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From: "Anders Christian Sivebaek"
re: the Finnish printing of "The Coin"
>>>I heard from one of my finnish friends that it's seeable. EGA-printing,
he called it, and it sounds like that page in the german Rosa-al?bum
where they used something like a fax of that extra page you did for the
american version of the Incredible Shrinking Tightwad.

Just so you do not have people thinking that I would simply fax art to
someone for use in the printing of my work --The Germans had crystal clear
photostats made directly from the original art that I personally mailed
them. Why they printed it so muddy...? They don't know how to use their
computer scanning equipment, I guess. Needless to say, this is one of the
frustrations and disappointments that gradually wears down my enthusiasm
for all this. At least it was nice to see the entire story printed in one
place by Ehapa, even with some muddy art, whereas Egmont's version was
limited to 24 pages, and Gladstone's version was censored by Disney.
By the way, could anyone supply me with the last two German Rosa albums?
I'd naturally like to have them, but they seem to have stopped sending me
copies from the publisher.

>From: signoryluo <signoryluo at sina.com>
>To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
>Subject: I'm sorry I'm late!
>Date: Tue May 23 11:04:52 CST 2000

>I'd like to receive as much information as possible from you.

Well, what information do you want?
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Hi!

Thanks to all who (wunderwurm at gmx.ch -
Stefan Persson <reimersholme at hotmail.com> -
Jenny Iversen) helped me with the DD-story!
quite amazing how so clumsy artwork got printed in 1952, when Westerns
standards were pretty high level. Maybe it was done by somebodys nephew ;)

About the question, which currency symbol should be on Scrooges bin:
IMO the dollar sign is the only one, since Scrooge IS US citizen. Otherwise
it can be left empty.
I´d find it rather disturbing if there´d be "MK" (as for finnish markka)in
Finnish edition (I guess in some cases there was).

If anyone needs scans of Finnish D-comics stuff I might provide some.

Timo R

.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on cowslip - far from me!"

timoro at hotmail.com
http://members.xoom.com/timoro

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Harry Fluks in Digest #156:

> BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge is
> Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...

But possibly true?

The story in question is W WDC 125-04 (no title) about Scrooge hiring
Bad Pete(!) to spy on Grandma Duck(!!).

It was published as early as in February 1951, and is conspicuously
missing in an index by Luca Bosci (possibly with the help of Alberto
Becattini) in Zio Paperone #117. This lists "The first nine non-Barks
appearances by Scrooge McDuck" and goes:

1) W OS 300-03 "The Fire Brigade" (November 1950, art by Paul Murry)
2) W WH B6-01 "DD - Trailblazer" (1950, art by Bob Moore)
3) W WDC 123-04 "Grandma Duck" (December 1950, art by Riley Thompson)
4) W WH C1-01 "DD and the Inca Idol" (1951, art by Paul Murry)
5) W WDC 127-04 "Grandma Duck" (April 1951, art by Riley Thompson)
6) W WH C5-01 "DD and the Lost Lakes" (1951, art by Bob Moore)
7) W VP 2-02 "DD Captures the Range Rustlers" (July 1951, art by Paul Murry)
8) W WH C8-01 "DD Deep Sea Diver" (1951, art by Riley Thompson)
9) W OS 379-02 "DD in Southern Hospitality" (March/April 1951, art by Bob Moore)

Allowing for the unknown publishing dates of the several Wheaties Premiums
stories in the list, it would still place W WDC 125-04 at a fifth place.
Meaning that it is one of the very, very first stories, written and drawn by
anyone else but Barks, who had been the only to use the character for almost
three years since he invented Scrooge for "Christmas on Bear Mountain" in 1947.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Barks didn't write any stories with Grandma
Duck and her brief appearances in other stories don't give clues to exactly
*whose* grandmother she is. Even Scrooge calls her "Grandma" as does Gus in
VP 1-09 "Donald's Grandma Duck".

We've been over this discussion before, and that Don Rosa finally decided
(based on the available information - or lack of it - in Bark's stories)
to the now commonly accepted family tree. It would however by fair to
grant that though Barks created Scrooge (and Gus Goose), and Taliaferro's
mother-in-law inspired him to Grandma Duck, it would be a third and unknown
writer who established the family relationship between them. Her appearance
outside the dailies had started only a few months before in W WDC 121 and
it is likely that the editors would have asked the writer of the new feature
in WDC&S to use her along with the relatively new Barks-character Scrooge.

It would be interesting to hear from anyone with the original language
editions of these early Scrooge stories what exactly the dialog says.
The early WDC Grandma Duck stories have (sadly) never been reprinted in
English, but I suspect that the Dutch translator may have chosen to "do
the right thing" and translate correctly, even if it may have confused
poor Harry.

oLe
_U

For those with access

Harry:
> BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge is
Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...

Ole:
> The story in question is W WDC 125-04 (no title) about Scrooge hiring
> Bad Pete(!) to spy on Grandma Duck(!!).
>
> It would be interesting to hear from anyone with the original language
> editions of these early Scrooge stories what exactly the dialog says.
> The early WDC Grandma Duck stories have (sadly) never been
> reprinted in
> English, but I suspect that the Dutch translator may have
> chosen to "do
> the right thing" and translate correctly, even if it may have confused
> poor Harry.

Hi Harry and Ole,

It is possible that the Dutch translator may have add this but in the other
dutch reprint (weekly 29 from 1955) Scrooge refers to her only as "Grandma"
and the piece of text mentioning the "Brother of ..." isn't in the old
reprint.

Roy (http://mars.spaceports.com/~ddossier)
(back to lurking mode..)

Hey, guys,

All this discussion of early Scrooge appearances has me wondering...
...what, pray tell, are the first appearances of *Gladstone* by
someone other than Carl Barks? I know the (1951) fishing contest story we
lately discussed must have been one of the first, but is there anything
earlier?

David Gerstein
<dge at ecn.egmont.com>

Janne Heino (Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:27 PM):

> The newest Aku Ankka [..] had an amazing cover of
> the Coin story (of course made by Don Rosa).

Can you tell us the issue number? 18 or 19 or so?

--Harry.

Thanks for all who gave information about comics and libraries.
One lives, and one learns more. :-)

For Harry:
"The Coin" was in Aku Ankka 18/2000 published 3.5.00 (dd.mm.yy)
ISSN for Aku Ankka is 0355-2101

Kari.Lepola at hut.fi