried My
luggage
would be to heavy, from all the comics I brought with me...

Among other things we visitted the offices of the magazine Komix (in the
same
builiding they make many others of the greek Ntisney-publications.
They were very friendly, talked with us, and gave us a bag of all their
different
publications. I didn't mention that I had already bought much of it but it
will be good
swapping material (Hi Ole!)
Dennis Tzavaras, my friend and list-member showed me around in Athens
as did also our friend Kriton. Also I finally got to meet my chat-friend
"duckmaster"

I found many of the chapters of the series Once upon a time in America.
They ran
from issue 1703 of the greek weekly. and untill when? Ole tells me there's
13 chapters
now, but for me it looks like they stop in issue 1712... Is that right?
I even found part 8, which from unexplainable reasons hasn't been published
in DK...
parts 11 till 13 might come. After all before chapter 6 there was a brake
of 20 issues
or so in the series of books, wherein they are published here, back till
the one where part 5 is published

PER
> > [Is Catfoot the preferred name to use, or should this page be called
> > something else? What is he called in current Egmont stories?]
In DK he's called Lusk, with would mean that he is at all not an honest...
erm animal. And that is quite consistent I think. I have always thought of
him as having that name... I don't even know what Scuttle means...
And catfoot? To me he looks more like some kind og dog...

HARRY
> 1. The next album, #101, in the (Barks) series "De Beste Verhalen van
Donald
> Duck" is called "DD als vrachtwagenchauffeur" (DD as truck driver). I
have
> no idea which Barks story fits with this title...
It could be one of the ones where he is the guy that moves stuff for
people...
Either that or they changed the concept? Maybe they are going to reprint
Vicar-stories.... aargh... excuse me Vicar-fans but it is still so easy to
find his
stories second-hand that the different publishers don't have to republish
the story...

> (Cover by Jippes. To be published in week 45.)

> 2. The next album, #62, in the (Rosa) series "Oom Dagobert" will contain
the
> following Rosa stories: Treasure Under Glass, Nobody's Business, On
Stolen
> Time (I think. Dutch title = "Time is Money").
> (Cover by Rosa. To be published in week 49.)
Sounds good.
Fluks, H.W.
1. The next album, #101, in the (Barks) series "De Beste Verhalen van Donald
Duck" is called "DD als vrachtwagenchauffeur" (DD as truck driver). I have
no idea which Barks story fits with this title...
(Cover by Jippes. To be published in week 45.)

2. The next album, #62, in the (Rosa) series "Oom Dagobert" will contain the
following Rosa stories: Treasure Under Glass, Nobody's Business, On Stolen
Time (I think. Dutch title = "Time is Money").
(Cover by Rosa. To be published in week 49.)

3. Daan Jippes has redrawn the JW story "Wailing Whalers" (W JW 15-01),
which is in the Dutch weekly this week.

4. Jippes, who now lives in Holland again (Bussum, actually), will work on
the recreation of old gags from the popular series "Jan, Jans en de
kinderen" by Jan Kruis. Non-Disney, indeed. Let's hope he still has time to
redraw JW stories...

--Harry.

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Fluks, H.W.
Erik:

> I am looking for a disney comic in which huewey, dewey, and
> louie use a
> "special" camera to retrieve pictures of the past.

I don't remember this one, but I *do* remember a Mickey story: "Lost
Treasure Trackers" (W MM 84-02, Paul Murry), from Mickey Mouse #84,
reprinted in Mickey Mouse #167.
In this story, Mickey and Goofy have a camera that can take pictures from
the past. In the end, the camera gets destroyed.

--Harry.
Gpantzer
Don performed his usual magic trick and entertained we
loyal fans from 9am until almost 5pm without ever leaving
the table or stopping for food or drink. I never saw him even
stand to stretch. How does he do that? I should mention
that the show officially ended at 4pm.

I will not attempt to name everyone from the ML who came
because I will forget at least one and feel bad. Almost every
one from the Feb show made it back and at least 2 others
stopped by. I guess-timate about 10 total from this list. There
is no group photo to make fun of this time. There never was
more than 4 or 5 of us at one time by the table, less at times.

We covered the usual topics and Don patiently answered
questions he must have answered SO many times before.
Of course, #1 here was when we might be able to see the
ducks published in the USA again (no encouraging word).

I had brought a number of 'foreign' publications along for
Don to sign and they turned out to be a great attraction with
the rest of the group. It was like water to a person suffering
from thirst in the desert, to see new Rosa covers and stories
by Don. I had a number of French Picsou mags with me and
when I explained that I had a subscription via Canada, they
wanted info. Below is text from an e-mail from them:
***********************
The subscription price is $49 US
You can subscribe with a credit card (we accept VISA, MASTER
and AMERICAN EXPRESS) on the phone at: 1-800-363-1310
or E-mail: www.expressmag.com
or you can send a check at: EXPRESS MAG, PO Box 2769,
Plattsburgh, NY USA 12901-0239
**********************
One light moment came when a fellow stopped by with some
items for Don to sign. He asked "How much do you charge to
sign books?". Don replied "What are you willing to pay?" as the
rest of us tried not to L-O-L. The fellow was stunned for a moment
and Don explained there was no charge. Don told the man he
had never heard of anyone in the comic book industry charging
for an autograph. The gent said he has had to pay for some, but
I did not hear if he mentioned names.

A woman and a young boy stopped by. He enjoys reading the
Disney books his father has, but his main interest this day was
buying Pokemon trading cards. This led to a discussion on the
greed, manipulation,etc out there today. They are grapping 'em
young as they can. I should have asked the boy if he ever heard
of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Masters of the Universe. I
stopped by one of the vendors (hiya D+J) and asked if they had
any Scrooge comics. "We don't have #179". VERY funny. His
partner said he used to have 2 copies of that issue. I left before
he started crying. That's all, wake up now. Thanks to the one or
2 of you who read this far. Thank you, Don.
Gary (no catch-phrase) Pantzer
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