I think sci fi works better for some Disney characters than others. For
example a lot of what Gyro Gearloose does is actually sci fi. But in the
world of Duckburg it seems very logical since he is after all an inventor
and a scientific inventor at that as well as a chemist.
Mickey did well in the world of tomorrow (can't think of exact title at
this time so did not capitalize it). Mickey and Pete seem right at home in
any setting. Stories such as "Island in the Sky" and Mickey, Mouse Mail
Pilot (again not sure of title) involved sci fi for the day but were based
somewhat on the possibilites actual inventions of the time. Yet even when a
little sci fi is involved the stories seem logical as written at least the
older stories. The themes of many of the stories are as old as time and
could also have in many cases been done without space ship and things. The
Ducks often bump into "lost" civilizations that seem alien, here on their
earth as well as on other planets.
Kathy
Author
Topic: 200107
(186 messages)
Kathy Fitzpatrick
SciFi in Duck stories
Message 46 -
2001-07-08 at 22:50:55
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Things you don't see in Disney comics
Message 47 -
2001-07-08 at 22:58:19
ARI SEPPI to ODD BJARNE, 21-06-2001:
> In "King Scrooge the First" W US 71-01 (story by Barks) 4000-year-old
> magician kills himself by taking antidote to immortality powder.
What about animals being killed? These Barks stories are from memory:
In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the
water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not
shown getting out of the water.
In "Darkest Africa" (MOC 20), an alligator is poisoned. The Dutch
publication suggests that the alligator is asleep, but as far as
I remember the original clearly suggests that the alligator is death.
In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is
killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it
was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?)
reprints because of being a rare one.
In "Only A Poor Old man" (OS 386), a mouse getting caught by a
mouse-trap is shown, and Uncle Scrooge shoots some insects.
In "Froggy Farmer" (WDC 236) Donald is hunting for frogs to sell them
for consumption, but as far as I remember, no frogs get killed.
BTW. In some stories Barks' showed too many fish (or one very big fish)
in a small bowl. I don't remember where I read it, but I remember
that Barks got at least one complaint about it: from his wife Gare.
She thought that children might feel tempted to do the same with
real fish. Personally I don't find this a strange thought, because
people *do* have a habit of putting a bird in a small cage or putting
a fish in a small bowl.
- Daniel
> In "King Scrooge the First" W US 71-01 (story by Barks) 4000-year-old
> magician kills himself by taking antidote to immortality powder.
What about animals being killed? These Barks stories are from memory:
In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the
water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not
shown getting out of the water.
In "Darkest Africa" (MOC 20), an alligator is poisoned. The Dutch
publication suggests that the alligator is asleep, but as far as
I remember the original clearly suggests that the alligator is death.
In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is
killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it
was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?)
reprints because of being a rare one.
In "Only A Poor Old man" (OS 386), a mouse getting caught by a
mouse-trap is shown, and Uncle Scrooge shoots some insects.
In "Froggy Farmer" (WDC 236) Donald is hunting for frogs to sell them
for consumption, but as far as I remember, no frogs get killed.
BTW. In some stories Barks' showed too many fish (or one very big fish)
in a small bowl. I don't remember where I read it, but I remember
that Barks got at least one complaint about it: from his wife Gare.
She thought that children might feel tempted to do the same with
real fish. Personally I don't find this a strange thought, because
people *do* have a habit of putting a bird in a small cage or putting
a fish in a small bowl.
- Daniel
Daniel Van Eijmeren
Olaf Solstrand's site
Message 48 -
2001-07-08 at 23:14:36
OLAF SOLSTRAND to me, 08-07-2001:
> Here comes the translation: [...]
Takk! (Thanks!)
> [biography] I hope you don't mind me using your stuff this way!
> (you have all rights to sue me, actually)
**evil grin** I didn't think about that possibility,
but now that you mention it...
Maybe we can settle this outside of court? Just sent me your entire
comic book collection and we won't speak about it again. Okay? :-)
- Daniel
PS. No, I don't mind that you use that biography. I fact, I feel very
complimented that you found it worthwhile enough to translate it.
> Here comes the translation: [...]
Takk! (Thanks!)
> [biography] I hope you don't mind me using your stuff this way!
> (you have all rights to sue me, actually)
**evil grin** I didn't think about that possibility,
but now that you mention it...
Maybe we can settle this outside of court? Just sent me your entire
comic book collection and we won't speak about it again. Okay? :-)
- Daniel
PS. No, I don't mind that you use that biography. I fact, I feel very
complimented that you found it worthwhile enough to translate it.
Francois Willot
Jail stories
Message 49 -
2001-07-08 at 23:21:58
>Have there been other stories with Disney characters
ending up in jail
>around this time? (Before and after WDC 50?)
WDC 62
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Correction (Things you don't see in Disney comics)
Message 50 -
2001-07-08 at 23:37:48
In my message "Re: Things you don't see in Disney comics", included in
the previous digest, I wrote:
> In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
> with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the
> water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not
> shown getting out of the water.
There's a word missing, in this correction I've emphasized it by
using capitals:
In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
with his horse. The horse sinks down and DONALD manages to get out of
the water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is
not shown getting out of the water.
- Daniel
the previous digest, I wrote:
> In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
> with his horse. The horse sinks down and manages to get out of the
> water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is not
> shown getting out of the water.
There's a word missing, in this correction I've emphasized it by
using capitals:
In the Curthbert Coot ranch story (WDC 55), Donald falls into a lake
with his horse. The horse sinks down and DONALD manages to get out of
the water by cutting the rope that is tied to the horse. The horse is
not shown getting out of the water.
- Daniel
Rob Klein
Donald in Jail
Message 51 -
2001-07-09 at 06:53:50
Answer to Daniel's question over Donald ending a story in jail: In USA WDC
& S Nr. 62, Nov. 1945 (Waterski Race) Donald has caused calamaties which
bother the Race Judge (this implies he was an actual court judge as well).
Donald ends up in a brick building with metal bars on the window. It looks
like a jail or prison. A sign in front says "durance vile" (old fashioned
English form of unpleasant endurance - meaning imprisonment or
confinement). Is this a phrase formerly (or currently) used by judges in
USA or The British Commonwealth of Nations in sentencing defendents found
guilty? I have never attended a court proceeding in USA. I have seen the
sentencing of O.J. Simpson on TV. But he was found not guilty. I have
attended several court proceedings in Canada, but they were civil, not
criminal cases. I have seen hundreds of old American, British, Canadian and
Australian
films (mostly from the late 1920s, 30s, 40s and 50s; many of which
portrayed judges sentencing defendents. I cannot remember any judge
saying: "You are sentenced to DURANCE VILE for the remainder of your
natural life!" Perhaps one of our members can enlighten us here.
This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after
1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will
include information from his interview with former Western Publishing
editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the
Disney/Western policy on this subject.
Rob klein
& S Nr. 62, Nov. 1945 (Waterski Race) Donald has caused calamaties which
bother the Race Judge (this implies he was an actual court judge as well).
Donald ends up in a brick building with metal bars on the window. It looks
like a jail or prison. A sign in front says "durance vile" (old fashioned
English form of unpleasant endurance - meaning imprisonment or
confinement). Is this a phrase formerly (or currently) used by judges in
USA or The British Commonwealth of Nations in sentencing defendents found
guilty? I have never attended a court proceeding in USA. I have seen the
sentencing of O.J. Simpson on TV. But he was found not guilty. I have
attended several court proceedings in Canada, but they were civil, not
criminal cases. I have seen hundreds of old American, British, Canadian and
Australian
films (mostly from the late 1920s, 30s, 40s and 50s; many of which
portrayed judges sentencing defendents. I cannot remember any judge
saying: "You are sentenced to DURANCE VILE for the remainder of your
natural life!" Perhaps one of our members can enlighten us here.
This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after
1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will
include information from his interview with former Western Publishing
editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the
Disney/Western policy on this subject.
Rob klein
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
MIKY MAOUS & KLASIKA
Message 52 -
2001-07-09 at 10:20:08
I mailed this posting a week ago, but I don't think it ever appeared in a
Digest since then; so, here's another copy:
> Fellow Quackeroos:
>
> Here's your weekly edition of your Greek e-kiosk:
>
> 1) MIKY MAOUS #1823, June 22 2001
> a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: i dodici nomi", from "Topolino"
> #1780, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Massimo De Vita.
> b) The Beagle Boys in "L' innamoramento intere$$ato", from "Topolino"
#2232,
> 1998 (18 pages). Script: Stefano Petruccelli; Art: Marco Gervasio.
> c) Uncle Scrooge in "The Neuvaux Riche Beggar", S-75080 (12 pages).
Script:
> the Disney Studio; Art: Tony Strobl.
> d) Lil' Bad Wolf in "The Bean Soup", D-2432 (7 pages). Creators unknown.
>
>
> 2) KLASIKA #167, June-July 2001
> a) Uncle Scrooge in "Il 'metodo' di Zio Paperone", from "Topolino" #1069,
> 1976 (30 pages). Script: Alfredo Castelli, Art: Massimo De Vita.
> (note: This story is a clear tribute to Barks' masterpiece "Only a Poor
Old
> Man". Some of the panels in the opening pages of the story are reproduced
> faithfully from the original story--it's certainly worth taking a look at
> it).
> b) Mickey Mouse in "Il Piranka Kuka Baruka", from "Topolino" #617-618 (67
> pages in two parts). Script: Guido Martina; Art: Sergio Asteriti.
> c) Goofy in "L' Emiro del Camelistan", from "Topolino" #1089, 1976 (40
> pages). Script: Anne-Marie Dester; Art: Giancarlo Gatti.
> d) Donald Duck in "Hero of the Day" (10 pages). Story code and creators
> unknown.
>
> ''til next week,
>
> Archontis
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----------
> Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
> Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
> The American College of Thessaloniki
> Thessaloniki, GREECE
> tel.: +30 31 398 228
>
>
Digest since then; so, here's another copy:
> Fellow Quackeroos:
>
> Here's your weekly edition of your Greek e-kiosk:
>
> 1) MIKY MAOUS #1823, June 22 2001
> a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: i dodici nomi", from "Topolino"
> #1780, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Massimo De Vita.
> b) The Beagle Boys in "L' innamoramento intere$$ato", from "Topolino"
#2232,
> 1998 (18 pages). Script: Stefano Petruccelli; Art: Marco Gervasio.
> c) Uncle Scrooge in "The Neuvaux Riche Beggar", S-75080 (12 pages).
Script:
> the Disney Studio; Art: Tony Strobl.
> d) Lil' Bad Wolf in "The Bean Soup", D-2432 (7 pages). Creators unknown.
>
>
> 2) KLASIKA #167, June-July 2001
> a) Uncle Scrooge in "Il 'metodo' di Zio Paperone", from "Topolino" #1069,
> 1976 (30 pages). Script: Alfredo Castelli, Art: Massimo De Vita.
> (note: This story is a clear tribute to Barks' masterpiece "Only a Poor
Old
> Man". Some of the panels in the opening pages of the story are reproduced
> faithfully from the original story--it's certainly worth taking a look at
> it).
> b) Mickey Mouse in "Il Piranka Kuka Baruka", from "Topolino" #617-618 (67
> pages in two parts). Script: Guido Martina; Art: Sergio Asteriti.
> c) Goofy in "L' Emiro del Camelistan", from "Topolino" #1089, 1976 (40
> pages). Script: Anne-Marie Dester; Art: Giancarlo Gatti.
> d) Donald Duck in "Hero of the Day" (10 pages). Story code and creators
> unknown.
>
> ''til next week,
>
> Archontis
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----------
> Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
> Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
> The American College of Thessaloniki
> Thessaloniki, GREECE
> tel.: +30 31 398 228
>
>
DGE
Hazel the Witch
Message 53 -
2001-07-09 at 10:20:48
Hey Luca!
>"The Witch and Beelzebub, the Broom - Halloween Haunting", pages 5, it is
>the FIRST story introducing Hazel again (with her name changed, maybe
>because another Witch Hazel still existed, in the ACG comics, and one more
>even in the Harveys... Or maybe because Hazel was the name of Walt Disney
>nurse in the same period... I don't know...
>Maybe someone can help me to discover why her name was chenged.
I think I know: your Witch Hazel round-up may have left one Hazel
out.
It's the Witch Hazel of Little Lulu, who was introduced by Western
Publishing's John Stanley in 1952 (same year as Disney's Hazel)... and
*unlike* the Disney Hazel (who dropped from sight for a while), Lulu's witch
rather quickly became a continuing character and a star of her own stories.
Some time later Western Publishing bought the rights to Lulu from their
owner and creator, Marge Buell - so now Western actually owned Lulu's Witch
Hazel 100%, and stood to profit from her popularity.
It was not, I suppose, in Western's interest to promote another
Witch Hazel whose name might invivte confusion with "their own" character.
So when they reused Disney's Witch Hazel later, they got around the issue of
her name - if that was really their goal - by merely calling her "The
Witch", or by giving her pseudonyms (like Witch Wanda, as I've seen in a
mid-1960s Scrooge story).
Of course, most of this is speculation. Maybe it's a question I
should ask Chase Craig, whom I really ought to get back in touch with...
Best wishes,
David
>"The Witch and Beelzebub, the Broom - Halloween Haunting", pages 5, it is
>the FIRST story introducing Hazel again (with her name changed, maybe
>because another Witch Hazel still existed, in the ACG comics, and one more
>even in the Harveys... Or maybe because Hazel was the name of Walt Disney
>nurse in the same period... I don't know...
>Maybe someone can help me to discover why her name was chenged.
I think I know: your Witch Hazel round-up may have left one Hazel
out.
It's the Witch Hazel of Little Lulu, who was introduced by Western
Publishing's John Stanley in 1952 (same year as Disney's Hazel)... and
*unlike* the Disney Hazel (who dropped from sight for a while), Lulu's witch
rather quickly became a continuing character and a star of her own stories.
Some time later Western Publishing bought the rights to Lulu from their
owner and creator, Marge Buell - so now Western actually owned Lulu's Witch
Hazel 100%, and stood to profit from her popularity.
It was not, I suppose, in Western's interest to promote another
Witch Hazel whose name might invivte confusion with "their own" character.
So when they reused Disney's Witch Hazel later, they got around the issue of
her name - if that was really their goal - by merely calling her "The
Witch", or by giving her pseudonyms (like Witch Wanda, as I've seen in a
mid-1960s Scrooge story).
Of course, most of this is speculation. Maybe it's a question I
should ask Chase Craig, whom I really ought to get back in touch with...
Best wishes,
David
Fabio Blanco
Red dye again
Message 54 -
2001-07-09 at 10:42:20
Some messages ago Daniel Van Eijmeren said:
>In Barks' red dye story (WDC 201), Donald accidently dyes the city red.
According to my dictionary, the saying "paint the city red" means
something like: having a good time by going into the city, like going
to a disco or having a dinner in a restaurant. (In Dutch, the saying is
"de bloemetjes buiten zetten", which means "put the flowers outside".)
>
Now I am thinking in High Plains Drifter, the Clint Eastwood movie. And
dreamed the Don Rosa's version with the obligated film reference.
<G> Hey, sure that Don catches this comment... don't,Don?
Cheers!
FABIO
>In Barks' red dye story (WDC 201), Donald accidently dyes the city red.
According to my dictionary, the saying "paint the city red" means
something like: having a good time by going into the city, like going
to a disco or having a dinner in a restaurant. (In Dutch, the saying is
"de bloemetjes buiten zetten", which means "put the flowers outside".)
>
Now I am thinking in High Plains Drifter, the Clint Eastwood movie. And
dreamed the Don Rosa's version with the obligated film reference.
<G> Hey, sure that Don catches this comment... don't,Don?
Cheers!
FABIO
Fabio Blanco
Donald's 313 car
Message 55 -
2001-07-09 at 10:42:27
Are'nt a Bark's picture about Donald coming to an auto exposition and
mention the name of the car? Something with "b"
Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair?
Fabio Blanco
*****************
longtom at oeste.com.ar
> > The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> > "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> > Opel Kadett.
>
>Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
I guess all those references to the parts of Donald's car are puns.
Halsten
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mention the name of the car? Something with "b"
Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair?
Fabio Blanco
*****************
longtom at oeste.com.ar
> > The engine however is not a "1920 Mixwell engine" as described in
> > "Volcano Valley", but rather a more well known engine from an
> > Opel Kadett.
>
>Is "1920 Mixwell engine" a reference to a real existant engine?
I guess all those references to the parts of Donald's car are puns.
Halsten
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Dr. Archontis Pantsios
MIKY MAOUS & ALMANAKO
Message 56 -
2001-07-09 at 10:51:57
Fellow Quackeroos:
Here's your Greek e-kiosk once again:
1) MIKY MAOUS #1824, June 29, 2001
a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: la valle degli scorpioni", (Part
2), from "Topolino" #1781, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art:
Massimo De Vita.
b) "L' altra faccia di Gambadilegno", from "Topolino" #2233, 1998, (27
pages). Script: Fabio Michelini; Art: Roberto Vian.
c) "Paperino e le situazioni disperate: l' estrazione", from "Topolino"
#2195, 1997 (7 pages). Script: Rudy Salvagnini; Art: Claudia Forcelloni.
d) Chip & Dale in "The Terrifying Guards", W. C&D #68. Creators unknown.
2) ALMANAKO #125, July 2001
a) Paperinik in "L' attacco di Archi-X", from "Topolino" #1909, 1992 (32
pages). Script: Nino Russo; Art: Comicup Studio
b) Indiana Goofy in "La scomparsa delle negritas", from "Topolino" #2319,
2000. Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Nicola Tosolini.
'til next week,
Archontis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, GREECE
tel.: +30 31 398 228
Here's your Greek e-kiosk once again:
1) MIKY MAOUS #1824, June 29, 2001
a) "Alla ricerca della pietra zodiacale: la valle degli scorpioni", (Part
2), from "Topolino" #1781, 1990 (28 pages). Script: Bruno Sarda; Art:
Massimo De Vita.
b) "L' altra faccia di Gambadilegno", from "Topolino" #2233, 1998, (27
pages). Script: Fabio Michelini; Art: Roberto Vian.
c) "Paperino e le situazioni disperate: l' estrazione", from "Topolino"
#2195, 1997 (7 pages). Script: Rudy Salvagnini; Art: Claudia Forcelloni.
d) Chip & Dale in "The Terrifying Guards", W. C&D #68. Creators unknown.
2) ALMANAKO #125, July 2001
a) Paperinik in "L' attacco di Archi-X", from "Topolino" #1909, 1992 (32
pages). Script: Nino Russo; Art: Comicup Studio
b) Indiana Goofy in "La scomparsa delle negritas", from "Topolino" #2319,
2000. Script: Bruno Sarda; Art: Nicola Tosolini.
'til next week,
Archontis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
Archontis L. Pantsios, Ph.D.
Assistant Academic Dean & Associate Professor of Economics
The American College of Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki, GREECE
tel.: +30 31 398 228
Fluks, H.W.
Luxemburg
Message 57 -
2001-07-09 at 12:17:25
Don:
> >>>When exactly is that Luxemburg convention?
>
> It's on Friday-Sunday, July 13-15... next weekend.
Too bad I can't come there; it's my father's birthday on Saturday.
And my sister and I will be in Luxemburg one week later...
--Harry.
> >>>When exactly is that Luxemburg convention?
>
> It's on Friday-Sunday, July 13-15... next weekend.
Too bad I can't come there; it's my father's birthday on Saturday.
And my sister and I will be in Luxemburg one week later...
--Harry.
Luca Boschi
R: Donald in Jail
Message 58 -
2001-07-09 at 13:36:59
Hi, Rob and all!
> This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after
> 1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will
> include information from his interview with former Western Publishing
> editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the
> Disney/Western policy on this subject.
I look forward it!
Indeed, you know, Donald went into a jail in a big number of stories made in
Italy, some forty years ago... I remember Pier Lorenzo De Vita, Giuseppe
Perego, Giovan Battista Carpi drawing him in this situation. And Mickey also
was in jail several times.
Bye!
Luca
> This story was before the Firebug story. I cannot remember a story after
> 1946, in which Donald ends up in jail. Perhaps Don Ault's book, which will
> include information from his interview with former Western Publishing
> editor Chase Craig, will provide a history of the changes in the
> Disney/Western policy on this subject.
I look forward it!
Indeed, you know, Donald went into a jail in a big number of stories made in
Italy, some forty years ago... I remember Pier Lorenzo De Vita, Giuseppe
Perego, Giovan Battista Carpi drawing him in this situation. And Mickey also
was in jail several times.
Bye!
Luca
Olivier
Re! Donald's 313 Car
Message 59 -
2001-07-09 at 15:16:45
Hi everyone!
Fabio:
>>Are'nt a Bark's picture about Donald coming to an auto exposition and
>>mention the name of the car? Something with "b"
>>Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair?
"A Belchfire Runabout!"
Olivier
Fabio:
>>Are'nt a Bark's picture about Donald coming to an auto exposition and
>>mention the name of the car? Something with "b"
>>Belchair? Belfchair? Belfchair?
"A Belchfire Runabout!"
Olivier
Olivier
Things you don't see in Disney comics
Message 60 -
2001-07-09 at 15:16:51
Daniel:
>>In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is
>>killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it
>>was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?)
>>reprints because of being a rare one.
Really? I didn't know.
The bird's an eagle.
Olivier
>>In the pilgrim costume turkey story (WDC 87), a bird in a tree is
>>killed and prepared for consumption. I don't remember what bird it
>>was, but I seem to remember that it was changed in later (1990s?)
>>reprints because of being a rare one.
Really? I didn't know.
The bird's an eagle.
Olivier