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>From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: needs help. Recognize story?
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:50:04 EEST
>
>Hi
>
>I have put few scans on my page:
>http://members.xoom.com/timoro/DDstory
>
>I hope someone could find out if this DD-story is what I think it is.
>Is it redrawn version of 1952 DD-story in DDFC 379 (DD22)? If so, do you
>have original comic?
>Story is about big fishing competition and it has 10 pgs.
>This version is from Finnish Aku Ankka 16/1958.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Timo Ronkainen
>
>
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Inducks says:
W OS 379-03 10 d1 DD [desc:Big fishing contest]
| [xapp:DD,GL,HDL,US]
| de: 57-22*
| dk: AA57-22*
| se: 57-22*

se/57-22c W OS 379-03 10 d1 DD [desc:Big fishing contest]
[xapp:DD,
| GL,HDL,US] [changes:redrawn]

which means that there at least exists a redrawn version.
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>From: "Fluks, H.W." <H.W.Fluks at kpn.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: RE: Marco Rota
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:12:00 +0100

>Interesting detail: they obviously used our Inducks database for their Rota
>index. Even a Dutch title for one of Rota's glue stories ("Wat vooraf
>ging") made it into their index. No acknowledgements to Inducks, though.
>It's all "copyright Disney"...
>(Quite a difference to Disney Italia!)

Is really the Norwegian part enough complete for this? They say that it is
not complete ("Indekset er ikke komplett!"), but isn't some information too
old to be in Inducks yet?

BTW, why don't they use the Swedish/Danish titles for the following ones?
Seems quite odd to me!

<<Skandinaviske utgivelser ikke utgitt i Norge (?)

ICWDN 58

22

G Dalmasso

"Wat vooraf ging"

KA Pocket 21

DD

I 855 B

14

M Gazzarri

"T e la via carovaniera"

Super Ekstra 8

MM

I 877 C

21

M Gazzarri

"T e la carta straccia"

OJ 1977: 04

MM

I 902 B

31

A Barosso

"ZP e il nabucodonosor da .."

Jumbobog 37

OS

I 1636 A

30

M Rota

"Survivor of the Swamps"

Dk: MM 1/90

OS >>
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Don (Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:05 PM):

> > Don asked about the baseball playing ghost
> And no one has come up with an explanation yet. Everyone was
> as puzzled as I was by the scene?

I haven't seen the cover. But isn't it possible that the cover just features
a ghost for the sake of the joke? Maybe not a good joke, or one you don't
get...

> Also, the French know that I want
> the Money Bin coins to be silver and copper so they color
> them that way for
> my stories, and they even put a "$" on the Bin rather than a
> "f" which is nice of them.

This sounds horrible to me. Every country has its own traditions for Disney
stories. In my country, coins are always yellow, and bills are green. Even
if Dutch coins are silver and copper, and Dutch bills have all kinds of
colours.
The money is called "Gulden" and Scrooge has a big "f" sign on his bin. I
would be offended if the Dutch editors put a dollar sign on Scrooge's bin,
just to please the author of the story.
Also, the Egmont colouring of Life-of-Scrooge chapter 12 (which they also
used in Holland) still looks very strange to me. It's against the Dutch
tradition.

BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge is
Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...

--Harry.

Yossi Horowitz asked about the availability of LTo$M.
To my amazement I found the English! versions of LTo$M in
Espoo city library's database (in Finland).
Apparently Gladstone published all parts of LTo$M in four
comic books. Here is relevant parts of the information from
that database translated:
(Names were given in English so they are the correct ones)
(I didn't mess with them :-)

Creator: Rosa, Don
Name: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures the first
two years of
McDuck adventures
Part: Part one, 0001
Publishing data: Prescott (Ariz.), Gladstone;
Identifier: cls0061179
Appearance: [54] pages, pictures, 28 cm
Languege: Eng
General data: Walt Disney -productions
Contents: The first two years of McDuck adventures; Uncle
Scrooge
adventures
Other creators: Disney, Walt

Creator: Rosa, Don
Name: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures the first two
years of
McDuck adventures
Part: Part two, 0002
Publishing data: Prescott (Ariz.), Gladstone;
Identifier: cls0061182
Appearance: [42] pages, pictures, 28 cm
Language: Eng
General data: Walt Disney -productions
Contents: The first two years of McDuck adventures; Uncle
Scrooge
adventures
Other creators: Disney, Walt

Creator: Rosa, Don
Name: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures the life and
times of
Scrooge McDuck 1896 to 1902
Publishing data: Prescott (Ariz.), Gladstone, 1996
Identifier: cls0040018
Appearance: [56] pages, pictures, 28 cm
Language: Eng
General data: Covername: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures in
color
Contents: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures in color
Other creators: Disney, Walt

Creator: Rosa, Don
Name: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures the life and
times of
Scrooge McDuck 1902 to 1947
Publishing data: Prescott (Ariz.), Gladstone, 1996
Identifier: cls0041091
Appearance: [60] pages, pictures, 28 cm
Language: Eng
General data: Covername: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures in
color
Contents: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge adventures in color
Other creators: Disney, Walt

That identifier number might be similar to ISBN, at least they don't
give any
other data like that. If ISBN would be available it would have been
mentioned
in the database. A hardcover version containing all the stories has
indeed been
published in several European countries and in several languages. I am
not
sure if there is or isn't an English version available. Are any other
languages
possible for you to use?

Here is parts of the data for Finnish version:
Creator: Rosa, Don
Name: Roope Ankan el?m? ja teot, piirt?nyt ja kirjoittanut
Don Rosa
Publishing data: Helsinki Media Company Oy 1997
ISBN: 951-32-0355-7
Other creators: Disney, Walt

Now if the name of the book contains funny characters it's because my
computer
represents the special scandinavian letters with the same bitstring your
computer uses for some other characters. Just replace ? with an a with
two
dots on top of it, or just use an a. Anyway the book is in Finnish, and
I
do believe that it is impossible to read with only a dictionary. At
least
some knowledge of the language is required. With Germany, France or
Swedish etc.
it might just be possible since they are more similar to English.

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*Could other readers of DCML give data about other available languages
and books?*
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It might be easiest if you could find those four comics, then you would
have
the whole series.

happy hunting
Kari.Lepola at hut.fi

> From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>

I have to revise my previous opinion about the story as put on the
internet by Timo:

> http://members.xoom.com/timoro/DDstory

It IS redrawn, definitely; but the re-inking was done very close to the
original, and the odd "bad" look of the story in the Finnish edition was not
due to the redrawing, but due to the fact that the original story was looking
very dubious. Please compare the pictures of the link above with a scan
out of the original comic book (OS 379):

http://www.fortunecity.de/lindenpark/foto/597/bfc_00.jpg

(there is also a scan out of a German reprint [Micky Maus 22/1957]
available:

http://www.fortunecity.de/lindenpark/foto/597/bfc_01.jpg )

WW

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We have been talking about the availability of comics from
libraries, especially Uncle $crooge comics.
In Finland libraries buy copies of all popular comics, also
of those which are published weekly or monthly. They keep them
as long as they stay in a readable condition, usually two or
three years, after that they get thrown away. You can borrow
them home, except for the newest issue which you can only read
at the library. If publishers make annual volumes they buy them
also and those last much longer. Now I am curious to know, how
are these things in other countries?
Are "consumption"/"soft-paper-back" comics available from libraries?

Kari.Lepola at hut.fi

PEDRO CRAVO, about Brazilian "History of
Computers" story (digest #145):

> I've been scanning and uploading the story to this address:
>http://www.terravista.pt/MeiaPraia/1371/disney/disney.htm
>For now there are only 13 pages, but I'll try to scan and upload the rest of
>them as soon as I can.

Great, I didn't know this story; the first 13
pages seem to be very nice and I am looking forward
to see the rest of it.

-- Arthur.