From: "timo ronkainen"
>>>About the question, which currency symbol should be on Scrooges bin:
IMO the dollar sign is the only one, since Scrooge IS US citizen.
That all depends on what country you're in when you read the story. It
Italy the Duck stories (they tell me) have *always* taken place in America,
even the ones done in Italy. In other countries, it depends on what the
editor decided years ago when they started using the reprints. In Holland
the stories take place in Holland. In Germany the stories take place in a
fantasy world.
The matter in question was regarding how the French treat my stories,
putting the dollar sign on the Bin and the proper silver coins inside it,
because they know that's the way I (the author) want it. But what else can
they do? In the new "Attaaaack!" story (again, the one at hand), an army is
called on which visually, in uniforms and equipment, is *clearly* the
American army. And then in my "Lo$" stories, Duckburg is clearly in
America. I can't dictate that different countries adhere to the original
script and setting of my stories, and I appreciate it when they do. Whether
or not a reader in a foreign (to me) country is insulted that his editor
did something "to please the writer of the story" (if that's what
translating a script accurately is), I'm sorry about it but I can't worry
about that. One absolute truth I've learned in 13 years of doing these
stories: "YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY. So don't try."
From: "Ole Reichstein Nielsen"
> BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge is
Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...
>>>But possibly true? We've been over this discussion before, and that Don
Rosa finally decided
(based on the available information - or lack of it - in Bark's stories)
to the now commonly accepted family tree. It would however by fair to
grant that though Barks created Scrooge (and Gus Goose), and Taliaferro's
mother-in-law inspired him to Grandma Duck, it would be a third and unknown
writer who established the family relationship between them.
Maybe I didn't make my stance clear in that earlier discussion you refer
to. There have always been myriad different versions of Duck relatives and
Duck histories in the 60+ years of these stories. It's impossible to base a
set of stories on *all* previous versions, so I pick one. I pick Barks, not
because he was always first, but because (I think) he was always best. And
I had no "lack" on information on Barks' idea in the matter. His 1950's
Family Tree showed Grandma as no relation to $crooge, and the Family Tree
he created and sent me in the 90's, though slightly different in some ways,
still showed Grandma and $crooge were not related. And this is a better
idea, even if I had to pick one outta the blue -- why have a lopsided
Family Tree? All families have two sets of grandparents (well, except in
places like here in rural Kentucky, but enough about that), so why cram
$crooge and Grandma over into one side and leave the other side devoid of
noteworthy, interesting characters? Not to mention the other problems of
$crooge supposedly being of Scottish origin, and Grandma of "old pioneer
farming stock" and UN -Scottish.
Now, whether all this is "possibly true" is NOT my point. I've said many,
many times that no reader is required to accept any particular version of a
story-universe as jumbled by thousands of writers and artists as this
60-year-old Duck Universe. I'm just saying how and why things are in *my*
stories. Whether a reader accepts that version (or, again, whether it
insults another reader), I can't worry about that. I just do it all the way
I think best, and hope that pleases more readers than it angers.
Author
Topic: 200005
(210 messages)
Don Rosa
Digest #157
Message 136 -
2000-05-24 at 15:18:16
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Gold money
Message 137 -
2000-05-24 at 18:25:02
HARRY FLUKS, 22 MAY 2000:
> Every country has its own traditions for Disney stories. In my country,
> coins are always yellow, and bills are green. Even if Dutch coins are
> silver and copper, and Dutch bills have all kinds of colours.
I like the gold coloured money because I find it visually more attractive.
For me, the gold colour emphasizes Scrooge's wealth.
Carl Barks' money bin paintings also use a gold colour for the money.
Besides the more wealthy look, the gold colour also gives the money bin
a 'warm' atmosphere. I think the paintings would have looked less
attractive with silver and bronze colours only.
> The money is called "Gulden" and Scrooge has a big "f" sign on his bin.
> I would be offended if the Dutch editors put a dollar sign on Scrooge's
> bin, just to please the author of the story.
I think that the general reader will find a comic more attactrive when it's
something of their own. Using the currency of the reader's country is a way
to reach that.
Still, I find it a pity that there's no European comic using the English
language. (One comic for all European countries.) Is the market really to
small for that? Or are there other problems in reaching that. License
matters, for example?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> Every country has its own traditions for Disney stories. In my country,
> coins are always yellow, and bills are green. Even if Dutch coins are
> silver and copper, and Dutch bills have all kinds of colours.
I like the gold coloured money because I find it visually more attractive.
For me, the gold colour emphasizes Scrooge's wealth.
Carl Barks' money bin paintings also use a gold colour for the money.
Besides the more wealthy look, the gold colour also gives the money bin
a 'warm' atmosphere. I think the paintings would have looked less
attractive with silver and bronze colours only.
> The money is called "Gulden" and Scrooge has a big "f" sign on his bin.
> I would be offended if the Dutch editors put a dollar sign on Scrooge's
> bin, just to please the author of the story.
I think that the general reader will find a comic more attactrive when it's
something of their own. Using the currency of the reader's country is a way
to reach that.
Still, I find it a pity that there's no European comic using the English
language. (One comic for all European countries.) Is the market really to
small for that? Or are there other problems in reaching that. License
matters, for example?
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Brother Scrooge and Sister Grandma, a workaround?
Message 138 -
2000-05-24 at 18:26:38
HARRY FLUKS, 22 MAY 2000:
> BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge
> is Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...
Maybe a workaround could be that they only *look* at each other as being
sister and brother? Scrooge and Grandma are both the olders members of
the Duck family, so maybe that gives them some kind of family feeling
towards each other and a reason to look at themselves as siblings?
I don't know what is usual in other countries, but here in The Netherlands
children sometimes say "aunt" or "uncle" to friends of their parents.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
> BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge
> is Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...
Maybe a workaround could be that they only *look* at each other as being
sister and brother? Scrooge and Grandma are both the olders members of
the Duck family, so maybe that gives them some kind of family feeling
towards each other and a reason to look at themselves as siblings?
I don't know what is usual in other countries, but here in The Netherlands
children sometimes say "aunt" or "uncle" to friends of their parents.
Greetings,
--- Daniel
Eta Beta
Early Gladstones
Message 139 -
2000-05-24 at 19:40:39
DAVID, HARRY
>> ...what, pray tell, are the first appearances of *Gladstone* by
>> someone other than Carl Barks? I know the (1951) fishing
>> contest story we
>> lately discussed must have been one of the first, but is
>> there anything earlier?
>
>I found one Scrooge story, just a few months earlier:
>
>W OS 353-04 6 BMo US
>[desc:The missing dollar] [xapp:US,GL,GD] [ser:Album]
>
>(DD Album Four Color 353, dated November 1951, 6 pages, art Moore, featuring
>Scrooge, Gladstone and Grandma.)
>
>
>The Fishing Contest story was in Donald Duck Four Color 379, dated March
>1952.
There's also W CP 4-02 (Uncle Scrooge's Generous Deed), 11/52, a very
brief appearance, of the sort we call "cameo" (in fact, it's not recorded
in Inducks yet)
>As far as we know, the first non-Barks story with Gladstone in WDC is in
>1961 (WDC 247)!
But there's a Bradbury one in W DD 28-04 (apple slogans), from 3/53,
and he was used in Italy as early as 1952, the first I've found is
I AO 52369-A Paperino e i due marziani, by Anzi, 12/52
Cheers
Eta Beta
>> ...what, pray tell, are the first appearances of *Gladstone* by
>> someone other than Carl Barks? I know the (1951) fishing
>> contest story we
>> lately discussed must have been one of the first, but is
>> there anything earlier?
>
>I found one Scrooge story, just a few months earlier:
>
>W OS 353-04 6 BMo US
>[desc:The missing dollar] [xapp:US,GL,GD] [ser:Album]
>
>(DD Album Four Color 353, dated November 1951, 6 pages, art Moore, featuring
>Scrooge, Gladstone and Grandma.)
>
>
>The Fishing Contest story was in Donald Duck Four Color 379, dated March
>1952.
There's also W CP 4-02 (Uncle Scrooge's Generous Deed), 11/52, a very
brief appearance, of the sort we call "cameo" (in fact, it's not recorded
in Inducks yet)
>As far as we know, the first non-Barks story with Gladstone in WDC is in
>1961 (WDC 247)!
But there's a Bradbury one in W DD 28-04 (apple slogans), from 3/53,
and he was used in Italy as early as 1952, the first I've found is
I AO 52369-A Paperino e i due marziani, by Anzi, 12/52
Cheers
Eta Beta
Fluks, H.W.
Don Rosa "digest #157"
Message 140 -
2000-05-24 at 20:05:36
Don:
> In Holland the stories take place in Holland.
Or in an unnamed country that resembles Holland. The currency and language
are the same, and sometimes the environment too.
> I can't dictate that different countries adhere to
> the original
> script and setting of my stories, and I appreciate it when
> they do. Whether
> or not a reader in a foreign (to me) country is insulted that
> his editor
> did something "to please the writer of the story" (if that's what
> translating a script accurately is), I'm sorry about it but I
> can't worry about that.
I wouldn't be "insulted" by the author, since he doesn't (need to) know
enough about the traditions in my country. But the Dutch editors *should*
know.
In the Disney comics world, the stories are not just translated. They are
adjusted to the local traditions. This has been the case since the
beginning, and it may be part of the success of Disney comics in European
countries.
[Scrooge and Grandma]
> I had no "lack" on information on Barks' idea in the matter.
> His 1950's
> Family Tree showed Grandma as no relation to $crooge, and the
> Family Tree he created and sent me in the 90's
> still showed Grandma and $crooge were not related.
Apart from these family trees, I think there was only *one* published Barks
story that hinted to the relation between Donald and Grandma, and that's the
story titled "Donald's Grandma Duck". Do I remember correctly?
--Harry.
> In Holland the stories take place in Holland.
Or in an unnamed country that resembles Holland. The currency and language
are the same, and sometimes the environment too.
> I can't dictate that different countries adhere to
> the original
> script and setting of my stories, and I appreciate it when
> they do. Whether
> or not a reader in a foreign (to me) country is insulted that
> his editor
> did something "to please the writer of the story" (if that's what
> translating a script accurately is), I'm sorry about it but I
> can't worry about that.
I wouldn't be "insulted" by the author, since he doesn't (need to) know
enough about the traditions in my country. But the Dutch editors *should*
know.
In the Disney comics world, the stories are not just translated. They are
adjusted to the local traditions. This has been the case since the
beginning, and it may be part of the success of Disney comics in European
countries.
[Scrooge and Grandma]
> I had no "lack" on information on Barks' idea in the matter.
> His 1950's
> Family Tree showed Grandma as no relation to $crooge, and the
> Family Tree he created and sent me in the 90's
> still showed Grandma and $crooge were not related.
Apart from these family trees, I think there was only *one* published Barks
story that hinted to the relation between Donald and Grandma, and that's the
story titled "Donald's Grandma Duck". Do I remember correctly?
--Harry.
Paolo Castagno
"But I though she was *your* grandmother!"
Message 141 -
2000-05-24 at 20:46:34
"Gerstein, David DK - ECN" wrote:
> what, pray tell, are the first appearances of *Gladstone* by
> someone other than Carl Barks?
The current Inducks file lists the following stories:
1951-11 W OS 353-04 (The missing dollar)
1951-11 W CP 3-02 Presents For All
1952-03 W OS 379-03 (Big fishing contest)
1952-12-27 I AO52369-A Paperino e i due marziani
1953-02 W OS 450-04 Duck Luck
1953-03 W DD 28-04 (Apple slogans)
1953-05 W DD 29-04 (Stuck arrows)
1953-06-10 I TL 68-A Paperino e la perla di Barbymoore
Ciao,
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
bah!...
(Kali' in I TL 183-A)
> what, pray tell, are the first appearances of *Gladstone* by
> someone other than Carl Barks?
The current Inducks file lists the following stories:
1951-11 W OS 353-04 (The missing dollar)
1951-11 W CP 3-02 Presents For All
1952-03 W OS 379-03 (Big fishing contest)
1952-12-27 I AO52369-A Paperino e i due marziani
1953-02 W OS 450-04 Duck Luck
1953-03 W DD 28-04 (Apple slogans)
1953-05 W DD 29-04 (Stuck arrows)
1953-06-10 I TL 68-A Paperino e la perla di Barbymoore
Ciao,
- Paolo
--
http://members.xoom.it/inducks mailto:p.castagno at libero.it
bah!...
(Kali' in I TL 183-A)
Fluks, H.W.
Early Gladstones
Message 142 -
2000-05-24 at 20:50:58
Eta Beta:
> There's also W CP 4-02 (Uncle Scrooge's Generous Deed),
> 11/52, a very
> brief appearance, of the sort we call "cameo" (in fact, it's
> not recorded in Inducks yet)
It is. See http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+CP+4-02
H> As far as we know, the first non-Barks story with Gladstone
H> in WDC is in 1961 (WDC 247)!
> But there's a Bradbury one in W DD 28-04
Yes, but that's not WDC.
--Harry.
> There's also W CP 4-02 (Uncle Scrooge's Generous Deed),
> 11/52, a very
> brief appearance, of the sort we call "cameo" (in fact, it's
> not recorded in Inducks yet)
It is. See http://stp.ling.uu.se/cgi-bin/starback/dcml/story?W+CP+4-02
H> As far as we know, the first non-Barks story with Gladstone
H> in WDC is in 1961 (WDC 247)!
> But there's a Bradbury one in W DD 28-04
Yes, but that's not WDC.
--Harry.
Fluks, H.W.
Recent Dutch and French comics
Message 143 -
2000-05-24 at 21:15:37
I bought myself the following new issues as a birthday present 8-):
DONALD DUCK ALS STIJVE HARK (Dutch Barks album #103).
Reprints two Scrooge stories: the petrifying ray (US 8) and the rug story
from US 50.
In a short article, they explain that some pages were taken out of the Ray
story, some of which was restored in this album. They fail to mention that
the Rug story was also cut down (though for a different reason).
Beautiful (yes, Duco 8-) cover by Daan Jippes. They also print Jippes'
covers of OD.23 and Gladstone's US 222 inside.
STRIPSCHRIFT 326 (Dutch comics fanzine).
Has a new Duck cover by Frank Madsen and Freddy Milton, and an article about
Milton (by Pieter van Cleef). Also a Milton non-Disney comic story.
Van Cleef shows two versions of Milton's "Big Sneeze" story: the Woody
Woodpecker one and the Gnuff Family one. They fail to mention that Milton
did three more versions of that same story: 2 Duck versions and a Kalle
Klodrik one!
(As far as I know, this story still holds the record of most often redrawn
story.)
PICSOU MAGAZINE 340 (French Uncle Scrooge comic).
I actually laughed when I saw the Don Rosa pin-up in this issue. This time
it not only illustrates two of the Barks stories in this issue, but it also
has a creative solution to the problem "How to combine the Genghiz Khan
story and the Mines of Solomon story in one illustration?".
I also liked Don's new story "? l'attaque!!!" (or, in English,
"Attaaaaaack!" - note the right amount of a's).
**SPOILER**
It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Ars?ne Lupin. I like that
character. Maybe because he has an entirely new reason for attacking
Scrooge's money bin. Barks already created characters for most of the
reasons one can think of, but this one is really new.
It was a bit of a disappointment though, that Lupin played only a minor role
in this story. I would have liked to see his "coup ing?nieux".
Also quite unusal that only the front of the money bin was demolished, plus
half of Duckburg, but not the entire bin. 8-)
**END OF SPOILER**
I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
--Harry.
DONALD DUCK ALS STIJVE HARK (Dutch Barks album #103).
Reprints two Scrooge stories: the petrifying ray (US 8) and the rug story
from US 50.
In a short article, they explain that some pages were taken out of the Ray
story, some of which was restored in this album. They fail to mention that
the Rug story was also cut down (though for a different reason).
Beautiful (yes, Duco 8-) cover by Daan Jippes. They also print Jippes'
covers of OD.23 and Gladstone's US 222 inside.
STRIPSCHRIFT 326 (Dutch comics fanzine).
Has a new Duck cover by Frank Madsen and Freddy Milton, and an article about
Milton (by Pieter van Cleef). Also a Milton non-Disney comic story.
Van Cleef shows two versions of Milton's "Big Sneeze" story: the Woody
Woodpecker one and the Gnuff Family one. They fail to mention that Milton
did three more versions of that same story: 2 Duck versions and a Kalle
Klodrik one!
(As far as I know, this story still holds the record of most often redrawn
story.)
PICSOU MAGAZINE 340 (French Uncle Scrooge comic).
I actually laughed when I saw the Don Rosa pin-up in this issue. This time
it not only illustrates two of the Barks stories in this issue, but it also
has a creative solution to the problem "How to combine the Genghiz Khan
story and the Mines of Solomon story in one illustration?".
I also liked Don's new story "? l'attaque!!!" (or, in English,
"Attaaaaaack!" - note the right amount of a's).
**SPOILER**
It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Ars?ne Lupin. I like that
character. Maybe because he has an entirely new reason for attacking
Scrooge's money bin. Barks already created characters for most of the
reasons one can think of, but this one is really new.
It was a bit of a disappointment though, that Lupin played only a minor role
in this story. I would have liked to see his "coup ing?nieux".
Also quite unusal that only the front of the money bin was demolished, plus
half of Duckburg, but not the entire bin. 8-)
**END OF SPOILER**
I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
--Harry.
Vidar Svendsen
To Rob Klein
Message 144 -
2000-05-24 at 22:49:20
I've tried contacting you, but it seems your email-adress
doesn't work.
----------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/
"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."
doesn't work.
----------------------------------------------------
Vidar Svendsen http://members.home.com/vsvendsen/
"Nothing travels faster than the speed of light
with the possible exception of bad news,
which obeys its own special laws."
Erik Horthe
Marco Rota
Message 145 -
2000-05-25 at 10:32:56
Harry commented the Marco Rota-article on Internet some days ago:
<Interesting detail: they obviously used our Inducks database for their Rota
<index. Even a Dutch title for one of Rota's glue stories ("Wat vooraf ging")
<made it into their index. No acknowledgements to Inducks, though. It's all
"copyright <Disney"...
And Stefan said:
< Is really the Norwegian part enough complete for this? They say that it is
<not complete ("Indekset er ikke komplett!"), but isn't some information too
<old to be in Inducks yet? BTW, why don't they use the Swedish/Danish
titles for the <following ones? Seems quite odd to me!
I am responsible for the article, and the index was made from one Vidar
Svendsen made, after aksing him if it was Ok. The article was sent to
Egmont one year ago, so naturally the index could not be complete when it
was published on Internet. The Swedish/Danish titles were put there as
information for the translators in those countries, and should not have
been published. Sorry for this, but it was out of my hands.
Erik Horthe
<Interesting detail: they obviously used our Inducks database for their Rota
<index. Even a Dutch title for one of Rota's glue stories ("Wat vooraf ging")
<made it into their index. No acknowledgements to Inducks, though. It's all
"copyright <Disney"...
And Stefan said:
< Is really the Norwegian part enough complete for this? They say that it is
<not complete ("Indekset er ikke komplett!"), but isn't some information too
<old to be in Inducks yet? BTW, why don't they use the Swedish/Danish
titles for the <following ones? Seems quite odd to me!
I am responsible for the article, and the index was made from one Vidar
Svendsen made, after aksing him if it was Ok. The article was sent to
Egmont one year ago, so naturally the index could not be complete when it
was published on Internet. The Swedish/Danish titles were put there as
information for the translators in those countries, and should not have
been published. Sorry for this, but it was out of my hands.
Erik Horthe
Bror.Hellman
Brother Scrooge and Sister Grandma, a workaround?
Message 146 -
2000-05-25 at 11:33:55
> > Still, I find it a pity that there's no European comic using
> > the English language. Is the market really to[o]
> > small for that?
> How many European (non-British) children like to read their
> comics in the English language?
Actually.. I have had thoughts in that direction myself...
Not for the average kids... that would only sell in England,
english speaking countries and perhaps to English schools
around Europe...
No, I have long longed for a more "mature" Disney comic
for Donaldists (i.e. fans like us) and in that perspective
I presume just Sweden is not anough of a market, but a
pan-european Disney comic in English would perhaps find
enouch readers to bear itself... especially if Egmont,
or some other large publisher would sell it across the
continent...
Well... I suppose it's only a dream... But I really truly
feels that such a magazine would sell worldwide and perhaps
not be the largest and most commercially successfull, but I
think it at least can bear it's own costs in a year or two.
I suppose there are so many snags.. Like Disney Comic licensing
in some countries... There propably isn't any publisher who
can publish a Disney comic in every country without offending
the regular Disney rights-holder of some country or another...
*sigh*
Well.. somewhere deep within.. I have a hope that my dream
can be realized... and that perhaps there are enough fans
out there to make it come through... Because be assured...
This kind of project will come from fans and not a company...
So if anyone meets with the Egmont owners some day by coincidence,
just tell them about my dream and say them that I immediately seek
emplyment as their editor for that magazine.. :-)
Steamboat Willie
> > the English language. Is the market really to[o]
> > small for that?
> How many European (non-British) children like to read their
> comics in the English language?
Actually.. I have had thoughts in that direction myself...
Not for the average kids... that would only sell in England,
english speaking countries and perhaps to English schools
around Europe...
No, I have long longed for a more "mature" Disney comic
for Donaldists (i.e. fans like us) and in that perspective
I presume just Sweden is not anough of a market, but a
pan-european Disney comic in English would perhaps find
enouch readers to bear itself... especially if Egmont,
or some other large publisher would sell it across the
continent...
Well... I suppose it's only a dream... But I really truly
feels that such a magazine would sell worldwide and perhaps
not be the largest and most commercially successfull, but I
think it at least can bear it's own costs in a year or two.
I suppose there are so many snags.. Like Disney Comic licensing
in some countries... There propably isn't any publisher who
can publish a Disney comic in every country without offending
the regular Disney rights-holder of some country or another...
*sigh*
Well.. somewhere deep within.. I have a hope that my dream
can be realized... and that perhaps there are enough fans
out there to make it come through... Because be assured...
This kind of project will come from fans and not a company...
So if anyone meets with the Egmont owners some day by coincidence,
just tell them about my dream and say them that I immediately seek
emplyment as their editor for that magazine.. :-)
Steamboat Willie
Fluks, H.W.
Brother Scrooge and Sister Grandma, a workaround?
Message 147 -
2000-05-25 at 12:10:59
Daniel:
> > BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge
> > is Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...
> Maybe a workaround could be that they only *look* at each
> other as being sister and brother?
That does not explain the text in the caption where it is stated that
Scrooge *is* Grandma's brother.
> I like the gold coloured money because I find it visually
> more attractive.
> For me, the gold colour emphasizes Scrooge's wealth.
I never looked at it that way. Interesting. That may have been the reason
for a colourist in the 40s to come up with yellow coins.
> > The money is called "Gulden" and Scrooge has a big "f" sign
> > on his bin.
I just wondered (again) what the editors will do when the gulden is replaced
by the euro.
(Last time I wrote about this, a Scandinavian sceptic wrote "that will never
happen" - which shows the big gaps between various European countries, even
today...)
> Still, I find it a pity that there's no European comic using
> the English language. Is the market really to[o]
> small for that?
How many European (non-British) children like to read their comics in the
English language?
--Harry.
> > BTW, talking about traditions: in this week's Dutch weekly, Scrooge
> > is Grandma's brother again. Now that *is* confusing...
> Maybe a workaround could be that they only *look* at each
> other as being sister and brother?
That does not explain the text in the caption where it is stated that
Scrooge *is* Grandma's brother.
> I like the gold coloured money because I find it visually
> more attractive.
> For me, the gold colour emphasizes Scrooge's wealth.
I never looked at it that way. Interesting. That may have been the reason
for a colourist in the 40s to come up with yellow coins.
> > The money is called "Gulden" and Scrooge has a big "f" sign
> > on his bin.
I just wondered (again) what the editors will do when the gulden is replaced
by the euro.
(Last time I wrote about this, a Scandinavian sceptic wrote "that will never
happen" - which shows the big gaps between various European countries, even
today...)
> Still, I find it a pity that there's no European comic using
> the English language. Is the market really to[o]
> small for that?
How many European (non-British) children like to read their comics in the
English language?
--Harry.
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML digest, Vol 1 #158 - 13 msgs
Message 148 -
2000-05-25 at 13:48:03
HARRY:
> It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Ars?ne Lupin.
Wasn't it actually some anagram of that name?
Anyway, I wonder how the French treated his, um, idiomatic speech.
Did they call him Ars In Loopin, and have him speak with an American
accent?
> I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
Start reprinting them?
> How many European (non-British) children like to read their comics in the
> English language?
I don't know if at 40 years old I still count as a child, but I'm a bit
schizophrenic on this subject. For comics like Asterix, I prefer to read
them in the original French, rather than my own language or English.
For Disney comics, for the most part I prefer to read them in English,
but for Italian Disney comics reading them in English somehow feels
wrong, and I prefer the Greek translations. I don't know if this is
because Italians are much closer to Greeks than to Americans, and thus
Italian scripts translate better into Greek than into English, or that
there simply haven't been enough Italian stories translated into English
to permit drawing any conclusions. Come to think of it, it can't be the
former, as I have no problem with the French translations of Italian
stories in Mickey Parade (other than having to struggle through them
beacuse of my poor French).
DANIEL:
> I don't know what is usual in other countries, but here in The Netherlands
> children sometimes say "aunt" or "uncle" to friends of their parents.
Over here we do this for older people to whom you know you are somehow
related, but aren't sure exactly how. Thus, some of my cousins' children
call me "uncle", even though it was my mother who was really their aunt.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"All's fair in politics and mathematics!"
-----
> It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Ars?ne Lupin.
Wasn't it actually some anagram of that name?
Anyway, I wonder how the French treated his, um, idiomatic speech.
Did they call him Ars In Loopin, and have him speak with an American
accent?
> I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
Start reprinting them?
> How many European (non-British) children like to read their comics in the
> English language?
I don't know if at 40 years old I still count as a child, but I'm a bit
schizophrenic on this subject. For comics like Asterix, I prefer to read
them in the original French, rather than my own language or English.
For Disney comics, for the most part I prefer to read them in English,
but for Italian Disney comics reading them in English somehow feels
wrong, and I prefer the Greek translations. I don't know if this is
because Italians are much closer to Greeks than to Americans, and thus
Italian scripts translate better into Greek than into English, or that
there simply haven't been enough Italian stories translated into English
to permit drawing any conclusions. Come to think of it, it can't be the
former, as I have no problem with the French translations of Italian
stories in Mickey Parade (other than having to struggle through them
beacuse of my poor French).
DANIEL:
> I don't know what is usual in other countries, but here in The Netherlands
> children sometimes say "aunt" or "uncle" to friends of their parents.
Over here we do this for older people to whom you know you are somehow
related, but aren't sure exactly how. Thus, some of my cousins' children
call me "uncle", even though it was my mother who was really their aunt.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"All's fair in politics and mathematics!"
-----
Fluks, H.W.
Arsen
Message 149 -
2000-05-25 at 15:34:03
Kriton:
**SPOILER**
> > It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Arsene Lupin.
> Wasn't it actually some anagram of that name?
I don't recall his exact name. The French called him differently, I think,
but I don't recall that name either.
And the French he spoke didn't look special French to me.
**END OF SPOILER**
> > I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
> Start reprinting them?
Re-reprinting them after only a few years (Picsou is running LOTS of Barks
stories in one issue!)? That sounds like what Gladstone would do. I'm not
used to that in Holland - here they almost apologise for reprinting a Barks
story that had last seen print in 1983.
> For Disney comics, for the most part I prefer to read them in English,
> but for Italian Disney comics reading them in English somehow feels
> wrong, and I prefer the Greek translations. I don't know if this is
> because Italians are much closer to Greeks than to Americans
But aren't most of the Americans of Italian and/or Greek origin? 8-)
--Harry.
(Last monday called "Ome Harry" [Uncle Harry], by a child of a colleague -
it makes me feel *old*...)
**SPOILER**
> > It was a pleasant surprise to see the return of Arsene Lupin.
> Wasn't it actually some anagram of that name?
I don't recall his exact name. The French called him differently, I think,
but I don't recall that name either.
And the French he spoke didn't look special French to me.
**END OF SPOILER**
> > I wonder what Picsou will do when they ran out of Barks stories?
> Start reprinting them?
Re-reprinting them after only a few years (Picsou is running LOTS of Barks
stories in one issue!)? That sounds like what Gladstone would do. I'm not
used to that in Holland - here they almost apologise for reprinting a Barks
story that had last seen print in 1983.
> For Disney comics, for the most part I prefer to read them in English,
> but for Italian Disney comics reading them in English somehow feels
> wrong, and I prefer the Greek translations. I don't know if this is
> because Italians are much closer to Greeks than to Americans
But aren't most of the Americans of Italian and/or Greek origin? 8-)
--Harry.
(Last monday called "Ome Harry" [Uncle Harry], by a child of a colleague -
it makes me feel *old*...)
Luca Boschi
R: Marco Rota
Message 150 -
2000-05-25 at 16:21:31
Hi, Erik, and all!
Maybe I missed something...
How we can read your the Marco Rota-article on Internet?
I just wrote one on him, about his beginning of Duck career, now published
in the monthly "Zio Paperone";
Can you tell me (us) the newsgroup address with your article?
Is it in English?
Thanks,
Luca
Maybe I missed something...
How we can read your the Marco Rota-article on Internet?
I just wrote one on him, about his beginning of Duck career, now published
in the monthly "Zio Paperone";
Can you tell me (us) the newsgroup address with your article?
Is it in English?
Thanks,
Luca