Keskustelujen arkisto

hi

there is a question for italian indexers

I've found a reprint of YM 014" Mickey mouse sails for treasury island"

The story is reprinted on " Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney", inducks
code I GSW, and it is neither indexed nor listed amongst the "to be
indexed" ones on Paolo Castagno's website.

The editor claims that " Le Grandi Storie di Walt Disney" are printed on
special paper in limited edition, and numbered
My copy is numbered and issued on April 1989, cover price is 17500
italian lires, a note on the back says "seconda edizione, finita di stampare
nel mese di Aprile 1989 dalla Microart's "

My questions are:
What issue does it belong to?
Is that an unknown number of I GSW , or my copy is a special
supplement to another issue?

I must say that the cover looks a bit different from the "usual" lay-out of
the I GSW first three copies I own.

The price is only on the back, no specification is made on the front of the
cover about the publisher.

There is only a little rectangle in the middle of the front cover, with the
inscription "Edizione integrale a colori".

Any answer?

Alessandro Iovino

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
Sent: den 8 juli 2001 10:39
Subject: Olaf Solstrand's site

> On top of your translation at "http://home.no.net/treaa/barks.htm"
> I see a short note which I'm not able to read:
>
> Informasjonen p? denne siden er hovedsakelig hentet fra en artikkel
> av Dani?l van Eijmeren. Jeg kommer til ? skrive inn mer med tiden,
> blant annet vil jeg skrive litt om de beste historiene til Barks,
> hvor en naturligvis ikke kommer utenom "Eggemysteriet".
>
> Can you or someone else translate it for me?

Translation:

The information at this page is mostly from an article by Dani?l van
Eijmeren. I'll add more later, for example I'd like to write a little about
the best stories by Barks, which does of course include "Lost in the Andes."

Stefan

Dear friends
I returned from a trip to Holland yesterday. I will be wanting to tell
you much more about that, who I met and what I got, but I have to go on
another trip in half an hour (to visit my danish friend Thomas who runs
www.duckburg.dk). Whehn i return I will tell you more of my stay at
Duco, and my meeting with Harry Fluks. I already send the film of my
trip to development.

Don, It was interesting to hear about your canoe trip!

Yours
A. C. Sivebaek
acsive at mail.mira.dk

Hoi Daniel. The full-page Panchito strips that appeared on the back pages
of Dutch Weekly Nr. 27-52 in 1980 were originally printed as Sunday
newspaper strips in U.S.A. by King Features in 1944 and 1945. They must
have been drawn by the Disney Studios Newspaper Comics Division under
Gottfredson's behest. Perhaps one of our American Newspaper strip experts
can tell us the artist and writers' names.

I remember the story about Jose, Panchito and Donald and Donald ending in
jail, but, unfortunately I am not with my comic books now and cannot look
it up. I'm sure that Harry F. will be able to enlighten us (surely it must
be listed in INDUCKS).

You have a good grasp of the character of Jose Carioca that appeared in the
short Dutch stories. This gigalo/ne'er-de-wel "fancy bum" character
seems to be taken from his classical characteristics that the Brasilians
gave him in their expansion of his character which was naturally needed
when they began to produce large numbers of stories with him. Perhaps some
of the editors at Oberon had seen some of the Brasilian stories in the late
1970s that inspired the renaissance of Jose C. (new Dutch production) in
the Dutch Weekly, and the printing of the Panchito strips. Harry, can you
help us on this question?

Tot ziens, Rob Klein

Oops! I forgot to add this information regarding the Dutch Jose Carioca
production: In the 1980s, Wilma van den Bosch did most of the story
writing, along with much from Ruud Straatman. Jose Colomer Fonts "Colomer"
did all the story final artwork. In the 1990s, Ruud Straatman continued
writing, Wilma van den Bosch produced a few stories; but (our friend) Frank
Jonker wrote the greater portion of them. Colomer drew most of them in the
early to mid 1990s. Mau and Bas Heymans have also drawn several during the
latter period. Covers using the "Brasilian characters" were drawn by Daan
Jippes, and Michel Nadorp, while several Brasilian cover drawings were
reprinted. Several short Brasilian stories were also reprinted.
Harry-anything you can add? - (of ben je met vacantie?)

Rob Klein

To Steve Rowe: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And the best way to look at art. It is possible to love a story but not be as enthralled by the same person's artwork. I would love to be able to justify purchasing lithographs of Carl Bark's paintings rather than something else I need more. I love his use of light to add dimension. It gives the paintings a warm feeling. However, Don has his own art style and he has his own unique tastes of what he likes.

Since love of Duck stories unites us all and is the main reason most of us are on this website we should be able to discuss the reasons we like the ducks or certain stories without considering every aspect of Duckburg or someone's art or someone's story as sacred. Everyone on this list has something to offer and valid opinions. We are also love words and use of words, clever turns of phrases such as those used by Carl Barks.

Because of our love of words and the many languages that are our own it is good to be extra careful when reading someone's opinion not to attribute more to someone's statement than was indicated. For example if I stated I like all of the art by Carl Barks more than any other artist is does not mean I do not like art by other artist. I love art by other artists, too many to even list. If Don Rosa starts doing paintings I would want to purchase them just as much as I would want to purchase Carl Barks paintings.

We all have a tendency to be loyal to one or more artists and often discuss the reasons why. Those reasons are why this list exists. Sometimes when something someone has written on this list has bothered me I wait and see what the following discussion is. Often I find I read something into a statement that was not intended it. One of the many reasons I do not post often is that if I wait a while someone who knows more or has more information will respond, but another reason is to see what develops from discussion.

However I often subscribe to the theory that a closed mouth gathers no feet. I don't know if I recommend that for most people, but it does work well when discussions get heated.

Best to all,

Kathy

DAVID GERSTEIN to me, 08-07-2001:

Hi David!

>> Before 1982, possibly somewhere between 1977 and 1981, the Dutch
>> weekly reprinted a short Donald Duck story in which Joe Carioca
>> and Panchito visited him. [...] Donald ends up in jail [snip]

> This story is W WDC 50-06, drawn by Carl Buettner.

Of this issue, Barks' tenpager (about Donald's rare dime) was
submitted on June 22, 1944. The issue's cover date is November 1944.
The Caballeros story ends with Donald in jail.

"The Firebug" (OS 108) was submitted on July 19, 1945 and published
in 1946. It ended with Donald in jail, but it was changed into a
dream ending by the editor.
Barks has said that the new ending would have been done by one of the
staff artists, either Carl Buettner(!) or Tom McKimson.

If Barks' dime story of WDC 50 is more or less representable for the
submission date of the Caballeros jail story, then I'm wondering if
there could have been a change of policy at Western between June 1944
and July 1945.

Have there been other stories with Disney characters ending up in jail
around this time? (Before and after WDC 50?)

I'm wondering if there could have been complaints from readers about
the Caballeros jail ending, resulting in the removal of Barks' jail
ending one year later.

Or was Western's objection to Barks' story that Donald was put
into jail by being *guilty* of burning down the courthouse?
(In the Caballeros story, Donald is innocent.)

> It's a depressing story, IMHO, as Jose and Panchito are shown as
> noisy Hispanic country bumpkins who don't even seem to understand
> the modern (i. e. 1944 American) world. Heavily influenced by
> stereotype; not really the way I like to see Jose or Panchito...

I read this story as a kid and I found Jose and Panchito very annoying,
even more because the well-behaving Donald gets all the blame.
Still, also because of the jail ending, I find this story very
interesting. It was one of my first Disney stories and apparently
those stories are always the best, no matter the quality. :-)

Nowadays I also find this story very interesting *because* of the
stereotypes, because it shows how such matters have been handled
through the years.

I remember that you once mentioned some 1940s Brer Rabbit stories
in which the dialect was removed before publication, something which
(as you pointed out here on 9 July 1997) also happened with Barks'
"Lost in the Andes" (OS 223). This story was submitted on
October 21, 1948, and published in (April) 1949.

Could Western's policy on stereotypes have been a matter of "try
and error" in (at least) the 1940s? Could the Caballeros story
of WDC 50 have been a case of going way too far, even at that time?

BTW. As far as I know, the Caballeros were created to built a market
for Disney in South-America. So, I guess that this story must
have got at least some attention because of it's stereotypical
treatment of Jose and Panchito. Or is the Caballeros movie
itself also stereotypical in a similar way?

Is there a difference in Western's handling of stereotypes and jails
before and after the publication of the Caballeros jail story?
For example, if Barks would have submitted "The Firebug" as story
for WDC 49, would it have been accepted without any problems?
Or was it Donald being guilty of burning down the courthouse enough
reason for Western's objection, without thinking of the Caballeros story?

>> The Dutch Panchito stories might be based on a series of one page gags
>> published on the back of Dutch weeklies in about 1980. I believe these
>> one pagers had a foreign origin. Maybe they came from America?

> They did. These are the Panchito Silly Symphony Sunday strips from
> mid-1940s. Pretty good strips they are, too, IMHO.

Last year, a Panchito two-pager (H 20047) written by Frank Jonker was
published in Dutch weekly 2000-26. It's about people getting insane by
their attempts to decipher a mysterious message in a cave. I found this
story very funny. If you have access to it, I recommend you to read it.

- Daniel

I agree with all of the comments on Heinlein's stories. Basically he wrote
for a younger audience originally and may have thought (the way things were
in the 60's and early 70's) that he was still writing to a younger audience.

That is why I like all of his early works since that is the level of
entertainment I like (that for children at least children of yesterday). I
can verify also that as in "Door in to Summer" that if it is raining when
you open the door for a cat, or too cold, they will usually go to another
door in your house to find out if the weather is better at that door. In a
way it is logical, I once experience a near line between where it was
raining in our yard, and where it was sunny, due to a small cloud the rain
was coming from.

-Kathy